daddymac said:

Dont knock the Killer. Jerry Lee is an absolute legend and fully deserves his place in the RRHOF.

Nah I'm not dissing Jerry Lee. He earned his legend credentials, I was just saying.

scriptgirl said:

What song did Percy do again?

When A Man Loves A Woman.

But hell, Chubby Checker is not in for The Twist.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

scriptgirl said:

What song did Percy do again?

When A Man Loves A Woman.

But hell, Chubby Checker is not in for The Twist.

Hank Ballard wrote it and he's in. Chubby Checker is kinda like Percy Sledge in that they had one particular hit that defined their careers but no one's gonna remember anything else. Yeah Chubby had hits before and after "The Twist" but I never really regarded him as a pioneer. Chubby was just the messenger to Hank Ballard and the Midnighters' words and moves. He took their dance move too because the Midnighters had done it before and before them they saw kids in Philly (I believe) doing the dance. I can understand why someone like Jerry Lee would get in because he was influential. I'm guessing D'Angelo stands a chance if they don't pass him over though.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

When A Man Loves A Woman.

But hell, Chubby Checker is not in for The Twist.

Hank Ballard wrote it and he's in. Chubby Checker is kinda like Percy Sledge in that they had one particular hit that defined their careers but no one's gonna remember anything else. Yeah Chubby had hits before and after "The Twist" but I never really regarded him as a pioneer. Chubby was just the messenger to Hank Ballard and the Midnighters' words and moves. He took their dance move too because the Midnighters had done it before and before them they saw kids in Philly (I believe) doing the dance. I can understand why someone like Jerry Lee would get in because he was influential. I'm guessing D'Angelo stands a chance if they don't pass him over though.

Who wrote Sledge's song?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Hank Ballard wrote it and he's in. Chubby Checker is kinda like Percy Sledge in that they had one particular hit that defined their careers but no one's gonna remember anything else. Yeah Chubby had hits before and after "The Twist" but I never really regarded him as a pioneer. Chubby was just the messenger to Hank Ballard and the Midnighters' words and moves. He took their dance move too because the Midnighters had done it before and before them they saw kids in Philly (I believe) doing the dance. I can understand why someone like Jerry Lee would get in because he was influential. I'm guessing D'Angelo stands a chance if they don't pass him over though.

Who wrote Sledge's song?

According to the story, Percy improvised the lyrics but he for some crazy reason credited the song to his bassist and keyboards. I wonder if he gets paid royalties from that song. The way that song has been covered and played over and over and over and over again, you'd think he be in for the money. Anyone knows Percy's net worth?

from soul train.com

The Importance of Neo Soul

In the late 1990s the term neo-soul was first introduced to the music world by then Motown Records President Kedar Massenburg, in an effort to market his new artist Erykah Badu. From that movement came the careers of artists like Jill Scott, Kindred The Family Soul, Musiq Soulchild, and India. Arie. The organic feel of the music was a stark contrast to the bubblegum pop that had been infiltrating the charts for the greater part of the late 90s. The artists, however, sought to distance themselves from the term, maintaining that it was merely a way to box them for marketability. In today’s times, the tag “neo-soul” is needed more than ever. Some of R&B’s most popular artists are opting for the “Euro sound,” leaving the more soul-rooted singers struggling for position in the underground. There is a unanimous outcry from music artists and lovers alike for a return of soul music to mainstream radio, and neo-soul may be the answer we’re looking for.

In today’s times, record labels are looking less to invest in talent, and more in trends. Quite frankly, they don’t make the money they deem necessary to spend on artist development. In an effort to turn a quick profit, the labels simply look to a growing trend in music and try to find artists that fit that caliber and sign them, hoping to capitalize on the trend. This is where neo-soul comes in. Despite soul music having a great independent scene via artists such as Eric Roberson, Sy Smith, Choklate, and a host of others, there is a lack of soul singers within the major label system. Having neo-soul reintroduced into the mainstream as it was in the early 2000s would be beneficial to all: signed or unsigned.

Understand that this is not an effort to get soul music artists signed to major labels, but it is an effort to get media and radio outlets outside of the Urban AC format to give more organic records a chance. This is not a strange concept. The fact of the matter is that at one time you could see Musiq Soulchild, Jill Soctt, India.Arie, and Heather Headley all on 106 and Park. It’s not that the new generation of music lovers doesn’t like or appreciate soul music, it’s just a tad bit foreign to them. British soul singer Adele has proved that if you place soul music in front of the masses, they will accept it. America has just as many soulful artists in its back yard, and if calling them neo-soul puts them in position to change the face of American music once again, then so be it.

-Nick Eden

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trying to post.

Anyway, Yes I do see this happening in the future.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Who wrote Sledge's song?

According to the story, Percy improvised the lyrics but he for some crazy reason credited the song to his bassist and keyboards. I wonder if he gets paid royalties from that song. The way that song has been covered and played over and over and over and over again, you'd think he be in for the money. Anyone knows Percy's net worth?

About $17.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

According to the story, Percy improvised the lyrics but he for some crazy reason credited the song to his bassist and keyboards. I wonder if he gets paid royalties from that song. The way that song has been covered and played over and over and over and over again, you'd think he be in for the money. Anyone knows Percy's net worth?

About $17.

That's it? $17? He should've looked into crediting himself - and owning the publishing. I swear "When a Man Loves a Woman" sold like 30 million copies. And he's only getting $17? Ain't that about a bitch? And what's he get out of it? A lousy Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction and $17.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

About $17.

That's it? $17? He should've looked into crediting himself - and owning the publishing. I swear "When a Man Loves a Woman" sold like 30 million copies. And he's only getting $17? Ain't that about a bitch? And what's he get out of it? A lousy Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction and $17.

Lol, I was joking homie. Don't know how much dude makes.

Maxwell will make it and maybe Jill Scott.

Maxwell? REALLY? How so? Erykah and Lauryn should make it before Jill

scriptgirl said:

Maxwell? REALLY? How so? Erykah and Lauryn should make it before Jill

Maxwell actually has a discography (may not be large , but larger than Lauryn Hill.) I said in a early post, she has a better shot as a member of the Fugee's than as a solo performer.

Maxie may have a more extensive discography, but I fail to see how he is influential or that important in the scheme of things

I remember reading in 95 ,96 that Kedar coined the term "neo soul", so that idea that he came up with it has been around for a while.

I can't see it and I will tell you why. For one thing, you have a lot of classic soul artists that are not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame! Chaka Khan isn't there. Donny Hathaway isn't there. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is one big popularity contest and let's be real! If a neo-soul artist gets in, goodness it'll be long after their 25 year wait.

Besides, who cares anyway? I am still waiting on them to induct Chic and Donna Summer!

thesoulbrother said:

I can't see it and I will tell you why. For one thing, you have a lot of classic soul artists that are not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame! Chaka Khan isn't there. Donny Hathaway isn't there. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is one big popularity contest and let's be real! If a neo-soul artist gets in, goodness it'll be long after their 25 year wait.

Besides, who cares anyway? I am still waiting on them to induct Chic and Donna Summer!

I stillthink Barry WHite is the biggest soul omission.

thesoulbrother said:

Besides, who cares anyway?

Yep, if Jann Wenner can induct himself, and he has nothing to do with music other than running a magazine, how valid is the HOF? Rock 'N Roll is not about getting into a museum anyway, the original idea was rebellion, so the whole concept of being a display in a building for tourists would be considered "selling out".

scriptgirl said:

Why put "read" in quotes. I am not making it up, I did read it and yes, I have heard the term was around before Kedar, but at the time I didn't know that

MadamGoodnight said:

I hope I'm alive to see this ish. I'm just saying, cause at this rate........ War can't even get in.

That was an outrage.... a mess

SavonOsco said:

scriptgirl said:

I remember reading in 95 ,96 that Kedar coined the term "neo soul", so that idea that he came up with it has been around for a while.

I understand that,...it was something you "read"... I was working for Columbia records in 90-91 and that term was already used by industry people.... It's not a big deal, but industry people have disputed that exact claim for a while also....

Hell it could've started back in 1988 or 1989 for all we know... how do you explain Lenny Kravitz? Yeah he may not be what you may think is "neo-soul" but he was definitely considered neo everything else...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

That's it? $17? He should've looked into crediting himself - and owning the publishing. I swear "When a Man Loves a Woman" sold like 30 million copies. And he's only getting $17? Ain't that about a bitch? And what's he get out of it? A lousy Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction and $17.

Lol, I was joking homie. Don't know how much dude makes.

Oh! I was about to say!

LittleBLUECorvette said:

thesoulbrother said:

I can't see it and I will tell you why. For one thing, you have a lot of classic soul artists that are not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame! Chaka Khan isn't there. Donny Hathaway isn't there. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is one big popularity contest and let's be real! If a neo-soul artist gets in, goodness it'll be long after their 25 year wait.

Besides, who cares anyway? I am still waiting on them to induct Chic and Donna Summer!

I stillthink Barry WHite is the biggest soul omission.

Don't get why Barry's not in it. Then again I don't get the committee that they hired to run it.

BARRY WHITE IS NOT IN THE ROCK HALL OF FAME

*throws hands in the air*

mjscarousal said:

MadamGoodnight said:

I hope I'm alive to see this ish. I'm just saying, cause at this rate........ War can't even get in.

That was an outrage.... a mess

Timmy84 said:

MadamGoodnight said:

I hope I'm alive to see this ish. I'm just saying, cause at this rate........ War can't even get in.

WAR would probably get in. They've shown how pissed off they were this year. If they're smart, they induct them in 2013 or else lol

I hope they do get in Timmy.

SavonOsco said:

scriptgirl said:

I remember reading in 95 ,96 that Kedar coined the term "neo soul", so that idea that he came up with it has been around for a while.

I understand that,...it was something you "read"... I was working for Columbia records in 90-91 and that term was already used by industry people.... It's not a big deal, but industry people have disputed that exact claim for a while also....

Wow ,I had no idea that term was being used in the late 80s/ early 90's, besides The Brand New Heavies who else did the industry people consider to be in that category back then?

I'm in the same boat as scriptgirl btw, I remember first hearing that term my senior year in High School, 96-97, when Badu and Chico Debarge's albums both came out.