So I watched this again and I had no idea that Pac was only with Deathrow nine months before his death so sad-he just made the wrong move and who was the congress woman who supposedly caused Tupac all this drama and animosity that his friends say got him killed? When folks speak of Cold Cases I think this is the one that needs to be solved Wow how could both deaths still be unsolved? I know we've talked about it, but it's still sad.

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OMG and when the lady speaks about his last pic and the expression less look he had on his face

If Sug was uninvolved with Tupac's death and the mafia was uninvolved with Biggies's death that just leaves the CIA/FBI imho. Pac could be considered a political agitator and Biggie could be considered a community activist. I think that even in 2012, a black man can only go so far and make so much money before the powers that be take him out. Now before anyone goes bringing up Obama lets remember that he is so bipartisan till it makes you choke. He is neither wholly Democrat or republican and tries too hard to please both. Plus he is not in touch with the poor and humble. Biggie and Pac reached out to underserved communities and talked about what was going on in the streets. Pac wanted goverment intervention for the unemployment, drugs and poor housing and he was ready to do something about it even if the politicians weren't. I know it sounds all conspiracy theory but I don't believe in cold cases. Every case can be solved if people really want to solve them.

nursev said:

OMG and when the lady speaks about his last pic and the expression less look he had on his face

yeah that was messed up.

HotGritz said:

If Sug was uninvolved with Tupac's death and the mafia was uninvolved with Biggies's death that just leaves the CIA/FBI imho. Pac could be considered a political agitator and Biggie could be considered a community activist. I think that even in 2012, a black man can only go so far and make so much money before the powers that be take him out. Now before anyone goes bringing up Obama lets remember that he is so bipartisan till it makes you choke. He is neither wholly Democrat or republican and tries too hard to please both. Plus he is not in touch with the poor and humble. Biggie and Pac reached out to underserved communities and talked about what was going on in the streets. Pac wanted goverment intervention for the unemployment, drugs and poor housing and he was ready to do something about it even if the politicians weren't. I know it sounds all conspiracy theory but I don't believe in cold cases. Every case can be solved if people really want to solve them.

Agreed-I think he got to the point where he was educating the masses, but still doing the "thug life" thing and the powers that be saw him as a threat I think he was too smart for them an "educated street thug" trying to help people and folks didn't like that. I think Pac and Big's death are way bigger than Suge and Diddy-there's some political shit involved.

I know that his mother was an activist and did all she could for his memory, but why was she not beating people's doors down years ago for justice for her son? I think she knows there is more to his death

What was going on with Pac and Suge during the last few weeks were very contentious. I still believe a reason behind 2Pac's death was that Suge feared Pac leaving Death Row with the master tapes and therefore he hired some folks to do his dirty job. Of course folks would ask "well if he set someone up, why was he hit with the gun too?" There's guys who sometimes tell folks "yeah make it seem like I'm also getting attacked." Hence why he got hit too. Even then I don't even think Pac quite knew what was going on. Remember, the guy told his men to leave their guns at the hotel and leave Pac without his bulletproof vest.

Most of these Pac documentaries always end in not such a good light for Suge.

Timmy84 said:

What was going on with Pac and Suge during the last few weeks were very contentious. I still believe a reason behind 2Pac's death was that Suge feared Pac leaving Death Row with the master tapes and therefore he hired some folks to do his dirty job. Of course folks would ask "well if he set someone up, why was he hit with the gun too?" There's guys who sometimes tell folks "yeah make it seem like I'm also getting attacked." Hence why he got hit too. Even then I don't even think Pac quite knew what was going on. Remember, the guy told his men to leave their guns at the hotel and leave Pac without his bulletproof vest.

Most of these Pac documentaries always end in not such a good light for Suge.

Yeah I remember the vest detail and that Suge was hit. I do believe he was involved, but I think there is something political too. Pac was telling people things that made politicians and law enforcement look bad and u know how that goes.

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

What was going on with Pac and Suge during the last few weeks were very contentious. I still believe a reason behind 2Pac's death was that Suge feared Pac leaving Death Row with the master tapes and therefore he hired some folks to do his dirty job. Of course folks would ask "well if he set someone up, why was he hit with the gun too?" There's guys who sometimes tell folks "yeah make it seem like I'm also getting attacked." Hence why he got hit too. Even then I don't even think Pac quite knew what was going on. Remember, the guy told his men to leave their guns at the hotel and leave Pac without his bulletproof vest.

Most of these Pac documentaries always end in not such a good light for Suge.

Yeah I remember the vest detail and that Suge was hit. I do believe he was involved, but I think there is something political too. Pac was telling people things that made politicians and law enforcement look bad and u know how that goes.

I don't totally dismiss that theory but I think it's more complex than to think the government was involved in it though 2Pac wasn't what you would consider an ally of them. Suge and his goons set him up but then again so did Pac's own ignorance because he knew there was a chance he could get got and he still chose his fate to hang out with Suge that fateful weekend.

Timmy84 said:

nursev said:

Yeah I remember the vest detail and that Suge was hit. I do believe he was involved, but I think there is something political too. Pac was telling people things that made politicians and law enforcement look bad and u know how that goes.

I don't totally dismiss that theory but I think it's more complex than to think the government was involved in it though 2Pac wasn't what you would consider an ally of them. Suge and his goons set him up but then again so did Pac's own ignorance because he knew there was a chance he could get got and he still chose his fate to hang out with Suge that fateful weekend.

Ur right-he knew and still chose that path. Wonder how his life woulda turned out if he never signed that contract and just did his time?

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't totally dismiss that theory but I think it's more complex than to think the government was involved in it though 2Pac wasn't what you would consider an ally of them. Suge and his goons set him up but then again so did Pac's own ignorance because he knew there was a chance he could get got and he still chose his fate to hang out with Suge that fateful weekend.

Ur right-he knew and still chose that path. Wonder how his life woulda turned out if he never signed that contract and just did his time?

I wonder too. The way his bio is you think he planned his own life story and he knew how it was gonna end.

Timmy84 said:

nursev said:

Ur right-he knew and still chose that path. Wonder how his life woulda turned out if he never signed that contract and just did his time?

I wonder too. The way his bio is you think he planned his own life story and he knew how it was gonna end.

Damn-it's all just so cold when you really think about it and yeah the way it goes it seems that way.

The mythology surrounding this guy is ridiculous. Iam a fan of his but his estate has milked him and then some.

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

What was going on with Pac and Suge during the last few weeks were very contentious. I still believe a reason behind 2Pac's death was that Suge feared Pac leaving Death Row with the master tapes and therefore he hired some folks to do his dirty job. Of course folks would ask "well if he set someone up, why was he hit with the gun too?" There's guys who sometimes tell folks "yeah make it seem like I'm also getting attacked." Hence why he got hit too. Even then I don't even think Pac quite knew what was going on. Remember, the guy told his men to leave their guns at the hotel and leave Pac without his bulletproof vest.

Most of these Pac documentaries always end in not such a good light for Suge.

Yeah I remember the vest detail and that Suge was hit. I do believe he was involved, but I think there is something political too. Pac was telling people things that made politicians and law enforcement look bad and u know how that goes.

And you know everytime Sug gets shot its always a non-lethal wound. He gets grazed or gets shot in his blubber. This ninja never take a hit to a vital organ and never ends up in the hospital for more than a day or two. I find that suspect.

HotGritz said:

nursev said:

Yeah I remember the vest detail and that Suge was hit. I do believe he was involved, but I think there is something political too. Pac was telling people things that made politicians and law enforcement look bad and u know how that goes.

And you know everytime Sug gets shot its always a non-lethal wound. He gets grazed or gets shot in his blubber. This ninja never take a hit to a vital organ and never ends up in the hospital for more than a day or two. I find that suspect.

Truly suspect I mean this muthafucka was in the car and only got "grazed." Shit is so foul. I hope one day somebody will have the guts to give info to solve this and get justice for Pac and Big.

The political thing doesn't ring true. I don't believe either Pac or Biggie was considered any kind of threat to the social order. It's not the sixties and neither one is exactly Fred Hampton or Huey Newton.

It strikes me as being the same kind of beef & response that still gets young kids murdered in South LA today. Straight up thug rivalry.

bobzilla77 said:

The political thing doesn't ring true. I don't believe either Pac or Biggie was considered any kind of threat to the social order. It's not the sixties and neither one is exactly Fred Hampton or Huey Newton.

It strikes me as being the same kind of beef & response that still gets young kids murdered in South LA today. Straight up thug rivalry.

Thug mess claimed both of em

bobzilla77 said:

The political thing doesn't ring true. I don't believe either Pac or Biggie was considered any kind of threat to the social order. It's not the sixties and neither one is exactly Fred Hampton or Huey Newton.

It strikes me as being the same kind of beef & response that still gets young kids murdered in South LA today. Straight up thug rivalry.

Pac had potential to be a Huey Newton and was very much inspired by him. That was mentioned on one of those Tupac documentaries. Seems like there are 4 or 5 of them out there.

bobzilla77 said:

The political thing doesn't ring true. I don't believe either Pac or Biggie was considered any kind of threat to the social order. It's not the sixties and neither one is exactly Fred Hampton or Huey Newton.

It strikes me as being the same kind of beef & response that still gets young kids murdered in South LA today. Straight up thug rivalry.

I agree. BIG was more of a businessman than a social leader...as was Pac in a sense. He talked a lot (and lots he talked about I agreed with least socially) but he wasn't saying nothing.

bobzilla77 said:

The political thing doesn't ring true. I don't believe either Pac or Biggie was considered any kind of threat to the social order. It's not the sixties and neither one is exactly Fred Hampton or Huey Newton.

It strikes me as being the same kind of beef & response that still gets young kids murdered in South LA today. Straight up thug rivalry.

Actually Tupac came from a long line of revolutionaries (basically the entire Shakur family), many of whom are still in hiding or in jail, like Asssta Shakur, his stepfather Mutulu Shakur and his godfather Geronimo Pratt who died last year. Pac himself was the chairman of the New Afrikan Panthers.

I firmly believe he was taken out for being a threat. I believe he was set up for the rape charge and the first shooting too. Pac was always a target. If you talk to his friends and family, as I do, they would tell you the same thing.

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His own "boys" set him up in all those events you mentioned: rape allegation, the Quad shooting, his death, etc. I think it was a set up from the music industry. 2Pac was too much outspoken for even hip-hop to manage. It's no wonder Pac was paranoid in the last 18 months of his life.

Timmy84 said:

His own "boys" set him up in all those events you mentioned: rape allegation, the Quad shooting, his death, etc. I think it was a set up from the music industry. 2Pac was too much outspoken for even hip-hop to manage. It's no wonder Pac was paranoid in the last 18 months of his life.

Haitian Jack and Jimmy Henchman. But if you look into their histories there's all kinds of shadiness. Not unlikely that they would do a deal with their feds to set up 'Pac in order to get off the hook for some of their own crimes.

With regards to Jack, this is worth a read:

http://spizzyblog.com/201...more-21190

Militant said:

Timmy84 said:

His own "boys" set him up in all those events you mentioned: rape allegation, the Quad shooting, his death, etc. I think it was a set up from the music industry. 2Pac was too much outspoken for even hip-hop to manage. It's no wonder Pac was paranoid in the last 18 months of his life.

Haitian Jack and Jimmy Henchman. But if you look into their histories there's all kinds of shadiness. Not unlikely that they would do a deal with their feds to set up 'Pac in order to get off the hook for some of their own crimes.

No I can believe it. I just wish 2Pac had known more about everything because it seemed like he didn't know until the deed was done. I believed him though when he said he was set up a lot of times he faced problems like that. Haitian Jack and Jimmy Henchman both were suspect and Suge was also buddies with the feds.

Militant said:

bobzilla77 said:

The political thing doesn't ring true. I don't believe either Pac or Biggie was considered any kind of threat to the social order. It's not the sixties and neither one is exactly Fred Hampton or Huey Newton.

It strikes me as being the same kind of beef & response that still gets young kids murdered in South LA today. Straight up thug rivalry.

Actually Tupac came from a long line of revolutionaries (basically the entire Shakur family), many of whom are still in hiding or in jail, like Asssta Shakur, his stepfather Mutulu Shakur and his godfather Geronimo Pratt who died last year. Pac himself was the chairman of the New Afrikan Panthers.

I firmly believe he was taken out for being a threat. I believe he was set up for the rape charge and the first shooting too. Pac was always a target. If you talk to his friends and family, as I do, they would tell you the same thing.

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Yeah I know his history. But I never heard him say anything seriously threatening to the social order whatsoever. I never saw him mobilize people to do anything.

The Panthers WERE perceived as a threat to American society, and they WERE targeted. The people still hiding have reason to hide. Maybe the Weathermen can reform and become community activists in their old age; many of the Panthers had a much much rougher time of it.

To put Tupac on that level with people who did seriously endanger their lives for defending their community feels wrong to me. I think he was killed over gangland beef.

Militant said:

bobzilla77 said:

The political thing doesn't ring true. I don't believe either Pac or Biggie was considered any kind of threat to the social order. It's not the sixties and neither one is exactly Fred Hampton or Huey Newton.

It strikes me as being the same kind of beef & response that still gets young kids murdered in South LA today. Straight up thug rivalry.

Actually Tupac came from a long line of revolutionaries (basically the entire Shakur family), many of whom are still in hiding or in jail, like Asssta Shakur, his stepfather Mutulu Shakur and his godfather Geronimo Pratt who died last year. Pac himself was the chairman of the New Afrikan Panthers.

I firmly believe he was taken out for being a threat. I believe he was set up for the rape charge and the first shooting too. Pac was always a target. If you talk to his friends and family, as I do, they would tell you the same thing.

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Revolutionary Humanist.

Militant said:

bobzilla77 said:

The political thing doesn't ring true. I don't believe either Pac or Biggie was considered any kind of threat to the social order. It's not the sixties and neither one is exactly Fred Hampton or Huey Newton.

It strikes me as being the same kind of beef & response that still gets young kids murdered in South LA today. Straight up thug rivalry.

Actually Tupac came from a long line of revolutionaries (basically the entire Shakur family), many of whom are still in hiding or in jail, like Asssta Shakur, his stepfather Mutulu Shakur and his godfather Geronimo Pratt who died last year. Pac himself was the chairman of the New Afrikan Panthers.

I firmly believe he was taken out for being a threat. I believe he was set up for the rape charge and the first shooting too. Pac was always a target. If you talk to his friends and family, as I do, they would tell you the same thing.

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I think so too-it's the only logical explanation. Yeah the gang theories have some merit, but I believe he knew too much and was letting masses know things that higher ups did not want known and they plotted and set up his murder. I think Suge Knight was the Judas who allowed and planned it. Sad that a young brother was taken like that. I'm 40 so I figure Pac woulda been 41 now and probably an activist trying to help people. Very sad.