nursev said:

HotGritz said:

I'm not going to totally rule out foul play but....what does water temperature have to do with anything? The coroner initially said "accidental drowning" which means she had to have been submerged long enough to get water in her lungs and if the bath water is too hot, there is no way you will put your whole body in there. Also, she was wrapped in a towel right? Why would someone drown her then take her out of the tub and wrap her in a towel only to lay her face down?

Yall gon make me lose my mind with all this CSI shit.

I liked it better when we were blaming Bobby Brown.

The First 48 Somebody gone tell some shit sooner or later

We need that asian dude from the OJ trial to do an assessment cuz something wrong!

HotGritz said:

nursev said:

The First 48 Somebody gone tell some shit sooner or later

We need that asian dude from the OJ trial to do an assessment cuz something wrong!

Dr. Muthafucking Lee CSI or First 48 some shit just don't sound right to me

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

I'm not going to totally rule out foul play but....what does water temperature have to do with anything? The coroner initially said "accidental drowning" which means she had to have been submerged long enough to get water in her lungs and if the bath water is too hot, there is no way you will put your whole body in there. Also, she was wrapped in a towel right? Why would someone drown her then take her out of the tub and wrap her in a towel only to lay her face down?

Yall gon make me lose my mind with all this CSI shit.

I liked it better when we were blaming Bobby Brown.

That's why folks are going nuts right now because they can't blame Whitney's death on Bobby's ass.

U know if Bobby had been anywhere in that hotel at the time of Whit's death it would be open season on his ass. I don't even like Bobby but I'm glad he was on tour with NE when Whitney died.

Now as for Ray Jay's ass......he a fuckin' drug dealer I don care wut nobody say! Can't stand that ho ass troll. He need to go on somewhere.

nursev said:

HotGritz said:

We need that asian dude from the OJ trial to do an assessment cuz something wrong!

Dr. Muthafucking Lee CSI or First 48 some shit just don't sound right to me

And Pat's ass flip flopping doesn't help. First she suggests Nippy was merked and then she says she wasn't.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

That's why folks are going nuts right now because they can't blame Whitney's death on Bobby's ass.

U know if Bobby had been anywhere in that hotel at the time of Whit's death it would be open season on his ass. I don't even like Bobby but I'm glad he was on tour with NE when Whitney died.

Now as for Ray Jay's ass......he a fuckin' drug dealer I don care wut nobody say! Can't stand that ho ass troll. He need to go on somewhere.

Along with "professional celebrity leech" Raffles Van Exel

November said:

HotGritz said:

U know if Bobby had been anywhere in that hotel at the time of Whit's death it would be open season on his ass. I don't even like Bobby but I'm glad he was on tour with NE when Whitney died.

Now as for Ray Jay's ass......he a fuckin' drug dealer I don care wut nobody say! Can't stand that ho ass troll. He need to go on somewhere.

Along with "professional celebrity leech" Raffles Van Exel

Even his name sounds leechy.

HotGritz said:

November said:

Along with "professional celebrity leech" Raffles Van Exel

Even his name sounds leechy.

It really does.

HotGritz said:

nursev said:

Dr. Muthafucking Lee CSI or First 48 some shit just don't sound right to me

And Pat's ass flip flopping doesn't help. First she suggests Nippy was merked and then she says she wasn't.

Nah I just think they're just STUPID. Got brains and don't know how to use them. That's why folks online have been CSI-ing the fuck out of Whitney's death...

So...If the water was that fucking hot who just jumped in there and pulled her out? I mean somebody took the time to wrap her in a towel-they coulda been doing CPR for that time Im just saying and Pat's ass just makes me nervous.

So how many folks were in the room with her? How long were they gone? The water was hot, but her body was cold How long was she out of the water before help arrived? Shit don't sound right.

NDRU said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Houston, 48, was found submerged in a bathtub filled with extremely hot water (93.5 degrees)

Maybe this is not important, but...

I just read that the water temp was taken 6 hours after her death. ???

Nah I just think they're just STUPID. Don't Got brains. and don't know how to use them. That's why folks online have been CSI-ing the fuck out of Whitney's death... yep

And Pat's ass flip flopping doesn't help. That Trick makes me appreciate the straight forward Brown family even more; Love them or leave them they are naked to the world and seem to have no shame in their game, and seemed to express real Love for Whitney, even when taking advantage with National Enquirer interviews to get some desperate cash. They are at least transparent in the way they conduct themselves. [But this is still Ninja funny - "I liked it better when we were blaming Bobby Brown." ]

Bill Cosby's old joke about how if you are an asshole, cocaine does the job of making you a huge asshole keeps trying to remind me of how it is told. I think I'll try and find it on the Google machine.

I have been in denial that Whitney's death has made me very sad, the train wreck had just been so long in coming. I never liked her material, but what a gift her voice was. And secretly I always wanted to make out with her - just for a little bit, she was so pretty.

nursev said:

So how many folks were in the room with her? How long were they gone? The water was hot, but her body was cold How long was she out of the water before help arrived? Shit don't sound right.

Where's Gary Sinese and that redhead dude?

Now it doesn't take long to drown, IF, you can't swim OR somebody is holding you under water. Even people who fall asleep in the tub are awakened once they have difficulty breathing. Our bodies mostly go into survival mode. Whit would have jolted up and coughed and vomited and tried to regain her breathing. The other possiblity is dry drowning where just enough water enters the lungs but not enough to immobilize you immediately. I've read about this happening to kids at water parks. They swim, they exit the pool and play. Things seem fine and moments later they're dead and no one knows why.

The other strange thing is that even if someone checked on Whit and saw she was under then removed her from the pool to perform CPR....why was the water still hot? Bath water cools rapidly so at least the temp should have been in the 70s.

Why was she face down? That's now how CPR is done.

The autopsy report said she may have had an overdose or supposedly a heart event. She was probably already dead when her head hit the tub.

HotGritz said:

nursev said:

So how many folks were in the room with her? How long were they gone? The water was hot, but her body was cold How long was she out of the water before help arrived? Shit don't sound right.

Where's Gary Sinese and that redhead dude?

Now it doesn't take long to drown, IF, you can't swim OR somebody is holding you under water. Even people who fall asleep in the tub are awakened once they have difficulty breathing. Our bodies mostly go into survival mode. Whit would have jolted up and coughed and vomited and tried to regain her breathing. The other possiblity is dry drowning where just enough water enters the lungs but not enough to immobilize you immediately. I've read about this happening to kids at water parks. They swim, they exit the pool and play. Things seem fine and moments later they're dead and no one knows why.

The other strange thing is that even if someone checked on Whit and saw she was under then removed her from the pool to perform CPR....why was the water still hot? Bath water cools rapidly so at least the temp should have been in the 70s.

Why was she face down? That's now how CPR is done.

See that's why I'm saying alotta loose ends and it doesn't sound right. I can only hope out of mercy that she was dead before she hit the water. The blockage in her arteries were serious. Imagine being in such hot water-the scalding She had to already be dead. The bath water like you said should have been cooling already-it's like it was still running all that time and left to get hotter-some shit ain't right.

I want to know who had life insurance policies on her, how much, and when were they opened. I know somebody is getting paid! Don't record companies usually have insurance policies on their artists?

Timmy84 said:

The autopsy report said she may have had an overdose or supposedly a heart event. She was probably already dead when her head hit the tub.

She had to be Terrible, terrible way to go. Damn a body being in such an element for what 10, 15, 30 minutes Poor Whit.

HotGritz said:

I want to know who had life insurance policies on her, how much, and when were they opened. I know somebody is getting paid! Don't record companies usually have insurance policies on their artists?

Got this from another site:

As I was getting my shoulder ready last night, I reacted the scene. IF you are turning the handles on the tub for a bath and have a seizure and fall over (or just fall over without a seizure), your skin is going to get scraped by by the faucet handles and you are going to suffer various abrasions and contusions AND you will fall head first. When your body goes limp, most of it will slide under and your feet will be sticking out.

The report makes sense to me.

Whitney seemed to be coming off some prescription medicine and going back to cocaine; it shocked her body but Whitney didn't realize it. She goes to turn the knobs to cool down the water and falls into the tub head first; she is unable to get out because she is so high and she drowns.

Timmy84 said:

Got this from another site:

As I was getting my shoulder ready last night, I reacted the scene. IF you are turning the handles on the tub for a bath and have a seizure and fall over (or just fall over without a seizure), your skin is going to get scraped by by the faucet handles and you are going to suffer various abrasions and contusions AND you will fall head first. When your body goes limp, most of it will slide under and your feet will be sticking out.

The report makes sense to me.

Whitney seemed to be coming off some prescription medicine and going back to cocaine; it shocked her body but Whitney didn't realize it. She goes to turn the knobs to cool down the water and falls into the tub head first; she is unable to get out because she is so high and she drowns.

I don't know-if it was head first I'd think there would aleast be a head contusion or something.

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

Got this from another site:

I don't know-if it was head first I'd think there would aleast be a head contusion or something.

Whitney may have had something close to a contusion or an abrasion. The report ironically didn't mention that but the way Whitney's death is described it's possible. Whitney was too high to do anything. She probably tried to get the water to cool but had the seizure and fell to the tub head first.

Timmy84 said:

nursev said:

I don't know-if it was head first I'd think there would aleast be a head contusion or something.

Whitney may have had something close to a contusion or an abrasion. The report ironically didn't mention that but the way Whitney's death is described it's possible. Whitney was too high to do anything. She probably tried to get the water to cool but had the seizure and fell to the tub head first.

You're probably right-just a messed up way to die. A 1,000 ways to die needs this one

Timmy84 said:

Got this from another site:

As I was getting my shoulder ready last night, I reacted the scene. IF you are turning the handles on the tub for a bath and have a seizure and fall over (or just fall over without a seizure), your skin is going to get scraped by by the faucet handles and you are going to suffer various abrasions and contusions AND you will fall head first. When your body goes limp, most of it will slide under and your feet will be sticking out.

The report makes sense to me.

Whitney seemed to be coming off some prescription medicine and going back to cocaine; it shocked her body but Whitney didn't realize it. She goes to turn the knobs to cool down the water and falls into the tub head first; she is unable to get out because she is so high and she drowns.

So if she had the seizure and fell head first into the tub with the rest of her body slowly falling in....where's the wet towel or robe? I imagine she would have been wearing something. I'm more a shower girl but even with baths, i dont remove my robe until i am absolutely ready to get in. That's when I'm in hotels. At home its differentl. Also would there have been a splash once she fell in head first? Water would have been all over the floor and more towels would be needed to absorb the water and keep anyone from slipping.

I'm with nurse....shit don't sound right. I also think because of Whit's history with drug abuse, authorities wouldn't even consider the possibility of homicide.

so whats the lesson about her death boys n girls for future people who may read this ??

[Edited 4/5/12 17:21pm]

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

Whitney may have had something close to a contusion or an abrasion. The report ironically didn't mention that but the way Whitney's death is described it's possible. Whitney was too high to do anything. She probably tried to get the water to cool but had the seizure and fell to the tub head first.

You're probably right-just a messed up way to die. A 1,000 ways to die needs this one

Yeah it should. Death is strange. There's no simple way to die like we all think it is.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

Got this from another site:

So if she had the seizure and fell head first into the tub with the rest of her body slowly falling in....where's the wet towel or robe? I imagine she would have been wearing something. I'm more a shower girl but even with baths, i dont remove my robe until i am absolutely ready to get in. That's when I'm in hotels. At home its differentl. Also would there have been a splash once she fell in head first? Water would have been all over the floor and more towels would be needed to absorb the water and keep anyone from slipping.

I'm with nurse....shit don't sound right. I also think because of Whit's history with drug abuse, authorities wouldn't even consider the possibility of homicide.

See that's a question to be asked-would they seriously look into that considering her drug usage history. Somebody could get away with murder.

HotGritz said:

^ Bob you should be thankful that you have a responsible doctor who only gives you 30 pills at a time but um.....if you are in so much control then why are still taking Vicodin at all?

Are you to be trusted when you are high on vicodin or are you to be trusted when the drug is not in your system?

Where's you support network or are you really fighting the battle all on your own? Lastly how long have you been an addict?

I ask the questions because I don't want this thread to paint a picture that all addicts are the same and that no one could use help fighting their addiction and the people around us have no impact.

I simply don't believe that nonsense. If all addicts could just kick a drug all on their own and didn't need positive people in their lives then all these rehab and treatment centers are a joke. The self-help books are a joke and no drug dealer should spend a day in prison.

ALL?

No 'ALL' can do anything. Who beleives all addicts are the same? Not sure how that is a concern.

I too beat an addiction, twice, more than ten years apart.

I had no support system because I would not tell anyone I was an addict. I could work while addicted.

I chose to stop. It wasn't easy but I fought through it.

Am I to be trusted? I was just as trusted when I was an addict. I never stole or robbed or assaulted anyone.

I don't blame Whitney for her death, she wasn't trying to die and if she knew that her actions would take her there she most likely would have waited to do more drugs.

nursev said:

This whole thing just stinks of some foul shit. I mean face down in a bathtub of hot scalding water some shit ain't right in Houstonville.

93 degrees is not scalding. Your body temperature is higher.

HotGritz said:

I'm not going to totally rule out foul play but....what does water temperature have to do with anything? The coroner initially said "accidental drowning" which means she had to have been submerged long enough to get water in her lungs and if the bath water is too hot, there is no way you will put your whole body in there. Also, she was wrapped in a towel right? Why would someone drown her then take her out of the tub and wrap her in a towel only to lay her face down?

Yall gon make me lose my mind with all this CSI shit.

I liked it better when we were blaming Bobby Brown.

It's called an accidental drowning because she was not yet dead when she inhaled the water but she was unconscious. With or without the tub, she would've died.

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

Got this from another site:

I don't know-if it was head first I'd think there would aleast be a head contusion or something.

Sh could have slumped into the tub. Maybe she was trying to sit down or lower her head after feeling light headed.

nursev said:

HotGritz said:

So if she had the seizure and fell head first into the tub with the rest of her body slowly falling in....where's the wet towel or robe? I imagine she would have been wearing something. I'm more a shower girl but even with baths, i dont remove my robe until i am absolutely ready to get in. That's when I'm in hotels. At home its differentl. Also would there have been a splash once she fell in head first? Water would have been all over the floor and more towels would be needed to absorb the water and keep anyone from slipping.

I'm with nurse....shit don't sound right. I also think because of Whit's history with drug abuse, authorities wouldn't even consider the possibility of homicide.

See that's a question to be asked-would they seriously look into that considering her drug usage history. Somebody could get away with murder.

How would she have been murdered? Of course they investigated the possibility of murder.

What suggests murder? She died?