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Axl Rose pens letter to Rock Hall: won't attend, declines induction

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Early this morning, Pop & Hiss received a letter from Guns N' Roses co-founder Axl Rose, through his publicist, announcing his decision to not attend the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony on Saturday in Cleveland. Written under the greeting, "To The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern," Rose explained specifically why he was declining his induction into the Cleveland music institution.

The band, born in Los Angeles in 1985, was announced as an inductee in February alongside the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys and Donovan, among others, leading to instant speculation whether the five core members of Guns N' Roses circa "Appetite for Destruction" would appear together for the first time since 1993. Guitarist Slash officially departed the band in 1996, followed soon thereafter by other members Duff McKagan and Matt Sorum (original drummer Steven Adler had left a few years earlier, as had Izzy Stradlin).

Rose retained the rights to the band's name, and over the next decade devoted his time to creating the album "Chinese Democracy," touring with a revived Guns N' Roses, and defiantly dismissing any suggestion of a reunion with the original members of the band.

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Since February, Rose has remained mum on his plans, even as guitarist Slash has spoken out in favor of a Rock Hall reunion -- and acknowledging Rose's antipathy. "He hates my guts," Slash told Rolling Stone in early April. "It's over a lot of different stuff; I don't even know. There's just no communication between us. I talk to Duff and Steven, but when it comes to old Guns N' Roses, there really isn't anybody that makes decisions."

In the letter below, Rose specifically criticizes comments by Adler, who speculated to Billboard magazine in 2007 that the band might reunite. Those comments were given by Adler while promoting his own Adler's Appetite tour, which was timed to support his book, "My Appetite for Destruction." "I want to finish what we started," Adler told Billboard then (parentheses and elipses theirs), "and ... with the love and support I got from those guys, I think we can (reunite). I'm gonna leave it up to Axl. That's gonna be Axl's call, and I love Axl and I know he'll make the right call." Below, Rose calls Adler's comments "reunion lies." Continuing attempts to reach Adler have not been successful.

During a December 2011 sit-down interview with Rose after a Guns N' Roses concert in Seattle, the singer had yet to decide his plans, but was uninterested in making a scene at the induction ceremony if he did decide to attend. "I think about it in terms of Marlon Brando getting up at the Academy Awards and talking about Indians ... or when Michael Moore got up at the Academy Awards and said whatever about George Bush. People don’t want that associated with their awards shows, even if you have a big audience. In one way it might be right, but it usually backfires on whoever does it. So I really don’t want to spoil it for everybody else -- and take the beating."

Notably, Rose then laughed and cursed Jann Wenner, the founder, publisher and executive editor of Rolling Stone magazine -- who also co-founded the Hall of Fame in 1983.

Rose's open letter is printed in its entirety below.

To: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N' Roses were to be inducted it'd be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.

Since then we've listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists' comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.

Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.

For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.

That said, I won't be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N' Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of "Guns N' Roses".

This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.

The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.

Izzy came out with us a few times back in '06 and I invited him to join us at our LA Forum show last year. Steven was at our show at the Hard Rock, later in '06 in Las Vegas, where I invited him to our after-party and was rewarded with his subsequent interviews filled with reunion lies. Lesson learned. Duff joined us in 2010 and again in '11 along with his band, Loaded, opening in Seattle and Vancouver. For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough.

There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.

Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can.

So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense.

But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on. No one's taking the ball and going home. Don't get it twisted. For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards, the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types. Not to imply anything in this particular circumstance, but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.

In closing, regardless of this decision and as hard to believe or as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for Guns' induction. More importantly I'd like to thank the fans for being there over the years, making any success we've had possible and for enjoying and supporting Guns N' Roses music.

I wish the Hall a great show, congratulations to all the other artists being inducted and to our fans we look forward to seeing you on tour!!

Sincerely,

Axl Rose

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Reply #1 posted 04/11/12 6:31pm

Timmy84

How lovely... rolleyes

Oh well least Slash will be there.

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Reply #2 posted 04/11/12 6:33pm

Gunsnhalen

Timmy84 said:

How lovely... rolleyes

Oh well least Slash will be there.

Even htough i love Matt & Duff.... without Slash there no one would care lol

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Reply #3 posted 04/11/12 6:42pm

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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #4 posted 04/11/12 6:53pm

dancerella

I am really disappointed in him for pulling this shit. Just get over the bullshit already, damn! WTF????

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Reply #5 posted 04/11/12 7:06pm

Gunsnhalen

Axl will go to his grave being pressed at Slash and the other people in the music industry he hates lol

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Reply #6 posted 04/11/12 7:06pm

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What. A. Dick.

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #7 posted 04/11/12 7:20pm

CynicKill

Axl has issues sure, but maybe the memories are THAT bad.

Morrisey said people always wanted The Smiths to get back together and he said why, we hated each other. A member sued me not too long ago. Why on earth would I want to reunite with them.

GnR were hampered by alchohol and drug abuse, mental illness and international rock stardom. I can see him not wanting to fake it for a rock and roll hall induction.

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Reply #8 posted 04/11/12 7:56pm

Gunsnhalen

Although they did have destructive behavior, Asshole Rose is a big part of the group's issues. He basically made them sign the rights of the name to him, his rants at concerts. His showing up late or at all. And after hearing what Slash & all the members said about when James got burned and Axl did nothing to help & only caused the riot. They said he was backstag not giving a fuck about james or the riot.

Axl just simply doesn't give a fuck, i mean obviousely with my name & all i'm a GNR freak lol and Axl is a great frontman. But he is a fucked up person & i think no matter how bad he think's thing's are, he need's to grow up cause he caused most of the bullshit.

The worst of it was back in the day he tried to say it was Slash was the one with drugs & issues... when Axl was on drugs to, gtfo u red headed twat waffle lol

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Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #9 posted 04/11/12 8:53pm

wavesofbliss

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How lovely... rolleyes

its kind of a relief. i can see the awkard sing along thing they do at the end - and the he kicks off one of his lunatic ravings about fuck-all...... good riddence.

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Reply #10 posted 04/11/12 9:08pm

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SHOCKING!!!! rolleyes

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Reply #11 posted 04/11/12 10:07pm

Gunsnhalen

At least the Sex Pistols letter was funny razz

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #12 posted 04/11/12 10:27pm

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Too bad that we all have to get old in order to realize our mistakes.

The guy is just to young to realize that life is short and it is better to

forgive and move on instead of holding grudges.

Too bad for him because I have heard that his last album/cd wasn't all that.

There is only a few bands/musicians whose music stands the test of time.

He is making the people who decided to induct the instead of a band

called "WAR" look mighty fooolish rigt about now. confused

el_callejero cool

There must be a reason why...
I don't know.

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Reply #13 posted 04/11/12 10:32pm

woogiebear

F**K 'Em & induct Grand Funk!!!!!!!!

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Reply #14 posted 04/11/12 10:32pm

Timmy84

ElCallejero said:

Too bad that we all have to get old in order to realize our mistakes.

The guy is just to young to realize that life is short and it is better to

forgive and move on instead of holding grudges.

Too bad for him because I have heard that his last album/cd wasn't all that.

There is only a few bands/musicians whose music stands the test of time.

He is making the people who decided to induct the instead of a band

called "WAR" look mighty fooolish rigt about now. confused

el_callejero cool

Wouldn't be the first person to make the Hall of Fame committee look downright silly.

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Reply #15 posted 04/11/12 10:54pm

Gunsnhalen

ElCallejero said:

Too bad that we all have to get old in order to realize our mistakes.

The guy is just to young to realize that life is short and it is better to

forgive and move on instead of holding grudges.

Too bad for him because I have heard that his last album/cd wasn't all that.

There is only a few bands/musicians whose music stands the test of time.

He is making the people who decided to induct the instead of a band

called "WAR" look mighty fooolish rigt about now. confused

el_callejero cool

Are you still crying about that? lol

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Reply #16 posted 04/11/12 10:57pm

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Umm Axl is almost 50 so I don't know how olde he has to wait till he realizes his whatevers. Hes just cra cra.

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Reply #17 posted 04/11/12 11:17pm

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I'm still trying to figure out how Guns n Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Beastie Boys are Hall of Famers and KISS (among many others) is not.

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Reply #18 posted 04/11/12 11:36pm

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They should just replace Axl with Scott Weiland and induct Velvet Revolver instead! lol

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Reply #19 posted 04/12/12 12:20am

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Good for Axl.

Like he said, people get divorced. A reunion at this stage would be for all the wrong reasons. They don't even make the same kind of music anymore (can you imagine Slash playing on Chinese Democracy?).

He believes in his new band and is having fun with them. I've seen them live in 2010 and am going to see them again in a few months and they seem like they genuinely love eachother and enjoy playing together. They may not be the same band of brothers who wrote the GNR classics, but I would rather go and see a band who actually want to be their on stage together as opposed to a band who really resent eachother and can't wait for the show to end so they can cash their paycheck.

And besides, the new band are phenominal musicians. I'm a big fan of Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal - the man is a fucking monster on his fretless guitar!!

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Gunsnhalen said:

Axl just simply doesn't give a fuck, i mean obviousely with my name & all i'm a GNR freak lol and Axl is a great frontman. But he is a fucked up person & i think no matter how bad he think's thing's are, he need's to grow up cause he caused most of the bullshit.

The worst of it was back in the day he tried to say it was Slash was the one with drugs & issues... when Axl was on drugs to, gtfo u red headed twat waffle lol

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Eh, I would disagree. He wouldnt have droned on in this long, drawn-out letter if he didnt care. He simply would have respectfully declined the induction and moved on.

He *is* a mess, though - you're right about that. I am long-time friends with one of his personal assistants from back in the day... said Axl blew everything out of proportion. Paranoid and somewhat dellusional. And this was the sober Axl - go figure. shrug

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Reply #21 posted 04/12/12 2:47am

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MattyJam said:

Good for Axl.

Like he said, people get divorced. A reunion at this stage would be for all the wrong reasons. They don't even make the same kind of music anymore (can you imagine Slash playing on Chinese Democracy?).

He believes in his new band and is having fun with them. I've seen them live in 2010 and am going to see them again in a few months and they seem like they genuinely love eachother and enjoy playing together. They may not be the same band of brothers who wrote the GNR classics, but I would rather go and see a band who actually want to be their on stage together as opposed to a band who really resent eachother and can't wait for the show to end so they can cash their paycheck.

And besides, the new band are phenominal musicians. I'm a big fan of Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal - the man is a fucking monster on his fretless guitar!!

That's not the point. No one says or really excpects him to drop his new band, get the original ones and do a full blown reunion tour. I agree, from Axl's point of view, that wouldn't make sense. But it wouldn't have hurt him to attend the ceremony, do 2 songs with the original guys and give the fans what they want.

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StonedImmaculate said:

I'm still trying to figure out how Guns n Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Beastie Boys are Hall of Famers and KISS (among many others) is not.

Exactly! Look, the snobs that make the decisions may hate Kiss with a blinding passion but you know damn well that Paul and Gene would be there and that they would put on a great show. I'm sure that the Hall were thinking that a Guns 'N Roses reunion would have been a huge draw, and it surely would have been, but they should have known the odds were very much against it happening. Oh well, maybe Kiss will get in next year.

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Reply #23 posted 04/12/12 3:12am

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woogiebear said:

F**K 'Em & induct Grand Funk!!!!!!!!

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Grand Funk Railroad? You mean the biggest American rock band of the early seventies? Of course they should be in there but sadly the jagoff critics have always hated them and it's probably not going to happen.

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Reply #24 posted 04/12/12 6:10am

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...now follow this written RANT with an ACTUAL appearance and confuse the hell out of everyone

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Reply #25 posted 04/12/12 6:20am

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PatrickS77 said:

MattyJam said:

Good for Axl.

Like he said, people get divorced. A reunion at this stage would be for all the wrong reasons. They don't even make the same kind of music anymore (can you imagine Slash playing on Chinese Democracy?).

He believes in his new band and is having fun with them. I've seen them live in 2010 and am going to see them again in a few months and they seem like they genuinely love eachother and enjoy playing together. They may not be the same band of brothers who wrote the GNR classics, but I would rather go and see a band who actually want to be their on stage together as opposed to a band who really resent eachother and can't wait for the show to end so they can cash their paycheck.

And besides, the new band are phenominal musicians. I'm a big fan of Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal - the man is a fucking monster on his fretless guitar!!

That's not the point. No one says or really excpects him to drop his new band, get the original ones and do a full blown reunion tour. I agree, from Axl's point of view, that wouldn't make sense. But it wouldn't have hurt him to attend the ceremony, do 2 songs with the original guys and give the fans what they want.

Exactly. It's a TV appearance and a couple songs. One night, Axl couldn't be the bigger man? Of course not.

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Reply #26 posted 04/12/12 7:15am

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MattyJam said:

Good for Axl.

Like he said, people get divorced. A reunion at this stage would be for all the wrong reasons. They don't even make the same kind of music anymore (can you imagine Slash playing on Chinese Democracy?).

[...]

Uhm, yes. lol

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Reply #27 posted 04/12/12 7:20am

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Honestly, regardless of how not bothered I am about a reunion or the band that much these days, the letter seems sincere and honest. Whatever problems he thinks exist...he believes he is correct.

As daft as Axl has been over the years, I give him credit for taking a stand and explaining his point of view.

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Reply #28 posted 04/12/12 7:50am

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elmer said:

As daft as Axl has been over the years, I give him credit for taking a stand and explaining his point of view.

Yes. But that's the only thing he gets credit for. He took the easy way out. Instead of confronting the problem and/or suck it up, he wrote a letter.

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Reply #29 posted 04/12/12 7:55am

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maybe he was mad at amazon selling the grestest hit for 25 cents. Had the cd yrs back but lost it and i bought it back for 25cents

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