^ I think that's the sobering reality of it all is that Whitney was the one who used it.

TMZ said that when Whitney died, an individual removed any trace of cocaine found in the room. No telling who it was but according to sources (yeah sources...smh), the cops are investigating on evidence tampering.

I wonder if it was possible Whitney's camp wanted to not report on what exactly led to Whitney's death. That maybe they were the ones printing stories that they "don't know" what happened? If they really didn't know what happened to her, why would they get rid of the cocaine as if not to cause a scene?

Doesn't mean by one stretch of the imagination that this is a possible homicide case because it isn't, but it does mean that someone fucked around with the scene of the crime. Whitney's camp must've known what they were gonna reveal in the autopsy.

[Edited 3/22/12 19:26pm]

728huey said:

It's possible Whitney may have just been genetically at higher risk for heart disease like a lot of people, yet years of drug abuse contributed to her eventual demise. I remember when Jerry Garcia died in 1995 from heart disease, he had been clean and sober for at least a decade, but the years of doing copious amounts of drugs during the late 1960's and all thru the 1970's probably did a lot of serious damage to his vascular system. Now it's possible to reverse some of that type of damage to your body, but it takes a huge change in lifestyle and diet to do that. Jerry Garcia was clean at the time of his death, but I don't believe he did anything extraordinary in his lifestyle to reverse the effects of heart disease caused by years of drug abuse. The same thing happens to people who abuse steroids as well, as I remember one of the WWE wrestlers died of a heart attack at just age 36. He was clean at the time of his death, but the years he took steroids did a number on his arteries.

Most likely, Whitney went to take a bath, had a heart attack as she entered the bathtub, collapsed into the tub, and drowned as a result. Regardless of how exactly she died, it's a really tragic loss.

She was found with her head submerged in the tub so yeah she collapsed.

^ I would say that with todays tech you can find traces of coke no matter how much someone wiped it away. Then again @ the Beverly Hotel you could probably get a buzz by sniffing the carpets.

Her trip to LA was a game changer in a downward spiral:

drinking

erractic behavior

public seeing her at her worst

rejected by two doctors (one for plastic surgery, the other for throat repair of her vocal cords)

major financial problems

altercation at club with Stacy Francis

spat with Ray J (he igged her after the incident at the club that Wednesday with Francis)

her saying she wanted to go see Jesus

her screaming on her balcony that she can't do this shit anymore

sounds like suicide to me, and even those that don't think so - all the drugs in her, the drinking, the chain smoking = SUICIDE one way or the other

musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

728huey said:

It's possible Whitney may have just been genetically at higher risk for heart disease like a lot of people, yet years of drug abuse contributed to her eventual demise. I remember when Jerry Garcia died in 1995 from heart disease, he had been clean and sober for at least a decade, but the years of doing copious amounts of drugs during the late 1960's and all thru the 1970's probably did a lot of serious damage to his vascular system. Now it's possible to reverse some of that type of damage to your body, but it takes a huge change in lifestyle and diet to do that. Jerry Garcia was clean at the time of his death, but I don't believe he did anything extraordinary in his lifestyle to reverse the effects of heart disease caused by years of drug abuse. The same thing happens to people who abuse steroids as well, as I remember one of the WWE wrestlers died of a heart attack at just age 36. He was clean at the time of his death, but the years he took steroids did a number on his arteries.

Most likely, Whitney went to take a bath, had a heart attack as she entered the bathtub, collapsed into the tub, and drowned as a result. Regardless of how exactly she died, it's a really tragic loss.

Very little reversal. It is really sad to see an former addict who lived hard in his 20s and 30s then reforms... find a good woman, find God, become born again and all that. Then in his 60s... all that stuff he did to his body in his 20s and 30s come back to slap him in the face.

Seen many people dependent on oxygen because their heart is so damaged that they are short of breath all the time.

N Dr. Drew is on CNN.

lazycrockett said:

^ I would say that with todays tech you can find traces of coke no matter how much someone wiped it away. Then again @ the Beverly Hotel you could probably get a buzz by sniffing the carpets.

That may be why certain items were removed from the room if the report is accurate. I heard the person removed bed spreads from the bed and other items.

Timmy84 said:

^ I think that's the sobering reality of it all is that Whitney was the one who used it.

TMZ said that when Whitney died, an individual removed any trace of cocaine found in the room. No telling who it was but according to sources (yeah sources...smh), the cops are investigating on evidence tampering.

I wonder if it was possible Whitney's camp wanted to not report on what exactly led to Whitney's death. That maybe they were the ones printing stories that they "don't know" what happened? If they really didn't know what happened to her, why would they get rid of the cocaine as if not to cause a scene?

Doesn't mean by one stretch of the imagination that this is a possible homicide case because it isn't, but it does mean that someone fucked around with the scene of the crime. Whitney's camp must've known what they were gonna reveal in the autopsy.

[Edited 3/22/12 19:26pm]

I wonder just how bright her entourage was. I mean after all, they let the goose who lay the golden egg party herself to death.

Hope that brother and sister can sell a lot of candles.

You see how well that worked out for the former Mrs. Nelson.

Timmy84 said:

lazycrockett said:

^ I would say that with todays tech you can find traces of coke no matter how much someone wiped it away. Then again @ the Beverly Hotel you could probably get a buzz by sniffing the carpets.

That may be why certain items were removed from the room if the report is accurate. I heard the person removed bed spreads from the bed and other items.

Throw in the fact that they left the body in the hotel room for hours on end, you don't know who was going in and out.

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I think that's the sobering reality of it all is that Whitney was the one who used it.

TMZ said that when Whitney died, an individual removed any trace of cocaine found in the room. No telling who it was but according to sources (yeah sources...smh), the cops are investigating on evidence tampering.

I wonder if it was possible Whitney's camp wanted to not report on what exactly led to Whitney's death. That maybe they were the ones printing stories that they "don't know" what happened? If they really didn't know what happened to her, why would they get rid of the cocaine as if not to cause a scene?

Doesn't mean by one stretch of the imagination that this is a possible homicide case because it isn't, but it does mean that someone fucked around with the scene of the crime. Whitney's camp must've known what they were gonna reveal in the autopsy.

[Edited 3/22/12 19:26pm]

I wonder just how bright her entourage was. I mean after all, they let the goose who lay the golden egg party herself to death.

Hope that brother and sister can sell a lot of candles.

You see how well that worked out for the former Mrs. Nelson.

Forgot about those candles... Lord Jesus...

lazycrockett said:

Timmy84 said:

That may be why certain items were removed from the room if the report is accurate. I heard the person removed bed spreads from the bed and other items.

Throw in the fact that they left the body in the hotel room for hours on end, you don't know who was going in and out.

Good point. I'm beginning to wonder if Whitney's camp didn't want her out yet or the cops in. I think I read on the night of her death that the cops and authorities were actually forced to wait several hours before entering the scene!

RnBAmbassador said:

Her trip to LA was a game changer in a downward spiral:

drinking

erractic behavior

public seeing her at her worst

rejected by two doctors (one for plastic surgery, the other for throat repair of her vocal cords)

major financial problems

altercation at club with Stacy Francis

spat with Ray J (he igged her after the incident at the club that Wednesday with Francis)

her saying she wanted to go see Jesus

her screaming on her balcony that she can't do this shit anymore

sounds like suicide to me, and even those that don't think so - all the drugs in her, the drinking, the chain smoking = SUICIDE one way or the other

musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

You're right. That's so sad. I had totally forgotten about her screaming on her balcony about "not wanting to do this shit anymore"

R.I.P. Whitney

It's a shame she could never shake her habit.

At leat now she's in peace.

prodigalfan said:

728huey said:

It's possible Whitney may have just been genetically at higher risk for heart disease like a lot of people, yet years of drug abuse contributed to her eventual demise. I remember when Jerry Garcia died in 1995 from heart disease, he had been clean and sober for at least a decade, but the years of doing copious amounts of drugs during the late 1960's and all thru the 1970's probably did a lot of serious damage to his vascular system. Now it's possible to reverse some of that type of damage to your body, but it takes a huge change in lifestyle and diet to do that. Jerry Garcia was clean at the time of his death, but I don't believe he did anything extraordinary in his lifestyle to reverse the effects of heart disease caused by years of drug abuse. The same thing happens to people who abuse steroids as well, as I remember one of the WWE wrestlers died of a heart attack at just age 36. He was clean at the time of his death, but the years he took steroids did a number on his arteries.

Most likely, Whitney went to take a bath, had a heart attack as she entered the bathtub, collapsed into the tub, and drowned as a result. Regardless of how exactly she died, it's a really tragic loss.

Very little reversal. It is really sad to see an former addict who lived hard in his 20s and 30s then reforms... find a good woman, find God, become born again and all that. Then in his 60s... all that stuff he did to his body in his 20s and 30s come back to slap him in the face.

Seen many people dependent on oxygen because their heart is so damaged that they are short of breath all the time.

This made me think of Natalie Cole.

MadamGoodnight said:

prodigalfan said:

Very little reversal. It is really sad to see an former addict who lived hard in his 20s and 30s then reforms... find a good woman, find God, become born again and all that. Then in his 60s... all that stuff he did to his body in his 20s and 30s come back to slap him in the face.

Seen many people dependent on oxygen because their heart is so damaged that they are short of breath all the time.

This made me think of Natalie Cole.

Yeah, she used heroin and cocaine like they were sugar used to add to tea. We almost lost her, remember?

Timmy84 said:

MadamGoodnight said:

This made me think of Natalie Cole.

Yeah, she used heroin and cocaine like they were sugar used to add to tea. We almost lost her, remember?

The drugs did a real number on her.

RnBAmbassador said:

Her trip to LA was a game changer in a downward spiral:

drinking

erractic behavior

public seeing her at her worst

rejected by two doctors (one for plastic surgery, the other for throat repair of her vocal cords)

major financial problems

altercation at club with Stacy Francis

spat with Ray J (he igged her after the incident at the club that Wednesday with Francis)

her saying she wanted to go see Jesus

her screaming on her balcony that she can't do this shit anymore

sounds like suicide to me, and even those that don't think so - all the drugs in her, the drinking, the chain smoking = SUICIDE one way or the other

musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

Thank you-glad somebody else sees it.

Some of the comments posted on CNN are fucked up

http://www.cnn.com/2012/0...?hpt=hp_c1

Timmy84 said:

^ I think that's the sobering reality of it all is that Whitney was the one who used it.

TMZ said that when Whitney died, an individual removed any trace of cocaine found in the room. No telling who it was but according to sources (yeah sources...smh), the cops are investigating on evidence tampering.

I wonder if it was possible Whitney's camp wanted to not report on what exactly led to Whitney's death. That maybe they were the ones printing stories that they "don't know" what happened? If they really didn't know what happened to her, why would they get rid of the cocaine as if not to cause a scene?

Doesn't mean by one stretch of the imagination that this is a possible homicide case because it isn't, but it does mean that someone fucked around with the scene of the crime. Whitney's camp must've known what they were gonna reveal in the autopsy.

[Edited 3/22/12 19:26pm]

Yeah I read that too, they (the source) claims that the person who removed the traces of cocaine from the room is the same person who supplied it to Whitney...http://www.tmz.com/2012/0...2wFFhG42uI

Anyways RIP Whitney. This is how I wanna remember her

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I think that's the sobering reality of it all is that Whitney was the one who used it.

TMZ said that when Whitney died, an individual removed any trace of cocaine found in the room. No telling who it was but according to sources (yeah sources...smh), the cops are investigating on evidence tampering.

I wonder if it was possible Whitney's camp wanted to not report on what exactly led to Whitney's death. That maybe they were the ones printing stories that they "don't know" what happened? If they really didn't know what happened to her, why would they get rid of the cocaine as if not to cause a scene?

Doesn't mean by one stretch of the imagination that this is a possible homicide case because it isn't, but it does mean that someone fucked around with the scene of the crime. Whitney's camp must've known what they were gonna reveal in the autopsy.

[Edited 3/22/12 19:26pm]

Yeah I read that too, they (the source) claims that the person who removed the traces of cocaine from the room is the same person who supplied it to Whitney...http://www.tmz.com/2012/0...2wFFhG42uI

Anyways RIP Whitney. This is how I wanna remember her

I agree with this statement.Even though Whitney is a grown women. I still blame the people around her for enabling this to happen to her. She had all these people around her. But yet she was supposedly left alone to do all this cocaine before she dies. Someone had to know she had the cocaine. That is why they cleared the room of the evidence.

Pat knows to. She comes off so shady to me. She was the closest to Whitney & in the room before the authorities came in.Yet doesn't know what happen? Her brother Ray to knows. The Houston family comes off shady to me. Their hiding something.

I wonder if she would have been able to pull through had she not fell into the water. I guess she would have needed people around her for that to happen though. The hiding the coke is pretty normal in the cases of families who feel shame about the drugs, that's the way I've always heard anyway. Sonny Liston died of a heroin overdose and not a shred of paraphernalia was found around him. Families panic, they think they are helping I guess but you know the truth usually comes out.

No one was making Whitney roll up a Jackson and snort blow, smoke weed, drink, and pop pills.

You work for Whitney you do what the Boss wants. Do you clean up the mess afterwards to protect yourself when your boss is floating dead in a tub, Hell yeah.

Call people shady all you want, but shady people is all Whitney wanted around her.

lazycrockett said:

No one was making Whitney roll up a Jackson and snort blow, smoke weed, drink, and pop pills.

You work for Whitney you do what the Boss wants. Do you clean up the mess afterwards to protect yourself when your boss is floating dead in a tub, Hell yeah.

Call people shady all you want, but shady people is all Whitney wanted around her.

probably, i've always been fascinated at the low lives that come around great people. It is a staple in the boxing world, the champ has a million guys around him telling him how great he is as they milk the fuck out of him. I've come to the belief that no one is as secure as they act and that some people use these losers so they don't feel so alone out in the world. Some celebs like Bill Cosby, some boxers like Hagler never ever had a need for any of that shit. I remember Cosby once said "if you have a bunch of people around you, they never shut up!". But not everyone is as secure or strong as these guys. A guy like Elvis for example, was just sort of navigating a lot of new ground, it had to be terrifying dealing with all of that, hence the leaches who take advantage of that shit.

With this autopsy report going around Im giving Bobbi K a side eye cause her lil OWN interview doesn't much match with these results.

i'm giving Oprah the side eye, I thought that bitch retired! It was way too soon to be ambushing a young, dumb (all of us are dumb at that age) kid like that. Tasteless, sickening, oppurtunistic and completely unneccesary.

petes2 said:

i'm giving Oprah the side eye, I thought that bitch retired! It was way too soon to be ambushing a young, dumb (all of us are dumb at that age) kid like that. Tasteless, sickening, oppurtunistic and completely unneccesary.

I'm giving Pat Houston the side-eye.

1) Because of the fact Whitney had been using cocaine. Nobody's gonna convince me Pat did not know that, sorry.

2) Because of that stupid OWN interview. Bobbi-Kristina no doubt got paid a shit load of money for that gig and you can tell because it's written all over her face. That wasn't a young woman who wanted to set the record straight, it was a young woman who was over-the-top thankful to Oprah for paying her to tell us about her mom. Notice that Oprah lead the entire interview, sometimes both initiating a question and ANSWERING IT FOR HER when B-K couldn't string together a coherent sentence. Bobbi-Kristina's thank you at the end to Oprah was so over the top that they may as well have filmed her signing the check over to Pat. Get real, ladies!! This Whitney shit is all out in the open yet everyone pretends it doesn't exist!

Spinlight said:

petes2 said:

i'm giving Oprah the side eye, I thought that bitch retired! It was way too soon to be ambushing a young, dumb (all of us are dumb at that age) kid like that. Tasteless, sickening, oppurtunistic and completely unneccesary.

I'm giving Pat Houston the side-eye.

1) Because of the fact Whitney had been using cocaine. Nobody's gonna convince me Pat did not know that, sorry.

2) Because of that stupid OWN interview. Bobbi-Kristina no doubt got paid a shit load of money for that gig and you can tell because it's written all over her face. That wasn't a young woman who wanted to set the record straight, it was a young woman who was over-the-top thankful to Oprah for paying her to tell us about her mom. Notice that Oprah lead the entire interview, sometimes both initiating a question and ANSWERING IT FOR HER when B-K couldn't string together a coherent sentence. Bobbi-Kristina's thank you at the end to Oprah was so over the top that they may as well have filmed her signing the check over to Pat. Get real, ladies!! This Whitney shit is all out in the open yet everyone pretends it doesn't exist!

Now you understand why I can't stand Oprah... but yeah Pat Houston definitely gets the side eye...majorly.

Spinlight said:

petes2 said:

i'm giving Oprah the side eye, I thought that bitch retired! It was way too soon to be ambushing a young, dumb (all of us are dumb at that age) kid like that. Tasteless, sickening, oppurtunistic and completely unneccesary.

I'm giving Pat Houston the side-eye.

1) Because of the fact Whitney had been using cocaine. Nobody's gonna convince me Pat did not know that, sorry.

2) Because of that stupid OWN interview. Bobbi-Kristina no doubt got paid a shit load of money for that gig and you can tell because it's written all over her face. That wasn't a young woman who wanted to set the record straight, it was a young woman who was over-the-top thankful to Oprah for paying her to tell us about her mom. Notice that Oprah lead the entire interview, sometimes both initiating a question and ANSWERING IT FOR HER when B-K couldn't string together a coherent sentence. Bobbi-Kristina's thank you at the end to Oprah was so over the top that they may as well have filmed her signing the check over to Pat. Get real, ladies!! This Whitney shit is all out in the open yet everyone pretends it doesn't exist!

Don't know much about Pat, so sure, her too, anyone taking a part in the leeching off of someone else's life deserves that. The Bobbi interview looked wrong, she was standing up, as if oprah walked in on her, it had the effect of making me unsettled as I watched it. Something was definitely askew. That they all make money I guesss doesn't surprise me, I happen to think Bobbi is nearly doomed from the git go given her addictive parents, her addiction and now the crazy media will be messing her young head up before she has anymore of a chance. Sad.