mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

I think they can peek into a place where he is buried or something like that and they accept flowers and gifts.

Tell Michael I love him for me... I didnt know the public could view it... Im pretty sure its high security over there...

I'm not even 100 percent sure if the rules are still the same. A friend told me this is what she did. I'm a little nervous about going if it's too far from where I'm staying, but if I make it there, I sure will

alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

Tell Michael I love him for me... I didnt know the public could view it... Im pretty sure its high security over there...

I'm not even 100 percent sure if the rules are still the same. A friend told me this is what she did. I'm a little nervous about going if it's too far from where I'm staying, but if I make it there, I sure will

I hope you can and thanks!

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

I'm not even 100 percent sure if the rules are still the same. A friend told me this is what she did. I'm a little nervous about going if it's too far from where I'm staying, but if I make it there, I sure will

I hope you can and thanks!

You're welcome. Today I'm enjoying him and feel better, I was almost thinking he's just a shell and the soul lives on and all that jazz and it won't matter if I go or not, but I think I'll regret it if I don't go pay my respects

I'll leave you all with this

so groovy! I always heard a Stevie Wonder influence in this song.

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

I think they can peek into a place where he is buried or something like that and they accept flowers and gifts.

Tell Michael I love him for me... I didnt know the public could view it... Im pretty sure its high security over there...

Michael's not dead anyway, why go visit an empty grave?

*runs out before people start slamming me*

Dren5 said:

Michael's not dead anyway, why go visit an empty grave?

*runs out before people start slamming me*

im glad someone else is open to that idea! and can see all the things that just dont add up, to many "coincidence's"

dm3857 said:

Dren5 said:

Michael's not dead anyway, why go visit an empty grave?

*runs out before people start slamming me*

im glad someone else is open to that idea! and can see all the things that just dont add up, to many "coincidence's"

It's not even that for me, because I don't monitor/follow the 'hoax movement' and all that bullshit, them reading clues that aren't there into everything...

It's just that the day it supposedly happened - and this will probably make me sound crazy - but it wasn't long before I had a gut feeling it just wasn't true.

Then in the upcoming days I noticed that a lot of the reports about what supposedly happened, were conflicting with each other and I just took that as confirmation that I was right.

A disc of official previously unreleased extended mixes from "Bad" leaked out recently and I'm listening to it now. It's phenomenal. The tracklist:

1. Smooth Criminal (Extended Moonwalker Mix) - 13m28

2. The Way You Make Me Feel (Extended Street Mix) - 12m05

3. Bad (Sky's The Limit) - 9m52

4. Man In The Mirror (Extended Mix) - 7m55

5. Another Part of Me (Extended World Mix) - 9m32

6. Dirty Diana (Extended Mix) - 6m59

7. Liberian Girl (Extended Mix) - 5m04

tmo1965 said:

alphastreet said:

Thanks for the link. I hope I can handle it.

Can the general public go to MJ's grave?

I don't think so,I think you are allowed to leave things outside the door,but you are not allowed into the building unless you have family buried there.

the estate really did there research in what the fans wishes where this time huh ? Cause they seem to have a different aproach now

Militant said:

Dren5 said:

dm3857 said:

im glad someone else is open to that idea! and can see all the things that just dont add up, to many "coincidence's"

It's not even that for me, because I don't monitor/follow the 'hoax movement' and all that bullshit, them reading clues that aren't there into everything...

It's just that the day it supposedly happened - and this will probably make me sound crazy - but it wasn't long before I had a gut feeling it just wasn't true.

Then in the upcoming days I noticed that a lot of the reports about what supposedly happened, were conflicting with each other and I just took that as confirmation that I was right.

Yea you are crazy

aardvark15 said:

Militant said:

A disc of official previously unreleased extended mixes from "Bad" leaked out recently and I'm listening to it now. It's phenomenal. The tracklist:

Can you send me an org note with the link?

Question: how do you all feel about the assumption by many that all Michael was *just* a singer and dancer?

[Edited 5/24/12 2:01am]

bboy87 said:

Question: how do you all feel about the assumption by many (including some on this site) that all Michael was *just* a singer and dancer?

Singer-songwriter, musician, composer, dancer, choreographer, record producer, actor, businessman, philanthropist

Son, brother, friend, father, and.........................a HERO to millions. Nuff said.

Oh and how I feel about him being "just a singer and dancer?" It's bullshit.

Militant said:

A disc of official previously unreleased extended mixes from "Bad" leaked out recently and I'm listening to it now. It's phenomenal. The tracklist:

1. Smooth Criminal (Extended Moonwalker Mix) - 13m28

2. The Way You Make Me Feel (Extended Street Mix) - 12m05

3. Bad (Sky's The Limit) - 9m52

4. Man In The Mirror (Extended Mix) - 7m55

5. Another Part of Me (Extended World Mix) - 9m32

6. Dirty Diana (Extended Mix) - 6m59

7. Liberian Girl (Extended Mix) - 5m04

Orgnote please?

bboy87 said:

Question: how do you all feel about the assumption by many that all Michael was *just* a singer and dancer?

The Beatles were *just* a boy band.

Michael Jackson is one of the single most talented people of all time,and with out a doubt the greatest performer who has ever lived..

he compares With Beetoven,Mozart, Da Vinchi, Michaelangello,The Beatles.. etc... in my opinion.

[Edited 5/24/12 4:44am]

bboy87 said:

Question: how do you all feel about the assumption by many that all Michael was *just* a singer and dancer?

[Edited 5/24/12 2:01am]

Since I have started preparing for the MJ speech that I plan to make at our school, some of my collegues have just found out about me being an MJ fan. We had a very time-limited discussion about him during a break for the first time ever. I was talking to the collegue who I heard say once in another discussion about Mj concering that "MJ sleeping with a doll" thing if you remember when he said that he is not surprised to hear that and that there are different psychological disorders. He tried to claim today he didn't remember the discussion, but I just told him that I was very dissapointed by it, but didn't participate just because I am sick and tired of this BS. He said he was surprised to hear people crying calling the radio stations the day he died and that he couldn't believe it. I didn't admit at that moment that I was bawling for couple of days in a row because I knew that he was simply incapable of understanding that MJ is not "just" a singer and a dancer. Anyways, I told him that after that I have decided to educate people a bit at our school with my speech. I am going to give it in 14 days. I am really looking forward to it wondering what reactions I am going to get.

Militant said:

A disc of official previously unreleased extended mixes from "Bad" leaked out recently and I'm listening to it now. It's phenomenal. The tracklist:

1. Smooth Criminal (Extended Moonwalker Mix) - 13m28

2. The Way You Make Me Feel (Extended Street Mix) - 12m05

3. Bad (Sky's The Limit) - 9m52

4. Man In The Mirror (Extended Mix) - 7m55

5. Another Part of Me (Extended World Mix) - 9m32

6. Dirty Diana (Extended Mix) - 6m59

7. Liberian Girl (Extended Mix) - 5m04

This collection has been 'out there' for years. I originally downloaded this in 2009. I remember there was talk among the fans at the time questioning it's official status, with many believing it to be put together by a fan.

[Edited 5/24/12 10:16am]

A cover of of what I think " I'm a loser" , even tho the guy's voice is a mess , but i think the melody is legit , I could be wrong , because i can hear stranger in moscow instrumental , but the way the guys sings the song indicate that it's a legit melody...beautiful melody indeed!

what do you guys think?

^I'm calling it a fake

If he was alive, it wouldn't surprise me either and I was hopeful for awhile to make it through the days, but did not want to live life on what could very well be a lie. I used to get mad at people who believed until I saw the screw up Jermaine did in that interview and a few other things. But I also believe that if he's alive, there is no way he will reveal himself, no tours or comeback or bam. It's too risky and people will not be so forgiving and I wish him well.

I also did not feel like he was dead for the longest time and was getting so angry feeing like he abandoned everyone or was everywhere cause of another accusation rather than cause of being dead, cause the former hurt like hell and I had still not recovered from how angry it made me that they did that to him, and felt I was getting these feelings cause of feeling traumatized by how he died, cause it is the stupidest and most bizzare way to die. How coulld a doctor be so stupid and heartless? I believe he's guilty and used him as a prop, but could not react during the trial, I felt I was just watching a crime show about someone else. I don't know if I went into shock or what, but was throwing a tantrum feeling resentment over why I loved mj so much. I didn't want to believe what I was seeing but am admitting it now slowly.

mjscarousal said:

Dren5 said:

It's not even that for me, because I don't monitor/follow the 'hoax movement' and all that bullshit, them reading clues that aren't there into everything...

It's just that the day it supposedly happened - and this will probably make me sound crazy - but it wasn't long before I had a gut feeling it just wasn't true.

Then in the upcoming days I noticed that a lot of the reports about what supposedly happened, were conflicting with each other and I just took that as confirmation that I was right.

Yea you are crazy

I'm saner than you, probably.

And Michael is alive. FACT. He's just as alive as you or I am right now.

Either you believe it or you don't. I'm not that concerned or emotionally invested in your opinion either way, but for you to try and personally attack me for it is in incredibly poor taste and says a lot about your character (or lack thereof).

And then MJ fans always wonder why the world at large views them as a collective punchline. Because most of you guys are assholes. You just proved it with the above post.

He's not dead. Period. If you wanted to place a bet on it, I would, and I'd bet almost all my belongings and money on said bet. Which says alot, because I'm really in no position to be betting anything for any reason. That alone should tell you that I'm absolutely certain that he's not dead.

Now...if you wanna go over to a graveyard to mourn at an empty grave, that's you. I know better. He's not dead, he just went underground (and not in a literal sense). That's it, and that's all.

alphastreet said:

If he was alive, it wouldn't surprise me either and I was hopeful for awhile to make it through the days, but did not want to live life on what could very well be a lie. I used to get mad at people who believed until I saw the screw up Jermaine did in that interview and a few other things. But I also believe that if he's alive, there is no way he will reveal himself, no tours or comeback or bam. It's too risky and people will not be so forgiving and I wish him well.

I also did not feel like he was dead for the longest time and was getting so angry feeing like he abandoned everyone or was everywhere cause of another accusation rather than cause of being dead, cause the former hurt like hell and I had still not recovered from how angry it made me that they did that to him, and felt I was getting these feelings cause of feeling traumatized by how he died, cause it is the stupidest and most bizzare way to die. How coulld a doctor be so stupid and heartless? I believe he's guilty and used him as a prop, but could not react during the trial, I felt I was just watching a crime show about someone else. I don't know if I went into shock or what, but was throwing a tantrum feeling resentment over why I loved mj so much. I didn't want to believe what I was seeing but am admitting it now slowly.

...Oh, he's definitely alive.

What all that trial shit was about, I have no clue, but he's alive.

Dren5 said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea you are crazy

I'm saner than you, probably.

And Michael is alive. FACT. He's just as alive as you or I am right now.

Either you believe it or you don't. I'm not that concerned or emotionally invested in your opinion either way, but for you to try and personally attack me for it is in incredibly poor taste and says a lot about your character (or lack thereof).

And then MJ fans always wonder why the world at large views them as a collective punchline. Because most of you guys are assholes. You just proved it with the above post.

He's not dead. Period. If you wanted to place a bet on it, I would, and I'd bet almost all my belongings and money on said bet. Which says alot, because I'm really in no position to be betting anything for any reason. That alone should tell you that I'm absolutely certain that he's not dead.

Now...if you wanna go over to a graveyard to mourn at an empty grave, that's you. I know better. He's not dead, he just went underground (and not in a literal sense). That's it, and that's all.

HUH? LOL

Not entertaining your bullshit but it brings many laughs LOL

I dont know how you derive me saying your crazy to personally attacking you. I was just answering your OWN question

Dren5 said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea you are crazy

I'm saner than you, probably.

And Michael is alive. FACT. He's just as alive as you or I am right now.

Either you believe it or you don't. I'm not that concerned or emotionally invested in your opinion either way, but for you to try and personally attack me for it is in incredibly poor taste and says a lot about your character (or lack thereof).

And then MJ fans always wonder why the world at large views them as a collective punchline. Because most of you guys are assholes. You just proved it with the above post.

He's not dead. Period. If you wanted to place a bet on it, I would, and I'd bet almost all my belongings and money on said bet. Which says alot, because I'm really in no position to be betting anything for any reason. That alone should tell you that I'm absolutely certain that he's not dead.

Now...if you wanna go over to a graveyard to mourn at an empty grave, that's you. I know better. He's not dead, he just went underground (and not in a literal sense). That's it, and that's all.

Don't you think it's very hypocritical to tell Mjscarousal to not hate on your opinion but then to bash his opinion right after?

BTW He died. That's the way I feel about this horrible situation and I think we should move on to something else

mjscarousal said:

Dren5 said:

I'm saner than you, probably.

And Michael is alive. FACT. He's just as alive as you or I am right now.

Either you believe it or you don't. I'm not that concerned or emotionally invested in your opinion either way, but for you to try and personally attack me for it is in incredibly poor taste and says a lot about your character (or lack thereof).

And then MJ fans always wonder why the world at large views them as a collective punchline. Because most of you guys are assholes. You just proved it with the above post.

He's not dead. Period. If you wanted to place a bet on it, I would, and I'd bet almost all my belongings and money on said bet. Which says alot, because I'm really in no position to be betting anything for any reason. That alone should tell you that I'm absolutely certain that he's not dead.

Now...if you wanna go over to a graveyard to mourn at an empty grave, that's you. I know better. He's not dead, he just went underground (and not in a literal sense). That's it, and that's all.

HUH? LOL

Not entertaining your bullshit but it brings many laughs LOL

I dont know how you derive me saying your crazy to personally attacking you. I was just answering your OWN question

Oh, you don't have to entertain my bullshit. If you want to go on thinking he's a corpse when he isn't, that's you and doesn't adversely affect me or anyone else in anyway.

You're just the one who will end up looking like a dumbfuck if he decides at some point that he wants to reappear. Which, I doubt he wil, but if he did you'll be face down in a bowl full of crow.

And don't try to bullshit a bullshitter. You can try and spin it as much as you like but you know my comment wasn't a question and that it wasn't posted with the intent you ultimately extracted from it.

And it's fans like you that probably made Michael say he'd prefer for everyone to think he was dead, rather than continue dealing with your crap.

And he's probably laughing his ass off knowing that yokels like you make pilgrimages out to visit an empty grave.

Sucker.

Dren5 said:

mjscarousal said:

HUH? LOL

Not entertaining your bullshit but it brings many laughs LOL

I dont know how you derive me saying your crazy to personally attacking you. I was just answering your OWN question

Oh, you don't have to entertain my bullshit. If you want to go on thinking he's a corpse when he isn't, that's you and doesn't adversely affect me or anyone else in anyway.

You're just the one who will end up looking like a dumbfuck if he decides at some point that he wants to reappear. Which, I doubt he wil, but if he did you'll be face down in a bowl full of crow.

And don't try to bullshit a bullshitter. You can try and spin it as much as you like but you know my comment wasn't a question and that it wasn't posted with the intent you ultimately extracted from it.

And it's fans like you that probably made Michael say he'd prefer for everyone to think he was dead, rather than continue dealing with your crap.

And he's probably laughing his ass off knowing that yokels like you make pilgrimages out to visit an empty grave.

Sucker.

You clearly have no idea who Michael was do you?

stop the arguing! everyone has there own opinion.. i think michael is still alive. i dont think he faked his death just to toy around with people as a joke and then one day reappear in a manner of "surprize! i fooled you!" no.. not like that. i think there is a much deeper meaning to the reason why he did it (if infact he did) and a lot of things going on that we dont know about.. if michael is alive i do believe he will comeback, because yes, i do believe that there is a deeper meaning to all of this, however Michael made sure to leave us with things to show us he was alright and to have hope.

im not going to bash anyone for thinking michaels dead, because obviously i know im the one who looks like a wack job here.lol. but i really do think the truth will prevail... whatever it is, whether he is dead or alive...we will eventually know what really happened, and whats really going on.

aardvark15 said:

Dren5 said:

I'm saner than you, probably.

And Michael is alive. FACT. He's just as alive as you or I am right now.

Either you believe it or you don't. I'm not that concerned or emotionally invested in your opinion either way, but for you to try and personally attack me for it is in incredibly poor taste and says a lot about your character (or lack thereof).

And then MJ fans always wonder why the world at large views them as a collective punchline. Because most of you guys are assholes. You just proved it with the above post.

He's not dead. Period. If you wanted to place a bet on it, I would, and I'd bet almost all my belongings and money on said bet. Which says alot, because I'm really in no position to be betting anything for any reason. That alone should tell you that I'm absolutely certain that he's not dead.

Now...if you wanna go over to a graveyard to mourn at an empty grave, that's you. I know better. He's not dead, he just went underground (and not in a literal sense). That's it, and that's all.

Don't you think it's very hypocritical to tell Mjscarousal to not hate on your opinion but then to bash his opinion right after?

BTW He died. That's the way I feel about this horrible situation and I think we should move on to something else

You don't read very well, do you.

I bashed how she expressed her opinion, not the opinion itself. In fact I made clear to say explicitly - multiple times - that she was entitled to think whatever she likes.

I'm sure you mean well by trying to play Superman, but you aren't very good at it, and should probably save it for someone who deserves it. This person, doesn't.

And..

No, he's not dead. Just like you said, it's the way you 'feel'. What is real and what we 'feel' to be real, can be two different things entirely and it is in this case.

dm3857 said:

stop the arguing! everyone has there own opinion.. i think michael is still alive. i dont think he faked his death just to toy around with people as a joke and then one day reappear in a manner of "surprize! i fooled you!" no.. not like that. i think there is a much deeper meaning to the reason why he did it (if infact he did) and a lot of things going on that we dont know about.. if michael is alive i do believe he will comeback, because yes, i do believe that there is a deeper meaning to all of this, however Michael made sure to leave us with things to show us he was alright and to have hope.

im not going to bash anyone for thinking michaels dead, because obviously i know im the one who looks like a wack job here.lol. but i really do think the truth will prevail... whatever it is, whether he is dead or alive...we will eventually know what really happened, and whats really going on.

Of COURSE he had to have had a serious, legitimate reason for doing it. No one would just jump up and let everyone think they died unless there was a damn good reason for it.

And...I don't think that believing he's still alive is necessarily a crazy thing to think. No one's saying he died and came back to life. We're saying that maybe the media provided account of things isn't true and that he never died in the first place. Sounds pretty rational to me.

I actually think it's more of a 'wack job' thing to immediately assume that any other possibilities are bullshit.