The new album is out in a few days time and just leaked. I am about to listen to it

Any other MM fans on the org?

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Hoping it's not complete shit. I haven't copped it yet but I'll wait for your review first.

I only liked about 3 songs on Eat Me Drink Me and about the same (if not less) on High End of Low.

Every album before that, I love entirely. Holy Wood and Portrait are my fav.

Spinlight said:

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Hoping it's not complete shit. I haven't copped it yet but I'll wait for your review first.

I only liked about 3 songs on Eat Me Drink Me and about the same (if not less) on High End of Low.

Every album before that, I love entirely. Holy Wood and Portrait are my fav.

I Agree, high end of low was... an all time low for Manson. So i'd rather see reviews & reciepts that the album is good this time around

I'm thinking of purchasing it.

I'm 3/4ths of the way through it.

Happy to let you guys know that this is WAY, WAY better than "The High End of Low" and "Eat Me, Drink Me".

I liked maybe 4 songs on "The High End Of Low" and less than that on "Eat Me, Drink Me" (the worst MM album, to me). But I haven't even finished listening to this album yet and I already REALLY like at least 6 songs on here, and I like them MORE than the songs I liked on the last two albums.

Highlights so far - "No Reflection", "Pistol Whipped", "Slo-Mo-Tion", "Murderers Are Getting Prettier Every Day" and the title track.

Chris Vrenna's touch is all over this album, which is great to me, as I'm a big fan of his. If you're a longterm MM or NIN fan you'll know his name and sound Twiggy Ramirez is on fine form too

Obviously it'll take a few more listens to see where it places in the canon, but it's definitely his best work since "Holy Wood" in 2000.

I love Mazza! I hope this album is good but Imay wait a bit to read reviews and hear samples before buying it. His first album is a masterpiece!!

He's called this album his "comeback" so I think he knows he putting out higher quality work this time. Haven't heard it yet but will get it May 1.

Reznor is probably somewhere yawning and doing the 'puke face' .

Yeah, I said it...

*runs outta the thread*

Dren5 said:

Reznor is probably somewhere yawning and doing the 'puke face' .

Yeah, I said it...

*runs outta the thread*

Dren5 said:

Reznor is probably somewhere yawning and doing the 'puke face' .

Yeah, I said it...

*runs outta the thread*

Trent has a worse track record than Manson does, pound for pound.

Spinlight said:

Dren5 said:

Reznor is probably somewhere yawning and doing the 'puke face' .

Yeah, I said it...

*runs outta the thread*

Trent has a worse track record than Manson does, pound for pound.

You must be joking.

Come see me when Manson does - on his OWN - anything remotely close to Downward Spiral or Year Zero, or some of the instrumental shit on The Fragile.

Not to mention that all Manson's best shit, TRENT worked on.

The door is that way. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

Dren5 said:

Spinlight said:

Trent has a worse track record than Manson does, pound for pound.

You must be joking.

Come see me when Manson does - on his OWN - anything remotely close to Downward Spiral or Year Zero, or some of the instrumental shit on The Fragile.

Not to mention that all Manson's best shit, TRENT worked on.

The door is that way. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

I don't think Year Zero is particularly exciting. And I think The Fragile was about half-shit.

Other than With Teeth, I don't think Trent did anything that noteworthy past the good half of The Fragile. Not to mention that messy crap he did with his wife.

I love his work with Manson, though. (The 2 albums they did together, that is....)

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I used to listen to NIN a lot about ten years ago, but I just couldn't bring myself to listen to Year Zero or The Slip all throughout.

Even with the shortcomings of Manson's albums I've actually played some of his more recent songs a lot ("Evidence", for example). I don't know who is responsible for actually writing the songs, but as melodic hard rock music they've been consistently well-written. Some of Trent's attempts at "songwriting" from the previous decade just make me shake my head.

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Militant said:

Obviously it'll take a few more listens to see where it places in the canon, but it's definitely his best work since "Holy Wood" in 2000.

I quite enjoyed The Golden Age of Grotesque so for me you are setting the bar fairly high.

If we are turning this into a Manson vs. Reznor thread I am happy to play along.

I'm a bigger fan of Manson so I am biased but his run from 1996-2003 was pretty impressive. Pretty Hate Machine is probably a better album than anything that Manson has done but for me Trent was fairly patchy after that. The Downward Spiral was good but not great and I always thought it was a bit overrated. It was probably one of the most anticipated albums of the nineties and I don't think it meets those expectations. The Fragile is the cliched double album that should have been a single album. There's some great stuff on it but there are too many average tracks to warrant it being a double album. I've actually never heard With Teeth so I can not comment on it but I really like Year Zero. I would rate it as superior to The Downward Spiral but not quite as good as Pretty Hate Machine.

I don't really care for Manson's early stuff but starting with Antichrist Superstar he made some very strong albums. I like Eat Me, Drink Me more than most people but it was clearly a step down from the four albums that immediately preceded it. I still have not heard The High End of Low so I can not comment on it.

Reznor probably has higher highs but he never put together a run as consistently great as what Manson did circa 1996-2003.

rialb said:

If we are turning this into a Manson vs. Reznor thread I am happy to play along.

I'm a bigger fan of Manson so I am biased but his run from 1996-2003 was pretty impressive. Pretty Hate Machine is probably a better album than anything that Manson has done but for me Trent was fairly patchy after that. The Downward Spiral was good but not great and I always thought it was a bit overrated. It was probably one of the most anticipated albums of the nineties and I don't think it meets those expectations. The Fragile is the cliched double album that should have been a single album. There's some great stuff on it but there are too many average tracks to warrant it being a double album. I've actually never heard With Teeth so I can not comment on it but I really like Year Zero. I would rate it as superior to The Downward Spiral but not quite as good as Pretty Hate Machine.

I don't really care for Manson's early stuff but starting with Antichrist Superstar he made some very strong albums. I like Eat Me, Drink Me more than most people but it was clearly a step down from the four albums that immediately preceded it. I still have not heard The High End of Low so I can not comment on it.

Reznor probably has higher highs but he never put together a run as consistently great as what Manson did circa 1996-2003.

I have to say The Fragile has some of Trent's best work but also some of his worst/: and the Dr. Dre produced track... NEXT

Year Zero is my 2nd fav after PHM so... i agre with you on a lot of points here

I also dig Grotsque, it's like metal music... with not rado friendly lyrics, but has like this pop chorus on a lot of it. Slutgarden, Kaboom, Saint.. could easily be popped songs if toned down a little. It's a weird sound and i dig it.

rialb said:

If we are turning this into a Manson vs. Reznor thread I am happy to play along.

I'm a bigger fan of Manson so I am biased but his run from 1996-2003 was pretty impressive. Pretty Hate Machine is probably a better album than anything that Manson has done but for me Trent was fairly patchy after that. The Downward Spiral was good but not great and I always thought it was a bit overrated. It was probably one of the most anticipated albums of the nineties and I don't think it meets those expectations. The Fragile is the cliched double album that should have been a single album. There's some great stuff on it but there are too many average tracks to warrant it being a double album. I've actually never heard With Teeth so I can not comment on it but I really like Year Zero. I would rate it as superior to The Downward Spiral but not quite as good as Pretty Hate Machine.

I don't really care for Manson's early stuff but starting with Antichrist Superstar he made some very strong albums. I like Eat Me, Drink Me more than most people but it was clearly a step down from the four albums that immediately preceded it. I still have not heard The High End of Low so I can not comment on it.

Reznor probably has higher highs but he never put together a run as consistently great as what Manson did circa 1996-2003.

I surely love PHM. That is my favorite NIN album, the next being With Teeth. I really only enjoyed half of The Fragile and Downward Spiral isn't something I listen to on the regular.

None of the rest of his material (outside some one offs like "Dead Souls") is digestible enough for me. I tried to like The Slip because it got rave reviews, but to me it was just a continuation of the bad aspects of Downward Spiral and The Fragile - overly dense compositions with his same-y vocals sparsely strung together. Not my cup of tea. He's better when he remembers to be melodic and not rambling.

With Manson, there's 2 albums I don't like - Eat Me and High End. They're pretty terrible albums to me. I really love "Evidence" and "You and Me and the Devil Makes 3" and "Armagoddamnmotherfuckinggeddon" and "Devour You". That's it. The rest is so middling to me that I'm convinced he lost his mojo when his band started falling apart. When the one constant is Ginger Fish, someone who didn't contribute to any writing, you know the records are gonna suffer.

I also think he was out of his mind on drugs for a while after his divorce. Anyway I digress.

I hope this new album is a return to form. As someone else said, as far as melodic rock goes Manson is responsible for a lot of great stuff. I've certainly missed him.

I ceratinley will be trying this before I buy it as I think his last clutch of releases have been very average.

I'm not getting into the Manson v Reznor debate, ill be here all day.

Thanks for the tip off Militant.

whas the final tally militant?

I'm a much bigger NIN fan than a MM fan.

Strangely enough though, my favorite MM material is the stuff Trent didn't have anything to do with - most notably, Mechanical Animals and Holy Wood.

Trent is one of those guys that can pull it all out of the hat when he's inspired. Year Zero is my second favorite NIN album, after Pretty Hate Machine. For me, Trent was firing on all cylinders with Year Zero, the music and the whole concept. I really like The Slip a lot too.

With Teeth was a miss for me. No cohesion and half of it is NIN-by-numbers. That said, "The Hand That Feeds" and "Every Day Is Exactly The Same" rank up there with his best songs. I like The Fragile a LOT more even though it's not cohesive at all.

Gunsnhalen, I gotta correct you on something though. "Even Deeper" was not produced by Dr. Dre. That track was written and produced by Trent and Danny Lohner.

Dre is credited with "mixing assistance". I'm intimately familiar on a mix level with both Trent and Dre's work, and to my ears, Dre helped mix the drums and the bass on this track and not much more. And I don't know how you can be a NIN fan and not like this song, it's a classic!!!

But back to Manson - I did like "The Golden Age of Grotesque" - but as a whole, it's a mediocre album when compared to MM's best work. I think "Born Villain" is better.

Dren5 - honestly, I hope Trent hears this album, realises MM has finally stepped back up the plate and releases a killer new NIN album. Perhaps "The Slip" will be to the new album what "Broken" was to "The Downward Spiral"

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luvsexy4all said:

whas the final tally militant?

14 songs on the album. I REALLY like 7 of them. I quite like another 3. And the other 4 I didn't much care for, but they may well grow on me. Need more listens. I'm listening again now.

All in all, best album since "Holy Wood" and a definite return to form. It's not groundbreaking, and I wouldn't say there's anything here he hasn't done before, but what there is, is a very very solid set of songs that work individually and as a cohesive album set.

I listened to the album yesterday while I worked out (I figured it would get me hyped up to tackle shoulders and legs). Unfortunately I felt it was just continuing down the same path that The High End of Low was going albeit slightly better. There wasn't much continuity or cohesion with the album, just a bunch of songs. Every Manson record has always had some sore of theme. Maybe I need to give it another go, but it just doesn't seem like he has progressed at all. Give me some more weird shit!!!

Oh and this whole debate between NIN and Manson, NIN wins this hands down (better albums, themes, music, etc).

Here is how I rate the Manson records:

Anti-Christ - definitely his best album period

Mechanical Animals

Holywood - this album is so underrated (President Dead, Valentine's Day, King Kill 33)

Golden Age - Para-Noir is fucking amazing

Portrait - Wrapped in plastic makes this record

Eat Me Drink Me - If I was your vampire is a dope song

Born Villain

The high end of Low

I'll probably check this out (spotify)...

but, his post-Holy Wood albums have been so disappointing, unessential, weird and/or bland, that I don't know what to think, I mean, I don't know if he even deserves to release another album, unless it's bloody GREAT (which I doubt)...

I refuse to say anything about the silly NiN vs Manson argument

ok, I'll play: both acts had their peak, but now it's clearly NiN (Trent) who at least maintains a decent level of quality/respectability/popularity...

"Pistol Whipped" is fuckin cool.

folks, Manson is a relic of the 96-01 era

face it, lol

I still remember 96/97, when he was the BEST and most DANGEROUS modern-heavy/metal act out there...

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JoeTyler said:

folks, Manson is a relic of the 96-03 era

face it, lol

Don't be retarded.

Spinlight said:

JoeTyler said:

folks, Manson is a relic of the 96-03 era

face it, lol

Don't be retarded.

look who's talking

JoeTyler said:

Spinlight said:

Don't be retarded.

look who's talking

I don't care what that's supposed to mean. Just save your relic-talk for some youtube comment sections or something. Zzzz.

Spinlight said:

JoeTyler said:

look who's talking

I don't care what that's supposed to mean.

Just save your relic-talk for some youtube comment sections or something. Zzzz.

"I'm one of the few members of the org who can't stand negative comments about the acts/bands/artists I like, acting childishly and aggressively"

that's what it means, and the second sentence of your last post pretty much confirms it

JoeTyler said:

Spinlight said:

I don't care what that's supposed to mean.

Just save your relic-talk for some youtube comment sections or something. Zzzz.

"I'm one of the few members of the org who can't stand negative comments about the acts/bands/artists I like, acting childishly and aggressively"

that's what it means, and the second sentence of your last post pretty much confirms it

So you entered a thread about a musician to shit on them? Pretty sad. But okay.