Terrib3Towel said:

AlexdeParis said:

It was co-written by Babyface and L.A. Reid. The subject (from Reid's POV) is Pebbles, whom he later married.

Are they still married? Pebbles was beautiful back in the day, she still is actually.

I was gonna say before my internet connection cut off on me ( ) that nah they been divorced. Forgot the date tho.

Timmy84 said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Are they still married? Pebbles was beautiful back in the day, she still is actually.

I was gonna say before my internet connection cut off on me ( ) that nah they been divorced. Forgot the date tho.

Oh ok. Now that you mention it, I think it's been talked about here before. Thanks!

Terrib3Towel said:

Timmy84 said:

I was gonna say before my internet connection cut off on me ( ) that nah they been divorced. Forgot the date tho.

Oh ok. Now that you mention it, I think it's been talked about here before. Thanks!

No prob.

Singer: 2/5

Songwriter: 4/5

Not a fan of his voice.. 2/5 - he's not terrible.

I had to look up online what songs he wrote for others, and most of my favorites were co-written with others, so as a songwriter I'll give him 4/5 - tons of really good songs, but somebody else co-wrote all of the best ones.

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Terrib3Towel said:

scriptgirl said:

Didn't he also write Every Little Step and Bobby Brown did it instead?

I thought L.A. Reid wrote that song, I could be wrong though.

They were a songwriting team then. From my understanding, Face was the main writer and LA came in and wrote a few elements.

vainandy said:

He should have stayed in The Deele and the other bandmembers shouldn't have let him do anything other than sing and play the songs that they wrote.

Dick Griffey wasn't going to let that happen. Face started writing for other acts on the SOLAR label and after the success of "Sweet November," Griffey had to let him do a solo project. Not to mention he had written "Slow Jam" for Midnight Starr and a few other songs for the label's acts.

Songs he wrote and was recorded by other artists =

Songs on his albums. = Dry as fuck.

daPrettyman said:

missfee said:

Singer:

Songwriter:

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

Hell you heard his version of "Fire & Rain", I guess his take of Bobby Womack's cover? That shit was I can't root for this guy no matter what he does. His music is just... there.

When he did that "Grown & Sexy" album, I just . It was horrible. And let's not forget that hideous video he did with the "one-hand clap" with Pharrell...damn what was that song...thinking....thinking.....had to look this shit up

Okay it was "There She Goes". That video was I don't know who the hell he was trying to be around that time, but I'm glad it only lasted with that one album.

With his "Musiq Soulchild" lookin' ass.....that was one big fail.

As a singer, 3/5, I mean he can sing better that Jamie Foxx

Songwriter, 5/5

November said:

missfee said:

When he did that "Grown & Sexy" album, I just . It was horrible. And let's not forget that hideous video he did with the "one-hand clap" with Pharrell...damn what was that song...thinking....thinking.....had to look this shit up

Okay it was "There She Goes". That video was I don't know who the hell he was trying to be around that time, but I'm glad it only lasted with that one album.

With his "Musiq Soulchild" lookin' ass.....that was one big fail.

As a singer, 3/5, I mean he can sing better that Jamie Foxx

Songwriter, 5/5

I totally get what he was trying to do with that project. Especially since the people he worked with were on the cutting edge of what was going on at the time, but the sound just didn't work for Babyface.

I did like a couple of songs on the album and "What If" was my favorite. The rest was just horrible.

November said:

missfee said:

When he did that "Grown & Sexy" album, I just . It was horrible. And let's not forget that hideous video he did with the "one-hand clap" with Pharrell...damn what was that song...thinking....thinking.....had to look this shit up

Okay it was "There She Goes". That video was I don't know who the hell he was trying to be around that time, but I'm glad it only lasted with that one album.

With his "Musiq Soulchild" lookin' ass.....that was one big fail.

As a singer, 3/5, I mean he can sing better that Jamie Foxx

Songwriter, 5/5

@ "with his 'Musiq Soulchild' lookin' ass" he did try to look like Musiq from that period goddamn!

Timmy84 said:

November said:

With his "Musiq Soulchild" lookin' ass.....that was one big fail.

As a singer, 3/5, I mean he can sing better that Jamie Foxx

Songwriter, 5/5

@ "with his 'Musiq Soulchild' lookin' ass" he did try to look like Musiq from that period goddamn!

They say he was into this "earthy" thing during that time also. I know people that interviewed him during that time and they said he was FUNKY as hell when they did the interview.

Best solo album: For The Cool in You

Favorite Face album: Tender Lover

Favorite Songs (as writer/co-writer): ''End of the Road'', ''Seven Whole Days'', "Ready or Not'', " Just My Luck'', "In The Mood", "Breathe Again", 'Backyard'', "Giving You The Benefit, "Don't Be Cruel, "Is It A Crime'', ''Water Runs Dry", "I Said I Love You'', "Whip Appeal'', ''Give You My Heart'', "When Can I See You Again'', "Never Keeping Secrets'', ''Red Dress", ''The Loneliness''.

Crowning Achievement: Waiting To Exhale soundtrack

Singing: 3 out of 5

Songwriting: 5 (during his peak years)

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Identity said:

Best solo album: For The Cool in You

Favorite Face album: Tender Lover

Favorite Songs (as writer/co-writer): ''End of the Road'', ''Seven Whole Days'', "Ready or Not'', " Just My Luck'', "In The Mood", "Breathe Again", 'Backyard'', "Giving You The Benefit, "Don't Be Cruel, "Is It A Crime'',

"I Said I Love You'', "Whip Appeal'', ''Give You My Heart'', "When Can I See You Again'', "Never Keeping Secrets''.

Crowning Achievement: Waiting To Exhale soundtrack

Singing: 3 out of 5

Songwriting: 5 (during his peak years)

He should have been nominated for an Oscar for this one.

daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:

@ "with his 'Musiq Soulchild' lookin' ass" he did try to look like Musiq from that period goddamn!

They say he was into this "earthy" thing during that time also. I know people that interviewed him during that time and they said he was FUNKY as hell when they did the interview.

I can believe it!

daPrettyman said:

Identity said:

Best solo album: For The Cool in You

Favorite Face album: Tender Lover

Favorite Songs (as writer/co-writer): ''End of the Road'', ''Seven Whole Days'', "Ready or Not'', " Just My Luck'', "In The Mood", "Breathe Again", 'Backyard'', "Giving You The Benefit, "Don't Be Cruel, "Is It A Crime'',

"I Said I Love You'', "Whip Appeal'', ''Give You My Heart'', "When Can I See You Again'', "Never Keeping Secrets''.

Crowning Achievement: Waiting To Exhale soundtrack

Singing: 3 out of 5

Songwriting: 5 (during his peak years)

He should have been nominated for an Oscar for this one.

It's amazing that he wrote so many songs for so many different artists but truly showed individuality between them in addition to making Brandy, Toni, and Mary J. stars.

Timmy84 said:

November said:

With his "Musiq Soulchild" lookin' ass.....that was one big fail.

As a singer, 3/5, I mean he can sing better that Jamie Foxx

Songwriter, 5/5

@ "with his 'Musiq Soulchild' lookin' ass" he did try to look like Musiq from that period goddamn!

I just didn't get it, I know working the Neptunes were in during that time, but it just didn't fit him.

November said:

missfee said:

When he did that "Grown & Sexy" album, I just . It was horrible. And let's not forget that hideous video he did with the "one-hand clap" with Pharrell...damn what was that song...thinking....thinking.....had to look this shit up

Okay it was "There She Goes". That video was I don't know who the hell he was trying to be around that time, but I'm glad it only lasted with that one album.

With his "Musiq Soulchild" lookin' ass.....that was one big fail.

As a singer, 3/5, I mean he can sing better that Jamie Foxx

Songwriter, 5/5

daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:

@ "with his 'Musiq Soulchild' lookin' ass" he did try to look like Musiq from that period goddamn!

They say he was into this "earthy" thing during that time also. I know people that interviewed him during that time and they said he was FUNKY as hell when they did the interview.

November said:

Timmy84 said:

@ "with his 'Musiq Soulchild' lookin' ass" he did try to look like Musiq from that period goddamn!

I just didn't get it, I know working the Neptunes were in during that time, but it just didn't fit him.

Even that ballad he put out right after the Neptunes joint was just like "dude seriously stop".

I liked that album Face 2 Face. There She Goes wasn't his best song but at least

i could understand the lyrics unlike It's No Crime and it was something

to jam to. What If was the jam too. Other favorites were I Keep Callin,Don't

Take It Personal, Outside Inside Out I liked the majority of this album. The one i didn't like was that Baby Mama shit with Snoop Dogg. I liked this album because he stepped out of his

comfort zone just a bit from those sappy ballads like on The Day and stepped this

album up with more soul.

I would rate him a 7 as a singer and 8 as a songwriter.

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"It's No Crime" is awesome! I think his mumbling is strangely intelligible.

Man, The Day is one of the most disappointing albums. I know following up Tender Lover and For the Cool in You wouldn't have been easy, but all of the spark of those two albums was missing.

3/5 for vocals

5/5 for songwriting as much of his 90s hits have aged well and still sound fresh....

Take a look:

Babyface is legendary!!!

Timmy84 said:

Here's something that is never discussed: some of y'all been going on with how great a songwriter Face was but what was L.A.'s contribution? The lyrics or the music? Same with Face. There's also Daryl Simmons to tend with.

His debut is underrated. I heard it recently.

Something else to note: when I saw him in '94, Face was surprisingly excellent in concert.

He's written some of the great classics of modern R&B, but yes, his voice is average.

Like Prince you know who wrote the song, no matter who does it.

He was a guarantee hit machine at one time. Don't know what happened.