TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

I think that contributed to James Brown's downfall actually: the fact that he wasn't hot anymore. I'm sure he was pissed when Bootsy, Catfish, Fred and Maceo went to George Clinton and 'em and got more popular.

Well he probaly could've kept some folks if he'd paid them and been less of a tyrant. Sometime folks can get caught up in thing they are the end all to be all, NOT. Go ask Berry Gordy.

Yup! But see that's why his success didn't last as long also. He couldn't keep his behavior, attitude and ego in check. He whupped Tammi Terrell's ass because he felt she was out of line, she went on to sing the most beautiful duets with Marvin and Marvin almost went postal on his ass for messing with Tammi.

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Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

Well he probaly could've kept some folks if he'd paid them and been less of a tyrant. Sometime folks can get caught up in think they are the end all to be all, NOT. Go ask Berry Gordy.

Yup! But see that's why his success didn't last as long also. He couldn't keep his behavior, attitude and ego in check. He whupped Tammi Terrell's ass because he felt she was out of line, she went on to sing the most beautiful duets with Marvin and Marvin almost went postal on his ass for messing with Tammi.

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"The Great Payback"

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yup! But see that's why his success didn't last as long also. He couldn't keep his behavior, attitude and ego in check. He whupped Tammi Terrell's ass because he felt she was out of line, she went on to sing the most beautiful duets with Marvin and Marvin almost went postal on his ass for messing with Tammi.

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"The Great Payback"

Kinda ironic it was James who came up with "The Payback" and yet all those guys he worked and had problems with left and still enjoyed success (some of them anyway lol).

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

"The Great Payback"

Kinda ironic it was James who came up with "The Payback" and yet all those guys he worked and had problems with left and still enjoyed success (some of them anyway lol).

Yep. A different time no doubt but folks were waiting in the wings to replace yo' azz. A lot of the artist of that time kept going (most times to their detrment) out of fear of some taking their spot. It really did matter who you were or thought you were, the talent pool was 6 deep.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

Kinda ironic it was James who came up with "The Payback" and yet all those guys he worked and had problems with left and still enjoyed success (some of them anyway lol).

Yep. A different time no doubt but folks were waiting in the wings to replace yo' azz. A lot of the artist of that time kept going (most times to their detrment) out of fear of some taking their spot. It really did matter who you were or thought you were, the talent pool was 6 deep.

Right there and sometimes it also mattered of the company you kept, like if you had a manager that was managing you and fucked you up, there was no way for you to come back even halfway. Someone mentioned James not having good management and that definitely played a role. Matter of fact a lot of shit was going down that fucked with James.

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

Yep. A different time no doubt but folks were waiting in the wings to replace yo' azz. A lot of the artist of that time kept going (most times to their detrment) out of fear of some taking their spot. It really did matter who you were or thought you were, the talent pool was 6 deep.

Right there and sometimes it also mattered of the company you kept, like if you had a manager that was managing you and fucked you up, there was no way for you to come back even halfway. Someone mentioned James not having good management and that definitely played a role. Matter of fact a lot of shit was going down that fucked with James.

It appears at that time Brown who was pretty disciplined started to come unhinged, what lead to this, I'm not sure. Again a number of factors I would guess.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

Right there and sometimes it also mattered of the company you kept, like if you had a manager that was managing you and fucked you up, there was no way for you to come back even halfway. Someone mentioned James not having good management and that definitely played a role. Matter of fact a lot of shit was going down that fucked with James.

It appears at that time Brown who was pretty disciplined started to come unhinged, what lead to this, I'm not sure. Again a number of factors I would guess.

If you believe certain people, James started to get hooked on angel dust anywhere around the late '60s, mid '70s, late '70s or early '80s...

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

It appears at that time Brown who was pretty disciplined started to come unhinged, what lead to this, I'm not sure. Again a number of factors I would guess.

If you believe certain people, James started to get hooked on angel dust anywhere around the late '60s, mid '70s, late '70s or early '80s...

Of all things dust... most folks don't come back from that mess.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

If you believe certain people, James started to get hooked on angel dust anywhere around the late '60s, mid '70s, late '70s or early '80s...

Of all things dust... most folks don't come back from that mess.

Yeah especially considering once you're shown on that stuff (as he was in '88), it further ruins your rep... James probably had no idea before he died that his angel dust-fueled interview went viral. It's funny to watch but sad at the same time considering how steep his fall was.

TD3 said:

I called up one of the veteran DJ's in Chi-Town... aka Clara Box.

A familiar name

She still on the air?

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

If you believe certain people, James started to get hooked on angel dust anywhere around the late '60s, mid '70s, late '70s or early '80s...

Of all things dust... most folks don't come back from that mess.

Bootsy stated one time, "Man!!, He waited til he was in his 50's to get on that mess".....

Meaning JB that is

HuMpThAnG said:

TD3 said:

Of all things dust... most folks don't come back from that mess.

Bootsy stated one time, "Man!!, He waited til he was in his 50's to get on that mess".....

Meaning JB that is

So it was early '80s.