Ok, now this is something i personally used to do. And i got called out on it and i am glad i did

Ok, i guess i can somewhat be labeled a music snob at times. And i used to like instantly tell people if there was an artists i don't like that they like & when i would say ''music now sucks'' and say all this stuff it's like i was saying it as if it was true. My room mate & another friend of mine pointed this out & after that... i noticed people on the org & youtube doing it & how annoying they where

So i have to ask, what is the point in trying to prove you have such ''good'' taste? what is the point in stan wars as if the artists is paying u money personally?

I am so annoyed by going to youtube and every other fing comment'' REAL MUSIC'' ''Man this is real shit when did music start to suck?'' ''i'm 12 and listen to this, my generations music sucks'' ' ''i haven't been born yet & i listen to this & it's better!!''

I guess i just don't see the point anymore everyone has different tastes, some-day's i want to listen to long length jazz/rock pieces with 15 minute solos. Sometimes i want to listen to heavy shit & break stuff, other i want to listen to country & twang like the people in my TX town used to . or sometimes i want to just dance or laugh at silly rap lyrics.

So, what is the point in trying to prove how much better the music you listen to is? what is the point in arguing for thread after thread how much more an artist selled VS another.

Why can't we agree to disagree? you like pop, i like blues. You like Britney, i like Stevie & Bob

There is lots of good music but as many say you just have to find it, so instead of people crying like a bitch over how much music sucks me either A. DON'T LISTEN TO IT B. Find some shit you do like

Discuss

Ain't nothing worst than a music snob.

NOTHING!

AsherFierce said:

Ain't nothing worst than a music snob.

NOTHING!

Asher i love you.......................But Bey Bey is going to be coming for that my little pony weave soon if you keep talking like that

Fine..

One thing worst than a music snob is a real snob.

AsherFierce said:

Fine..

One thing worst than a music snob is a real snob.

Oh! truth.com

Proud Music Snob. But I dont listen to no shit so I can be.

lazycrockett said:

Proud Music Snob. But I dont listen to no shit so I can be.

I Conseder Katy Perry shit but u like her

You see what i mean? idc that you like her. But an artists you listen to maybe shit to another person, so idk if youc an't say u don;t listen to shti. Everyone has artists that aren't great artists but they still like them.

I LOVE Dead Or Alive & have there albusm, i know there is not artistic merit at all. But i love Petes over the top voice & the songs are cheesy fun... but i would never defend them and say they where amazing

'Music Snobs'

Well this certainly is a good place to post this because there are a lot of them on this site. Prince fans in general (and i'm one too) i've found to be quite snobby when it comes to music, although not all of course. It seems many feel real music can only apply to those who write 100% of their songs, produce, play fifty million instruments,etc. and I think that's such a narrow way of thinking.

Me personally, although I do prefer older music and have greater respect for artists who have a substantial role in the creation of their music and career, i'd like to think of myself as open minded when it comes to music. I'm not someone who thinks that all new music sucks either or is unwilling to give new music a chance. I'm not a music snob, I appreciate all kinds of music, but at the same time I'd like to think that I do have good enough taste in music that I recognize the difference between uninspired, generic "for the moment music" and quality music but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy listening to "craptastic" music .

Anyway, music, like anything is subjective. We all have our opinions. "One man's trash is another man's treasure" is something that can be applied here I think.

What I find even more annoying that music snobs though is those who base their dislike of a certain music or artist based on a personal reason instead of talent. Just bcause you dislike someone doesn't mean they aren't talented. I dislike people who have strong biases like that and wont give an artist credit where it's due and i've found that to be the case with many on music sites I go too, but that's something else altogether lol.

But the dif is I know what Katy Perry is bout. I don't consider her an artist or such. Plus I like her attitude more than I like her music. But I have a scale of snobbery.

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lazycrockett said:

But the dif is I know what Katy Perry is bout. I don't consider her an artist or such. Plus I like her attitude more than I like her music. But I have a scale of snobbery.

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I gotcha, i mean like mentioned i like DOA and if someone saw Stevie Wonder, Beethoven, Bob Dylan, megadeth and than DOA & Samantha Fox they go what?

I think a lot of people have a scale of snobbery, but as long as they don't push there opinions as facts.

Cinnamon234 said:

'Music Snobs'

Well this certainly is a good place to post this because there are a lot of them on this site. Prince fans in general (and i'm one too) i've found to be quite snobby when it comes to music, although not all of course. It seems many feel real music can only apply to those who write 100% of their songs, produce, play fifty million instruments,etc. and I think that's such a narrow way of thinking.

Me personally, although I do prefer older music and have greater respect for artists who have a substantial role in the creation of their music and career, i'd like to think of myself as open minded when it comes to music. I'm not someone who thinks that all new music sucks either or is unwilling to give new music a chance. I'm not a music snob, I appreciate all kinds of music, but at the same time I'd like to think that I do have good enough taste in music that I recognize the difference between uninspired, generic "for the moment music" and quality music but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy listening to "craptastic" music .

Anyway, music, like anything is subjective. We all have our opinions. "One man's trash is another man's treasure" is something that can be applied here I think.

What I find even more annoying that music snobs though is those who base their dislike of a certain music or artist based on a personal reason instead of talent. Just bcause you dislike someone doesn't mean they aren't talented. I dislike people who have strong biases like that and wont give an artist credit where it's due and i've found that to be the case with many on music sites I go too, but that's something else altogether lol.

This i can agree with, and i do kind of dislike when people hate an artist for a certain personal reason.

For example i am a huge fan of George Michael & Pet Shop Boys, but some people are like GM isn't he gay? nah man i can't listen to that gay shit same with PSB there weird, isn't that a homo band?

Hell a lot of people think Prince is gay and won't listen to him for that reason , i hate when oritentation plays a factor in what people listen to

I'm a huge fan of Judas Priest, but a lot of metal heads won't cry about Rob Halford being gay because JP where one of the creators of metal.. so i guess it's ok for him to be gay but they can't listen to Elton John or George Michael

Music elitist, snob, purist, I tend to judge fall into true musicians category. I'm a pianist of myself and I know it gives me a greater degree of understanding than many casual listeners. Music listeners/fans of today wouldn't know the difference between Katy Perry, Ri-Ri, Beyonce (ie disposable music) and a full course musical meal, (Stevie Wonder, Miles Davis, Earth Wind and Fire,Tony Tone Tone, DeBarge, Mint Condition, Silk, etc).

The first group I mentioned don't add anything of value to music, whilst the others are pillars of modern music.

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I never really agreed with the term music snob which generally is labeled to people who dont like POP or current music. I dont agree with it because it exactly contradicts its own meaning. Although my opinions are pretty non popular ones I like to think of myself as open minded to. I do listen to POP but selectively. My main music is the oldies specifically Soul/R&B. All music lovers have a right to listen to what they want and everyone has certain preferences. Not everyone prefers to listen to music with depth or deep meaning. Some just like the beat or like a song that they can move to.Others rather sit down and think about the message or hidden symbols behind the lyrics or appreciate the musicianship of a musician. At the end of the day its all music but yes I am one of those people who distinguishes music from REAL music.. sorry but there is a difference And while people are free to listen to what they like I think its good for people to have an understanding of the difference between accessible dance music versus music that exactly pushes the boundaries creatively and the artists dont necessarily have to be musicians per se to do this.

If someone prefers to just listen to pop music and NOTHING else what makes them any less of a music snob than someone who wants to listen to indie artists all day?

Arent they both music snobs according to the definition? Or its just indie fans who are snobs because they rather listen to music with a little more depth?

I just dont get that hyprocritisy because its kinda the same principle on both ends.

I just think its good to be open minded when it comes to music because the sky is the limit with it thats when the snob aspect comes into play but I dont think someone is a music snob if they have listened to enough of the music to forumulate their opinion on why they dont like it.

The problem with music stans sometimes is while everyone does have an opinion some stans like to downplay other artists just to make their favorite artist better. Honestly, its childish. You like who you like and they like who they like but of course people takes things personally when it comes to their favorite artist and I know I do.

Personally, I love all kinds of music (old and new) and listen to different genres. Growing up as a kid, I exactly ONLY listened to 60s,70s and 80s music but that wasnt because that was the music I just wanted to listen to... that was the music my father mostly played when I was growing up (Which is why I have a great deal of appreciation, passion and respect for it now). Then once I got to highschool I started to open more to 90s and current artists and now in college still continuing this

My ONLY issue as far as debates and forum stan wars are is when people want to past off their opinions as facts when it isnt. Also, when people rank medicore artists higher than what they exactly are in a serious music conversation (ugh I hate that). Its one thing to joke around but like when were seriously trying analyze music or artists talents, catalogues, songwriting abilities etc... I think those debates should have more mature rational input and fandoms should be put behind or to the side for those debates.

I dont see anything wrong with expressing why you prefer an artist over another or why you choose to listen to a certain kind of music over another of course done respectfully and maturely. That doesnt necessarily make you a music snob your just expressing your opinion

What IS snobbish to me personally is when people formulate opinions about artists and they havent even listen to ANY of their music to come to their conclusion about their music or when people dislike an artist because of what they choose to do in their personal life. I just think thats snobbish and ignorant honestly...

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^^^

I agree with your last paragraph. That's exactly what I said before in my previous post. I find it ignorant and closed minded as well when people write off or dismiss an artists talent based on the fact that they dislike them personally. You don't have to be a fan of someone to admit that they have talent. I also agree that it's especially stupid when people dismiss an artist without knowing much or anything about thier music or them as an artist. I don't consider those people's opinions to be credible at all tbh.

gdiminished said:

Music elitist, snob, purist, I tend to judge fall into true musicians category. I'm a pianist of myself and I know it gives me a greater degree of understanding than many casual listeners. Music listeners/fans of today wouldn't know the difference between Katy Perry, Ri-Ri, Beyonce (ie disposable music) and a full course musical meal, (Stevie Wonder, Miles Davis, Earth Wind and Fire,Tony Tone Tone, DeBarge, Mint Condition, Silk, etc).

The first group I mentioned don't add anything of value to music, whilst the others are pillars of modern music.

[Edited 4/28/12 13:00pm]

I'm a pianist to & i had to kind of remind myself. I may know how music theroy works, and have a greater understanding. But not everyone is a music major, and some people listen to music for fun. And i mean you gotta understand & respect that,..

I love social/political music, but many people i know don't want politics in what there listening to. People have diferent reasons for liking music, and it's a bit selfish if i thought higher of myself cause i know theroy & how songs work. And other don't... i mean if someone is a salesman, a doctor, a fry cook or lawyer doesn't HAVE to know about jazz augmented 7 chords or half diminished minor chords:P

Anytime, i have to deal with a Music Snobs. I do the following.

for example lets say he or she is talking smack about...Eurythmics!

they say eurythmics are so "blah blah"

i am looking at then, and it looks like to the outsider that i am listening.

but really, in my head i keep hearing the chorus of "Sweet Dreams"

in order words, just smile and pretend you're listening...they go away eventually.

[Edited 4/28/12 15:38pm]

Gunsnhalen said:

Ok, now this is something i personally used to do. And i got called out on it and i am glad i did

Ok, i guess i can somewhat be labeled a music snob at times. And i used to like instantly tell people if there was an artists i don't like that they like & when i would say ''music now sucks'' and say all this stuff it's like i was saying it as if it was true. My room mate & another friend of mine pointed this out & after that... i noticed people on the org & youtube doing it & how annoying they where

So i have to ask, what is the point in trying to prove you have such ''good'' taste? what is the point in stan wars as if the artists is paying u money personally?

I am so annoyed by going to youtube and every other fing comment'' REAL MUSIC'' ''Man this is real shit when did music start to suck?'' ''i'm 12 and listen to this, my generations music sucks'' ' ''i haven't been born yet & i listen to this & it's better!!''

I guess i just don't see the point anymore everyone has different tastes, some-day's i want to listen to long length jazz/rock pieces with 15 minute solos. Sometimes i want to listen to heavy shit & break stuff, other i want to listen to country & twang like the people in my TX town used to . or sometimes i want to just dance or laugh at silly rap lyrics.

So, what is the point in trying to prove how much better the music you listen to is? what is the point in arguing for thread after thread how much more an artist selled VS another.

Why can't we agree to disagree? you like pop, i like blues. You like Britney, i like Stevie & Bob

There is lots of good music but as many say you just have to find it, so instead of people crying like a bitch over how much music sucks me either A. DON'T LISTEN TO IT B. Find some shit you do like

Discuss

Well i agree with you but part of what i feel is that some of us, alot of us (see im not sure of everyones era of getting into music) but it does mean something more to you from different era's. Now true their is good and bad in all eras etc....but that to me seems to be the excuse people come up with, but to me U can say that one time had better artists than others? I mean i dont see that is being a snob per say, i see that as paying homage to what came before and trying to at least point that out. NOW i agree that alot of stuff gets dismissed nowadays by not even listening to albums, i hear people all the time say i heard the snippets on Itunes and it sucks, really? a 30 second clip is your judgement, to me that is in a way snobbery. My favorite band a-ha released an album in 2005 called "Analogue" and the first time i heard it was with 30 second snippets on their website, people were shaping reviews off of it, and i was even questioning the album myself, till i owned it and listened to it 10-15 times the first few days, and now to me its one of their best recordings. POINT being i think there is just WAY TOO MUCH judgement over soundbites and samples and youtube clips etc....To me all the artists i like from back in the day that still record today, would never have survived in this climate today, where everything is labeled everything is about "sales" still!! and no one is talking about an album anymore, very rarely.

Now i have gotten labelled many times because about 7 years ago, i posted three times about Model/Singer Cassie being gorgeous, now everytime she makes a move people on this forum lump me into the thread, and i actually searched all the threads on her since she came out, and their were about 30 and 4 were started by me, and none were about music. So i also just think that people dont Fu***ng read, i posted loads of artists but we all seem to jump back to rihanna and beyonce. So honestly i rarely start topics anymore for the constant reviews of "this is trash" this is boring etc...and then see that same person posting about Lady Gaga or someone else on that level.

SO u are right everyone has tastes, but i would also say if U like a rihanna song, that doesnt mean you have bad taste in music, Cassie's "King of Hearts" is a hot track, sorry but she outdid the other little pop chicks with an underground record and video, but again if you say that you are somehow accused of saying "oh shes a great artist" no, liking a catchy track or hot video is not saying that this person is an artist, to me you have to earn that title, to me you need to record a catalog of albums and tour the world etc...before you earn that "title" and i dont think saying that is being a snob, im just saying that to me "music" and the craft of writing is something i think is very serious, but at the same time, there are some catchy songs that are just catchy, there is a seperate world for these things to co-exist.

I don't shove my taste on anybody's throat and I ain't trying to convert nobody into listening to my stuff (mostly because I don't like folks to be borrowing my shit), but I also expect everybody else to treat me as such. Fair enough, right? Big mistake. Because some folks are like sheep, they can't carry on in their daily routine without some "groupthink" function that will give them directions, and they expect everybody on planet earth to follow suit just because.

SO,,,

Guess what? I got called a "music snob" anyway Why you ask? Because a co-worker was damn near on the verge of having an orgasm when "Birthday Cake" came out, while I looked like I ran out of fucks to give. I decided to leave it alone, because most people I know are just causal listeners, but this woman kept pressing me, like how DARE I to even wince when she played this from her Iphone? When she saw that throwing "hater" didn't work, she decided to resort to the "you're just a music snob"

I shrugged. If thats supposed to be an insult, I sure as hell read it the other way around. I think you need to get a "Fuck you if you don't like it" dose and tell your friends that you can't help it if you have high standards on what you like to listen to. They can get over it, or not, for all you should care.

I already told mine, and they know better than to mess with my car stereo whenever they're with me

[Edited 4/28/12 20:06pm]

I've always considered a music snob to be somebody who likes one particular type of music (usually classic rock), and thinks all other music is terrible (often stating their opinions as facts), without even giving the music a fair chance.

I don't get along with people who only like one genre of music, or who only like "black music" (which is a lot of people on this site). But to me, not liking what's on the radio doesn't make you a music snob, if you actually listened to it without prejudice.

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CrabalockerFishwife said:

or who only like "black music"

That's a little different though. I think it's more of a culture thing. Black people are likely to listen to listen to black music just like white people are more likely to listen to "white music".

smoothcriminal12 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

or who only like "black music"

That's a little different though. I think it's more of a culture thing. Black people are likely to listen to listen to black music just like white people are more likely to listen to "white music".

I really don't understand why a musician's race matters to people..

But I do consider it being a music snob when people say artists like Bob Dylan and The Beatles suck (usually without much knowledge of their music), and that the only artists who ever mattered are Prince, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, etc..

Here is an example from another thread:

[edited by Crabalockerfishwife]

This to me is being a music snob, as all of the musicans listed are black r&b/funk/soul artists..

[Edited 4/30/12 5:44am]

CrabalockerFishwife said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I really don't understand why a musician's race matters to people..

But I do consider it being a music snob when people say artists like Bob Dylan and The Beatles suck (usually without much knowledge of their music), and that the only artists who ever mattered are Prince, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, etc..

Here is an example from another thread:

Musical Genius:

Prince

Stevie Wonder

Ray Charles

Bootsy

Donny Hathaway

Quincy Jones (maybe)

................................that is it 4 human existence.

This to me is being a music snob, as all of the musicans listed are black r&b/funk/soul artists..

[Edited 4/28/12 20:46pm]

Really though it all boils down to preference. If Graycap prefers R&B, funk, and soul, then 99.9% of the artists on his list will be black. I don't think it's being snobbish inasmuch as it's just the style of music he prefers.

btw, I apologize if I derail this thread by mentioning race. But I do think it's snobbery if you shun music based on race or genre.

Just so we can all be clear on what a music snob is, from the dictionary:

smoothcriminal12 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Really though it all boils down to preference. If Graycap prefers R&B, funk, and soul, then 99.9% of the artists on his list will be black. I don't think it's being snobbish inasmuch as it's just the style of music he prefers.

I guess you remember that post. I left the name out so I wouldn't seem like I was trolling or cross-posting.

[edited]

I do consider someone who only likes one genre of music to be a music snob. I find it hard to believe that anyone who has given other genres a fair chance wouldn't like some rock, country, or whatever else...

[Edited 4/30/12 5:46am]

Music is music. It's truly a gift. There's something out there for everybody.

As far as the term "real music" it's used by people all the time. It's used on this board ALL THE DAMN TIME. People think they're special because they listen to 20 year old songs as opposed to Rihanna or Beyonce. I will admit that I enjoy older music more than I do recent music, but I don't shove it down peoples throat. That's an extremely lame thing to do in my eyes, and I personally wouldn't want to be friends with anyone who went on and on about how great music used to be.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Really though it all boils down to preference. If Graycap prefers R&B, funk, and soul, then 99.9% of the artists on his list will be black. I don't think it's being snobbish inasmuch as it's just the style of music he prefers.

I guess you remember that post. I left the name out so I wouldn't seem like I was trolling or cross-posting.

But by saying 'that's it for human existance', they're implying that their statement is more than their personal preference. It's snubbing all other music except a very specific type of music that person likes.

I do consider someone who only likes one genre of music to be a music snob. I find it hard to believe that anyone who has given other genres a fair chance wouldn't like some rock, country, or whatever else...

Well....you know how the org is. We have a lot of people like that here.

And yeah. As soon as I saw for written as "4", I knew it was Graycap.

Harlepolis said:

I don't shove my taste on anybody's throat and I ain't trying to convert nobody into listening to my stuff (mostly because I don't like folks to be borrowing my shit), but I also expect everybody else to treat me as such. Fair enough, right? Big mistake. Because some folks are like sheep, they can't carry on in their daily routine without some "groupthink" function that will give them directions, and they expect everybody on planet earth to follow suit just because.

SO,,,

Guess what? I got called a "music snob" anyway Why you ask? Because a co-worker was damn near on the verge of having an orgasm when "Birthday Cake" came out, while I looked like I ran out of fucks to give. I decided to leave it alone, because most people I know are just causal listeners, but this woman kept pressing me, like how DARE I to even wince when she played this from her Iphone? When she saw that throwing "hater" didn't work, she decided to resort to the "you're just a music snob"

I shrugged. If thats supposed to be an insult, I sure as hell read it the other way around. I think you need to get a "Fuck you if you don't like it" dose and tell your friends that you can't help it if you have high standards on what you like to listen to. They can get over it, or not, for all you should care.

I already told mine, and they know better than to mess with my car stereo whenever they're with me

[Edited 4/28/12 20:06pm]

First off that not letting folks borrow my shit line made me literally lol

You brought up another interesting point, i despise when people like get mad at me for something i don't dig I have gone on dates & guys will actually like give me look's of disgust when they ask if i like Britny, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Kesha etc. I will simple say no and they are like as if i just insulted the works of Mozarts Requiem Opera or Talked shit on Luciano Pavarotti

I say hey it's cool if you like it.. and they just do this look of hate, i even had a few ask me if i was really gay just cause i didn't like certain artists.. wtf

[Edited 4/28/12 21:35pm]

smoothcriminal12 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I guess you remember that post. I left the name out so I wouldn't seem like I was trolling or cross-posting.

But by saying 'that's it for human existance', they're implying that their statement is more than their personal preference. It's snubbing all other music except a very specific type of music that person likes.

I do consider someone who only likes one genre of music to be a music snob. I find it hard to believe that anyone who has given other genres a fair chance wouldn't like some rock, country, or whatever else...

Well....you know how the org is. We have a lot of people like that here.

And yeah. As soon as I saw for written as "4", I knew it was Graycap.

Smooth is actually right, while i can & i know Smooth, Timmy & others. Listen to all kinds of genres ranging from black to white to asian to mexican to middle eastern to Italion w/e

Some people will just stick with ''ONE'' type. Like a typical Rock N Roll guitarist will usually have only white players in his list of best Except Jimi hendrix cause he seems to be the exception to everything

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Gunsnhalen said:

I say hey it's cool if you like it.. and they just do this look of hate, i even had a few ask me if i was real gay just cause i didn't like certain artists.. wtf

Well, it's stereotypical gay to love dance music. But it's certainly not music snobbery to not like certain artists. It's music snobbery if you either don't give certain types of music a chance; or if you look down on those who like other types of music.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Really though it all boils down to preference. If Graycap prefers R&B, funk, and soul, then 99.9% of the artists on his list will be black. I don't think it's being snobbish inasmuch as it's just the style of music he prefers.

I guess you remember that post. I left the name out so I wouldn't seem like I was trolling or cross-posting.

But by saying 'that's it for human existance', they're implying that their statement is more than their personal preference. It's snubbing all other music except a very specific type of music that person likes.

I do consider someone who only likes one genre of music to be a music snob. I find it hard to believe that anyone who has given other genres a fair chance wouldn't like some rock, country, or whatever else...

But you're assuming that they don't like rock, country when they didn't even imply such for all you know, they might like that type of music, but they revere the artists they listed more. It could be possible.

Here's one thing you should never analyze and put a label on if you wanna live a headache-free life; you can't help what you love. Don't expect everybody to have versatile taste in music just because you and other people do. Even if they're snubbing all other music, the question is, does it affect anybody beside them? I think not.

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