RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

Not at all interested in the facts I see...

Nothing new there

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

Not at all interested in the facts I see...

Stay Pressed... You and the brady bunch are the ONLY ones that seem to care....

[Edited 4/5/12 11:59am]

Timmy84 said:

Identity said:

Nicki Minaj's new disc is projected to debut at # 1 next Wed with sales ranging from 200-250K, which means both Madonna and Lionel's releases will experience a fairly dramatic decline in sales. C'est la vie.

That means Adele is going back to #2.

Where it belongs. No one is gonna break her stride.

whats all this bullshit about madonna Number 1 50 countries No promo ?? Emmm if you had a 15minute Medly on the most watched Program of the entire year and you cant sell a decent amont of albums after that you clearly need to retire ...Madonna had the ultimate promo and shes ridding of that

whats all this bullshit about madonna Number 1 50 countries No promo ?? Emmm if you had a 15minute Medly on the most watched Program of the entire year and you cant sell a decent amont of albums after that you clearly need to retire ...Madonna had the ultimate promo and shes ridding of that

IDRAG4MJ said:

whats all this bullshit about madonna Number 1 50 countries No promo ?? Emmm if you had a 15minute Medly on the most watched Program of the entire year and you cant sell a decent amont of albums after that you clearly need to retire ...Madonna had the ultimate promo and shes ridding of that

The no promo argument is an exageration, she did do the superbowl, release a music video and do some online promo. The reason people are saying that is because she didn't do a million different talk shows and award shows. It's a strech, but she did do alot less promo then the likes of Gaga or Beyonce.

daPrettyman said:

MickyDolenz said:

Then he should do a show with Rod Stewart, Tony Bennett, & Michael McDonald.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lionel's next project wouldn't be a full on country album. I think this album was a test to see how he would be accepted. He's gettting a lot of great feedback, so don't be surprised if you hear that Lionel, Kenny Rogers and Blake Shelton all do a tour together.

I actually listened to a few of the tracks and liked them and found myself singing along and I'm the furthest thing from a Country fan at all so I'm not surprised at all to see it doing well.

purplethunder3121 said:

errant said:

asg won't let him. he had to turn it into a "thing"....

Madonna and Lionel BOTH deserve congratulations on their success. Both are on top the charts again for the first time since 1986, That's a remarkable thing. It doesn't matter who is number one. I applaud them BOTH!

Identity said:

Nicki Minaj's new disc is projected to debut at # 1 next Wed with sales ranging from 200-250K, which means both Madonna and Lionel's releases will experience a fairly dramatic decline in sales. C'est la vie.

I'm actually more shocked that her numbers are so low. Wasn't she initially projected somewhere in the 300,000-400,000 range?

errant said:

Identity said:

Nicki Minaj's new disc is projected to debut at # 1 next Wed with sales ranging from 200-250K, which means both Madonna and Lionel's releases will experience a fairly dramatic decline in sales. C'est la vie.

I'm actually more shocked that her numbers are so low. Wasn't she initially projected somewhere in the 300,000-400,000 range?

I read something about 300K... so either the prediction was off or something.

Back to the Lionel country thing...

I heard Stuck On You was a huge hit on the country charts & as was deep river woman. I think he has some cred in the country department..... so i think he should do a full on album of new songs with a country style.

Gunsnhalen said:

Back to the Lionel country thing...

I heard Stuck On You was a huge hit on the country charts & as was deep river woman. I think he has some cred in the country department..... so i think he should do a full on album of new songs with a country style.

Yeah Lionel was always mixing country with his pop/R&B background. "Sail On" and "Three Times a Lady" would've been considered country tracks if other folks covered it. In fact Conway Twitty covered "Three Times". Lionel and country music always went hand in hand.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Back to the Lionel country thing...

I heard Stuck On You was a huge hit on the country charts & as was deep river woman. I think he has some cred in the country department..... so i think he should do a full on album of new songs with a country style.

Yeah Lionel was always mixing country with his pop/R&B background. "Sail On" and "Three Times a Lady" would've been considered country tracks if other folks covered it. In fact Conway Twitty covered "Three Times". Lionel and country music always went hand in hand.

That is right forgot about that Timmy!

Well i am a fan of Lionel solo so i already am blacklisted on the org i am sure but i like his countr-esque songs. I think he does good in that genre... hell i think he does it better then he does pop.

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah Lionel was always mixing country with his pop/R&B background. "Sail On" and "Three Times a Lady" would've been considered country tracks if other folks covered it. In fact Conway Twitty covered "Three Times". Lionel and country music always went hand in hand.

That is right forgot about that Timmy!

Well i am a fan of Lionel solo so i already am blacklisted on the org i am sure but i like his countr-esque songs. I think he does good in that genre... hell i think he does it better then he does pop.

Nah I wouldn't consider you blacklisted for liking Lionel. I just didn't like "Dancing on the Ceiling". Other than that I love most of his catalog actually. He definitely does country real well (as well as pop but he does R&B/soul real good too). I think Lionel can be real versatile when giving the chance. I didn't like his contemporary "R&pop" attempts but anything between "Just to Be Close to You" to "Don't Wanna Lose You" gets my thumbs up.

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah Lionel was always mixing country with his pop/R&B background. "Sail On" and "Three Times a Lady" would've been considered country tracks if other folks covered it. In fact Conway Twitty covered "Three Times". Lionel and country music always went hand in hand.

That is right forgot about that Timmy!

Well i am a fan of Lionel solo so i already am blacklisted on the org i am sure but i like his countr-esque songs. I think he does good in that genre... hell i think he does it better then he does pop.

http://www.apple.com/euro...lbums.html

lionel is still top 5 on itunes the album should hold up pretty good for 2nd week and might even do 100k+ not even a 50% drop

mdna should drop 84-87%

Timmy84 said:

errant said:

I'm actually more shocked that her numbers are so low. Wasn't she initially projected somewhere in the 300,000-400,000 range?

I read something about 300K... so either the prediction was off or something.

i read about 500k+ lol when i saw her numbers i was shocked

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

That is right forgot about that Timmy!

Well i am a fan of Lionel solo so i already am blacklisted on the org i am sure but i like his countr-esque songs. I think he does good in that genre... hell i think he does it better then he does pop.

Nah I wouldn't consider you blacklisted for liking Lionel. I just didn't like "Dancing on the Ceiling". Other than that I love most of his catalog actually. He definitely does country real well (as well as pop but he does R&B/soul real good too). I think Lionel can be real versatile when giving the chance. I didn't like his contemporary "R&pop" attempts but anything between "Just to Be Close to You" to "Don't Wanna Lose You" gets my thumbs up.

Funny thing is we are all debating and playing numbers games with 50-60 year old artists, and yet Madonna's album is easily her best record in a decade plus and Lionels shit its the best thing he's done in eons, that RB ne-yo written crap he did the last album and the other crappy studio records he had done were awful. So ironically this year Springsteen, Madonna and lionel richie have topped? charts? someone is missing from this list? cmon Prince get going, your being out done by your peers again

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah I wouldn't consider you blacklisted for liking Lionel. I just didn't like "Dancing on the Ceiling". Other than that I love most of his catalog actually. He definitely does country real well (as well as pop but he does R&B/soul real good too). I think Lionel can be real versatile when giving the chance. I didn't like his contemporary "R&pop" attempts but anything between "Just to Be Close to You" to "Don't Wanna Lose You" gets my thumbs up.

Funny thing is we are all debating and playing numbers games with 50-60 year old artists, and yet Madonna's album is easily her best record in a decade plus and Lionels shit its the best thing he's done in eons, that RB ne-yo written crap he did the last album and the other crappy studio records he had done were awful. So ironically this year Springsteen, Madonna and lionel richie have topped? charts? someone is missing from this list? cmon Prince get going, your being out done by your peers again

And what it also says is that the older artists are once again outperforming the younger acts...

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

Funny thing is we are all debating and playing numbers games with 50-60 year old artists, and yet Madonna's album is easily her best record in a decade plus and Lionels shit its the best thing he's done in eons, that RB ne-yo written crap he did the last album and the other crappy studio records he had done were awful. So ironically this year Springsteen, Madonna and lionel richie have topped? charts? someone is missing from this list? cmon Prince get going, your being out done by your peers again

And what it also says is that the older artists are once again outperforming the younger acts...

Not really true in this sales environment its easy to have high first week sales and then the album disappears. soundscan allows easy reach to the #1 but the older syste made it impossible to chart if even with a few weeks of good sales

[Edited 4/5/12 14:56pm]

asg said:

Timmy84 said:

And what it also says is that the older artists are once again outperforming the younger acts...

Not really true in this sales environment its easy to have high first week sales and then the album disappears. soundscan allows easy reach to the #1 but the older syste made it impossible to chart if even with a few weeks of good sales

[Edited 4/5/12 14:56pm]

Well that is true but if you are an older artist your fan base knows when your album is coming out, NO ONE is just getting into Lionel Richie now or Madonna or Bruce,Prince etc...just not happening, not because it cant, but because no outlet to push music is set up to introduce you to someones work. Back when MTV played videos nonstop, you could still get older videos from a few years back and more on shows, and there was more push from a label to get the catalog introduced, not now, not the climate and those days are gone, so for anyone that has had a career, the REM's the springsteens Prince's madonna's eltons whomever, that first week is your week and not much more, thats how the system is set up, Elton has a new cd this summer, and it wil debut high and then fall into space the next week, just like any other artist that has a career.

NOW the bigger issue is someone who is the "in thing" like a Nicki Minaj, not being able to sell more than a 50 year old artist with no play, that to me is more TELLING of the times

Universal Music scores its third #1 in a row as Nicki Minaj's projection increases a little today. Here's how it looks headed into the Easter weekend:

*Nicki Minaj (Young Money/Cash Money/Universal Republic) 215-235k
Adele 21 (XL/Columbia) 155-165k
*Rascal Flatts (Big Machine) 110-120k
Lionel Richie (Mercury Nashville) 100-110k
One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 70-80k
The Hunger Games soundtrack (Universal Republic) 45-50k
*Marvin Sapp (Verity) 45-50k
*Of Monsters & Men (Universal Republic) 45-50k
Madonna (Interscope) 40-45k
Shinedown (Atlantic) 35-40k
Kelly Clarkson (19/RCA) 27-30k
Now 41 (Capitol/EMI) 27-30k
Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 24-27k
Shake It Up: Live 2 Dance (Hollywood) 24-27k
Gotye (Fairfax/Universal Republic) 24-27k
Adele 19 (XL/Columbia) 22-25k
*Alabama Shakes (ATO) 21-24k
Bruce Springsteen (Columbia) 21-24k
Whitney Houston Greatest Hits (RCA) 21-24k

mdna will have a drop of 87-89% in the normal case her 2nd week sales would be 3 times this level It might be the worst 2nd week drop in billboard history

[Edited 4/6/12 2:44am]

errant said:

Spinlight said:

No promo??????????????

MDNA has had an aggressive promo push. She was on the fucking Super Bowl!! @ this no promo concept.

2 months ago. and that was it. unless you were already subscribed to her facebook or twitter.

This album from the time of the SuperBowl till now is promoed on commercial channels all the time

I've even seen it on HGTV

madsgreat said:

I really didnt know madonna could play the guitar maybe she can go head to head with prince let the best player win

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

Funny thing is we are all debating and playing numbers games with 50-60 year old artists, and yet Madonna's album is easily her best record in a decade plus and Lionels shit its the best thing he's done in eons, that RB ne-yo written crap he did the last album and the other crappy studio records he had done were awful. So ironically this year Springsteen, Madonna and lionel richie have topped? charts? someone is missing from this list? cmon Prince get going, your being out done by your peers again

And what it also says is that the older artists are once again outperforming the younger acts...

Well thats a no brainer people arent going to waste their hard earn money on trash... They will download before they throw money away

CNN article: Why Madonna still leads, others follow

(CNN) -- I thought she was over. Madonna, that is.

I thought she was too old to be referring to herself as a "girl." I thought pop music passed her by. I thought Lady Gaga had killed her.

And then I look at this week's Billboard chart and I see I thought wrong.

Her 12th CD, "MDNA" debuted No. 1 on the album chart and she has two singles on the dance-chart Top 10. She's 53 and the clubs are banging her new stuff, including "Give Me All Your Luvin," which became her 38th top 10 hit on the pop chart. For those of you keeping score, that's more than Elvis, more than The Beatles. I'm not saying she's better, but clearly she's done -- correction -- doing more.

This year she won another Golden Globe and her halftime performance at the Super Bowl drew more viewers than the game itself, according to Nielsen. I know the perception is that only gay men care about Madonna, but if that were true, given the 114 million viewers who tuned in to watch her at halftime, maybe "don't ask, don't tell" should have been called "just assume."

The reality is it's hard for pop music to leave behind someone who keeps leading the pack. Madonna had the highest grossing tour ever for a solo artist (2008) and has sold more than 300 million records worldwide. She's an '80s child whose 2005 single "Hung Up" holds the Guinness Book record for topping the charts in 41 countries, while 2012's MDNA was No. 1 on iTunes in 40 countries.

That's not "over," that's now.

When you look at where Madonna's career is today in the same week we learned Whitney Houston drowned in a foot of water, you're reminded that God truly does work in mysterious ways. The two pop icons released debut albums within two years of each other, Madonna in 1983 and Houston in 1985.

Of course, Houston was the former model with a voice for the ages, while Madonna was the thin-voiced tart rolling around on the floor of the MTV music awards in a wedding dress proclaiming that she felt like a virgin. If anyone might have been expected to meet a desperate, tragic end, back then the safe money would have been on Madonna. And yet Houston's gone, Michael Jackson's gone, Prince is semi-retired and everyone else, with the exception of U2, is making their money off nostalgia.

Meanwhile, Madonna has methodically become, arguably, the greatest recording artist of all time. Who would've thunk it?

As for the music, her latest CD is not breaking any new ground, but it does remind everyone who owns the ground Gaga, Rihanna, Beyonce and others are walking on. In fact, each time they receive a royalty check, they should be sending Madonna a cut.

While MDNA is about three songs too long for my taste, I will tell you the first five songs make it very difficult not to want to dance, and that the track "Gang Bang" is pure genius. As you could probably figure out from the title, it's not radio friendly, but likely not because of what you may think. And that, in a nutshell, is why Madonna is who she is.

You can tell you're watching a Woody Allen film with the first five minutes of dialogue. You can identify the beautiful prose of Toni Morrison within a couple of pages. But my 15-year-old came home one day and asked who I was listening to. I told him Madonna and my son, who loves techno and hip hop, thought I was joking.

"Seriously... like your Madonna?" he asked.

"Yep," I said.

"Well, she's still old but that song's not."

The song was "Gang Bang" and I'm glad he left the room before she started singing. As I said, it's not radio friendly. But then again, it wouldn't be Madonna if a song like that was.

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asg said:

Universal Music scores its third #1 in a row as Nicki Minaj's projection increases a little today. Here's how it looks headed into the Easter weekend:

*Nicki Minaj (Young Money/Cash Money/Universal Republic) 215-235k
Adele 21 (XL/Columbia) 155-165k
*Rascal Flatts (Big Machine) 110-120k
Lionel Richie (Mercury Nashville) 100-110k
One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 70-80k
The Hunger Games soundtrack (Universal Republic) 45-50k
*Marvin Sapp (Verity) 45-50k
*Of Monsters & Men (Universal Republic) 45-50k
Madonna (Interscope) 40-45k
Shinedown (Atlantic) 35-40k
Kelly Clarkson (19/RCA) 27-30k
Now 41 (Capitol/EMI) 27-30k
Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 24-27k
Shake It Up: Live 2 Dance (Hollywood) 24-27k
Gotye (Fairfax/Universal Republic) 24-27k
Adele 19 (XL/Columbia) 22-25k
*Alabama Shakes (ATO) 21-24k
Bruce Springsteen (Columbia) 21-24k
Whitney Houston Greatest Hits (RCA) 21-24k

mdna will have a drop of 87-89% in the normal case her 2nd week sales would be 3 times this level It might be the worst 2nd week drop in billboard history

[Edited 4/6/12 2:44am]

Go Marvin!

from Forbes.com

Exclusive: Madonna "MDNA" Will Have Biggest Second Week Drop in Chart History

Madonna‘s “MDNA” album had the biggest second week drop in chart history last week, I am told. When all the numbers are in on Tuesday night, “MDNA” will have fallen from number 1 by 88%–from 359,000 copies in its first week to roughly 46,000 the second week. Wow. The first week’s sales, as I revealed exclusively (and then the New York Post lifted it from us), most of Madonna’s first week sales were CDs that were included in the sale of concert tickets. That promotion artificially inflated Madonna’s numbers, putting her first before Lionel Richie and his “Tuskegee” album. In the second week, Richie fell only 47% and sold about 110,000 albums–which is normal. “Tuskegee” will now finish much higher than “MDNA.” I do think that all the people involved in the Madonna ticket-CD deal should apologize to Richie for denying him his rightful place at number 1, starting with Billboard and SoundScan. But Richie’s consolation is that he has a major hit, while “MDNA” is a total dud. So far, “MDNA” has not produced anything like a hit single either, no radio play or anything to provide organic promotion. But Madonna’s concert tour with Live Nation will be a big hit, so it’s not like we have to worry about her financial situation.

One last time--Madonna and Lionel both deserve congratulations for any chart successes--however brief--after 30 years in the biz. If you want to run numbers into the ground, that's your biz. Lionel and Madonna congratulated each other and now they are moving on. Can you?

RKJCNE said:

IDRAG4MJ said:

whats all this bullshit about madonna Number 1 50 countries No promo ?? Emmm if you had a 15minute Medly on the most watched Program of the entire year and you cant sell a decent amont of albums after that you clearly need to retire ...Madonna had the ultimate promo and shes ridding of that

The no promo argument is an exageration, she did do the superbowl, release a music video and do some online promo. The reason people are saying that is because she didn't do a million different talk shows and award shows. It's a strech, but she did do alot less promo then the likes of Gaga or Beyonce.

Nope not until I clear up this no promo bullshit.

She's WhoreDonna!!! She did what she always does and thats whore herself out to everyone in any way she can. Congrats!