Yeah, after a few listens, no doubt these are 1982 vocals. If this was an outtake for Thriller, the melody is stronger than anything that we know of that wasn't released for Thriller.

Too bad it wasn't finished... It has potential.

Anybody else think the snippet that's been on Youtube for years sounds slightly different?

Derek1984 said:

I wonder if there is anything in the vaults that is actually finished. So far it's been mostly just rough demos. Songs that need a lot more work.

The Will.I.Am tracks were most likely going to be on the new album he was working on. Were a couple songs completed? If so, they might be the best of the unreleased stuff. The Estate needs to get the rights to them and release them if this is the case.

Yes there are songs that are finished, like People of The World but most songs imo that are finished are from the 90s and from the 00s.

At least 2 songs from the Will.I.Am session are completed also from the HISTORY session there should be at least 5 songs that are ready to be put on CD.

Nice song but nothing spectacular

GoldDolphin said:

Derek1984 said:

I wonder if there is anything in the vaults that is actually finished. So far it's been mostly just rough demos. Songs that need a lot more work.

The Will.I.Am tracks were most likely going to be on the new album he was working on. Were a couple songs completed? If so, they might be the best of the unreleased stuff. The Estate needs to get the rights to them and release them if this is the case.

Yes there are songs that are finished, like People of The World but most songs imo that are finished are from the 90s and from the 00s.

At least 2 songs from the Will.I.Am session are completed also from the HISTORY session there should be at least 5 songs that are ready to be put on CD.

The Estate/Sony blew it with the Michael album. Forget the Cascio tracks and put the Will.I.Am tracks in its place. Add some Jerkins stuff, DYKWYCA, Blue Gangsta... The Michael album could've sold so much more.

Derek1984 said:

Anybody else think the snippet that's been on Youtube for years sounds slightly different?

Yes I thought it sounded a bit different 2. It had potential had it been worked on! But I'm kinda confused over the comments Bruce made ; ''Bruce Swedien, explains that an unreleased ballad entitled "Don't Be Messin' Around" by Michael Jackson could rank as his greatest ever work. Millions of fans need to wait for the approval of the Estate before hearing this solo performance which Swedien describe...s as "mesmerizing". There is another surprise for the fans concerning the unreleased track. Michael has a solo piano performance on it! According to Swedien, "It's just beautiful... Oh my God, there's nothing like it." ''

Is there another version perhaps? A piano version?

Derek1984 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Yes there are songs that are finished, like People of The World but most songs imo that are finished are from the 90s and from the 00s.

At least 2 songs from the Will.I.Am session are completed also from the HISTORY session there should be at least 5 songs that are ready to be put on CD.

The Estate/Sony blew it with the Michael album. Forget the Cascio tracks and put the Will.I.Am tracks in its place. Add some Jerkins stuff, DYKWYCA, Blue Gangsta... The Michael album could've sold so much more.

I know, I hated that album... Even friends that arent big fans of his, knew that it wasnt Michael singing on that damn album. The casicio tracks arent even real, and I'm hoping they dont put Black Widow or that other stupid song on this new album. Will.I.Am needs to talk to Katherine and the estate, because I know it'll be great stuff.

GoldDolphin said:

Derek1984 said:

The Estate/Sony blew it with the Michael album. Forget the Cascio tracks and put the Will.I.Am tracks in its place. Add some Jerkins stuff, DYKWYCA, Blue Gangsta... The Michael album could've sold so much more.

I know, I hated that album... Even friends that arent big fans of his, knew that it wasnt Michael singing on that damn album. The casicio tracks arent even real, and I'm hoping they dont put Black Widow or that other stupid song on this new album. Will.I.Am needs to talk to Katherine and the estate, because I know it'll be great stuff.

I've always thought that Access Hollywood interview in the Ireland studio provided early samples of what would become I'm Dreamin' and The Future. The one song where MJ gets up and dances, I bet that's Dreamin'.

GoldDolphin said:

Derek1984 said:

Anybody else think the snippet that's been on Youtube for years sounds slightly different?

But I'm kinda confused over the comments Bruce made ; ''Bruce Swedien, explains that an unreleased ballad entitled "Don't Be Messin' Around" by Michael Jackson could rank as his greatest ever work. Millions of fans need to wait for the approval of the Estate before hearing this solo performance which Swedien describe...s as "mesmerizing". There is another surprise for the fans concerning the unreleased track. Michael has a solo piano performance on it! According to Swedien, "It's just beautiful... Oh my God, there's nothing like it." ''

Is there another version perhaps? A piano version?

Either that or Bruce was overhyping this song to generate interest?

NaughtyKitty said:

GoldDolphin said:

But I'm kinda confused over the comments Bruce made ; ''Bruce Swedien, explains that an unreleased ballad entitled "Don't Be Messin' Around" by Michael Jackson could rank as his greatest ever work. Millions of fans need to wait for the approval of the Estate before hearing this solo performance which Swedien describe...s as "mesmerizing". There is another surprise for the fans concerning the unreleased track. Michael has a solo piano performance on it! According to Swedien, "It's just beautiful... Oh my God, there's nothing like it." ''

Is there another version perhaps? A piano version?

Either that or Bruce was overhyping this song to generate interest?

Bruce seems like an honest guy. Not the type to overhype a song just to generate interest. I know he used to post in GS, but not sure if he does anymore.

I bet there's another version that Bruce was talking about. Maybe a more earlier version with just a piano.

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Derek1984 said:

GoldDolphin said:

I know, I hated that album... Even friends that arent big fans of his, knew that it wasnt Michael singing on that damn album. The casicio tracks arent even real, and I'm hoping they dont put Black Widow or that other stupid song on this new album. Will.I.Am needs to talk to Katherine and the estate, because I know it'll be great stuff.

I've always thought that Access Hollywood interview in the Ireland studio provided early samples of what would become I'm Dreamin' and The Future. The one song where MJ gets up and dances, I bet that's Dreamin'.

The first song that is played on Access Hollywod is called Fly Girl, (I have the album, and always remined me of Michaels music) but Michael wasnt satisfied with it, so he released it without Michael.

And yeah they were early samples... Did you hear People of the world?

GoldDolphin said:

Derek1984 said:

I've always thought that Access Hollywood interview in the Ireland studio provided early samples of what would become I'm Dreamin' and The Future. The one song where MJ gets up and dances, I bet that's Dreamin'.

The first song that is played on Access Hollywod is called Fly Girl, (I have the album, and always remined me of Michaels music) but Michael wasnt satisfied with it, so he released it without Michael.

And yeah they were early samples... Did you hear People of the world?

Yeah, I know about Fly Girl. But there were 2 other samples used in that show that have never been on any Will.I.Am track. I especially liked the one when Mike got up and danced and said how he liked it. Will said, "That's a club banger right there". Thats what I think evolved into I'm Dreamin'. The other track, The Future, is supposed to be a latin-tinged club song.

People of the World? I don't think I know anything about that one. Could you explain?

Derek1984 said:

GoldDolphin said:

The first song that is played on Access Hollywod is called Fly Girl, (I have the album, and always remined me of Michaels music) but Michael wasnt satisfied with it, so he released it without Michael.

And yeah they were early samples... Did you hear People of the world?

Yeah, I know about Fly Girl. But there were 2 other samples used in that show that have never been on any Will.I.Am track. I especially liked the one when Mike got up and danced and said how he liked it. Will said, "That's a club banger right there". Thats what I think evolved into I'm Dreamin'. The other track, The Future, is supposed to be a latin-tinged club song.

People of the World? I don't think I know anything about that one. Could you explain?

I think I have a longer version of one those songs on my other computer. Yeah me too, I think that would have been a great song. Yes I've heard snippets from the latin based club song but I didnt know if it was real or not, because the guy who sent it to me was being investigated by the police for being one of the guys who hacked into SONY. What I heard from that song, sounded good tho.

Yeah sure, it's a song that he made in 1999 I believe? I cant find much information on it, except that I got it from this guy. I have the full instrumental song and also snippets of Michael singing it. It's like a new type of "heal the world" song.

Derek1984 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Either that or Bruce was overhyping this song to generate interest?

Bruce seems like an honest guy. Not the type to overhype a song just to generate interest. I know he used to post in GS, but not sure if he does anymore.

I bet there's another version that Bruce was talking about. Maybe a more earlier version with just a piano.

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Yes, I just went back and re-read the article that was posted about it, and I think you're right about there being another version of DBMA. And if that's the case then I hope that version gets released or leaked!

Bruce Swedien, Jackson’s long time studio engineer and the man that recorded Jackson’s vocals spoke about “Don’t Be Messin’ Round” in a 2009 interview, in which he referred to it as a “powerful” and “mesmerizing” ballad. “Michael plays piano on it, and it’s just beautiful … Oh my God, there’s nothing like it”.

Recently I was fortunate enough to with talk to someone who is familiar with the song.

“It’s cool”, she explained. “It’s not something you’d typically expect from Michael Jackson. When you listen to songs like Smooth Criminal or Dirty Diana which come from the same era it’s understandable why Messin’ wasn’t included on Bad. It’s too different. It doesn’t fit.”
Nevertheless, I was assured that fans will thoroughly enjoy the track.

“From what I could tell”, she continued, “it hasn’t been touched up. It seems to be the way Michael left it. It sounds like something you might have heard in a classy Jazz bar back in the ’50s. That’s the mood of the song. It’s a lounge type song.”

“You can imagine Michael just sitting at the piano, in the privacy of his home, jamming for his friends and family on this one. It’s really nice.”

All speculation will be set aside in just a few short days when fans finally have the chance to hear the track for themselves.

The leaked version I heard today is quite nice but it doesnt sound anything like what is described here.

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In case some havent heard it yet, its on Youtube.

NaughtyKitty said:

Derek1984 said:

Yes, I just went back and re-read the article that was posted about it, and I think you're right about there being another version of DBMA. And if that's the case then I hope that version gets released or leaked!

Bruce Swedien, Jackson’s long time studio engineer and the man that recorded Jackson’s vocals spoke about “Don’t Be Messin’ Round” in a 2009 interview, in which he referred to it as a “powerful” and “mesmerizing” ballad. “Michael plays piano on it, and it’s just beautiful … Oh my God, there’s nothing like it”.

Recently I was fortunate enough to with talk to someone who is familiar with the song.

“It’s cool”, she explained. “It’s not something you’d typically expect from Michael Jackson. When you listen to songs like Smooth Criminal or Dirty Diana which come from the same era it’s understandable why Messin’ wasn’t included on Bad. It’s too different. It doesn’t fit.”
Nevertheless, I was assured that fans will thoroughly enjoy the track.

“From what I could tell”, she continued, “it hasn’t been touched up. It seems to be the way Michael left it. It sounds like something you might have heard in a classy Jazz bar back in the ’50s. That’s the mood of the song. It’s a lounge type song.”

“You can imagine Michael just sitting at the piano, in the privacy of his home, jamming for his friends and family on this one. It’s really nice.”

All speculation will be set aside in just a few short days when fans finally have the chance to hear the track for themselves.

The leaked version I heard today is quite nice but it doesnt sound anything like what is described here.

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I know that was I thought of too, perhaps there's a piano version of it? because it's so strange that so many people have hyped this song and now when it's released it's nothing like they described it to be... I also liked it but was expecting something completly different!

Gunsnhalen said:

So... this has probably been discussed 2 MILLION TIMES by now. But as a big Van Halen fan i think i sometimes take for granted.

The big crossover Beat It was.... now to me i'm not a HUGE MJ fan, but i was always a fan of his more political work. But the Beat It crossover is something i don't we will see again. For an R&B artist to have crossed over in a big way to a rock market, and for arguably the biggest guitar sensation of that time to have on the song. It was a big game changer and i take it for granted sometimes

Not to mention the fact although VH had been big for awhile, when Thriller was coming out. They where getting HUGE and by the time the Thriller video came out VH where the biggest rock band in the world.

So yeah... just came to say even as not the biggest MJ Fan. I can't deny Beat It was perhaps the biggest R&B To rock crossover hit ever.

I agree... Michael had alot of other cross over rock songs but I think that is no doubt number one!

NaughtyKitty said:

In case some havent heard it yet, its on Youtube.

I exactly like the song... and this is definitly from Thriller sessions. The song seems abstract and very different from songs that were on Thriller and even Bad. ALthough I like it, it doesnt seem that strong.. Hopefully there is another version to this... Im just really excited I cant lie

GoldDolphin said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I know that was I thought of too, perhaps there's a piano version of it? because it's so strange that so many people have hyped this song and now when it's released it's nothing like they described it to be... I also liked it but was expecting something completly different!

I agree. I'm beginning to think this leaked version was purposely altered/remixed from the actual original version that exists. Perhaps this was done by Sony on purpose? Maybe the IJCSLY single will have the actual untouched version of DBMA and Sony purposely leaked this altered version to keep the original version from being stolen and leaked??? Idk, just a theory...

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NaughtyKitty said:

In case some havent heard it yet, its on Youtube.

Very average
though perhaps, after all the talk about this song my expectations were too high.
I understand why this song was not included in the album "Bad" .... it is simply weaker than any song on this great album

http://mjdatabank.com/mjj...review-en/

EXCLUSIVE: Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round – A Review (EN)


Presented as the first unreleased track off the BAD 25 campaign to be released as a bonus cut on the forthcoming I Just can’t Stop Loving You single, Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round is a song that already has a history among MJ fans and connoisseurs. Way back in July 2009, legendary sound engineer and longtime Jackson collaborator Bruce Swedien revealed to columnist Roger Friedman that the track was just – simply put – mindblowing: « Michael plays piano on it, and it’s just beautiful. » He added: « Oh my God, there’s nothing like it. » He also stated that Jackson plays the piano on it, a feat that has always been underestimated (he also plays drums on Morphine and keyboards & synthesizers on the lost and underrated track Children’s Holiday, a song Jackson penned for the Japanese band J-Friends in 1998 and also recorded on his own).

So far, the sole book to document the song was Chris Cadman’s & Creaig Halstead’s reference book (yet unmatched in the UK and the U.S.) For The Record. A very short snippet of the song was leaked on YouTube some time ago. But that was it. Until now.

Swedien made it clear that the track was intended for the Thriller album. It finally did not make the final cut. Jackson had a history – like other artists – to develop a song and to discard it at the very last minute to keep the whole set of songs as tight and coherent as possible. The left off songs happened to be cornerstone and iconic ones that were shaped for further releases. Earth Song, first intended for the Dangerous album under the working title What About Us was reworked and polished for HIStory.

Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round is a track that had been in the pipelines many times. It was first considered for the Thriller album, then BAD, and then for further projects. But the version to be released is the actual mix crafted in 1987. Sound engineer Matt Forger mixed the song for the BAD 25 project and made it clear that the song will be presented « as is »: « I mixed the « Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round » track from tapes of that era. No new parts were allowed, not even parts that were recorded after ’87 but still done under Michael’s supervision ».

Composed and produced by Michael Jackson, Don’t Be Messin’ Round is part of the demos Jackson spent enough time on to draft several strong melodic and rhythmic ideas. The chords and the rhythm of the track are quite reminiscent of the sunny and cool mid-tempo version of P.Y.T. (the original demo that surfaced in 2004 on the The Ultimate Collection box set). Some ideas and notes also sound like the ones already heard in Streetwalker, especially in the verses. Jackson sings most of the lyrics in yogurt, meaning that he still had a few steps to go before he could include the song on one of his abums. At 2:23, Jackson dives into the « bridge » section of the song, that actually is – in this version – an instrumental section. The catchy and sunny hook is back and heads to the fade-out of the song. Don’t Be Messin’ Round is another door open to Michael Jackson’s unique creative process. The King of Pop was used to tape melodic ideas – orally – on a tape recorder and then get musicians to help him craft the track, layer after layer.

Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round is a treat just before the actual BAD 25 set hits the shelves. The Estate of Michael Jackson and Sony Music have joined forces to gather genuine and untouched recordings from the iconic times of BAD. Ok, there will be some remixes as well. When it comes to Kings of music, we shall have an eye on some of the the win-win projects by the Estate of Elvis Presley. In 2002, they released this great remix of Just A Little Conversation by JXL. It was the sole new remix included as the final track of a cool greatest hits packaghe. This remix sold the whole set. It may just take one cool, hard, club banging remix to make the re-release of BAD a celebration of the original album and an attempt to reach a new generation of fans. To be continued…

Richard Lecocq

NaughtyKitty said:

GoldDolphin said:

I know that was I thought of too, perhaps there's a piano version of it? because it's so strange that so many people have hyped this song and now when it's released it's nothing like they described it to be... I also liked it but was expecting something completly different!

I agree. I'm beginning to think this leaked version was purposely altered/remixed from the actual original version that exists. Perhaps this was done by Sony on purpose? Maybe the IJCSLY single will have the actual untouched version of DBMA and Sony purposely leaked this altered version to keep the original version from being stolen and leaked??? Idk, just a theory...

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Or perhaps they'll release the other version on the second disc of BAD25? The person who leaked this got it from the CD I think, the person is on the mjjcommunity.com ... I really hope they do release the other version if it exists... I'm really hoping that there are more "finished" stuff on BAD25 but even tho I love Bad (I dont always like the 80s demos) I actually want to hear more from the 90s and the 00s..

I kinda thought the song would be more like the original P.Y.T , http://www.youtube.com/wa...wZbJC_fXyU

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GoldDolphin said:

http://mjdatabank.com/mjj...review-en/

EXCLUSIVE: Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round – A Review (EN)


Presented as the first unreleased track off the BAD 25 campaign to be released as a bonus cut on the forthcoming I Just can’t Stop Loving You single, Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round is a song that already has a history among MJ fans and connoisseurs. Way back in July 2009, legendary sound engineer and longtime Jackson collaborator Bruce Swedien revealed to columnist Roger Friedman that the track was just – simply put – mindblowing: « Michael plays piano on it, and it’s just beautiful. » He added: « Oh my God, there’s nothing like it. » He also stated that Jackson plays the piano on it, a feat that has always been underestimated (he also plays drums on Morphine and keyboards & synthesizers on the lost and underrated track Children’s Holiday, a song Jackson penned for the Japanese band J-Friends in 1998 and also recorded on his own).

So far, the sole book to document the song was Chris Cadman’s & Creaig Halstead’s reference book (yet unmatched in the UK and the U.S.) For The Record. A very short snippet of the song was leaked on YouTube some time ago. But that was it. Until now.

Swedien made it clear that the track was intended for the Thriller album. It finally did not make the final cut. Jackson had a history – like other artists – to develop a song and to discard it at the very last minute to keep the whole set of songs as tight and coherent as possible. The left off songs happened to be cornerstone and iconic ones that were shaped for further releases. Earth Song, first intended for the Dangerous album under the working title What About Us was reworked and polished for HIStory.

Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round is a track that had been in the pipelines many times. It was first considered for the Thriller album, then BAD, and then for further projects. But the version to be released is the actual mix crafted in 1987. Sound engineer Matt Forger mixed the song for the BAD 25 project and made it clear that the song will be presented « as is »: « I mixed the « Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round » track from tapes of that era. No new parts were allowed, not even parts that were recorded after ’87 but still done under Michael’s supervision ».

Composed and produced by Michael Jackson, Don’t Be Messin’ Round is part of the demos Jackson spent enough time on to draft several strong melodic and rhythmic ideas. The chords and the rhythm of the track are quite reminiscent of the sunny and cool mid-tempo version of P.Y.T. (the original demo that surfaced in 2004 on the The Ultimate Collection box set). Some ideas and notes also sound like the ones already heard in Streetwalker, especially in the verses. Jackson sings most of the lyrics in yogurt, meaning that he still had a few steps to go before he could include the song on one of his abums. At 2:23, Jackson dives into the « bridge » section of the song, that actually is – in this version – an instrumental section. The catchy and sunny hook is back and heads to the fade-out of the song. Don’t Be Messin’ Round is another door open to Michael Jackson’s unique creative process. The King of Pop was used to tape melodic ideas – orally – on a tape recorder and then get musicians to help him craft the track, layer after layer.

Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round is a treat just before the actual BAD 25 set hits the shelves. The Estate of Michael Jackson and Sony Music have joined forces to gather genuine and untouched recordings from the iconic times of BAD. Ok, there will be some remixes as well. When it comes to Kings of music, we shall have an eye on some of the the win-win projects by the Estate of Elvis Presley. In 2002, they released this great remix of Just A Little Conversation by JXL. It was the sole new remix included as the final track of a cool greatest hits packaghe. This remix sold the whole set. It may just take one cool, hard, club banging remix to make the re-release of BAD a celebration of the original album and an attempt to reach a new generation of fans. To be continued…

Richard Lecocq

Very interesting, thanks for posting. Perhaps the version that we're hearing is a very rough draft of the song? Something about the song's beat sounds very familiar to me, like I've heard it before. It reminds me of one of those pre-recorded beats you can play on a keyboard. For instance, maybe Michael pushed the "Bossa Nova" button on a keyboard and started playing and singing the song along with the beat, and he recorded it. And maybe that's the version that was leaked today--the very 1st, rough draft version of it--the song being in the very early stages of its creation.

Not trying to bash the song, its fine, I'm just trying to figure out why it doesnt sound like anything Bruce said. Maybe there is a more developed, polished version out there that he was referring to?

I know Bruce Swedien played this song up (and there could be another version), but what more can you expect? It's an outtake. IF it was THAT good, it would've made an album. It never did. These are demos. Nothing more. And I am glad this one was left untouched.

I keep stressing the Will.I.Am tracks because unlike these demos that were never good enough to make an album, the Will.I.Am tracks were intended for an album, assuming some are completed.

Anyone hear the "State of Shock" riff at the very end? These songs were recorded around the same.

I wanna hear the songs MJ mentioned in his Chicago Deposition that he felt were stronger than all the songs on Thriller

http://www.youtube.com/wa...zuYmpmLBMw

The song mentioned in that article from mjjdatabank.com I wonder if they'll ever release Michaels version of it. It seems as if he worked on music in Japan too?

Written, Composed, Arranged, Keyboards, Drum Programming, and Producer: MICHAEL JACKSON.

^I already know its a demo, but the point of the matter is going by Bruce's description, what we are hearing and what he described do not match up. He has described the song as "mindblowing", "mesmerizing", a "powerful ballad", "there's nothing like it", etc. This version is not a ballad, and its a decent demo but I wouldnt call it mindblowing. I am not the only one who is questioning why the song we're hearing isnt matching up with Bruce's description.

The released version better be a ballad then. The version allegedly on the single release of "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" was allegedly recorded around the time of DANGEROUS. So I don't get this shit...

NaughtyKitty said:

^I already know its a demo, but the point of the matter is going by Bruce's description, what we are hearing and what he described do not match up. He has described the song as "mindblowing", "mesmerizing", a "powerful ballad", "there's nothing like it", etc. This version is not a ballad, and its a decent demo but I wouldnt call it mindblowing. I am not the only one who is questioning why the song we're hearing isnt matching up with Bruce's description.

To be honest, I think we need to consider what the Estate has. We talk about another possible version to this song, and the songs mentioned in the depositions, does the Estate really have all these songs in their possession?

Wasn't their a rumor going around that LaToya took MJ's hard drive with a bunch of music after he passed? What ever became of that?

Janet talked up Iowa. MJ and Dileo talked up Buffalo Bill. Bruce talked up DBMA. A music writer talked up Men In Black. Yet 3 years later, we still don't know anything. I think we need to realize the Estate might not have everything.

Timmy84 said:

The released version better be a ballad then. The version allegedly on the single release of "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" was allegedly recorded around the time of DANGEROUS. So I don't get this shit...

Sony/Estate don't know WTF they have. They're just putting eras on anything