See now Ray J trying to save his ass right now... "I didn't know Whitney was doing coke". Riiiiiiiight.

lauralevesque said:

Timmy84 said:

Krissy didn't wanna do the interview but only did it probably for money. Krissy seem at edge during the interview... And Pat was all in the back of Harpo...

Oprah always says she doesn't pay for interviews. I've heard her say that MANY times, so why now all of a sudden is she paying? Areyou sure Bobby Kriss was paid?

Maybe she was thanking her for allowing her to get her point of view across on her mom, instead of the media's portrayal. idk

Or maybe she was thanking her for that check that just posted in her account...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

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Am I the only one who can't see these pics?

So she got high, passed out, and drowned, right?

Or got high, fell and hit her head, and landed in the bathtub and drowned?

Whatever, she must have been so high when she sunk underwater that the survival instinct never had a chance.

lameless said:

This is not going to be a popular opinion, but I think the person supplying Whitney with coke was none other than her daughter. Regardless, the news that she was using at the time of her death is saddening but not surprising. I just feel bad for Cissy right now.

The Enquirer is going on about how Krissy's "brother" or "boyfriend" was Whitney's real drug dealer... so in a way you're right.

Maybe neither Ray or Pat knew how far Whitney was doing coke but they can't deny the results. But something tells me Ray knew Whitney was using. He knew. Maybe he wasn't her supplier as Bobby Brown's family is now suggesting, but he knew ole girl was on coke.

But I do believe Leolah Brown when she said that there was no "romance" between Whitney and Ray J. I never believed they had a relationship regardless of the pictures...

But anyways, the stories are confusing. Let's be clear: she didn't die of an overdose, she died because her heart gave out on her and the drowning just sealed the deal.

Timmy84 said:

lameless said:

This is not going to be a popular opinion, but I think the person supplying Whitney with coke was none other than her daughter. Regardless, the news that she was using at the time of her death is saddening but not surprising. I just feel bad for Cissy right now.

The Enquirer is going on about how Krissy's "brother" or "boyfriend" was Whitney's real drug dealer... so in a way you're right.

Maybe neither Ray or Pat knew how far Whitney was doing coke but they can't deny the results. But something tells me Ray knew Whitney was using. He knew. Maybe he wasn't her supplier as Bobby Brown's family is now suggesting, but he knew ole girl was on coke.

But I do believe Leolah Brown when she said that there was no "romance" between Whitney and Ray J. I never believed they had a relationship regardless of the pictures...

banks said:

Timmy84 said:

The Enquirer is going on about how Krissy's "brother" or "boyfriend" was Whitney's real drug dealer... so in a way you're right.

Maybe neither Ray or Pat knew how far Whitney was doing coke but they can't deny the results. But something tells me Ray knew Whitney was using. He knew. Maybe he wasn't her supplier as Bobby Brown's family is now suggesting, but he knew ole girl was on coke.

But I do believe Leolah Brown when she said that there was no "romance" between Whitney and Ray J. I never believed they had a relationship regardless of the pictures...

Let's be clear Ray J dosent live in ATL and she was only out there for a week so she must have had a connect in the ATL

Nick Gordon accompanied Whitney and Krissy to California so there you have it.

Musicslave said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

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Am I the only one who can't see these pics?

I cant see them either

NaughtyKitty said:

Musicslave said:

Am I the only one who can't see these pics?

I cant see them either

I see one of them. There was a second one posted too.

Wow, it's really going down since that interview on O.W.N., the Old Woman's Network.

Some shows say they won't pay for interviews, but they will pay for personal pictures & video footage. There are ways around it, so people will still get paid one way or another.

MadamGoodnight said:

Wow, it's really going down since that interview on O.W.N., the Old Woman's Network.

Some shows say they won't pay for interviews, but they will pay for personal pictures & video footage. There are ways around it, so people will still get paid one way or another.

Yeah you can't tell me they got footage from the ambulance driving the body away and the funeral for free. Oprah paid Pat and 'em in some way... maybe not to do the interview but definitely to promote themselves.

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Timmy84 said:

MadamGoodnight said:

Wow, it's really going down since that interview on O.W.N., the Old Woman's Network.

Some shows say they won't pay for interviews, but they will pay for personal pictures & video footage. There are ways around it, so people will still get paid one way or another.

Yeah you can't tell me they got footage from the ambulance driving the body away and the funeral for free. Oprah paid Pat and 'em in some way... maybe not to do the interview but definitely to promote themselves.

[Edited 3/23/12 11:43am]

Those candles were prominently displayed. There were camera shots directly on those candles. Just what I noticed.

MadamGoodnight said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah you can't tell me they got footage from the ambulance driving the body away and the funeral for free. Oprah paid Pat and 'em in some way... maybe not to do the interview but definitely to promote themselves.

[Edited 3/23/12 11:43am]

Those candles were prominently displayed. There were camera shots directly on those candles. Just what I noticed.

Yup...

Timmy84 said:

See now Ray J trying to save his ass right now... "I didn't know Whitney was doing coke". Riiiiiiiight.

You are right. Ray J is lying. I still think he was her drug runner and Raffle was the drug dealer. Nick is probably her Atl dealer.

But at the end of the day, Whitney was responsible for Whitney, and she have sharks around her were enabling her.

[Edited 3/23/12 12:08pm]

Musicslave said:

lauralevesque said:

Oprah always says she doesn't pay for interviews. I've heard her say that MANY times, so why now all of a sudden is she paying? Areyou sure Bobby Kriss was paid?

Maybe she was thanking her for allowing her to get her point of view across on her mom, instead of the media's portrayal. idk

Or maybe she was thanking her for that check that just posted in her account...

YOu may be right on the former, but I really do feel its the latter.

That interview didn't shed any light on Whitney as a person. All BK talked about was that she's getting through it (good!) and that Whitney's ghost is haunting their home and BK is humbled.

Now if that doesn't sound like a sing for your supper, I dunno what does. If my mom just died from a coke-related drowning, the first thing I'd do is dispel actual rumors. BK never did that. "I love my mom, I'm okay, my mom's ghost is here and I'm humbled, and now I'm gonna be acting, singing, and dancing!"

Uh huh. The Houston family has that killer spirit, for sure! Reminds me of that footage of Destiny's Child and one of them falls down and the other 2 glance at her and keep on movin'. Keep on movin', BK...

[Edited 3/23/12 12:18pm]

ladygirl99 said:

Timmy84 said:

See now Ray J trying to save his ass right now... "I didn't know Whitney was doing coke". Riiiiiiiight.

You are right. Ray J is lying. I still think he was her drug runner and Raffle was the drug dealer. Nick is probably her Atl dealer.

But at the end of the day, Whitney was responsible for Whitney, and she have sharks around her were enabling her.

[Edited 3/23/12 12:08pm]

Sad but true. As far as those sharks are concerned; she invited them to the party. Like it or not that was her circle of choice. Nobody forced Whitney into doing something she didn't want to do. Not Bobby, not Raydouche, not Raffles (sp?, the fuck kinda name is Raffles anyway?) nevermind, not anyone.

Spinlight said:

Musicslave said:

Maybe she was thanking her for allowing her to get her point of view across on her mom, instead of the media's portrayal. idk

Or maybe she was thanking her for that check that just posted in her account...

YOu may be right on the former, but I really do feel its the latter.

That interview didn't shed any light on Whitney as a person. All BK talked about was that she's getting through it (good!) and that Whitney's ghost is haunting their home and BK is humbled.

Now if that doesn't sound like a sing for your supper, I dunno what does. If my mom just died from a coke-related drowning, the first thing I'd do is dispel actual rumors. BK never did that. "I love my mom, I'm okay, my mom's ghost is here and I'm humbled, and now I'm gonna be acting, singing, and dancing!"

Uh huh. The Houston family has that killer spirit, for sure! Reminds me of that footage of Destiny's Child and one of them falls down and the other 2 glance at her and keep on movin'. Keep on movin', BK...

[Edited 3/23/12 12:18pm]

Yeah, I too was kind of looking for a little more from her. I mean, Oprah did say she (Bobbi) wanted to tell the real story about her mother and dispel myths.

MadamGoodnight said:

Wow, it's really going down since that interview on O.W.N., the Old Woman's Network.

Some shows say they won't pay for interviews, but they will pay for personal pictures & video footage. There are ways around it, so people will still get paid one way or another.

Whitney Houston's Cocaine Subject of Police Investigation

BY MIKE FLEEMAN

Friday March 23, 2012 03:15 PM EDT

In releasing its eagerly awaited findings, the Los Angeles County coroner answered one big question about Whitney Houston's death – then opened the door for more.

The singer died by drowning in the bathtub of her Beverly Hills Hotel suite, according to the coroner, but it was also determined that a non-lethal level of cocaine was found in her body, and that long-term cocaine abuse contributed to her death.

So far left unanswered is whether any illegal drugs were found at the scene, whether anybody from Houston's entourage is suspected of cleaning up the area before paramedics arrived, and how Houston obtained the drugs.

"It's still an open investigation for us," Beverly Hills Police Lt. Mark Rosen told PEOPLE when asked if cocaine was found in the hotel room. "I can’t disclose any details about the investigation."

Coroner Assistant Chief Ed Winter previously confirmed that prescription bottles were found at the scene but that the medications were "not in an alarming amount." The coroner has not commented on whether illegal drugs were also found.

Houston, 48, was found unresponsive and underwater in the tub on Feb. 11, a day before the Grammy Awards, and was pronounced dead at the scene soon afterward.

Houston had a long and well-publicized battle with substance abuse and went into rehab several times, including a stint in May 2011 in an outpatient program for what her reps said was drug and alcohol treatment.

The coroner's office on Thursday released only a brief synopsis of its findings. A full autopsy report, which typically includes details of what investigators find at the death scene and witness interviews, is expected in about two weeks.

What the coroner is announcing is that based on a Feb. 12 autopsy and toxicology tests, "The final cause of death has been determined to be drowning (and) effects of atherosclerotic heart disease and cocaine use."

Cocaine, according to the report, was "contributory to death." Also found in her system were marijuana, Xanax, the muscle relaxant Flexeril and Benadryl, "but did not contribute to the death."

The bottom line, according to the report: "No trauma or foul play is suspected."

http://www.people.com/peo...20,00.html

So the full, detailed autopsy report will be released in a couple of weeks.

Musicslave said:

Spinlight said:

YOu may be right on the former, but I really do feel its the latter.

That interview didn't shed any light on Whitney as a person. All BK talked about was that she's getting through it (good!) and that Whitney's ghost is haunting their home and BK is humbled.

Now if that doesn't sound like a sing for your supper, I dunno what does. If my mom just died from a coke-related drowning, the first thing I'd do is dispel actual rumors. BK never did that. "I love my mom, I'm okay, my mom's ghost is here and I'm humbled, and now I'm gonna be acting, singing, and dancing!"

Uh huh. The Houston family has that killer spirit, for sure! Reminds me of that footage of Destiny's Child and one of them falls down and the other 2 glance at her and keep on movin'. Keep on movin', BK...

[Edited 3/23/12 12:18pm]

Yeah, I too was kind of looking for a little more from her. I mean, Oprah did say she (Bobbi) wanted to tell the real story about her mother and dispel myths.

fuck that, it's taking advantage, just like she did with the Jackson kids. Inexcusable and in my mind just despicable. 3 weeks? Putting this shit out to the whole world, bringing more scrutiny to a life that is already off track. People need time to be left the fuck alone when a parent dies, not comforted, not consoled, not talked to, left the fuck alone. But people are stupid, when my ma died, in the hospital room, i wanted nothing more than to just be alone, 3 or 4 of the staff came in every few minutes asking if I was alright, god I swear people are just plain stupid. Hell, for two months after she died I was ready to punch people out if they gave me a hard time, and I'm a grown middle aged man, Oprah should get some karma for some of this shit, she's rotten to the core. How desperate for ratings and money could this multi-million if not billionaire need? It's not the money though it's ego and vanity.

petes2 said:

Musicslave said:

Yeah, I too was kind of looking for a little more from her. I mean, Oprah did say she (Bobbi) wanted to tell the real story about her mother and dispel myths.

fuck that, it's taking advantage, just like she did with the Jackson kids. Inexcusable and in my mind just despicable. 3 weeks? Putting this shit out to the whole world, bringing more scrutiny to a life that is already off track. People need time to be left the fuck alone when a parent dies, not comforted, not consoled, not talked to, left the fuck alone. But people are stupid, when my ma died, in the hospital room, i wanted nothing more than to just be alone, 3 or 4 of the staff came in every few minutes asking if I was alright, god I swear people are just plain stupid. Hell, for two months after she died I was ready to punch people out if they gave me a hard time, and I'm a grown middle aged man, Oprah should get some karma for some of this shit, she's rotten to the core. How desperate for ratings and money could this multi-million if not billionaire need? It's not the money though it's ego and vanity.

And there you go....It was a self-serving move on all parties involved if you ask me. I don't know anyone who after losing a parent would want to talk about it in a formal interview 3 weeks into mourning and not even knowing how they died yet. I didn't agree with the interview at all.

Some of the comments here have been funny to ridiculous. Whitney Houston's family is damn if they did damn if they didn't. As I mentioned in the other thread, some of the people who bitched about her family giving an interview in the first place, would continue to bitch because they didn't hear what they wanted her family to say. Good grief, let it go!!! Less try this on for size, very few people probably knew Ms. Houston very well besides her ex-husband, close family, or friends. No amount of storytelling or anecdotes are going to give you the "true essences" of who Houston is and was; most human beings can be rather complex. Who does anyone really know... except thyself?

Whatever you are going to believe no amount of storytelling is going to change your minds. If you thought Houston was a ghetto crack head sista, that's what your going to think. If you thought her ex-husband was soley responsible for her down fall and turned her out, that's what you're going to think. If you thought she was this amazing gifted artist with a good heart and got caught up in the music lifestyle, that's what you're going to think. If you think the family are a bunch of leeches who are trying to pimp her in death as they did in life, that's what your going to think. If think Oprah paid for an interview some way some how... they could all deny it until pigs fly and you still think what you want to think. Did Oprah do the interview for ratings to boost her tired ass network, she probably did? Happy?

Mother Houston lost her daugher, Bobbi Christiana lost her mother, and her brothers lost a sister. Eveybody Some think they are owed an explanation or think her family should act in a certain way and when they don't people pounce on that. Maybe that's what drove Houston to drugs and to her grave... US.

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[Edited 3/23/12 13:42pm]

[Edited 3/23/12 17:16pm]

TD3 said:

Some of the comments here have been funny to ridiculous. Whitney Houston's family is damn if they did damn if they didn't. As I mentioned in the other thread, some of the people who bitched about her family giving an interview in the first place, would continue to bitch because they didn't hear what they wanted her family to say. Good grief, let it go!!! Less try this on for size, very few people probably knew Ms. Houston very well besides her ex-husband, close family, or friends. No amount of storytelling or anecdotes are going to give you the "true essences" of who Houston is and was; most human beings can be rather complex. Who does anyone really know... except thyself?

Whatever you are going to believe no amount of storyteller is going to change your minds. If you thought Houston was a ghetto crack head sista, that's what your going to think. If you thought her ex-husband was soley responsible for her down fall and turned her out, that's what you're going to think. If you thought she was this amazing gifted artist with a good heart and got caught up in the music lifestyle, that's what you're going to think. If you think the family are a bunch of leeches who are trying to pimp her in death as they did in life, that's what your going to think. If think Oprah paid for an interview some way some how... they could all deny it until pigs fly and you still think what you want to think. Did Oprah do the interview for ratings to boost her tired ass network, she probably did? Happy?

Mother Houston lost her daugher, Bobbi Christiana lost her mother, and her brothers lost a sister. Eveybody Some think they are owed an explanation or think her family should act in a certain way and when they don't people pounce on that. Maybe that's what drove Houston to drugs and to here grave... US.

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[Edited 3/23/12 13:42pm]

The whole fact you posted this at all lends to why they would do an interview and why we should be able to discuss the content of the interview. Some people take issue with the timing or whatever. I don't believe anyone involved was snookered. They all know what they went into. And you can smell it all over the place. If they didn't feel the interview was going to be criticized to some degree, then they are oblivious.

TD3 said:

Some of the comments here have been funny to ridiculous. Whitney Houston's family is damn if they did damn if they didn't. As I mentioned in the other thread, some of the people who bitched about her family giving an interview in the first place, would continue to bitch because they didn't hear what they wanted her family to say. Good grief, let it go!!! Less try this on for size, very few people probably knew Ms. Houston very well besides her ex-husband, close family, or friends. No amount of storytelling or anecdotes are going to give you the "true essences" of who Houston is and was; most human beings can be rather complex. Who does anyone really know... except thyself?

Whatever you are going to believe no amount of storyteller is going to change your minds. If you thought Houston was a ghetto crack head sista, that's what your going to think. If you thought her ex-husband was soley responsible for her down fall and turned her out, that's what you're going to think. If you thought she was this amazing gifted artist with a good heart and got caught up in the music lifestyle, that's what you're going to think. If you think the family are a bunch of leeches who are trying to pimp her in death as they did in life, that's what your going to think. If think Oprah paid for an interview some way some how... they could all deny it until pigs fly and you still think what you want to think. Did Oprah do the interview for ratings to boost her tired ass network, she probably did? Happy?

Mother Houston lost her daugher, Bobbi Christiana lost her mother, and her brothers lost a sister. Eveybody Some think they are owed an explanation or think her family should act in a certain way and when they don't people pounce on that. Maybe that's what drove Houston to drugs and to here grave... US.

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[Edited 3/23/12 13:42pm]

no, no,no, the older I get the harder I look for true decency, in myself and in others and I'm constantly dissapointed.

Spinlight said:

Musicslave said:

Maybe she was thanking her for allowing her to get her point of view across on her mom, instead of the media's portrayal. idk

Or maybe she was thanking her for that check that just posted in her account...

YOu may be right on the former, but I really do feel its the latter.

That interview didn't shed any light on Whitney as a person. All BK talked about was that she's getting through it (good!) and that Whitney's ghost is haunting their home and BK is humbled.

Now if that doesn't sound like a sing for your supper, I dunno what does. If my mom just died from a coke-related drowning, the first thing I'd do is dispel actual rumors. BK never did that. "I love my mom, I'm okay, my mom's ghost is here and I'm humbled, and now I'm gonna be acting, singing, and dancing!"

Uh huh. The Houston family has that killer spirit, for sure! Reminds me of that footage of Destiny's Child and one of them falls down and the other 2 glance at her and keep on movin'. Keep on movin', BK...

[Edited 3/23/12 12:18pm]

Yes! "I'm gonna be acting, sing, and dancing!" - I was like, "What the hell?" when she said that. I don't know if she's just distressed or what but it was really strange. Also, not to be rude, but why are these famous-by-association people so entitled? I doubt that Bobby Kris is going to be the next Whitney Houston or even the next Bobby Brown.

lauralevesque said:

Spinlight said:

YOu may be right on the former, but I really do feel its the latter.

That interview didn't shed any light on Whitney as a person. All BK talked about was that she's getting through it (good!) and that Whitney's ghost is haunting their home and BK is humbled.

Now if that doesn't sound like a sing for your supper, I dunno what does. If my mom just died from a coke-related drowning, the first thing I'd do is dispel actual rumors. BK never did that. "I love my mom, I'm okay, my mom's ghost is here and I'm humbled, and now I'm gonna be acting, singing, and dancing!"

Uh huh. The Houston family has that killer spirit, for sure! Reminds me of that footage of Destiny's Child and one of them falls down and the other 2 glance at her and keep on movin'. Keep on movin', BK...

[Edited 3/23/12 12:18pm]

Yes! "I'm gonna be acting, sing, and dancing!" - I was like, "What the hell?" when she said that. I don't know if she's just distressed or what but it was really strange. Also, not to be rude, but why are these famous-by-association people so entitled? I doubt that Bobby Kris is going to be the next Whitney Houston or even the next Bobby Brown.

Par for the course for the childen of famous celebrities...

lauralevesque said:

Spinlight said:

YOu may be right on the former, but I really do feel its the latter.

That interview didn't shed any light on Whitney as a person. All BK talked about was that she's getting through it (good!) and that Whitney's ghost is haunting their home and BK is humbled.

Now if that doesn't sound like a sing for your supper, I dunno what does. If my mom just died from a coke-related drowning, the first thing I'd do is dispel actual rumors. BK never did that. "I love my mom, I'm okay, my mom's ghost is here and I'm humbled, and now I'm gonna be acting, singing, and dancing!"

Uh huh. The Houston family has that killer spirit, for sure! Reminds me of that footage of Destiny's Child and one of them falls down and the other 2 glance at her and keep on movin'. Keep on movin', BK...

[Edited 3/23/12 12:18pm]

Yes! "I'm gonna be acting, sing, and dancing!" - I was like, "What the hell?" when she said that. I don't know if she's just distressed or what but it was really strange. Also, not to be rude, but why are these famous-by-association people so entitled? I doubt that Bobby Kris is going to be the next Whitney Houston or even the next Bobby Brown.

She may not be the next version of her parents, but I guess if she has any talent at all, its never a bad thing to get a leg up where you have one.

But the commenting on it during the interview is odd to me because the tone sounded very promotional. "Yeah, yeah so we gon' do dis. Acting, singing, dancing, we gon' do dis. I got you!" And oprah reciting "I got you" over and over, trying to make something out of it when you know damn well it wasn't that deep.

Hey, anything to paint Whitney in a positive light though. BK wasnt too forthcoming and I guess she didn't really prepare much for the interview. Oprah tried to steer it here and there and BK was either clueless about the suggestions cuz she is young and new or she had zero intentions of actually talking about what her mom was going through.

And she should've talked. IF she was going to go through the effort of announcing, conducting, packaging, and promoting an interview then should've been mindful of the nature of these things. If she's too young and inexperienced for that kind of deal, then she shouldn't have agreed to it. But she wanted that money. And so did Pat. And so did O!

Tell you what, though, O worked for those ratings. She shoulda scripted BK beforehand and then it wouldn't have come across as so makeshift and shabby, like she was leading her by the nose.

"No, thank you!"

^ Why did Oprah acted relieved that her part of the interview with Krissy ended? Almost like she was spooked by Pat.