All those people around her during her last days and right up to the point that she died....those drugs could have belonged to anybody. I'm going to go on and say it....somebody in her inner circle is to blame for her relapse if that is indeed what happened. Personal assistant, makeup artists, hair stylists, wardrobe stylists, sister-in-law etc. Too many people around her. Somebody was an enabler.

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Just a sad situation all around. The temp of the water really bothers me damn why was it that hot?

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But, if they were indeed Enablers, she knew it. Addicts want to keep their Enablers around. If you want to change your life, you surround yourself with different types of people. We can go around and around about who she had around her and who didn't have her back and so forth, but, in the end, Nippy was an ADDICT. She knew it. We all make choices. She choose to continue to let the disease control her, which lead to her demise.

Her mom's interview seemed kinda weird too-maybe it's just me. I hope Whitney is resting in peace.

Just sad.

I love you Whitney, Rest you beautiful soul in peace.

kitbradley said:

But, if they were indeed Enablers, she knew it. Addicts want to keep their Enablers around. If you want to change your life, you surround yourself with different types of people. We can go around and around about who she had around her and who didn't have her back and so forth, but, in the end, Nippy was an ADDICT. She knew it. We all make choices. She choose to continue to let the disease control her, which lead to her demise.

True but i don't trust addicts to make the right decisions where their health and livelihood are concerned. That's why I say the people around her bare some responsibility. If you know someone is sick, you don't aid them in worsening their condition. How many of us would give chocolate cake to a known diabetic?

kitbradley said:

But, if they were indeed Enablers, she knew it. Addicts want to keep their Enablers around. If you want to change your life, you surround yourself with different types of people. We can go around and around about who she had around her and who didn't have her back and so forth, but, in the end, Nippy was an ADDICT. She knew it. We all make choices. She choose to continue to let the disease control her, which lead to her demise.

Pretty much in a nutshell. So sad though, all that talent just gone

HotGritz said:

kitbradley said:

But, if they were indeed Enablers, she knew it. Addicts want to keep their Enablers around. If you want to change your life, you surround yourself with different types of people. We can go around and around about who she had around her and who didn't have her back and so forth, but, in the end, Nippy was an ADDICT. She knew it. We all make choices. She choose to continue to let the disease control her, which lead to her demise.

True but i don't trust addicts to make the right decisions where their health and livelihood are concerned. That's why I say the people around her bare some responsibility. If you know someone is sick, you don't aid them in worsening their condition. How many of us would give chocolate cake to a known diabetic?

I get what you are sayin' Gritz, but for real though, if Whitney was as strong willed as folks keep saying, as long as she wanted those "enablers" around, then they were going to be around. If her sister-in-law was sincere (I'm not sure if she is or isn't sincere) enough to try and keep the enablers out, Whitney still could have found a way to keep them around in some way, shape or form. You can't keep a 24/7 watch on a person. You just can't. Addicts, if they aren't ready to turn their life around, are going to find a way to get what they want to enable their addiction. Straight up. It's just so apparent that Whitney was a really unhappy person. I get that she had a lot to deal with, but urgh.

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missfee said:

HotGritz said:

True but i don't trust addicts to make the right decisions where their health and livelihood are concerned. That's why I say the people around her bare some responsibility. If you know someone is sick, you don't aid them in worsening their condition. How many of us would give chocolate cake to a known diabetic?

I get what you are sayin' Gritz, but for real though, if Whitney was as strong willed as folks keep saying, as long as she wanted those "enablers" around, then they were going to be around. If her sister-in-law was sincere (I'm not sure if she is or isn't sincere) enough to try and keep the enablers out, Whitney still could have found a way to keep them around in some way, shape or form. You can't keep a 24/7 watch on a person. You just can't. Addicts, if they aren't ready to turn their life around, are going to find a way to get what they want to enable their addiction. Straight up. It's just so apparent that Whitney was a really unhappy person. I get that she had a lot to deal with, but urgh.

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I don't know if Whitney was that strong willed or if it was just a matter of her being the breadwinner and keeping money in people's hands. I'm reminded of when MC Hammer went broke. I'm not comparing him to Whit but I'm speaking about people around you who don't encourage you to do the right thing when the wrong thing helps them. Nobody would have told Hammer to stop spending and fire all those unnecessary people because so many benefited from his financial recklessness. I think in a way it was the same with Whitney. More people benefited from her being sick than her being well. If you are somebody in her employ and you are only in her employ because she's too drugged to realize she doesn't need you then you keep your mouth shut. Plus celebs are always surrounded by yesmen. You almost can't maintain fame without an ass kisser here and there. Look at Lindsay Lohan. Her own mother enables her to do wrong before right. No way she should be making all those damn mistakes and throwing her career and youth away.

Whitney was famous but probably lonely. Financially stable but probably emotionally unstable. And dare I say admired by many and loved by few.

Just saying sometimes we can't blame the addict and say its all on them. Some things are beyond their control and we have to help them rather than wait on them to figure it all out. By help, I mean not give them what they want when what they want is bad for them.

Old girl had a "Bloody purge coming from her nose" and a "perforation of posterior nasal septum."

She was never clean.

One more thing and then I will leave the drug issue alone.

There are choices and then there are informed choices. I don't believe Whitney was in the right state of mind to make an informed choice by which she is aware of all consequences and factors affecting not only her but her family. She was not as informed as she should have been and therefore couldn't make the RIGHT choices.

HotGritz said:

missfee said:

I get what you are sayin' Gritz, but for real though, if Whitney was as strong willed as folks keep saying, as long as she wanted those "enablers" around, then they were going to be around. If her sister-in-law was sincere (I'm not sure if she is or isn't sincere) enough to try and keep the enablers out, Whitney still could have found a way to keep them around in some way, shape or form. You can't keep a 24/7 watch on a person. You just can't. Addicts, if they aren't ready to turn their life around, are going to find a way to get what they want to enable their addiction. Straight up. It's just so apparent that Whitney was a really unhappy person. I get that she had a lot to deal with, but urgh.

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I don't know if Whitney was that strong willed or if it was just a matter of her being the breadwinner and keeping money in people's hands. I'm reminded of when MC Hammer went broke. I'm not comparing him to Whit but I'm speaking about people around you who don't encourage you to do the right thing when the wrong thing helps them. Nobody would have told Hammer to stop spending and fire all those unnecessary people because so many benefited from his financial recklessness. I think in a way it was the same with Whitney. More people benefited from her being sick than her being well. If you are somebody in her employ and you are only in her employ because she's too drugged to realize she doesn't need you then you keep your mouth shut. Plus celebs are always surrounded by yesmen. You almost can't maintain fame without an ass kisser here and there. Look at Lindsay Lohan. Her own mother enables her to do wrong before right. No way she should be making all those damn mistakes and throwing her career and youth away.

Whitney was famous but probably lonely. Financially stable but probably emotionally unstable. And dare I say admired by many and loved by few.

Just saying sometimes we can't blame the addict and say its all on them. Some things are beyond their control and we have to help them rather than wait on them to figure it all out. By help, I mean not give them what they want when what they want is bad for them.

Yeah I get what you are saying. My point was that even when you want to help someone, that its really up to them to receive that help. You can't really force help down their throat; I would think that it would make that person go deeper in the wrong direction. Didn't her mother sort of kidnap her one time and forced her to go to rehab? Well it may have worked for that time period, but it didn't help in the long run because Whitney still wasn't ready (or strong enough) to give up the habit. To me, I think the results of sobriety are more effective and longer lasting when the addict wants to change as opposed to someone basically telling them "look this is what you need to do and this is what you are going to do". Just my opinion but again I understand what you are saying.

lazycrockett said:

Old girl had a "Bloody purge coming from her nose" and a "perforation of posterior nasal septum."

She was never clean.

Never clean = never in her right mind. You can't be an addict and think straight and make wise decisions. The medical community shows us that brain scans on addicts reveal that the drugs literally change your brain and how you process information and make decisions. Whitney was sicker than we know.

I know this might be late or whatever, but it's always bothered me when she admitted that she was doing drugs way before her work on "The Bodyguard". I know it probably shouldn't had been shocking, but it just bothered me then and still bothers me. I guess its easy to say the reason she started using was because of the pressure of rising fame she was dealing with, but somehow, I keep getting that nudging feeling that her insecurities about herself took over?

HotGritz said:

lazycrockett said:

Old girl had a "Bloody purge coming from her nose" and a "perforation of posterior nasal septum."

She was never clean.

Never clean = never in her right mind. You can't be an addict and think straight and make wise decisions. The medical community shows us that brain scans on addicts reveal that the drugs literally change your brain and how you process information and make decisions. Whitney was sicker than we know.

So true.

HotGritz said:

All those people around her during her last days and right up to the point that she died....those drugs could have belonged to anybody. I'm going to go on and say it....somebody in her inner circle is to blame for her relapse if that is indeed what happened. Personal assistant, makeup artists, hair stylists, wardrobe stylists, sister-in-law etc. Too many people around her. Somebody was an enabler.

they may have been the enablers...but SHE took them!!!

HotGritz said:

kitbradley said:

But, if they were indeed Enablers, she knew it. Addicts want to keep their Enablers around. If you want to change your life, you surround yourself with different types of people. We can go around and around about who she had around her and who didn't have her back and so forth, but, in the end, Nippy was an ADDICT. She knew it. We all make choices. She choose to continue to let the disease control her, which lead to her demise.

True but i don't trust addicts to make the right decisions where their health and livelihood are concerned. That's why I say the people around her bare some responsibility. If you know someone is sick, you don't aid them in worsening their condition. How many of us would give chocolate cake to a known diabetic?

Without a doubt. It is especially galling that her people, many who were her family and others who were chosen, seem to want to cast aspersions on Bobby. Bobby is who l feel compasion for most right now; how does he sort all of this out? I do not think he is a bad man, just a wild child grown old without growing up. None of those in her inner circle are speaking about their collective or individual roles in enabling Whitney. (I had no idea until recently that her brother and his second wife may have also been heavy substance abusers, using right along with her.) Her mom must be feeling crazy responsible, no matter what she speaks of in public. That water temperature sounds strange as hell to me. Especially if I was doing some coke I would not be able to get into that water of my own choice. Whitney was a clearly a strong willed woman, making her choices. But I tend to think that because of her substance use she was susceptable to people around her clouding or manipulating the choices that were in front of her. Clive Davis as one of the authors of her "comeback" - in terms of the pace it took and how soon it started after her tender sobriety was established, leaves me feeling he was one who may have pushed it further and faster than was remotely resonable, and chose to ignore the obvious. "Stevie Wonder sees crack babies." The truth in that line is as deep as it ever was.

At least she's at peace now.

Cocaine and related paraphernalia were discovered in the Beverly Hills Hotel room where Whitney Houston died, the singer's final autopsy report has revealed.

According to the 42-page report, detectives found a "small spoon with a white crystal-like substance in it and a rolled up piece of white paper" on the bathroom counter. They also found cocaine on a portable mirror that was stashed in a drawer in the hotel room.

An initial coroner's report released two weeks ago concluded that Houston's official cause of death was accidental drowning, although cocaine use and a heart condition were listed as contributing causes. Measurable amounts of marijuana, Benadryl, Xanex and Flexeril were found in the singer's system, but they were not considered contributing factors in her death.

Houston, who had a long history of drug use, died on February 11th just one day prior to the Grammy Awards. An assistant left her alone in her hotel room for less than an hour while she shopped for items for Houston's scheduled appearance at a pre-Grammy party later that night. When she returned, she found Houston's limp body in the bathtub with her face down in the water.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.c...z1r83qWgOw

HotGritz said:

kitbradley said:

But, if they were indeed Enablers, she knew it. Addicts want to keep their Enablers around. If you want to change your life, you surround yourself with different types of people. We can go around and around about who she had around her and who didn't have her back and so forth, but, in the end, Nippy was an ADDICT. She knew it. We all make choices. She choose to continue to let the disease control her, which lead to her demise.

True but i don't trust addicts to make the right decisions where their health and livelihood are concerned. That's why I say the people around her bare some responsibility. If you know someone is sick, you don't aid them in worsening their condition. How many of us would give chocolate cake to a known diabetic?

I disagree. No one was forcing Whitney to take drugs or be around those who would supply and use with her.

Being an addict doesn't mean you can no longer make choices. Addicts still make decisions, although not necessarily in their best interest.

The people who were around there were there because of Whitney. Who believes if she didn't want you around you'd be gone? I'd say most of us.

A diabetic can still say no to chocolate cake being offered. Being offered chocolate cake will not kill a diabetic. Eating it without regard for other relevant factors might.

HotGritz said:

missfee said:

I get what you are sayin' Gritz, but for real though, if Whitney was as strong willed as folks keep saying, as long as she wanted those "enablers" around, then they were going to be around. If her sister-in-law was sincere (I'm not sure if she is or isn't sincere) enough to try and keep the enablers out, Whitney still could have found a way to keep them around in some way, shape or form. You can't keep a 24/7 watch on a person. You just can't. Addicts, if they aren't ready to turn their life around, are going to find a way to get what they want to enable their addiction. Straight up. It's just so apparent that Whitney was a really unhappy person. I get that she had a lot to deal with, but urgh.

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I don't know if Whitney was that strong willed or if it was just a matter of her being the breadwinner and keeping money in people's hands. I'm reminded of when MC Hammer went broke. I'm not comparing him to Whit but I'm speaking about people around you who don't encourage you to do the right thing when the wrong thing helps them. Nobody would have told Hammer to stop spending and fire all those unnecessary people because so many benefited from his financial recklessness. I think in a way it was the same with Whitney. More people benefited from her being sick than her being well. If you are somebody in her employ and you are only in her employ because she's too drugged to realize she doesn't need you then you keep your mouth shut. Plus celebs are always surrounded by yesmen. You almost can't maintain fame without an ass kisser here and there. Look at Lindsay Lohan. Her own mother enables her to do wrong before right. No way she should be making all those damn mistakes and throwing her career and youth away.

Whitney was famous but probably lonely. Financially stable but probably emotionally unstable. And dare I say admired by many and loved by few.

Just saying sometimes we can't blame the addict and say its all on them. Some things are beyond their control and we have to help them rather than wait on them to figure it all out. By help, I mean not give them what they want when what they want is bad for them.

Who determines what is 'bad' for them?

We have to help them? How can you want it for them more than they want it for themselves?

If Whitney is not responsible for her decisions, then why was she not institutionalized? Why did she still have control over her life if she wasn't responsible for her decisions?

The singer also had buildup of plaque in her arteries that can restrict blood flow. Winter has said the condition is common in drug users. The report indicated a 60 percent blockage in the singer's right coronary artery.

http://news.yahoo.com/aut...41841.html

HotGritz said:

One more thing and then I will leave the drug issue alone.

There are choices and then there are informed choices. I don't believe Whitney was in the right state of mind to make an informed choice by which she is aware of all consequences and factors affecting not only her but her family. She was not as informed as she should have been and therefore couldn't make the RIGHT choices.

Define an informed choice?

Informed regarding what? The damage cocaine can do? Drug use?

Surely she was aware.

When was she not in a right state of mind? If that's true, shouldn't someone have sought to adminster her affairs on her behalf?

SUPRMAN said:

HotGritz said:

One more thing and then I will leave the drug issue alone.

There are choices and then there are informed choices. I don't believe Whitney was in the right state of mind to make an informed choice by which she is aware of all consequences and factors affecting not only her but her family. She was not as informed as she should have been and therefore couldn't make the RIGHT choices.

Define an informed choice?

Informed regarding what? The damage cocaine can do? Drug use?

Surely she was aware.

When was she not in a right state of mind? If that's true, shouldn't someone have sought to adminster her affairs on her behalf?

Yes. I believe that to be an accurate statement. But truth be told the standard of potential harm to self or others that would legally allow for this has a very high bar. Many addicts and mentally ill people are smart and resourceful, and know just what to say and when to say it to the "authorities" to avoid this "trap" and to keep on keepin on. I agree that "Surely she was aware." And surely she was a fierce/smart/talented/powerful woman who probably scared the hell out of anyone trying to take her on another path. Scared them about their own continued flow of drugs, money and power. I wish they would have walked away and not engaged in the enabling slice.

I definitely think Whitney had some major problems and was very insecure.

SUPRMAN said:

HotGritz said:

True but i don't trust addicts to make the right decisions where their health and livelihood are concerned. That's why I say the people around her bare some responsibility. If you know someone is sick, you don't aid them in worsening their condition. How many of us would give chocolate cake to a known diabetic?

I disagree. No one was forcing Whitney to take drugs or be around those who would supply and use with her.

Being an addict doesn't mean you can no longer make choices. Addicts still make decisions, although not necessarily in their best interest.

The people who were around there were there because of Whitney. Who believes if she didn't want you around you'd be gone? I'd say most of us.

A diabetic can still say no to chocolate cake being offered. Being offered chocolate cake will not kill a diabetic. Eating it without regard for other relevant factors might.

Very true

Timmy84 said:

I definitely think Whitney had some major problems and was very insecure.

I dont think she was insecure in fact she was the exact opposite

She was very outgoing and seemed fun to be around. I think similiar to someone else I wont mentioned, she needed people around her that really care for her well being. Its obvious she did alot for others and had a good spirit. People had nothing but kind words to say about her and her faith was strong in the lord. I thought she had high esteem but she couldnt battle her demons alone unfornately