2freaky4church1 said:

Prince does similar things. Does anybody complain?

It is a bit different. Prince is a solo artist. The dynamics and expectations of a band are not the same.

2freaky4church1 said:

Prince does similar things. Does anybody complain?

actually, many people complain...

and Prince is a SOLO artist (unless you think that Purple Rain and D&P turned him into a band leader), and he did attend the RNRHoF ceremony as a solo artist...

JoeTyler said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Prince does similar things. Does anybody complain?

actually, many people complain...

and Prince is a SOLO artist (unless you think that Purple Rain and D&P turned him into a band leader), and he did attend the RNRHoF ceremony as a solo artist...

LOL I don't know how people are trying to compare Prince and Axl. Least Prince agreed to take his rightful place in history. If Axl didn't have beef with Slash and shit, he'd attend, believe that.

here's the thing: No one was asking Axl to "reunite" with these guys he is "divorced" from. Just fucking go to the show - pick up the award - say thank you and leave. If he did not want to perform with the rest - fine.

I guess I'm not sure w the big deal is and why everythign has to be such a fucking drama with him.

leonche64 said:

I think you underestimate the influence that this band had. They had but 2 albums of consequence, but have disproportionately left their imprint on rock and roll that last up until this day. People bash Axl for being a jerk, not for anything else. And it does have impact on people's lives, or no one would mention it. I understand your admiration for Izzy, but he isn't mentioned because he was not the face of the band. He was the first of the originals to leave, and in terms of recognition, he actually falls behind Scott Adler at this point in time. The "two headed snake" of Guns and Roses was Axl and Slash. Izzy did not figure into the equation. It matters not who wrote what, his position was not lead guitar, he did not play the solo's, wear the hat, stand in the spotlight. In show business, perception is reality. You can say megalomaniac, but dude said he just wanted to work. Axl was taking the Michael Jackson approach to releasing material. He put together a band and hit the road. Snake Pit sold millions, and put on some great shows. He said he would have never come back off the road had the record company not insisted he do another GNR record. And exactly which songs was he not capable of writing? Ain't none of it Mozart. It is going to start in Eb and there will be a walk up to Ab and a turn around on Cb. That is 70 percent of the catalog. The rest is a variation on the theme. Duff and Slash are tight to this day. They have worked together on projects, and both have their own bands going independently. They have won awards, toured, and sold millions of records, and worked with many top artist in the business. The same can not be said for Axl and Izzy.

Nope, Steven Adler was the first of the originals to leave.

I believe that Izzy was offered a spot in Velvet Revolver but turned it down. He probably could have had greater success than he has had after leaving the band but he is a cat that is happy to be on the fringes. I do think it is worth noting that of any of them he has been the most productive since the split.

DiminutiveRocker said:

here's the thing: No one was asking Axl to "reunite" with these guys he is "divorced" from. Just fucking go to the show - pick up the award - say thank you and leave. If he did not want to perform with the rest - fine.

I guess I'm not sure w the big deal is and why everythign has to be such a fucking drama with him.

Exactly. He could do like Sly, show up unannounced, give a short speech and then bounce. But nah he only made himself a bigger ass posting a letter. Like dude it wasn't even that serious...

rialb said:

leonche64 said:

I think you underestimate the influence that this band had. They had but 2 albums of consequence, but have disproportionately left their imprint on rock and roll that last up until this day. People bash Axl for being a jerk, not for anything else. And it does have impact on people's lives, or no one would mention it. I understand your admiration for Izzy, but he isn't mentioned because he was not the face of the band. He was the first of the originals to leave, and in terms of recognition, he actually falls behind Scott Adler at this point in time. The "two headed snake" of Guns and Roses was Axl and Slash. Izzy did not figure into the equation. It matters not who wrote what, his position was not lead guitar, he did not play the solo's, wear the hat, stand in the spotlight. In show business, perception is reality. You can say megalomaniac, but dude said he just wanted to work. Axl was taking the Michael Jackson approach to releasing material. He put together a band and hit the road. Snake Pit sold millions, and put on some great shows. He said he would have never come back off the road had the record company not insisted he do another GNR record. And exactly which songs was he not capable of writing? Ain't none of it Mozart. It is going to start in Eb and there will be a walk up to Ab and a turn around on Cb. That is 70 percent of the catalog. The rest is a variation on the theme. Duff and Slash are tight to this day. They have worked together on projects, and both have their own bands going independently. They have won awards, toured, and sold millions of records, and worked with many top artist in the business. The same can not be said for Axl and Izzy.

Nope, Steven Adler was the first of the originals to leave.

I believe that Izzy was offered a spot in Velvet Revolver but turned it down. He probably could have had greater success than he has had after leaving the band but he is a cat that is happy to be on the fringes. I do think it is worth noting that of any of them he has been the most productive since the split.

Yeah he and Slash. Duff also to a lesser degree and that's partially because he's been close to Slash since the jumpoff of GNR.

Timmy84 said:

rialb said:

Nope, Steven Adler was the first of the originals to leave.

I believe that Izzy was offered a spot in Velvet Revolver but turned it down. He probably could have had greater success than he has had after leaving the band but he is a cat that is happy to be on the fringes. I do think it is worth noting that of any of them he has been the most productive since the split.

Yeah he and Slash. Duff also to a lesser degree and that's partially because he's been close to Slash since the jumpoff of GNR.

The problem with Izzy is that so many of his albums have been very low profile. The first one was kind of a big deal being the first solo album from a (former) member of Guns 'N Roses but he didn't release another one until 1998. After that I think he had a couple of albums that were only released in Japan (and therefore very expensive) and his last few releases have been itunes exclusive.

It's easy to forget about him but he's been releasing albums pretty consistently over the last ten years or so.

rialb said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah he and Slash. Duff also to a lesser degree and that's partially because he's been close to Slash since the jumpoff of GNR.

The problem with Izzy is that so many of his albums have been very low profile. The first one was kind of a big deal being the first solo album from a (former) member of Guns 'N Roses but he didn't release another one until 1998. After that I think he had a couple of albums that were only released in Japan (and therefore very expensive) and his last few releases have been itunes exclusive.

It's easy to forget about him but he's been releasing albums pretty consistently over the last ten years or so.

Guess he figured the other countries will pay him more money if they bought his albums there than here.

rialb said:

Nope, Steven Adler was the first of the originals to leave.

I believe that Izzy was offered a spot in Velvet Revolver but turned it down. He probably could have had greater success than he has had after leaving the band but he is a cat that is happy to be on the fringes. I do think it is worth noting that of any of them he has been the most productive since the split.

Well! Steven didn't leave. He was fired. Izzy was the first one to leave on his terms, leaving it all behind on the height of their success... speaking of Izzy, he just released a statement, seems like he would have went, had Axl decided to go to:

"I have waited up to this point to see what would become of the GN'Rinduction into Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. I would like to say THANK YOU and GRACIAS to Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame for the acknowledgement of our works over the years as a band. BIG THANKS to all my bandmates who helped get us to where we are today. And, of course, THANK YOU to all of the people on this planet (including, but not limited to, the entire universe and beyond, etc., etc., etc.) who have supported GUNS N' ROSES from day one. Adios, Amigos!"

http://legacy.roadrunnerr...mID=172575

Well Izzy isn't one for attending public events so I doubt he just decided not to go just because of Axl...

Timmy84 said:

rialb said:

The problem with Izzy is that so many of his albums have been very low profile. The first one was kind of a big deal being the first solo album from a (former) member of Guns 'N Roses but he didn't release another one until 1998. After that I think he had a couple of albums that were only released in Japan (and therefore very expensive) and his last few releases have been itunes exclusive.

It's easy to forget about him but he's been releasing albums pretty consistently over the last ten years or so.

Guess he figured the other countries will pay him more money if they bought his albums there than here.

such a fucking drama queen, thats what AXL is, sorry but i have no respect for him and really never did. I get you hate the former members, maybe you guys ripped each other of, maybe its money, maybe slash banged your girl, whatever, but you have fans, and thats pure disrespect to those who MADE your fucking little band, to me i get his issues, if you want to not be included then dont be, but then change the name of your current band to the "new guns n roses" like the Cars did when they toured without Ric Ocasek, show some fucking respect, stop making this all about you, axl is possibly one of the most self obsessed rock stars that didnt really do that much to begin with. THE RNR hall of fame should in respect to everyone just mention that guns n roses is in, DO NOT give anytime to this on the show, and induct someone else instead that fell short on the list that WILL BE RESPECTFUL. And have someone come on and say FU axl

[Edited 4/13/12 13:58pm]

MattyJam said:

Bashing Axl for not wanting to go a Country Club Dinner (which you have to pay to attend), which has zero impact on anyone's lives, is nonsensical. Even more so, when none of these articles mention an important piece of the puzzle: Izzy isn't going. Izzy and Axl formed this band, and were the main songwriters. What the HOF will end up being is a new way for Irving Azoff to market Velvet Revolver, and find a lead singer popular enough to book another tour with these guys. Without Axl or Izzy, this is VR getting inducted--not GN'R. If Izzy was going to go, my bet is Axl would have gone. I think those two are still very close, and the two who were the keys to this band.

You want proof of Slash's megalomania--look no further than him positioning himself with the media as the "Keith Richards" or "Joe Perry" of GN'R. Nothing could be further from the truth---Izzy always was the "Keith", of GN'R. Look to 94-95, Slash brought in the Snakepit songs, Axl and Duff reject them; Axl doesn't like Gilby's stuff, and who does he go to for songs: Izzy. AS Duff said, they started working up some songs with Izzy. Without Izzy, I don't think Axl saw Slash as an important part of the band, especially after Slash brought in the crap Snakepit songs, and told Axl to shut-up and sing. Axl realized at that point, this guy has gone beyond a power grab, and thus the rift began. Axl knew the songs had to be at a level far above Snakepit, and Slash wasn't capable of writing those songs, nor had the desire to learn how to write those kind of songs. Ironically, he was the one telling Axl to "shut-up and sing"--I don't blame Axl and Duff for saying: "no, not gonna do that stuff".

Bashing fans for "understanding" why Axl decided not to go to the HOF, only further shows complete irrational, follow the herd behavior. Axl owes no one anything, especially the establishment who were trying to con him into a reunion. The man did, if you put yourself truly in his shoes, the most logical and classy move possible.

[Edited 4/13/12 0:05am]

Geez, that's just some Axl asskissing spin and assumptions. I guess most agree that the Hall of Fame is not all that important, but that is not the point. The point is that millions of GNR and rock fans would love to see these 5 (or 7) guys together one more time to do a couple of songs. The induction would have provided the perfect neutral spot to do that. And let's face it, there aren't really any more occasions, where they could get together, without any one losing face or having to make the first step. 6 of those guys were willing and the most important guy (when it comes to a performance, Izzy being there or not, is not really a factor, but it seems like he would have shown up, had Axl not decided to not come) decides to write a letter instead, despite knowing how important it would have been to many people. That is the fucked up part. That instead of sucking it up for a night and for once considering other people than himself, he continues to hold a stupid grudge that's been going on for over 15 years and puts himself above everyone else, like he always does. It's always about him. 10.000+ people standing or sitting around in an arena, waiting for his ass to finish doing whatever he's doing and finally hitting the stage.

As for "Slash's megalomania".... he's still dwarved by Axl in every sense in that department. It was Axl, who took the name and hijacked the band. It was Axl, who sued Activision, because they used Slash's likeness in connection with the name GNR. Everyone is getting and playing along, except Axl. Everyone took responsibility for mistakes made in the past, except Axl, who still blames everyone else but himself. As for Slash's supposed lack of songwriting ability.... I don't recall CD being a masterpiece (granted, it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, but it's not brilliant either), same goes for Izzy's solo albums or Duff's solo albums. They had something special, when they were working together, something they are all lacking when they work seperately. The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. So who are you (or Axl or Duff) to say that Slash's contributions or importance was not good enough? It was 5 people that made up GNR.

And yes, Axl owes people. He didn't create GNR on his own. He didn't get where he had gotten on his own. He couldn't maintain doing what he's doing on his own. If there wouldn't be fans, willing to put up with his shit, he would be playing bars since years now. Everything he is and affords to get away with, he owes to the fans.

[img:$uid]http://i42.tinypic.com/241s807.jpg[/img:$uid]

Duff McKagan: ''Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame isn't About Axl Rose''

April 13, 2012

Ex-Guns N' Roses bassist Duff McKagan has insisted it doesn't matter that Axl Rose won't be attending the band's Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction.

Writing on Seattleweekly.com, he said: "My band, Gnr, will be inducted into the so-fancy Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And on that night, I will honor not myself or the chicken dinner they will most surely provide, but I will be honoring all those people who call themselves the fans of our group called Guns N' Roses."

He went on to add: ''In the end, it's not about who does or doesn't show up from the original band, and I back whatever reason this guy or that has for not coming. It's all good. The songs are the important bit here... and the message they most certainly still must carry.''

http://www.nme.com/news/g...oses/63219

[Edited 4/13/12 16:30pm]

Identity said:

[img:$uid]http://i42.tinypic.com/241s807.jpg[/img:$uid]

Duff McKagan: ''Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame isn't About Axl Rose''

April 13, 2012

Ex-Guns N' Roses bassist Duff McKagan has insisted it doesn't matter that Axl Rose won't be attending the band's Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction.

Writing on Seattleweekly.com, he said: "My band, Gnr, will be inducted into the so-fancy Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And on that night, I will honor not myself or the chicken dinner they will most surely provide, but I will be honoring all those people who call themselves the fans of our group called Guns N' Roses."

He went on to add: ''In the end, it's not about who does or doesn't show up from the original band, and I back whatever reason this guy or that has for not coming. It's all good. The songs are the important bit here... and the message they most certainly still must carry.''

http://www.nme.com/news/g...oses/63219

[Edited 4/13/12 16:30pm]

class act with that response, he could have just called him a scumbag and i wouldnt have been mad at him

lastdecember said:

Identity said:

[img:$uid]http://i42.tinypic.com/241s807.jpg[/img:$uid]

Duff McKagan: ''Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame isn't About Axl Rose''

April 13, 2012

Ex-Guns N' Roses bassist Duff McKagan has insisted it doesn't matter that Axl Rose won't be attending the band's Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction.

Writing on Seattleweekly.com, he said: "My band, Gnr, will be inducted into the so-fancy Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And on that night, I will honor not myself or the chicken dinner they will most surely provide, but I will be honoring all those people who call themselves the fans of our group called Guns N' Roses."

He went on to add: ''In the end, it's not about who does or doesn't show up from the original band, and I back whatever reason this guy or that has for not coming. It's all good. The songs are the important bit here... and the message they most certainly still must carry.''

http://www.nme.com/news/g...oses/63219

[Edited 4/13/12 16:30pm]

class act with that response, he could have just called him a scumbag and i wouldnt have been mad at him

This is why I love Duff. He never shown out to be a scumbag. So of the original members I guess he, Slash and Steven Adler are attending. Good enough for me.

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

class act with that response, he could have just called him a scumbag and i wouldnt have been mad at him

This is why I love Duff. He never shown out to be a scumbag. So of the original members I guess he, Slash and Steven Adler are attending. Good enough for me.

ironically similar to the Van Halen induction where no one in the band went, and they only had one original member. And sammy proved pretty classy by thanking eddie and alex and also including Gary Cherone in the picture too!

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

This is why I love Duff. He never shown out to be a scumbag. So of the original members I guess he, Slash and Steven Adler are attending. Good enough for me.

ironically similar to the Van Halen induction where no one in the band went, and they only had one original member. And sammy proved pretty classy by thanking eddie and alex and also including Gary Cherone in the picture too!

Yeah I remembered that. My respect then for Sammy went up when he did that.

PatrickS77 said:

And yes, Axl owes people.

PatrickS77 said:

MattyJam said:

Bashing Axl for not wanting to go a Country Club Dinner (which you have to pay to attend), which has zero impact on anyone's lives, is nonsensical. Even more so, when none of these articles mention an important piece of the puzzle: Izzy isn't going. Izzy and Axl formed this band, and were the main songwriters. What the HOF will end up being is a new way for Irving Azoff to market Velvet Revolver, and find a lead singer popular enough to book another tour with these guys. Without Axl or Izzy, this is VR getting inducted--not GN'R. If Izzy was going to go, my bet is Axl would have gone. I think those two are still very close, and the two who were the keys to this band.

You want proof of Slash's megalomania--look no further than him positioning himself with the media as the "Keith Richards" or "Joe Perry" of GN'R. Nothing could be further from the truth---Izzy always was the "Keith", of GN'R. Look to 94-95, Slash brought in the Snakepit songs, Axl and Duff reject them; Axl doesn't like Gilby's stuff, and who does he go to for songs: Izzy. AS Duff said, they started working up some songs with Izzy. Without Izzy, I don't think Axl saw Slash as an important part of the band, especially after Slash brought in the crap Snakepit songs, and told Axl to shut-up and sing. Axl realized at that point, this guy has gone beyond a power grab, and thus the rift began. Axl knew the songs had to be at a level far above Snakepit, and Slash wasn't capable of writing those songs, nor had the desire to learn how to write those kind of songs. Ironically, he was the one telling Axl to "shut-up and sing"--I don't blame Axl and Duff for saying: "no, not gonna do that stuff".

Bashing fans for "understanding" why Axl decided not to go to the HOF, only further shows complete irrational, follow the herd behavior. Axl owes no one anything, especially the establishment who were trying to con him into a reunion. The man did, if you put yourself truly in his shoes, the most logical and classy move possible.

[Edited 4/13/12 0:05am]

Geez, that's just some Axl asskissing spin and assumptions. I guess most agree that the Hall of Fame is not all that important, but that is not the point. The point is that millions of GNR and rock fans would love to see these 5 (or 7) guys together one more time to do a couple of songs. The induction would have provided the perfect neutral spot to do that. And let's face it, there aren't really any more occasions, where they could get together, without any one losing face or having to make the first step. 6 of those guys were willing and the most important guy (when it comes to a performance, Izzy being there or not, is not really a factor, but it seems like he would have shown up, had Axl not decided to not come) decides to write a letter instead, despite knowing how important it would have been to many people. That is the fucked up part. That instead of sucking it up for a night and for once considering other people than himself, he continues to hold a stupid grudge that's been going on for over 15 years and puts himself above everyone else, like he always does. It's always about him. 10.000+ people standing or sitting around in an arena, waiting for his ass to finish doing whatever he's doing and finally hitting the stage.

As for "Slash's megalomania".... he's still dwarved by Axl in every sense in that department. It was Axl, who took the name and hijacked the band. It was Axl, who sued Activision, because they used Slash's likeness in connection with the name GNR. Everyone is getting and playing along, except Axl. Everyone took responsibility for mistakes made in the past, except Axl, who still blames everyone else but himself. As for Slash's supposed lack of songwriting ability.... I don't recall CD being a masterpiece (granted, it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, but it's not brilliant either), same goes for Izzy's solo albums or Duff's solo albums. They had something special, when they were working together, something they are all lacking when they work seperately. The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. So who are you (or Axl or Duff) to say that Slash's contributions or importance was not good enough? It was 5 people that made up GNR.

And yes, Axl owes people. He didn't create GNR on his own. He didn't get where he had gotten on his own. He couldn't maintain doing what he's doing on his own. If there wouldn't be fans, willing to put up with his shit, he would be playing bars since years now. Everything he is and affords to get away with, he owes to the fans.

Why should Axl have to suck it up? Since leaving the group in 96, Slash has become a complete media-whore in an attempt to win public sympathy by portraying himself as an innocent bystander to Axl's supposed dicatatorship. He has bad-mouthed his former bandmate on a regular basis, while Axl remained tight-lipped.

The truth is, Slash threw his toys out the pram when Axl and Duff refused to work on Slash's mediocre songs (Slash's Snakepit is well below GNR standard and everyone knew it bar the man himself).

Of course I'm sure Axl shoulders a large part of the blame himself for the events that led to the break-up, but then it's hardly like he hasn't been held accountable all these years!! He said nothing about the break-up or his old bandmates for years until he broke his silence in 2008. There are two sides to every story and while Slash was shouting his side from the rooftops, writing a book, slagging off Axl in interviews etc, Axl kept a dignified silence and I respect him for that.

So why should Axl attend and have to play with a man he obviously cannot stand? It would be fake - and love him or hate him, that's one thing Axl has never been.

[Edited 4/14/12 4:49am]

MattyJam said:

Bashing Axl for not wanting to go a Country Club Dinner (which you have to pay to attend), which has zero impact on anyone's lives, is nonsensical. Even more so, when none of these articles mention an important piece of the puzzle: Izzy isn't going. Izzy and Axl formed this band, and were the main songwriters. What the HOF will end up being is a new way for Irving Azoff to market Velvet Revolver, and find a lead singer popular enough to book another tour with these guys. Without Axl or Izzy, this is VR getting inducted--not GN'R. If Izzy was going to go, my bet is Axl would have gone. I think those two are still very close, and the two who were the keys to this band.

You want proof of Slash's megalomania--look no further than him positioning himself with the media as the "Keith Richards" or "Joe Perry" of GN'R. Nothing could be further from the truth---Izzy always was the "Keith", of GN'R. Look to 94-95, Slash brought in the Snakepit songs, Axl and Duff reject them; Axl doesn't like Gilby's stuff, and who does he go to for songs: Izzy. AS Duff said, they started working up some songs with Izzy. Without Izzy, I don't think Axl saw Slash as an important part of the band, especially after Slash brought in the crap Snakepit songs, and told Axl to shut-up and sing. Axl realized at that point, this guy has gone beyond a power grab, and thus the rift began. Axl knew the songs had to be at a level far above Snakepit, and Slash wasn't capable of writing those songs, nor had the desire to learn how to write those kind of songs. Ironically, he was the one telling Axl to "shut-up and sing"--I don't blame Axl and Duff for saying: "no, not gonna do that stuff".

Bashing fans for "understanding" why Axl decided not to go to the HOF, only further shows complete irrational, follow the herd behavior. Axl owes no one anything, especially the establishment who were trying to con him into a reunion. The man did, if you put yourself truly in his shoes, the most logical and classy move possible.

[Edited 4/13/12 0:05am]

Couldn't have put it better myself.

And to those saying it's a cop-out - a real 'cop-out' would be for him to shut up, put on a false smile, do a full reunion tour, and pocket the squillions that he'd no doubt make from it. But for better or worse, if he did that he wouldn't be Axl Rose...

MattyJam said:

PatrickS77 said:

Geez, that's just some Axl asskissing spin and assumptions. I guess most agree that the Hall of Fame is not all that important, but that is not the point. The point is that millions of GNR and rock fans would love to see these 5 (or 7) guys together one more time to do a couple of songs. The induction would have provided the perfect neutral spot to do that. And let's face it, there aren't really any more occasions, where they could get together, without any one losing face or having to make the first step. 6 of those guys were willing and the most important guy (when it comes to a performance, Izzy being there or not, is not really a factor, but it seems like he would have shown up, had Axl not decided to not come) decides to write a letter instead, despite knowing how important it would have been to many people. That is the fucked up part. That instead of sucking it up for a night and for once considering other people than himself, he continues to hold a stupid grudge that's been going on for over 15 years and puts himself above everyone else, like he always does. It's always about him. 10.000+ people standing or sitting around in an arena, waiting for his ass to finish doing whatever he's doing and finally hitting the stage.

As for "Slash's megalomania".... he's still dwarved by Axl in every sense in that department. It was Axl, who took the name and hijacked the band. It was Axl, who sued Activision, because they used Slash's likeness in connection with the name GNR. Everyone is getting and playing along, except Axl. Everyone took responsibility for mistakes made in the past, except Axl, who still blames everyone else but himself. As for Slash's supposed lack of songwriting ability.... I don't recall CD being a masterpiece (granted, it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, but it's not brilliant either), same goes for Izzy's solo albums or Duff's solo albums. They had something special, when they were working together, something they are all lacking when they work seperately. The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. So who are you (or Axl or Duff) to say that Slash's contributions or importance was not good enough? It was 5 people that made up GNR.

And yes, Axl owes people. He didn't create GNR on his own. He didn't get where he had gotten on his own. He couldn't maintain doing what he's doing on his own. If there wouldn't be fans, willing to put up with his shit, he would be playing bars since years now. Everything he is and affords to get away with, he owes to the fans.

Why should Axl have to suck it up? Since leaving the group in 96, Slash has become a complete media-whore in an attempt to win public sympathy by portraying himself as an innocent bystander to Axl's supposed dicatatorship. He has bad-mouthed his former bandmate on a regular basis, while Axl remained tight-lipped.

The truth is, Slash threw his toys out the pram when Axl and Duff refused to work on Slash's mediocre songs (Slash's Snakepit is well below GNR standard and everyone knew it bar the man himself).

Of course I'm sure Axl shoulders a large part of the blame himself for the events that led to the break-up, but then it's hardly like he hasn't been held accountable all these years!! He said nothing about the break-up or his old bandmates for years until he broke his silence in 2008. There are two sides to every story and while Slash was shouting his side from the rooftops, writing a book, slagging off Axl in interviews etc, Axl kept a dignified silence and I respect him for that.

So why should Axl attend and have to play with a man he obviously cannot stand? It would be fake - and love him or hate him, that's one thing Axl has never been.

[Edited 4/14/12 4:49am]

You keep saying Duff refused to play Slash's songs,that is simply not true. Axl refused the songs outright. Duff has never said anything about them. Snakepit was a different project, concept and tour. He and Slash sure did a lot of writing together on future projects and he respected his input. Slash has admitted his mistakes, bad choices, and self destructive behavior in countless interviews and in his book. Never once has Axl said "sorry for keeping you waiting for 3 hours while I jacked off back stage" to any of the fans that put money in his pocket. Truth is some people just can't handle success. When I saw them opening for Motley Crue, you bet he was on stage on time. You can hate Slash all you want, but it is clear which side Duff is on.

MattyJam said:

Why should Axl have to suck it up? Since leaving the group in 96, Slash has become a complete media-whore in an attempt to win public sympathy by portraying himself as an innocent bystander to Axl's supposed dicatatorship. He has bad-mouthed his former bandmate on a regular basis, while Axl remained tight-lipped.

The truth is, Slash threw his toys out the pram when Axl and Duff refused to work on Slash's mediocre songs (Slash's Snakepit is well below GNR standard and everyone knew it bar the man himself).

Of course I'm sure Axl shoulders a large part of the blame himself for the events that led to the break-up, but then it's hardly like he hasn't been held accountable all these years!! He said nothing about the break-up or his old bandmates for years until he broke his silence in 2008. There are two sides to every story and while Slash was shouting his side from the rooftops, writing a book, slagging off Axl in interviews etc, Axl kept a dignified silence and I respect him for that.

So why should Axl attend and have to play with a man he obviously cannot stand? It would be fake - and love him or hate him, that's one thing Axl has never been.

[Edited 4/14/12 4:49am]

Read my post. I already have laid out why he should suck it up! All former members are (or were willing to attend) except him.
And Slash a media whore? Geez, unlike Axl, who became a recluse and wasn't really confronted about the break up, he kept working, got out there, toured and did press to promote his stuff. So obviously he was asked regarding GNR. And he was the one forced to give up his band, so forgive him for being bitter for a while. His leaving the band had nothing to do with the supposed refusal of certain songs. He released those songs, had a moderate success and spend a year doing what he loved, playing concerts playing those songs. His leaving had to do with Axl speaking to him through lawyers and middlemen, demanding Slash and Duff to sign over the rights to the band, firing Gilby and bringing in a childhood friend without consulting anyone else in the band. I'm aware that everyone in the band has their own version of what went down, but no one really contradicted what Slash said. As you might have noticed, Slash and Duff (and Matt) still work together and get along. And most of the stuff Slash said was kinda obvious looking at the band in those years.

ReddishBrownOne said:

Couldn't have put it better myself.

And to those saying it's a cop-out - a real 'cop-out' would be for him to shut up, put on a false smile, do a full reunion tour, and pocket the squillions that he'd no doubt make from it. But for better or worse, if he did that he wouldn't be Axl Rose...

Oh tell me... how would he pocket squillions if he would suck up his pride for one night and do 2 songs?? I'm not talking about a full blown reunion. I am talking about 1 evening.

leonche64 said:

You keep saying Duff refused to play Slash's songs,that is simply not true. Axl refused the songs outright. Duff has never said anything about them. Snakepit was a different project, concept and tour. He and Slash sure did a lot of writing together on future projects and he respected his input. Slash has admitted his mistakes, bad choices, and self destructive behavior in countless interviews and in his book. Never once has Axl said "sorry for keeping you waiting for 3 hours while I jacked off back stage" to any of the fans that put money in his pocket. Truth is some people just can't handle success. When I saw them opening for Motley Crue, you bet he was on stage on time. You can hate Slash all you want, but it is clear which side Duff is on.

Exactly! But Axl-apologists want to hear none of that.

Steven Adler: ''Axl Should Put Fans First''

April 14, 2012

You've probably heard by now that Guns N' Roses frontman Axl Rose declared Wednesday that he won't be attending the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction ceremony, putting an end to any possibility of the band's classic lineup performing at the event.

In an interview with Legendary Rock Interviews, former GN'R drummer Steven Adler says that he's upset with Rose's decision, on behalf of the fans.

"I just wanted the same thing all of the fans want, which is to show up and play together," says the drummer. "It's not that hard -- just show up, put the fans first and be a rock and roll band, if only for their sake. They love the five of us and they'd still love us and I don't understand why [Rose] can't see that. There is not one rock and roll band that the fans have wanted to see a reunion of more than Guns N' Roses."

Adler added that if Rose had decided to attend the event, it wouldn’t be to perform with him or any of the other members of the band's classic lineup. "Axl doesn't believe in any of us," notes Adler. "I have a feeling if he would've shown up [at the induction ceremony], it would only be to perform with his band of scabs…those guys are great players, they're great performers, but they're not Guns N' Roses."

http://abcnewsradioonline...z1s1OIipwj" target="_blank">Link

leonche64 said:

You keep saying Duff refused to play Slash's songs,that is simply not true. Axl refused the songs outright. Duff has never said anything about them.

Not true. If you read Duff's new book he states quite clearly that he agreed fully with Axl about Slash's songs not being suitable GNR material, saying that he felt they were "too Southern rock for GNR."

PatrickS77 said:

MattyJam said:

Why should Axl have to suck it up? Since leaving the group in 96, Slash has become a complete media-whore in an attempt to win public sympathy by portraying himself as an innocent bystander to Axl's supposed dicatatorship. He has bad-mouthed his former bandmate on a regular basis, while Axl remained tight-lipped.

The truth is, Slash threw his toys out the pram when Axl and Duff refused to work on Slash's mediocre songs (Slash's Snakepit is well below GNR standard and everyone knew it bar the man himself).

Of course I'm sure Axl shoulders a large part of the blame himself for the events that led to the break-up, but then it's hardly like he hasn't been held accountable all these years!! He said nothing about the break-up or his old bandmates for years until he broke his silence in 2008. There are two sides to every story and while Slash was shouting his side from the rooftops, writing a book, slagging off Axl in interviews etc, Axl kept a dignified silence and I respect him for that.

So why should Axl attend and have to play with a man he obviously cannot stand? It would be fake - and love him or hate him, that's one thing Axl has never been.

[Edited 4/14/12 4:49am]

Read my post. I already have laid out why he should suck it up! All former members are (or were willing to attend) except him.
And Slash a media whore? Geez, unlike Axl, who became a recluse and wasn't really confronted about the break up, he kept working, got out there, toured and did press to promote his stuff. So obviously he was asked regarding GNR. And he was the one forced to give up his band, so forgive him for being bitter for a while. His leaving the band had nothing to do with the supposed refusal of certain songs. He released those songs, had a moderate success and spend a year doing what he loved, playing concerts playing those songs. His leaving had to do with Axl speaking to him through lawyers and middlemen, demanding Slash and Duff to sign over the rights to the band, firing Gilby and bringing in a childhood friend without consulting anyone else in the band. I'm aware that everyone in the band has their own version of what went down, but no one really contradicted what Slash said. As you might have noticed, Slash and Duff (and Matt) still work together and get along. And most of the stuff Slash said was kinda obvious looking at the band in those years.

ReddishBrownOne said:

Couldn't have put it better myself.

And to those saying it's a cop-out - a real 'cop-out' would be for him to shut up, put on a false smile, do a full reunion tour, and pocket the squillions that he'd no doubt make from it. But for better or worse, if he did that he wouldn't be Axl Rose...

Oh tell me... how would he pocket squillions if he would suck up his pride for one night and do 2 songs?? I'm not talking about a full blown reunion. I am talking about 1 evening.

I didn't say he'd pocket loads of cash just for playing tonihgt (and I admit that it would have been cool to see, but c'est la vie). But a full G n'R reunion tour - which a LOT of promoters would, and no doubt have to great lenghts to put on, would pronbably net Axl more cash than if the current line up played every day for the next 100 years. Just saying.

A reunion tour would've been disastrous. That's why it would've been best for him to show up, accept his award and then leave (like Sly) but oh well Axl didn't stop the world with his announcement. Life goes on.

ReddishBrownOne said:

PatrickS77 said:

Oh tell me... how would he pocket squillions if he would suck up his pride for one night and do 2 songs?? I'm not talking about a full blown reunion. I am talking about 1 evening.

I didn't say he'd pocket loads of cash just for playing tonihgt (and I admit that it would have been cool to see, but c'est la vie). But a full G n'R reunion tour - which a LOT of promoters would, and no doubt have to great lenghts to put on, would pronbably net Axl more cash than if the current line up played every day for the next 100 years. Just saying.

Yes, but a reunion tour with a junkie and a bunch of people, he supposedly doesn't like and would, rightfully, want to be his equals in every sense of the word, instead of employees would not be the easiest thing or a "cop-out". The "cop-out" is what whe have now, Axl, being the boss and captain of the GNR organization, who calls all the shots and gets the biggest paycheck, with a bunch of employees, who do as he wishes and keep their concerns to themselves.

MattyJam said:

leonche64 said:

You keep saying Duff refused to play Slash's songs,that is simply not true. Axl refused the songs outright. Duff has never said anything about them.

Not true. If you read Duff's new book he states quite clearly that he agreed fully with Axl about Slash's songs not being suitable GNR material, saying that he felt they were "too Southern rock for GNR."

Well, whatever Slash brought to the table is not less suitable than "Oh my god", "Silkworms", "Shackler's revenge", "Riad and the beduins" or "If the world" for example.

[Edited 4/14/12 8:54am]