When you think demos, you gotta remember that a Michael Jackson demo is more complete than a average joe artist's unmastered studio track

Does the estate have all the unreleased material? Most likely not. Producers probably have tapes and may have not been willing to hand them over to Branca and McClain. Does that mean that there's barely anything? NOPE. You gotta think about

1. Rough demos (Like Don't Be Messin' Round, Cheater, She Got It, Shake A Body)

2. Studio demos

3. Nearly finished or complete tracks

but also alternate takes and mixes. There's a version of Blood On The Dancefloor that opens with Michael singing the first verse of Sunset Driver and a version of Can't Let Her Get Away with him rapping. He left behind a wealth of material, it's just wondering if the estate either has it or can get it but also, are they willing to release it.

The video archives, on the other hand, are a whole different issue

So that means the family may have the demos...

bboy87 said:

When you think demos, you gotta remember that a Michael Jackson demo is more complete than a average joe artist's unmastered studio track

Does the estate have all the unreleased material? Most likely not. Producers probably have tapes and may have not been willing to hand them over to Branca and McClain. Does that mean that there's barely anything? NOPE. You gotta think about

1. Rough demos (Like Don't Be Messin' Round, Cheater, She Got It, Shake A Body)

2. Studio demos

3. Nearly finished or complete tracks

but also alternate takes and mixes. There's a version of Blood On The Dancefloor that opens with Michael singing the first verse of Sunset Driver and a version of Can't Let Her Get Away with him rapping. He left behind a wealth of material, it's just wondering if the estate either has it or can get it but also, are they willing to release it.

The video archives, on the other hand, are a whole different issue

exactly! thats why when fans say "its probably unfinished" its like.. and "unfinished" michael jackson track is better and more complete than most artist completed tracks..and i think the estate has a good bit of the material because of how much they paid for it.. but i do think producers have alot of work too... and then like you said you have alternate versions and alternate takes of songs.. i dont really know what you mean about the "video archives" though. lol

Timmy84 said:

So that means the family may have the demos...

i think the family probably has some of the hayvenhurst and other home studio demos (not all)

Timmy84 said:

So that means the family may have the demos...

I would think the family has at the least the demos for Destiny and Triumph.

And wasn't there a rumor that LaToya took MJ's hard drive with unreleased music after he passed? Not sure if that was true or not..

Derek1984 said:

Timmy84 said:

So that means the family may have the demos...

I would think the family has at the least the demos for Destiny and Triumph.

And wasn't there a rumor that LaToya took MJ's hard drive with unreleased music after he passed? Not sure if that was true or not..

Yeah the LaToya rumor's been going on for a while. Not sure how true it is either.

since we are on the discussion of unreleased material.

does anyone remember hearing about the songs michael recorded for his children that would not be released.. (not the 100s of unreleased outtakes and other tracks) but songs just for his children, or was the just a rumour?

dm3857 said:

since we are on the discussion of unreleased material.

does anyone remember hearing about the songs michael recorded for his children that would not be released.. (not the 100s of unreleased outtakes and other tracks) but songs just for his children, or was the just a rumour?

That might've been a rumor.

I'm sure I've mentioned this before but I'm definitely in agreement that some people aren't handing over what they have to the Estate, probably in fear of them remixing the life out of it. The same thing happened with some of Tupac's material.

Militant said:

I'm sure I've mentioned this before but I'm definitely in agreement that some people aren't handing over what they have to the Estate, probably in fear of them remixing the life out of it. The same thing happened with some of Tupac's material.

That could be just it. Some of Elvis' material was remixed to death after his passing.

The song is mediocre to say the least ...I didn't like it at all...Got the hots is alot better than this

for the estate and sony to say that it's from the bad sessions proves how much they are ignorant about the man's legacy , such an unprofessional freaks !

from his voice i could tell it's from thriller ...and it's disappointing...I'm about to accept the fact that Mj didn't finish a shit....where where where are the material ? where?

don't tell me they got destroyed

seeingvoices12 said:

The song is mediocre to say the least ...I didn't like it at all...Got the hots is alot better than this

for the estate and sony to say that it's from the bad sessions proves how much they are ignorant about the man's legacy , such an unprofessional freaks !

from his voice i could tell it's from thriller ...and it's disappointing...I'm about to accept the fact that Mj didn't finish a shit....where where where are the material ? where?

don't tell me they got destroyed

so your going to count out all of michaels unreleased material because the estate decided to release a ROUGH DEMO? no. this track isnt even going to be on bad 25, its literally a walmart bonus.. and i for one like the track, its like a jam session of michael just coming up with ideas, i would take that over "breaking news" and "monster" anyday... as far as his "unfinished" tracks go, i have said it once and ill say it a thousand times, an unfinished michael jackson track is a gem to most artist.. songs like "best of joy" "a place with no name" "much to soon" where all unfinished, but they where completed. if that makes since.. im sure there are over 100 unrealeased tracks that are finished or close to it.. and then there are probably another 100 of rough demos like DBMA... i wish people had more faith in michaels unreleased music.

seeingvoices12 said:

The song is mediocre to say the least ...I didn't like it at all...Got the hots is alot better than this

for the estate and sony to say that it's from the bad sessions proves how much they are ignorant about the man's legacy , such an unprofessional freaks !

from his voice i could tell it's from thriller ...and it's disappointing...I'm about to accept the fact that Mj didn't finish a shit....where where where are the material ? where?

don't tell me they got destroyed

IT WAS A DEMO

and there are alot more songs that the Estate doesnt have. Their trying to please the fans by releasing unreleased material but they could put a alot more effort into it

dm3857 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

The song is mediocre to say the least ...I didn't like it at all...Got the hots is alot better than this

for the estate and sony to say that it's from the bad sessions proves how much they are ignorant about the man's legacy , such an unprofessional freaks !

from his voice i could tell it's from thriller ...and it's disappointing...I'm about to accept the fact that Mj didn't finish a shit....where where where are the material ? where?

don't tell me they got destroyed

so your going to count out all of michaels unreleased material because the estate decided to release a ROUGH DEMO? no. this track isnt even going to be on bad 25, its literally a walmart bonus.. and i for one like the track, its like a jam session of michael just coming up with ideas, i would take that over "breaking news" and "monster" anyday... as far as his "unfinished" tracks go, i have said it once and ill say it a thousand times, an unfinished michael jackson track is a gem to most artist.. songs like "best of joy" "a place with no name" "much to soon" where all unfinished, but they where completed. if that makes since.. im sure there are over 100 unrealeased tracks that are finished or close to it.. and then there are probably another 100 of rough demos like DBMA... i wish people had more faith in michaels unreleased music.

I lost faith

Sure this track is in million times better than the shitty fraudcascios tracks , i don't even have them on my pc , and best of joy is one of my favs....

the estate is handling this so unprpfessionally , how come they do know the timeline when songs were recorded , saying that this is from the bad sessions when it's clearly not what the hell........

seeingvoices12 said:

dm3857 said:

so your going to count out all of michaels unreleased material because the estate decided to release a ROUGH DEMO? no. this track isnt even going to be on bad 25, its literally a walmart bonus.. and i for one like the track, its like a jam session of michael just coming up with ideas, i would take that over "breaking news" and "monster" anyday... as far as his "unfinished" tracks go, i have said it once and ill say it a thousand times, an unfinished michael jackson track is a gem to most artist.. songs like "best of joy" "a place with no name" "much to soon" where all unfinished, but they where completed. if that makes since.. im sure there are over 100 unrealeased tracks that are finished or close to it.. and then there are probably another 100 of rough demos like DBMA... i wish people had more faith in michaels unreleased music.

I lost faith

Sure this track is in million times better than the shitty fraudcascios tracks , i don't even have them on my pc , and best of joy is one of my favs....

the estate is handling this so unprpfessionally , how come they do know the timeline when songs were recorded , saying that this is from the bad sessions when it's clearly not what the hell........

best of joy may be my favorite song of all time. lol

and what have you lost faith in? the estate? or michaels unreleased music? i had lost all faith in the estate untill they announced bad 25, whenever i heard they would release UNTOUCHED demos and outtakes along with wembley show, i gained much more faith in the estate.

and if you have lost faith in michaels unreleased music.. please rest assure that there is enough unreleased michael jackson music to easily make another 15 maybe even 20 albums.

dm3857 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

The song is mediocre to say the least ...I didn't like it at all...Got the hots is alot better than this

for the estate and sony to say that it's from the bad sessions proves how much they are ignorant about the man's legacy , such an unprofessional freaks !

from his voice i could tell it's from thriller ...and it's disappointing...I'm about to accept the fact that Mj didn't finish a shit....where where where are the material ? where?

don't tell me they got destroyed

so your going to count out all of michaels unreleased material because the estate decided to release a ROUGH DEMO? no. this track isnt even going to be on bad 25, its literally a walmart bonus.. and i for one like the track, its like a jam session of michael just coming up with ideas, i would take that over "breaking news" and "monster" anyday... as far as his "unfinished" tracks go, i have said it once and ill say it a thousand times, an unfinished michael jackson track is a gem to most artist.. songs like "best of joy" "a place with no name" "much to soon" where all unfinished, but they where completed. if that makes since.. im sure there are over 100 unrealeased tracks that are finished or close to it.. and then there are probably another 100 of rough demos like DBMA... i wish people had more faith in michaels unreleased music.

Totally agree, good list of songs btw! It's just a rough demo and as musician myself, it sounds like he was just putting together ideas which is what mostly happens when you record something the first time, unless you have a finished idea of a song. Best Of Joy, is a song that's mixed with James Porte so I cant take that as a 100 % Michael, I believe an engineer also questioned the song on gearslutz. People should def have more faith in Michaels work! Also lets remember the estate only owns the material they found, but lets remember that Mike got sued a bunch of times, for instance Henry Vaccaro had the masters for the original "Starlight" (original thriller) and a bunch of Jackson 5 and Jacksons song... He used to put some of the snippets on his youtube channel, but it got closed down after Mike died I believe.

The list that we put together are songs that are demos or almost finished songs, or songs that evolved into other finished tracks.

even though it has already leaked, make sure you go out and by the actual single from walmart (is only going to be like 2 dollars) because if it doesnt sell, the estate may not release any more things like this.. so make sure you get it.

GoldDolphin said:

dm3857 said:

so your going to count out all of michaels unreleased material because the estate decided to release a ROUGH DEMO? no. this track isnt even going to be on bad 25, its literally a walmart bonus.. and i for one like the track, its like a jam session of michael just coming up with ideas, i would take that over "breaking news" and "monster" anyday... as far as his "unfinished" tracks go, i have said it once and ill say it a thousand times, an unfinished michael jackson track is a gem to most artist.. songs like "best of joy" "a place with no name" "much to soon" where all unfinished, but they where completed. if that makes since.. im sure there are over 100 unrealeased tracks that are finished or close to it.. and then there are probably another 100 of rough demos like DBMA... i wish people had more faith in michaels unreleased music.

Totally agree, good list of songs btw! It's just a rough demo and as musician myself, it sounds like he was just putting together ideas which is what mostly happens when you record something the first time, unless you have a finished idea of a song. Best Of Joy, is a song that's mixed with James Porte so I cant take that as a 100 % Michael, I believe an engineer also questioned the song on gearslutz. People should def have more faith in Michaels work! Also lets remember the estate only owns the material they found, but lets remember that Mike got sued a bunch of times, for instance Henry Vaccaro had the masters for the original "Starlight" (original thriller) and a bunch of Jackson 5 and Jacksons song... He used to put some of the snippets on his youtube channel, but it got closed down after Mike died I believe.

The list that we put together are songs that are demos or almost finished songs, or songs that evolved into other finished tracks.

That song is 100% michael jackson....

GoldDolphin said:

dm3857 said:

so your going to count out all of michaels unreleased material because the estate decided to release a ROUGH DEMO? no. this track isnt even going to be on bad 25, its literally a walmart bonus.. and i for one like the track, its like a jam session of michael just coming up with ideas, i would take that over "breaking news" and "monster" anyday... as far as his "unfinished" tracks go, i have said it once and ill say it a thousand times, an unfinished michael jackson track is a gem to most artist.. songs like "best of joy" "a place with no name" "much to soon" where all unfinished, but they where completed. if that makes since.. im sure there are over 100 unrealeased tracks that are finished or close to it.. and then there are probably another 100 of rough demos like DBMA... i wish people had more faith in michaels unreleased music.

Totally agree, good list of songs btw! It's just a rough demo and as musician myself, it sounds like he was just putting together ideas which is what mostly happens when you record something the first time, unless you have a finished idea of a song. Best Of Joy, is a song that's mixed with James Porte so I cant take that as a 100 % Michael, I believe an engineer also questioned the song on gearslutz. People should def have more faith in Michaels work! Also lets remember the estate only owns the material they found, but lets remember that Mike got sued a bunch of times, for instance Henry Vaccaro had the masters for the original "Starlight" (original thriller) and a bunch of Jackson 5 and Jacksons song... He used to put some of the snippets on his youtube channel, but it got closed down after Mike died I believe.

The list that we put together are songs that are demos or almost finished songs, or songs that evolved into other finished tracks.

Best of Joy was 100% Michael.

Best of Joy
killer dance Teddy Riley approve
Teddy extra killer better than knowledge
Remember the Time
Who Is It
Dangerous finish lyrics do vocals
Call it off
Verdict BGs
Joy Joy
Black or White finish bridge
Monkey Business = Teddy do overdub
Ghost = Teddy do overdub get lyrics from writer
MA & MJ duet
Truth on Youth LL better rap tougher
Gone Too Soon
Serious Effect
Keep The Faith
Heal The World
Planet Earth
Teddy do overdubs --> Messin' Around
Give In to Me, 7 Digits -->

[continues on the back side]
ask Renea
They Don't Care 'bout Us
Deep In Night

Timmy84 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Totally agree, good list of songs btw! It's just a rough demo and as musician myself, it sounds like he was just putting together ideas which is what mostly happens when you record something the first time, unless you have a finished idea of a song. Best Of Joy, is a song that's mixed with James Porte so I cant take that as a 100 % Michael, I believe an engineer also questioned the song on gearslutz. People should def have more faith in Michaels work! Also lets remember the estate only owns the material they found, but lets remember that Mike got sued a bunch of times, for instance Henry Vaccaro had the masters for the original "Starlight" (original thriller) and a bunch of Jackson 5 and Jacksons song... He used to put some of the snippets on his youtube channel, but it got closed down after Mike died I believe.

The list that we put together are songs that are demos or almost finished songs, or songs that evolved into other finished tracks.

Best of Joy was 100% Michael.

Sure, James shitte cannot sing like this .....100% michael !

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Best of Joy was 100% Michael.

Sure, James shitte cannot sing like this .....100% michael !

James Porte might've sung on Monster, Breaking News and Keep Your Head Up but he hardly sounds like the real Michael on that joint (Best of Joy).

Timmy84 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Totally agree, good list of songs btw! It's just a rough demo and as musician myself, it sounds like he was just putting together ideas which is what mostly happens when you record something the first time, unless you have a finished idea of a song. Best Of Joy, is a song that's mixed with James Porte so I cant take that as a 100 % Michael, I believe an engineer also questioned the song on gearslutz. People should def have more faith in Michaels work! Also lets remember the estate only owns the material they found, but lets remember that Mike got sued a bunch of times, for instance Henry Vaccaro had the masters for the original "Starlight" (original thriller) and a bunch of Jackson 5 and Jacksons song... He used to put some of the snippets on his youtube channel, but it got closed down after Mike died I believe.

The list that we put together are songs that are demos or almost finished songs, or songs that evolved into other finished tracks.

Best of Joy was 100% Michael.

Sorry guys lmao! I totally confused it with another song haha! Bit tired here hahaha! Of course he cant sing like Mike xD!

[Edited 6/1/12 15:24pm]

GoldDolphin said:

Timmy84 said:

Best of Joy was 100% Michael.

Sorry guys lmao! I totally confused with another song haha! Bit tired here hahaha!

Gotcha.

Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Sure, James shitte cannot sing like this .....100% michael !

James Porte might've sung on Monster, Breaking News and Keep Your Head Up but he hardly sounds like the real Michael on that joint (Best of Joy).

Oh my god the vocals on the song monster, don't remind me …that horrible uncontrolled vibrato, whoever was the guy, he deserves to be shot

i think some fans are precieving DBMA the wrong way. This is a DEMO. it shows you an insite of the creative process, and you really get to hear michael creating.

dm3857 said:

i think some fans are precieving DBMA the wrong way. This is a DEMO. it shows you an insite of the creative process, and you really get to hear michael creating.

Didn't sound like a demo to me. Just rough.

Timmy84 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Sorry guys lmao! I totally confused with another song haha! Bit tired here hahaha!

Gotcha.

Yep. But I'm wondering if this is the same song he made in the 90s? Because it's on the list of songs he made on the Dangerous sessions, so perhaps he re-worked the song in 09 to be released as a single during the This is it concerts?

GoldDolphin said:

Timmy84 said:

Gotcha.

Yep. But I'm wondering if this is the same song he made in the 90s? Because it's on the list of songs he made on the Dangerous sessions, so perhaps he re-worked the song in 09 to be released as a single during the This is it concerts?

He reworked it I'm guessing.

Timmy84 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Yep. But I'm wondering if this is the same song he made in the 90s? Because it's on the list of songs he made on the Dangerous sessions, so perhaps he re-worked the song in 09 to be released as a single during the This is it concerts?

He reworked it I'm guessing.