babybugz said:

It's not the same.

Well, everyone, including them, is aware of that.

babybugz said:

Is Randy in this ? Marlon? The star is gone give it up guys It's not the same.

Nah Randy ain't in it. Marlon is in it.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Is Randy in this ? Marlon? The star is gone give it up guys It's not the same.

Nah Randy ain't in it. Marlon is in it.

I didn't think he would but I could actually see him doing some of the leads if he was.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah Randy ain't in it. Marlon is in it.

I didn't think he would but I could actually see him doing some of the leads if he was.

True. He would've also been something of a hype man because he helped their concerts by hyping it up.

Timmy84 said:

manthevan said:

I am surprised that I have come to the conclusion that something seems to be off between Randy and some of the other brothers since MJ's passing. Jackie who has been described as the brother who is most agreeable does not seem to be on the same side as Randy regarding a lot of things.

First Randy didn't want to have nothing to do with the Jacksons Dynasty show (which I can totally understand considering the timing). Jackie has been the brother that has supported the estate most and has been a consultant to the estate regarding their different projects. Randy on the other hand has been the brother who has been most critical of the estate. Randy was also opposing the tributes in Cardiff and Japan and now doesn't seem to be part of this reunion. Meanwhile we have Jackie saying “I can’t believe this is finally happening. There’s nothing like having ALL the brothers on stage at the same time.” What about Randy?

Randy seems to be most concerned about justice for Michael and Jackie seems to be most concerned about celebrating the life of Michael. Randy is critical of the estate and Jackie is pro the estate. I am sure they have their reasons but it's a little dissapointing if a reunion will take place without Randy.

Also surprised to say that the brother who seems to have been closest to Randy is Jermaine. He was participating with the Jackson3 in their TV show. He supported Randy at a couple of charity events. He took sides with Randy regarding the Cardiff tribute but is on board on the reunion.

Is Jermaine becoming the most agreeable among the brothers? That certainately wasn't the case in the past.

[Edited 4/7/12 0:39am]

Well this definitely confirms that there's still a lot of dysfunction between the brothers, much like there's dysfunction with the Clark Sisters (Denise Clark Bradford hasn't performed with her sisters since 1986 and many consider Twinkie, Dorinda, Karen and Jacky THE Clark Sisters). Randy's backing out of anything any of the brothers are doing is telling considering he's in a different boat. Randy always seemed to have a mind of his own and that never went well with some of the brothers and definitely not with Papa Joe, who used to treat Randy like shit growing up saying he wasn't as talented as his older brothers. I'm sure there's still scars. Randy just doesn't seem to appreciate what his brothers and has been known to tell it like it is on his side. I doubt Randy will ever do music again and he's probably confused as to why his older brothers are doing this. In many ways, it still seems incomplete without Randy because it doesn't seem to be a "real reunion".

Exactly... thats my concern and Im sure even non MJ/Jackson stans know their are 6 Jackson brothers total excluding Michael 5 of course. To me, it shows they couldnt work out their differences. I'm glad Randy didnt do that show. It was an obvious move to cash in on Michael. They should have had a reunion tour years ago. I wouldnt be as weary about going if ALL the Jackson brothers were in it.

mjscarousal said:

They should have had a reunion tour years ago.

Well, doing a "reunion" tour without Michael doesn't make much sense. Now does it? With Michael gone it's different... there is no holding back or waiting out for Michael to change his mind. It's now or never.

PatrickS77 said:

mjscarousal said:

They should have had a reunion tour years ago.

Well, doing a "reunion" tour without Michael doesn't make much sense. Now does it? With Michael gone it's different... there is no holding back or waiting out for Michael to change his mind. It's now or never.

Yes that's true and yet Randy isn't on board. There is something disturbing about that.

Timmy84 said:

manthevan said:

I am surprised that I have come to the conclusion that something seems to be off between Randy and some of the other brothers since MJ's passing. Jackie who has been described as the brother who is most agreeable does not seem to be on the same side as Randy regarding a lot of things.

First Randy didn't want to have nothing to do with the Jacksons Dynasty show (which I can totally understand considering the timing). Jackie has been the brother that has supported the estate most and has been a consultant to the estate regarding their different projects. Randy on the other hand has been the brother who has been most critical of the estate. Randy was also opposing the tributes in Cardiff and Japan and now doesn't seem to be part of this reunion. Meanwhile we have Jackie saying “I can’t believe this is finally happening. There’s nothing like having ALL the brothers on stage at the same time.” What about Randy?

Randy seems to be most concerned about justice for Michael and Jackie seems to be most concerned about celebrating the life of Michael. Randy is critical of the estate and Jackie is pro the estate. I am sure they have their reasons but it's a little dissapointing if a reunion will take place without Randy.

Also surprised to say that the brother who seems to have been closest to Randy is Jermaine. He was participating with the Jackson3 in their TV show. He supported Randy at a couple of charity events. He took sides with Randy regarding the Cardiff tribute but is on board on the reunion.

Is Jermaine becoming the most agreeable among the brothers? That certainately wasn't the case in the past.

[Edited 4/7/12 0:39am]

Well this definitely confirms that there's still a lot of dysfunction between the brothers, much like there's dysfunction with the Clark Sisters (Denise Clark Bradford hasn't performed with her sisters since 1986 and many consider Twinkie, Dorinda, Karen and Jacky THE Clark Sisters). Randy's backing out of anything any of the brothers are doing is telling considering he's in a different boat. Randy always seemed to have a mind of his own and that never went well with some of the brothers and definitely not with Papa Joe, who used to treat Randy like shit growing up saying he wasn't as talented as his older brothers. I'm sure there's still scars. Randy just doesn't seem to appreciate what his brothers and has been known to tell it like it is on his side. I doubt Randy will ever do music again and he's probably confused as to why his older brothers are doing this. In many ways, it still seems incomplete without Randy because it doesn't seem to be a "real reunion".

Yes I agree and it is kind of disturbing if the other brothers (like Jackie seems to do) will act like Randy doesn't even exist.

Randy was one of the best songwriters in the family and he also played a lot of the keyboards and contributed to the rythm arrangements during their concerts. Randy was the one who went through all the songs and rehearsed tha band before the Victory tour (not Michael or Jermaine). That says something.

manthevan said:

Timmy84 said:

Well this definitely confirms that there's still a lot of dysfunction between the brothers, much like there's dysfunction with the Clark Sisters (Denise Clark Bradford hasn't performed with her sisters since 1986 and many consider Twinkie, Dorinda, Karen and Jacky THE Clark Sisters). Randy's backing out of anything any of the brothers are doing is telling considering he's in a different boat. Randy always seemed to have a mind of his own and that never went well with some of the brothers and definitely not with Papa Joe, who used to treat Randy like shit growing up saying he wasn't as talented as his older brothers. I'm sure there's still scars. Randy just doesn't seem to appreciate what his brothers and has been known to tell it like it is on his side. I doubt Randy will ever do music again and he's probably confused as to why his older brothers are doing this. In many ways, it still seems incomplete without Randy because it doesn't seem to be a "real reunion".

Yes I agree and it is kind of disturbing if the other brothers (like Jackie seems to do) will act like Randy doesn't even exist.

Randy was one of the best songwriters in the family and he also played a lot of the keyboards and contributed to the rythm arrangements during their concerts. Randy was the one who went through all the songs and rehearsed tha band before the Victory tour (not Michael or Jermaine). That says something.

Didn't he rehearse the band during the Triumph tour or was that Michael?

Timmy84 said:

manthevan said:

Yes I agree and it is kind of disturbing if the other brothers (like Jackie seems to do) will act like Randy doesn't even exist.

Randy was one of the best songwriters in the family and he also played a lot of the keyboards and contributed to the rythm arrangements during their concerts. Randy was the one who went through all the songs and rehearsed tha band before the Victory tour (not Michael or Jermaine). That says something.

Didn't he rehearse the band during the Triumph tour or was that Michael?

Since that was his job during the Victory tour he probably did that during the Triumph tour as well. There used to be a clip about this on youtube but I can't find it anymore.

[Edited 4/8/12 1:47am]

manthevan said:

PatrickS77 said:

Well, doing a "reunion" tour without Michael doesn't make much sense. Now does it? With Michael gone it's different... there is no holding back or waiting out for Michael to change his mind. It's now or never.

Yes that's true and yet Randy isn't on board. There is something disturbing about that.

Not really! Randy wasn't part of the original Jackson 5.

PatrickS77 said:

manthevan said:

Yes that's true and yet Randy isn't on board. There is something disturbing about that.

Not really! Randy wasn't part of the original Jackson 5.

I would buy tickets to the show if they were coming to my city and I wouldn't miss Randy at all.

No but I'm sure they would perform music from their Epic solo albums more

They would have 2 pay me 2 even consider going 2 this show. Complete waste of time and energy. No Mj.......no WAY.

PatrickS77 said:

manthevan said:

Yes that's true and yet Randy isn't on board. There is something disturbing about that.

Not really! Randy wasn't part of the original Jackson 5.

The "Jackson 5" stopped existing in 1975. Randy is a Jackson. This ain't a Jackson 5 reunion mane.

manthevan said:

Timmy84 said:

Didn't he rehearse the band during the Triumph tour or was that Michael?

Since that was his job during the Victory tour he probably did that during the Triumph tour as well. There used to be a clip about this on youtube but I can't find it anymore.

[Edited 4/8/12 1:47am]

I'm inclined to believe he helped all their tours from Destiny on up.

alphastreet said:

No but I'm sure they would perform music from their Epic solo albums more

Jermaine and Marlon never recorded for Epic. Only Jackie and I hardly remembered it.

PatrickS77 said:

manthevan said:

Yes that's true and yet Randy isn't on board. There is something disturbing about that.

Not really! Randy wasn't part of the original Jackson 5.

But he still was apart of the group at some point... period. He should at least be in the tour since sadly Michael is not in it.

ALL the living remaining members SHOULD BE IN IT but this goes for ANY group... period.

And in '89 Marlon was not a part of it, so what? The most important member is missing. It doesn't really matter whether Randy is a part of it or not.

PatrickS77 said:

And in '89 Marlon was not a part of it, so what? The most important member is missing. It doesn't really matter whether Randy is a part of it or not.

It does matter. We know Michael wont ever be able to be apart of it.

I think its okay for them to STILL tour even though it technically wont be the same. However, they should AT LEAST have ALL the remaining living members and it does matter if their calling it a "reunion"

It's a reunion, whether Randy is there or not. In an ideal world Michael would be there too, but he's not... so Randy missing out on it, is not a big deal. Not at all.

PatrickS77 said:

It's a reunion, whether Randy is there or not. In an ideal world Michael would be there too, but he's not... so Randy missing out on it, is not a big deal. Not at all.

are up expecting them to sing only the motown material b/c the jacksons, destiny, triumph, randy co-wrote and co- produced and jermaine wasn't involved at all

HAPPYPERSON said:

PatrickS77 said:

It's a reunion, whether Randy is there or not. In an ideal world Michael would be there too, but he's not... so Randy missing out on it, is not a big deal. Not at all.

are up expecting them to sing only the motown material b/c the jacksons, destiny, triumph, randy co-wrote and co- produced and jermaine wasn't involved at all

Probably not, even though the emphasize will be on the Motown stuff. Whether he was a contributing writer doesn't matter, when it comes to performing. Name one song where Randy sang lead or co-lead! Can't think of any other than "She" from 2300 Jackson street, which they unfortunately wouldn't play anyway. The way it is now, Jermaine is much more important than any of the others.

PatrickS77 said:

It's a reunion, whether Randy is there or not. In an ideal world Michael would be there too, but he's not... so Randy missing out on it, is not a big deal. Not at all.

Technically no it isnt ....if his not there and the audience will notice it whether they care or not is another story.

Just because Michael isnt here doesnt necessarily make it less important for The Jacksons to go on tour and not all living brothers are in a "Reunion" show.

Putting the obvious fact that Michael is no longer here with us, the fact that ALL the living brothers is not in this reunion is another strike against them because its not a reunion if ALL of them are not in it.

I think some folks here think Randy is a nonfactor... Just my opinion.

mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77 said:

It's a reunion, whether Randy is there or not. In an ideal world Michael would be there too, but he's not... so Randy missing out on it, is not a big deal. Not at all.

Technically no it isnt ....if his not there and the audience will notice it whether they care or not is another story.

Just because Michael isnt here doesnt necessarily make it less important for The Jacksons to go on tour and not all living brothers are in a "Reunion" show.

Putting the obvious fact that Michael is no longer here with us, the fact that ALL the living brothers is not in this reunion is another strike against them because its not a reunion if ALL of them are not in it.

Geez... this is getting ridiculous. 4 out of 5 (or 6, depending which incarnation we're talking about) are getting back together.... they are reuniting. It doesn't matter, whether 1 or 2 are missing. And if we're talking Jackson 5, Randy was not a part of it and his contributions (or lack there of) on stage won't change the overall show or sound of it, so it doesn't matter whether he's there or not. No one will say "Ugh, Randy is not there... so it's not a reunion... I will stay home". End of it.

[Edited 4/8/12 15:42pm]

Timmy84 said:

I think some folks here think Randy is a nonfactor... Just my opinion.

In terms of a show, yes, he is a nonfactor! When it comes to recording an album it might be a different story.

PatrickS77 said:

mjscarousal said:

Technically no it isnt ....if his not there and the audience will notice it whether they care or not is another story.

Just because Michael isnt here doesnt necessarily make it less important for The Jacksons to go on tour and not all living brothers are in a "Reunion" show.

Putting the obvious fact that Michael is no longer here with us, the fact that ALL the living brothers is not in this reunion is another strike against them because its not a reunion if ALL of them are not in it.

Geez... this is getting ridiculous. 4 out of 5 (or 6, depending which incarnation we're talking about) are getting back together.... they are reuniting. It doesn't matter, whether 1 or 2 are missing. And if we're talking Jackson 5, Randy was not a part of it and his contributions (or lack there of) on stage won't change the overall show or sound of it, so it doesn't matter whether he's there or not. No one will say "Ugh, Randy is not there... so it's not a reunion... I will stay home". End of it.

[Edited 4/8/12 15:42pm]

Obviously I am not talking about the Jackson 5, I said THE JACKSONS and even if they did do Jackson 5 songs he could still participate in it. Talent and contribution really has nothing to do with it. I am looking at it from the view point this tour is advertising. They are advertising it like all the Jackson brothers are in it when they are not. They are promoting it as The Jacksons not the Jackson 5. Regardless of how talented Randy is or how he is as a performer he still was a member of the group and should be apart of the show.

No I doubt people will cry over Randy not being in it but they will definitly NOTICE a brother missing and make the same arguement I am making thats the whole point.

I know some people dont even want to see them because not all the remaining members are in it and of course Michael.

Im sure it will still be a descent show without Randy but there is no getting around that fact that will be noticable and to a extent will influence whether people want to see the show if not all the living brothers are in it.

[Edited 4/8/12 15:53pm]

Timmy84 said:

I think some folks here think Randy is a nonfactor... Just my opinion.

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

Timmy84 said:

manthevan said:

I am surprised that I have come to the conclusion that something seems to be off between Randy and some of the other brothers since MJ's passing. Jackie who has been described as the brother who is most agreeable does not seem to be on the same side as Randy regarding a lot of things.

First Randy didn't want to have nothing to do with the Jacksons Dynasty show (which I can totally understand considering the timing). Jackie has been the brother that has supported the estate most and has been a consultant to the estate regarding their different projects. Randy on the other hand has been the brother who has been most critical of the estate. Randy was also opposing the tributes in Cardiff and Japan and now doesn't seem to be part of this reunion. Meanwhile we have Jackie saying “I can’t believe this is finally happening. There’s nothing like having ALL the brothers on stage at the same time.” What about Randy?

Randy seems to be most concerned about justice for Michael and Jackie seems to be most concerned about celebrating the life of Michael. Randy is critical of the estate and Jackie is pro the estate. I am sure they have their reasons but it's a little dissapointing if a reunion will take place without Randy.

Also surprised to say that the brother who seems to have been closest to Randy is Jermaine. He was participating with the Jackson3 in their TV show. He supported Randy at a couple of charity events. He took sides with Randy regarding the Cardiff tribute but is on board on the reunion.

Is Jermaine becoming the most agreeable among the brothers? That certainately wasn't the case in the past.

[Edited 4/7/12 0:39am]

Well this definitely confirms that there's still a lot of dysfunction between the brothers, much like there's dysfunction with the Clark Sisters (Denise Clark Bradford hasn't performed with her sisters since 1986 and many consider Twinkie, Dorinda, Karen and Jacky THE Clark Sisters). Randy's backing out of anything any of the brothers are doing is telling considering he's in a different boat. Randy always seemed to have a mind of his own and that never went well with some of the brothers and definitely not with Papa Joe, who used to treat Randy like shit growing up saying he wasn't as talented as his older brothers. I'm sure there's still scars. Randy just doesn't seem to appreciate what his brothers and has been known to tell it like it is on his side. I doubt Randy will ever do music again and he's probably confused as to why his older brothers are doing this. In many ways, it still seems incomplete without Randy because it doesn't seem to be a "real reunion".

It's bad enough that Randy is THE only Jackson brother that is not in the American R&RHOF. Now Randy has to be excluded from a Jacksons "Reunion" tour as well?!?

And how exactly can The Jacksons perform Can You Feel It on stage without Randy? It's so obvious that Jermaine is going to do Michael's vocals, but which of the remaining 3 brothers are going to do Randy's vocals?