mjscarousal said:

GeminiBrown said:

Ether was brutal. Takeover was meh at best. Superugly was the kind of retort you would expect from someone who was embarrassed, but too arrogant to acknowledge defeat. imo of course.

Anybody that listens to real MCs knows that Ether was better.

I dont think Ether is the best diss record ever invented but it definitly was lyrically superior than anything Jay threw at him and clearly shows Nas is lyrically more equipped than Jay who solely relies on surface punch lines while Nas as usual digs deeper and makes you think.

Some people say that Ether shows Nas obession with Jay and I dont see that. Its exactly the opposite. Jay came for him first. The point of a diss record is to diss them with factual information or using clever lines to throw stabs. Ether is a very mature, lyrically complex MC diss record.

Superugly and even Take Over is something a teenager would come back with...

Agree 100% I don't get the whole Nas being obsessed with J point of view either. J came at Nas and Nas spanked that ass...end of. I too wonder why J came at Nas to begin with. At the time I thought J was on that King of New York bs, but whatever the case J barked up the wrong tree.

the very first release of it was insane..damn iamnas forum was all over the place etc..what a moment!

purplewisdom said:

the very first release of it was insane..damn iamnas forum was all over the place etc..what a moment!

I wonder if there were server crashes the night it was released.

I just hope his new record's hot.

Timmy84 said:

purplewisdom said:

the very first release of it was insane..damn iamnas forum was all over the place etc..what a moment!

I wonder if there were server crashes the night it was released.

I just hope his new record's hot.

the forum was ram jammed..likewise with the other hiphop forums and hip hop shows..Ooooh..what an insane time.

the record was insane but not a typical nas joint.

I prefer something like NY state of mind/take in blood etc..

Nas latest joint brought a spark back..

purplewisdom said:

Timmy84 said:

I wonder if there were server crashes the night it was released.

I just hope his new record's hot.

the forum was ram jammed..likewise with the other hiphop forums and hip hop shows..Ooooh..what an insane time.

the record was insane but not a typical nas joint.

I prefer something like NY state of mind/take in blood etc..

Nas latest joint brought a spark back..

I can imagine. I was never a member of hip-hop boards like that but I can imagine how crazy the attention was.

Timmy84 said:

purplewisdom said:

the forum was ram jammed..likewise with the other hiphop forums and hip hop shows..Ooooh..what an insane time.

the record was insane but not a typical nas joint.

I prefer something like NY state of mind/take in blood etc..

Nas latest joint brought a spark back..

I can imagine. I was never a member of hip-hop boards like that but I can imagine how crazy the attention was.

It was explosive..it was like the boxing forums back then.

RKJCNE said:

Please, this is just a bunch of homophobic drivel, and a completely unnecessary rant set to a beat.

Less is more, the track goes on forever, to me Nas just ends up sounding like the one who's obsessed.

[Edited 4/23/12 5:39am]

I can't stand any of his post-Illmatic music

I'm not gonna say "Ether" sucks or is out of line or anything like that because...it depends on what Jay Z said to him first to elicit that type of reaction out of Nas.

And Nas, from the little I've seen of him on tv and his work, doesn't seem like the type that would just say stuff like that without being provoked into it. Most of his work seems to be really positive uplifting stuff, but like most people...I'm sure he has a breaking point and so he went There on him.

And if Jay Z had it coming... I don't blame Nas.

And Nas definitelly pwnd him...I was reading the Ether lyrics a few posts up and almost couldn't finish it and had to stop myself from cringing. Brutal isn't even a strong enough word.

So yeah - Nas definitely won that .

I gotta find the MTV story to this when they talk about hip-hop beefs because I forgot myself what got Nas to finally respond to him on "Ether". It did seem real personal on Nas' part even if he just made some stuff up.

popgodazipa said:

If you think great dis tracks are about making up a bunch of homophobic statements about someone then ether goes in the hall of fame. If you like your dis tracks based more in facts then you have to give the nod to JayZ. Not saying that either one was a documentary in any way... I just thought JayZ tracks had more of an authenticity to them than Nas. But I will admit that I'm in the minority on this one-mosit hip hop fans give it to Nas by TKO. [Edited 4/23/12 18:43pm]

Jay-Z's diss definitely had more of the facts right than Nas' did. That's partially why, though I love Nas' rhyming, I had to give it to Jay-Z on that back and forth. I think Nas thing was more emotional judging from his reaction to "Takeover" like "are you serious? I'm gonna fuck you up now (figuratively)."

NAS was provoked, Jay pretty much started this beef out of nowhere, Nas kept ignoring it & his people had to pretty much convince him to make Ether.

Gunsnhalen said:

NAS was provoked, Jay pretty much started this beef out of nowhere, Nas kept ignoring it & his people had to pretty much convince him to make Ether.

Yeah I kinda remember that that's what was said about why Nas made Ether in the first place. Nas definitely didn't wanna do it. The Jay-Z beef got to him so bad he almost quit!

Nas killed homie "pow-pow!"

The weakest diss I've ever heard was the Jermaine Dupri diss to Dr. Dre, the fuck was that shit, haha.

Timmy84 said:

popgodazipa said:

If you think great dis tracks are about making up a bunch of homophobic statements about someone then ether goes in the hall of fame. If you like your dis tracks based more in facts then you have to give the nod to JayZ. Not saying that either one was a documentary in any way... I just thought JayZ tracks had more of an authenticity to them than Nas. But I will admit that I'm in the minority on this one-mosit hip hop fans give it to Nas by TKO. [Edited 4/23/12 18:43pm]

Jay-Z's diss definitely had more of the facts right than Nas' did. That's partially why, though I love Nas' rhyming, I had to give it to Jay-Z on that back and forth. I think Nas thing was more emotional judging from his reaction to "Takeover" like "are you serious? I'm gonna fuck you up now (figuratively)."

Nas made a Mochery of jay and his movement..facts is cool but creativity is part of emceeing!!

Nas's ether was the baddest Reply to Jay's "get it on" battle..

let's forget about ether for a hot minute..remember when Nas dropped this insane underground retaliation ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gYPipNBcLs

Nas served them..this actually started the infamous crazy hot 97 rockafella session..!!!!!!!!

purplewisdom said:

Timmy84 said:

Jay-Z's diss definitely had more of the facts right than Nas' did. That's partially why, though I love Nas' rhyming, I had to give it to Jay-Z on that back and forth. I think Nas thing was more emotional judging from his reaction to "Takeover" like "are you serious? I'm gonna fuck you up now (figuratively)."

Nas made a Mochery of jay and his movement..facts is cool but creativity is part of emceeing!!

Nas's ether was the baddest Reply to Jay's "get it on" battle..

let's forget about ether for a hot minute..remember when Nas dropped this insane underground retaliation ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gYPipNBcLs

Nas served them..this actually started the infamous crazy hot 97 rockafella session..!!!!!!!!

I forgot about all that...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Nas killed homie "pow-pow!"

The weakest diss I've ever heard was the Jermaine Dupri diss to Dr. Dre, the fuck was that shit, haha.

Dupri dissing somebody? Come on he can barely rap. Even Katt Williams can outrap him and he dissed him not too long ago!

Dupri small as a child

If I was fucking Janet, she'd already have a child...

purplewisdom said:

Timmy84 said:

Jay-Z's diss definitely had more of the facts right than Nas' did. That's partially why, though I love Nas' rhyming, I had to give it to Jay-Z on that back and forth. I think Nas thing was more emotional judging from his reaction to "Takeover" like "are you serious? I'm gonna fuck you up now (figuratively)."

Nas made a Mochery of jay and his movement..facts is cool but creativity is part of emceeing!!

Nas's ether was the baddest Reply to Jay's "get it on" battle..

let's forget about ether for a hot minute..remember when Nas dropped this insane underground retaliation ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gYPipNBcLs

Nas served them..this actually started the infamous crazy hot 97 rockafella session..!!!!!!!!

Pretty much. All this Jay Z's was better and Nas was more homophobic is bullshit because obviously you either A) are not listening to the lyrics or B) a Jay Z stan. The lyrics are posted on the first page and Nas probably references to that once and thats pretty much it.

Nas stuck to facts as well:

Jay Z did say he was better than Biggie.

Jay Z stole some rhymes from Biggie as well

Jay Z also stole Krs Ones concept for the Blueprint and currently Death of Autotune

Jay Z DID sample one of Nas earlier beats and even mention personal meetings they had and said Jay admired him, I believe that.

Jay Z also is not a battle rapper and just makes pop shit

Jay Z is a sale out

Jay Z is not attractive

Jay Z has always been about bullshit and not on some real hip hop shit...

I think Nas was spot on with the facts...

Jay Z's wack responce to all of that was that Nas sales had dropped since his first album as to show that he dont have fans. Yea he has fans by people who listens to REAL HIP HOP. REAL HIP HOP aint playing on the radio Camel

I think Nas stuck to the facts...

Not trying to carry this thread off topic because I already post OT shit in this already but Rakim wasn't feeling what Nas did here:

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Nas killed homie "pow-pow!"

The weakest diss I've ever heard was the Jermaine Dupri diss to Dr. Dre, the fuck was that shit, haha.

Dupri dissing somebody? Come on he can barely rap. Even Katt Williams can outrap him and he dissed him not too long ago!

Dupri small as a child

If I was fucking Janet, she'd already have a child...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Dupri dissing somebody? Come on he can barely rap. Even Katt Williams can outrap him and he dissed him not too long ago!

Dupri small as a child

If I was fucking Janet, she'd already have a child...

And this is why that mothafucka's career is over.

Hot 97 served as judges when jay released super Ugly..Nas won. NY voted for Nas, the majority of the hip hop nation voted for nas. Memphis Bleek gave an interview about how jay felt super hurt when he heard Ether..This was already established that Jay felt very hurt about that one. Blue Print 2 made it more obvious how Jay was hurt..

The Take Over was a dope song and better song than ether..

I believe Jay won by leaving condoms on the baby seat.

And didn't Nas end up signing with the Roc anyway?

So yeah, Nas may have won the battle (arguable), but Jay won the war....

[Edited 4/23/12 19:17pm]

Timmy84 said:

Not trying to carry this thread off topic because I already post OT shit in this already but Rakim wasn't feeling what Nas did here:

Rakim made another statement reagrding this..so forget that!!!

purplewisdom said:

Hot 97 served as judges when jay released super Ugly..Nas won. NY voted for Nas, the majority of the hip hop nation voted for nas. Memphis Bleek gave an interview about how jay felt super hurt when he heard Ether..This was already established that Jay felt very hurt about that one. Blue Print 2 made it more obvious how Jay was hurt..

The Take Over was a dope song and better song than ether..

Jay Z- Take Over

R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit
Memphis Bleek, we runnin this rap shit
B. Mac, we runnin this rap shit
Freeway, we run this rap shit
O & Sparks, we runnin this rap shit
Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap shit

The takeover, the break's over nigga
God MC, me, Jay-Hova
Hey lil' soldier you ain't ready for war
R.O.C. too strong for y'all
It's like bringin a knife to a gunfight, pen to a test
Your chest in the line of fire witcha thin-ass vest
You bringin them Boyz II Men, HOW them boys gon' win?
This is grown man BIA, get you rolled into triage
Beatch - your reach ain't long enough, dunny
Your peeps ain't strong enough, fucka
Roc-A-Fella is the army, better yet the navy
Niggaz'll kidnap your babies, spit at your lady
We bring - knife to fistfight, kill your drama
Uh, we kill you motherfuckin ants with a sledgehammer
Don't let me do it to you dunny cause I overdo it
So you won't confuse it with just rap music

R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit
M-Easy, we runnin this rap shit
The Broad Street Bully, we runnin this rap shit
Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it
Freeway, we runnin this rap shit
O & Sparks, we runnin this rap shit
Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap shit
{*"Watch out!! We run New York" -> KRS-One*}

I don't care if you Mobb Deep, I hold triggers to crews
You little FUCK, I've got money stacks bigger than you
When I was pushin weight, back in eighty-eight
you was a ballerina I got your pictures I seen ya
Then you dropped "Shook Ones," switch your demeanor
Well - we don't believe you, you need more people
Roc-A-Fella, students of the game, we passed the classes
Nobody can read you dudes like we do
Don't let 'em gas you like Jigga is ass and won't clap you
Trust me on this one - I'll detach you
Mind from spirit, body from soul
They'll have to hold a mass, put your body in a hole
No, you're not on my level get your brakes tweaked
I sold what ya whole album sold in my first week
You guys don't want it with Hov'
Ask Nas, he don't want it with Hov', nooooo!

R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit
B. Sigel, we runnin this rap shit
M-Easy, we runnin this rap shit
Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it
O & Sparks, we runnin this rap shit
Freeway, we run this rap shit
Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap shit
{*"Watch out!! We run New York" -> KRS-One*}

I know you missin all the - FAAAAAAAME!
But along with celebrity comes bout seventy shots to your frame
Nigga; you a - LAAAAAAAME!
Youse the fag model for Karl Kani/Esco ads
Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco's trash
Had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage
Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all
to your bodyguard's "Oochie Wally" verse better than yours
Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin song
but I know - the sun don't shine, then son don't shine
That's why your - LAAAAAAAME! - career come to a end
There's only so long fake thugs can pretend
Nigga; you ain't live it you witnessed it from your folks pad
You scribbled in your notepad and created your life
I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor
(Me, that's who!) Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser
So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong
You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song
And you ain't get a coin nigga you was gettin fucked and
I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing
Use your - BRAAAAAAAIN! You said you been in this ten
I've been in it five - smarten up Nas
Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
That's one every let's say two, two of them shits was due
One was - NAHHH, the other was "Illmatic"
That's a one hot album every ten year average
And that's so - LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow
Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?
(Get the fuck outta here) You niggaz gon' learn to respect the king
Don't be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen
Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now

R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit
M-Easy, we runnin this rap shit
The Broad Street Bully, we runnin this rap shit
Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it
Freeway, we run this rap shit
O & Sparks, we runnin this rap shit
Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap shit
{*"Watch out!! We run New York" -> KRS-One*}

A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
So stop with that childish shit, nigga I'm grown
Please leave it alone - don't throw rocks at the throne
Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you
I don't know why your advisors ain't forewarn you
Please, not Jay, he's, not for play
I don't slack a minute, all that thug rappin and gimmicks
I will end it, all that yappin be finished
You are not deep, you made your bed now sleep
Don't make me expose you to them folks that don't know you
Nigga I know you well, all the stolen jew-els
Twinkletoes you breakin my heart
You can't fuck with me - go play somewhere, I'm busy
And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga
You only get half a bar - fuck y'all niggaz

All this is bullshit. NO FACTS at all. Maybe the money making and chart hits but everything else is bullshit and even though this song is longer than Ether.. LYRICALLY this song cant touch it.. Look at that wack elementary bullshit. Wack

purplewisdom said:

Timmy84 said:

Not trying to carry this thread off topic because I already post OT shit in this already but Rakim wasn't feeling what Nas did here:

Rakim made another statement reagrding this..so forget that!!!

Yeah I know they patched it up. I was just saying.

I would love to see Krs One light Jay Z up in a diss. I wouldnt mind seeing Rakim do it to. Im just saying, these old legends could really put his mediocre behind in his small box place.

Dmx, Game, 50 cent, Krs One, etc dont like Jay His not that respected in the rap/community of course by Lil Wayne and Drake maybe

mjscarousal said:

I would love to see Krs One light Jay Z up in a diss. I wouldnt mind seeing Rakim do it to. Im just saying, these old legends could really put his mediocre behind in his small box place.

Dmx, Game, 50 cent, Krs One, etc dont like Jay His not that respected in the rap/community of course by Lil Wayne and Drake maybe

Sure Jay is certainly off the reservation now compared to his reasonable doubt days, but no need to hate on his status in the game. Jay could scrap as evidenced by the infamous "pool hall battle" with him X just going at it for hours. Jay killed 50 Cent in one line, "I'm about a dollar, what the fuck is 50 cent?", c'mon now Jay does commercial tracks, yes, but he gets as raw as any of the old heads without question. When I was a fan of rap, Jay was normally in my top 5, so this whole debate brings up memories....

Rap now is no fun, but we are getting sidetracked !!!!

Back to 2001:

Jay did spit truth regarding the whole Carmen situation, making Ether less potent.

"Gotta hurt I'm your Baby Mama's favorite rapper" - Jigga

And more derailment, how did no one mention LL/Cannibus? Certainly one of the best Hip Hop battles ever....

team roc invited team QB (nas/mobb deep etc) for a massive tangle.

but QB was going through its civil war and issues during that time.

Nas hollered at CNN to tem up against beans and free but Nore refused..rest is history!!

purplewisdom said:

team roc invited team QB (nas/mobb deep etc) for a massive tangle.

but QB was going through its civil war and issues during that time.

Nas hollered at CNN to tem up against beans and free but Nore refused..rest is history!!

You talking about a fight or a rap battle?

Beans and Freeway or some big nighas, I'll take them on my side in a fight.