SUPRMAN said:

nursev said:

I don't know-if it was head first I'd think there would aleast be a head contusion or something.

Sh could have slumped into the tub. Maybe she was trying to sit down or lower her head after feeling light headed.

Considering she was high when she was in the bathroom it can be believed she felt real light headed.

she seized od'd n took a header into a water filled tub.

coke l do that to you.

SUPRMAN said:

nursev said:

See that's a question to be asked-would they seriously look into that considering her drug usage history. Somebody could get away with murder.

How would she have been murdered? Of course they investigated the possibility of murder.

What suggests murder? She died?

How do you know that? When she died, the authorities wasted no time suggesting her death was accidental. I don't recall any mention or investigation of murder. Not even the word murder was uttered.

HotGritz said:

SUPRMAN said:

How would she have been murdered? Of course they investigated the possibility of murder.

What suggests murder? She died?

How do you know that? When she died, the authorities wasted no time suggesting her death was accidental. I don't recall any mention or investigation of murder. Not even the word murder was uttered.

Of course they investigated the possibility of murder - unless there was some coverup activity, or negligence/incompetence taller than the Empire State. In 2012 the scrutiny coming their way, as well as the "level of care" that has become standard in a case like this, would ensure a thorough investigation that would include murder as a cause of death being in the range. The Coppers have seemed to smartly played their cards close the the vest. And still there are conflicting events that remain surrounding her death. I still don't like the idea that the water was that hot all of those hours later. But the big thing I don't get right now is - that she did not take her wig off to get in the bath. She would have been wearing a wig later, so getting her hair messy or wet should not have been so much a worry. Not taking a victim's wig off is the kind of error that could be made in a murder when it is an unplanned act of passion. (And then again if you were high as hell you might just leave it on. Seems creepy and sweaty to me, but as much as I might want to, I don't wear wigs and cannot comment with insight.)

allsmutaside said:

HotGritz said:

How do you know that? When she died, the authorities wasted no time suggesting her death was accidental. I don't recall any mention or investigation of murder. Not even the word murder was uttered.

Of course they investigated the possibility of murder - unless there was some coverup activity, or negligence/incompetence taller than the Empire State. In 2012 the scrutiny coming their way, as well as the "level of care" that has become standard in a case like this, would ensure a thorough investigation that would include murder as a cause of death being in the range. The Coppers have seemed to smartly played their cards close the the vest. And still there are conflicting events that remain surrounding her death. I still don't like the idea that the water was that hot all of those hours later. But the big thing I don't get right now is - that she did not take her wig off to get in the bath. She would have been wearing a wig later, so getting her hair messy or wet should not have been so much a worry. Not taking a victim's wig off is the kind of error that could be made in a murder when it is an unplanned act of passion. (And then again if you were high as hell you might just leave it on. Seems creepy and sweaty to me, but as much as I might want to, I don't wear wigs and cannot comment with insight.)

Sorry but that's just a very long assumption. Unless you have a police report which details a murder investigation and eliminates any and all possibility of foul play then, even in 2012, we can't just assume the cops did their job. The questions you raise about water temperature hours after her death and her wig being on to take a bath are things that private investigators or tv cops might consider. Maybe the local officers just figured another celebrity addict is dead, she probably o'd and case closed.

All I know is, I didn't hear anything or read anything about a murder investigation so I won't assume one was conducted.

allsmutaside said:

HotGritz said:

How do you know that? When she died, the authorities wasted no time suggesting her death was accidental. I don't recall any mention or investigation of murder. Not even the word murder was uttered.

Of course they investigated the possibility of murder - unless there was some coverup activity, or negligence/incompetence taller than the Empire State. In 2012 the scrutiny coming their way, as well as the "level of care" that has become standard in a case like this, would ensure a thorough investigation that would include murder as a cause of death being in the range. The Coppers have seemed to smartly played their cards close the the vest. And still there are conflicting events that remain surrounding her death. I still don't like the idea that the water was that hot all of those hours later. But the big thing I don't get right now is - that she did not take her wig off to get in the bath. She would have been wearing a wig later, so getting her hair messy or wet should not have been so much a worry. Not taking a victim's wig off is the kind of error that could be made in a murder when it is an unplanned act of passion. (And then again if you were high as hell you might just leave it on. Seems creepy and sweaty to me, but as much as I might want to, I don't wear wigs and cannot comment with insight.)

Whitney was just too high to function, which can explain why she was wearing a wig perhaps.

HotGritz said:

allsmutaside said:

Of course they investigated the possibility of murder - unless there was some coverup activity, or negligence/incompetence taller than the Empire State. In 2012 the scrutiny coming their way, as well as the "level of care" that has become standard in a case like this, would ensure a thorough investigation that would include murder as a cause of death being in the range. The Coppers have seemed to smartly played their cards close the the vest. And still there are conflicting events that remain surrounding her death. I still don't like the idea that the water was that hot all of those hours later. But the big thing I don't get right now is - that she did not take her wig off to get in the bath. She would have been wearing a wig later, so getting her hair messy or wet should not have been so much a worry. Not taking a victim's wig off is the kind of error that could be made in a murder when it is an unplanned act of passion. (And then again if you were high as hell you might just leave it on. Seems creepy and sweaty to me, but as much as I might want to, I don't wear wigs and cannot comment with insight.)

Sorry but that's just a very long assumption. Unless you have a police report which details a murder investigation and eliminates any and all possibility of foul play then, even in 2012, we can't just assume the cops did their job. The questions you raise about water temperature hours after her death and her wig being on to take a bath are things that private investigators or tv cops might consider. Maybe the local officers just figured another celebrity addict is dead, she probably o'd and case closed.

All I know is, I didn't hear anything or read anything about a murder investigation so I won't assume one was conducted.

I appreciate that we are in agreement. TV cops, TV therapists - 6 to 1, half a dozen to the other.

Musicslave said:

allsmutaside said:

Without a doubt. It is especially galling that her people, many who were her family and others who were chosen, seem to want to cast aspersions on Bobby. Bobby is who l feel compasion for most right now; how does he sort all of this out? I do not think he is a bad man, just a wild child grown old without growing up. None of those in her inner circle are speaking about their collective or individual roles in enabling Whitney. (I had no idea until recently that her brother and his second wife may have also been heavy substance abusers, using right along with her.) Her mom must be feeling crazy responsible, no matter what she speaks of in public. That water temperature sounds strange as hell to me. Especially if I was doing some coke I would not be able to get into that water of my own choice. Whitney was a clearly a strong willed woman, making her choices. But I tend to think that because of her substance use she was susceptable to people around her clouding or manipulating the choices that were in front of her. Clive Davis as one of the authors of her "comeback" - in terms of the pace it took and how soon it started after her tender sobriety was established, leaves me feeling he was one who may have pushed it further and faster than was remotely resonable, and chose to ignore the obvious. "Stevie Wonder sees crack babies." The truth in that line is as deep as it ever was.

I remember commenting on this site about her not being ready yet for that European tour she got internationally hammered for. I believe Clive like many other managers and label heads was using Europe as a warm up for the States. Kind of how D'Angelo just did. However, Whitney wasn't even ready for that yet. Her vocal chords hadn't healed and strengthened enough. Her vocal coach said if he had more time, he would've been able to get her voice a lot stronger than it was by the time she passed. He based this on the progress they had made up to that point. Not to mention the obvious point of her still using.

Let me be clear, I blame Whitney for Whitney. But it didn't help when she agreed to do that tour. Clive should have waited until the doctor and Whitney was confident in her abilities. I don't recall ever in her career, her being lambasted for her voice like she did constantly during that tour. In this age and time, with YouTube, the news spreaded Stateside as quick as click on the keyboard. I believe all that negative press on her voice took a toll on her (to say the least).

[Edited 4/5/12 11:19am]

none of us are really close enough to the situation to judge davis on the tour. It's possible that the thought of staying busy would help her and it does help to stay busy when you have a troubled mind. The worse thing you can do when you are worried or stressed is to do nothing but that. I think the loss of her voice had to hurt like hell though, it's like an athlete, once they can't do it anymore they go a little crazy. James Brown was known to be a disciplined cat when he was young so I always wondered why he got involved with PCP as an old man. Recently, I was browsing through a book and one of his friends said something to the effect of "can you imagine how it feels to be that much of a perfectionist and you can't do the splits anymore?" and gave that as the reason for the drugs, I fully believe it.

petes2 said:

Musicslave said:

I remember commenting on this site about her not being ready yet for that European tour she got internationally hammered for. I believe Clive like many other managers and label heads was using Europe as a warm up for the States. Kind of how D'Angelo just did. However, Whitney wasn't even ready for that yet. Her vocal chords hadn't healed and strengthened enough. Her vocal coach said if he had more time, he would've been able to get her voice a lot stronger than it was by the time she passed. He based this on the progress they had made up to that point. Not to mention the obvious point of her still using.

Let me be clear, I blame Whitney for Whitney. But it didn't help when she agreed to do that tour. Clive should have waited until the doctor and Whitney was confident in her abilities. I don't recall ever in her career, her being lambasted for her voice like she did constantly during that tour. In this age and time, with YouTube, the news spreaded Stateside as quick as click on the keyboard. I believe all that negative press on her voice took a toll on her (to say the least).

[Edited 4/5/12 11:19am]

none of us are really close enough to the situation to judge davis on the tour. It's possible that the thought of staying busy would help her and it does help to stay busy when you have a troubled mind. The worse thing you can do when you are worried or stressed is to do nothing but that. I think the loss of her voice had to hurt like hell though, it's like an athlete, once they can't do it anymore they go a little crazy. James Brown was known to be a disciplined cat when he was young so I always wondered why he got involved with PCP as an old man. Recently, I was browsing through a book and one of his friends said something to the effect of "can you imagine how it feels to be that much of a perfectionist and you can't do the splits anymore?" and gave that as the reason for the drugs, I fully believe it.

James Brown used to be real teetotal during his heyday. He fined anyone who even smoke a cigarette. I don't know a timeline but since he was still doing splits until around age 50 or 51, I'll say he started using angel dust (PCP) around that time.

HotGritz said:

SUPRMAN said:

I disagree. No one was forcing Whitney to take drugs or be around those who would supply and use with her.

Being an addict doesn't mean you can no longer make choices. Addicts still make decisions, although not necessarily in their best interest.

The people who were around there were there because of Whitney. Who believes if she didn't want you around you'd be gone? I'd say most of us.

A diabetic can still say no to chocolate cake being offered. Being offered chocolate cake will not kill a diabetic. Eating it without regard for other relevant factors might.

I didn't say anybody forced her to use drugs or forced her to associate with people who use drugs. That is not my point at all.

My point is that drugs impair one's judgement and can keep you from making choices that are in your best interest as opposed to choices that would bring harm to yourself and others. Why do you think we have laws against drunk driving? Because we have learned that an impaired person is a danger to themselves and others.

People who were around Whitney were there because of what Whitney could do for them. Whitney was a superstar with great earning power , she was a beloved icon and THAT'S why she had an entourage and that's why she was surrounded by people who most likely would let her do whatever she wanted even if what she wanted was not good for her.

A diabetic can still say no? Well that depends. Is the diabetic a child? An elderly person suffering dimentia? Being offered something and consuming something are two different things. I still contend that if someone offers you something bad, watches you consume something bad, doesn't discourage you from using something then they are an enabler and in Whitney's case, an enabler is not what she needed in her life. Without such persons, she might still be alive.

Look at people like Tom Sizemore, Lindsay Lohan, and El Debarge. One can argue that what they all have in common are a fake and weak network of friends/fans/family along with a desire to beat their addiction. The problem lies in the equation. A weak support group or lack of support is not conducive to a full recovery and sober lifestyle. If one wants and needs help, one must be around people who are able and willing to help you get the help you need. Dr. Drew, as much as he irritates me, made a good point when he mentioned that the nights before Whitney's death she was at the club drinking champagne. Her friends allowed her to party with alchohol knowing she had just gotten out of rehab a few months prior. Who the hell encourages an addict to fall off the wagon?

The people around her bare some responsibility. Bottom line!

With addicts in my family, there's really only so much you can do to be supportive. It's frustrating, it's a lot of wasted energy and it's usually for nothing. No one can babysit in this competive ass society we live in so a person has to do it themselves. After having seen enough of addiction, I'm pretty much out of sympathy and really wouldn't lift a finger to try to help an addict ever again. As far as the company you keep, that's another flimsy excuse for relapse, again, a person has to pick who they want and don't want around them. It's not that hard to cut people the fuck out of your life forever, it really isn't. So I've never understood it. I feel sad for whitney because of her gifts, a one in a billion voice, and even though I was never a major fan of the poppy music she made I always thought she had a cute, funny personality that was oddly appealing. She never was a diva, she was a dorky girl who tried to act like a diva and that was loveable in it's own way. a

petes2 said:

Musicslave said:

I remember commenting on this site about her not being ready yet for that European tour she got internationally hammered for. I believe Clive like many other managers and label heads was using Europe as a warm up for the States. Kind of how D'Angelo just did. However, Whitney wasn't even ready for that yet. Her vocal chords hadn't healed and strengthened enough. Her vocal coach said if he had more time, he would've been able to get her voice a lot stronger than it was by the time she passed. He based this on the progress they had made up to that point. Not to mention the obvious point of her still using.

Let me be clear, I blame Whitney for Whitney. But it didn't help when she agreed to do that tour. Clive should have waited until the doctor and Whitney was confident in her abilities. I don't recall ever in her career, her being lambasted for her voice like she did constantly during that tour. In this age and time, with YouTube, the news spreaded Stateside as quick as click on the keyboard. I believe all that negative press on her voice took a toll on her (to say the least).

[Edited 4/5/12 11:19am]

none of us are really close enough to the situation to judge davis on the tour. It's possible that the thought of staying busy would help her and it does help to stay busy when you have a troubled mind. The worse thing you can do when you are worried or stressed is to do nothing but that. I think the loss of her voice had to hurt like hell though, it's like an athlete, once they can't do it anymore they go a little crazy. James Brown was known to be a disciplined cat when he was young so I always wondered why he got involved with PCP as an old man. Recently, I was browsing through a book and one of his friends said something to the effect of "can you imagine how it feels to be that much of a perfectionist and you can't do the splits anymore?" and gave that as the reason for the drugs, I fully believe it.

Perhaps an inappropriate speaking on my part about CD. Just expressing a feeling. I like your use of James and the splits here - very illustrative.

Report: Bobbi Kristina Sits Through Family Intervention

*Since her mother’s death, Bobbi Kristina has been on watch by her family.

The Houston clan recently held an intervention for the struggling celebrity daughter who has been quickly slipping into darkness according to us.

RELATED: Autopsy Report Reveals Ch...’s Death

It says the 19 year old is at risk of falling to the same fate as her mother since lately she’s been smoking quite a bit of weed, popping pills and drinking out of control.

“Everyone is worried sick about Krissy,” one insider said. “Her aunt Pat got a number of her friends and family to come to Atlanta and have a serious talk with her about her sobriety.”

But sources say family members are afraid the intervention hasn’t been much of an impact. One source is saying that at this point Clive Davis has gotten involved and encouraged the teen to go to rehab.

Since Houston’s death, Bobbi has been suffering mood swings and out of control behavior.

“It comes in waves: One moment I can be happy and laughing, but then it comes over me,” she told Oprah. “Sometimes, it’s so surreal. I still walk into the house like, ‘Mom?’ But I’ve accepted it.”

[Edited 4/6/12 14:07pm]

petes2 said:

HotGritz said:

I didn't say anybody forced her to use drugs or forced her to associate with people who use drugs. That is not my point at all.

My point is that drugs impair one's judgement and can keep you from making choices that are in your best interest as opposed to choices that would bring harm to yourself and others. Why do you think we have laws against drunk driving? Because we have learned that an impaired person is a danger to themselves and others.

People who were around Whitney were there because of what Whitney could do for them. Whitney was a superstar with great earning power , she was a beloved icon and THAT'S why she had an entourage and that's why she was surrounded by people who most likely would let her do whatever she wanted even if what she wanted was not good for her.

A diabetic can still say no? Well that depends. Is the diabetic a child? An elderly person suffering dimentia? Being offered something and consuming something are two different things. I still contend that if someone offers you something bad, watches you consume something bad, doesn't discourage you from using something then they are an enabler and in Whitney's case, an enabler is not what she needed in her life. Without such persons, she might still be alive.

Look at people like Tom Sizemore, Lindsay Lohan, and El Debarge. One can argue that what they all have in common are a fake and weak network of friends/fans/family along with a desire to beat their addiction. The problem lies in the equation. A weak support group or lack of support is not conducive to a full recovery and sober lifestyle. If one wants and needs help, one must be around people who are able and willing to help you get the help you need. Dr. Drew, as much as he irritates me, made a good point when he mentioned that the nights before Whitney's death she was at the club drinking champagne. Her friends allowed her to party with alchohol knowing she had just gotten out of rehab a few months prior. Who the hell encourages an addict to fall off the wagon?

The people around her bare some responsibility. Bottom line!

With addicts in my family, there's really only so much you can do to be supportive. It's frustrating, it's a lot of wasted energy and it's usually for nothing. No one can babysit in this competive ass society we live in so a person has to do it themselves. After having seen enough of addiction, I'm pretty much out of sympathy and really wouldn't lift a finger to try to help an addict ever again. As far as the company you keep, that's another flimsy excuse for relapse, again, a person has to pick who they want and don't want around them. It's not that hard to cut people the fuck out of your life forever, it really isn't. So I've never understood it. I feel sad for whitney because of her gifts, a one in a billion voice, and even though I was never a major fan of the poppy music she made I always thought she had a cute, funny personality that was oddly appealing. She never was a diva, she was a dorky girl who tried to act like a diva and that was loveable in it's own way. a

Come on now. You have sober women in abusive relationships who stay year after year. You have educated parents who have the worst kids and yet they make excuses and stand by their child. Are friendships that much different especially if you are both emotionally attached AND drug addicted? Like I said, Whitney was not in her right mind because her mind was clouded and altered from long periods of drug use. Coke, crack, speed, alchohol are not called mind altering drugs for nothing. I think she was at a point in her life where the lines between friend and foe were severely blurred for her. Look at how long it took her to divorce Bobby's stank ass. Yeah I said it. I know we're supposed to be past throwing him under the bus with regard to her drug use but he was still a rotten husband and apparently a no good dad since Bobbi Kris isn't trying to bother with him.

I read part of the autopsy report again, Whitney had a hole in her septum from cocaine use.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Report: Bobbi Kristina Sits Through Family Intervention

April 5, 2012 By E/KCOOL

*Since her mother’s death, Bobbi Kristina has been on watch by her family.

The Houston clan recently held an intervention for the struggling celebrity daughter who has been quickly slipping into darkness according to us.

RELATED: Autopsy Report Reveals Ch...’s Death

It says the 19 year old is at risk of falling to the same fate as her mother since lately she’s been smoking quite a bit of weed, popping pills and drinking out of control.

“Everyone is worried sick about Krissy,” one insider said. “Her aunt Pat got a number of her friends and family to come to Atlanta and have a serious talk with her about her sobriety.”

But sources say family members are afraid the intervention hasn’t been much of an impact. One source is saying that at this point Clive Davis has gotten involved and encouraged the teen to go to rehab.

Since Houston’s death, Bobbi has been suffering mood swings and out of control behavior.

“It comes in waves: One moment I can be happy and laughing, but then it comes over me,” she told Oprah. “Sometimes, it’s so surreal. I still walk into the house like, ‘Mom?’ But I’ve accepted it.”

[Edited 4/6/12 14:07pm]

said is a few weeks ago, given her parents problems, the culture of celebrity and hollywood, the cards are stacked, no more than stacked against her. Feel bad for her.

HotGritz said:

petes2 said:

With addicts in my family, there's really only so much you can do to be supportive. It's frustrating, it's a lot of wasted energy and it's usually for nothing. No one can babysit in this competive ass society we live in so a person has to do it themselves. After having seen enough of addiction, I'm pretty much out of sympathy and really wouldn't lift a finger to try to help an addict ever again. As far as the company you keep, that's another flimsy excuse for relapse, again, a person has to pick who they want and don't want around them. It's not that hard to cut people the fuck out of your life forever, it really isn't. So I've never understood it. I feel sad for whitney because of her gifts, a one in a billion voice, and even though I was never a major fan of the poppy music she made I always thought she had a cute, funny personality that was oddly appealing. She never was a diva, she was a dorky girl who tried to act like a diva and that was loveable in it's own way. a

Come on now. You have sober women in abusive relationships who stay year after year. You have educated parents who have the worst kids and yet they make excuses and stand by their child. Are friendships that much different especially if you are both emotionally attached AND drug addicted? Like I said, Whitney was not in her right mind because her mind was clouded and altered from long periods of drug use. Coke, crack, speed, alchohol are not called mind altering drugs for nothing. I think she was at a point in her life where the lines between friend and foe were severely blurred for her. Look at how long it took her to divorce Bobby's stank ass. Yeah I said it. I know we're supposed to be past throwing him under the bus with regard to her drug use but he was still a rotten husband and apparently a no good dad since Bobbi Kris isn't trying to bother with him.

you just reiterated what I'm saying, it's a persons choice, I can't do it for them so I don't bother. I know what you are trying to say and how inundated we are with the rehab bullshit but I just don't really by it. Maybe because I've always said no when the devil came to tempt me.

petes2 said:

HotGritz said:

Come on now. You have sober women in abusive relationships who stay year after year. You have educated parents who have the worst kids and yet they make excuses and stand by their child. Are friendships that much different especially if you are both emotionally attached AND drug addicted? Like I said, Whitney was not in her right mind because her mind was clouded and altered from long periods of drug use. Coke, crack, speed, alchohol are not called mind altering drugs for nothing. I think she was at a point in her life where the lines between friend and foe were severely blurred for her. Look at how long it took her to divorce Bobby's stank ass. Yeah I said it. I know we're supposed to be past throwing him under the bus with regard to her drug use but he was still a rotten husband and apparently a no good dad since Bobbi Kris isn't trying to bother with him.

you just reiterated what I'm saying, it's a persons choice, I can't do it for them so I don't bother. I know what you are trying to say and how inundated we are with the rehab bullshit but I just don't really by it. Maybe because I've always said no when the devil came to tempt me.

I hear you say: Drugs have no affect on the choices we make. Whitney knew what she was doing and what the outcome would be.

I say: Drugs absolutely affect our choices and an inebriated, chemically damaged mind cannot make the right kind of choices regarding their health. Whitney didn't know any better.

Whatever the opinion, drugs is what caused Whitney to die. She didn't wanna leave but when your mind and body is immune to whatever you use, it leads to some crazy moments. Whitney went out like Jim Morrison.

HotGritz said:

petes2 said:

you just reiterated what I'm saying, it's a persons choice, I can't do it for them so I don't bother. I know what you are trying to say and how inundated we are with the rehab bullshit but I just don't really by it. Maybe because I've always said no when the devil came to tempt me.

I hear you say: Drugs have no affect on the choices we make. Whitney knew what she was doing and what the outcome would be.

I say: Drugs absolutely affect our choices and an inebriated, chemically damaged mind cannot make the right kind of choices regarding their health. Whitney didn't know any better.

ya but you can't be stoned 24/7, that would be like being horny and craving sex 24/7, it doesn't happen like that. I know a druggie gets to jonesing, I've seen it, but it's not like they are drunk or high at that moment. Now of course when you're drunk, anything goes but whitney would have had to snort south america to stay high like you're saying and would have died 20 years ago.

Timmy84 said:

Whatever the opinion, drugs is what caused Whitney to die. She didn't wanna leave but when your mind and body is immune to whatever you use, it leads to some crazy moments. Whitney went out like Jim Morrison.

I'm just saying that when the bad people come around, (i call them motherfuckers) it's not that hard to tell them to fuck off. I always have, always. Only a fool gets exploited.

Timmy84 said:

I read part of the autopsy report again, Whitney had a hole in her septum from cocaine use.

Sad-I'm sure this whole revealing autopsy has been extra rough on her daughter. Poor child. Hopefully she will not fall into the same trap as her mom.

petes2 said:

Timmy84 said:

Whatever the opinion, drugs is what caused Whitney to die. She didn't wanna leave but when your mind and body is immune to whatever you use, it leads to some crazy moments. Whitney went out like Jim Morrison.

I'm just saying that when the bad people come around, (i call them motherfuckers) it's not that hard to tell them to fuck off. I always have, always. Only a fool gets exploited.

In this scenario it seems most of Whitney's entourage were hangers-on and they didn't or couldn't tell her to get off the drugs because that meant they couldn't eat. I don't know. I'm also thinking that the more people go on about Whitney NOT wanting to take baths, maybe she was cool with taking baths. The autopsy actually gave me a picture on how the report concluded she drowned: she possibly became dizzy from a reaction of drugs, cocaine and pills but she only took small dosages, and in trying to get it together, suddenly fell over the tub and the water, its temperature, and the bad reaction from the drugs led to her heart, body and everything else giving out and this explains how she really died. The hangers-on took their fucking time getting back to Whitney's hotel room before discovering her. She was already dead when they all arrived back.

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

I read part of the autopsy report again, Whitney had a hole in her septum from cocaine use.

Sad-I'm sure this whole revealing autopsy has been extra rough on her daughter. Poor child. Hopefully she will not fall into the same trap as her mom.

Right. I'm sure she's just disturbed over what killed her mama.

Besides the pills, sounds like your average college freshmen.

[Edited 4/6/12 15:11pm]

petes2 said:

HotGritz said:

I hear you say: Drugs have no affect on the choices we make. Whitney knew what she was doing and what the outcome would be.

I say: Drugs absolutely affect our choices and an inebriated, chemically damaged mind cannot make the right kind of choices regarding their health. Whitney didn't know any better.

ya but you can't be stoned 24/7, that would be like being horny and craving sex 24/7, it doesn't happen like that. I know a druggie gets to jonesing, I've seen it, but it's not like they are drunk or high at that moment. Now of course when you're drunk, anything goes but whitney would have had to snort south america to stay high like you're saying and would have died 20 years ago.

Ok I don't want to laugh at that but its mad funny. Forget the part of getting stoned and focus on the damage that the drugs have done to one's brain. Her brain, and therefore her thought processes, were not that of a lucid, drug-free, person posessing clarity and the ability to make rationale and right decisions. Even the fact that she had seizures shows the extent to which the drugs damaged her brain.

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nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

I read part of the autopsy report again, Whitney had a hole in her septum from cocaine use.

Sad-I'm sure this whole revealing autopsy has been extra rough on her daughter. Poor child. Hopefully she will not fall into the same trap as her mom.

I think she will but not as bad as her mom. The reason I think this is because I believe Bobbi Kris to have a predisposition to alchohol on the count of her daddy being a heavy drinker prior and after her being conceived. She already was caught snorting coke and she still drinks. There are pics of her at the age of 11 holding a bottle of koolaid like it was a 40 ounce. I knew then the girl was in trouble. And I'm only assuming it really was koolaid.

HotGritz said:

nursev said:

Sad-I'm sure this whole revealing autopsy has been extra rough on her daughter. Poor child. Hopefully she will not fall into the same trap as her mom.

I think she will but not as bad as her mom. The reason I think this is because I believe Bobbi Kris to have a predisposition to alchohol on the count of her daddy being a heavy drinker prior and after her being conceived. She already was caught snorting coke and she still drinks. There are pics of her at the age of 11 holding a bottle of koolaid like it was a 40 ounce. I knew then the girl was in trouble. And I'm only assuming it really was koolaid.

I think you're right. Not trying to sound negative but every time I see her she looks like nothing as happened. It's like she is or have not grieved for her mother. I can't say what shes like in private, but from my own experience with the death of a parent. A child has to let that out some way or it will lead to problems. Something is wrong with her-she does not act like she just lost her mother. Hell I know 40 yr olds who have lost a parent and are messed up for years.

I've been saying for years that Whitney had dentures because of that whack ass lisp she had going on. But I was proven wrong by this autopsy report! She had a full set of upper dental implants. I should have known that someone with her wealth would go for the better option. I just can't imagine doing so much drugs that your teeth rot out. She must have been so embarrassed walking into the dentist's office.

Timmy84 said:

nursev said:

Sad-I'm sure this whole revealing autopsy has been extra rough on her daughter. Poor child. Hopefully she will not fall into the same trap as her mom.

Right. I'm sure she's just disturbed over what killed her mama.

Let's hope it will change and she won't end up being a bigger mess than her parents.