Whitney Houston’s family ‘saddened’ by coroner's cocaine finding

musicjunky318 said:

nursev said:

Interesting about Phyllis. But let's look at Whitney for a moment. A woman who had the greatest voice ever, losses that voice, her marriage was filled with heartache and drugs, her career was on a downward turn due to the voice/cocaine and who knows if the "being broke" rumors were true. The man she loved had moved on, remarried, had another child and possibly cleaned up from drugs and here's Whitney still fucking with cocaine I'd say it's enough to make a person want to committ suicide.

She did not committ suicide nursev. Just drop it.

Wow how rude I'm just speaking about the drugs she took, but yeah your opinion is the only one that matters

Timmy84 said:

@musicjunky Yeah like seriously you gonna call your cousin and mother before your death and say everything's good and then kill yourself? Nah ain't buying that.

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That was my point earlier.. The tox report CLEARLY stated what contributed to her death and what did not and i'm guessing that they specified those drugs as not the cause because it was very little of those drugs in her system..

In a way, her death actually reminds me of Ike Turner's though Ike was found slumped over in his bed. It's also stunning for them to say that it was the cocaine that majorly contributed to her death as well as heart disease. Marijuana and the prescription pills (including Xanax) were not used at any heightening level but it was still found in her system.

Timmy84 said:

nursev said:

Lil research for ya'll-Benadryl and heart conditions don't mix.

Before taking Benadryl, tell your doctor if you have

• glaucoma or increased pressure in the eye;

• a stomach ulcer;

• an enlarged prostate, bladder problems or difficulty urinating;

• an overactive thyroid (hyperthyroidism);

• hypertension or any type of heart problems; or

• asthma.

You may not be able to take Benadryl, or you may require a lower dose or special monitoring during treatment if you have any of the conditions listed above.

Like I said add all those other drugs on top of Benadryl and a bad heart and it's over.

Wow I didn't know all that about Benadryl. Then again I'm not surprised...

Even if it was in lower dosage that's still a lot considering what she had.

banks said:

Timmy84 said:

@musicjunky Yeah like seriously you gonna call your cousin and mother before your death and say everything's good and then kill yourself? Nah ain't buying that.

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That was my point earlier.. The tox report CLEARLY stated what contributed to her death and what did not and i'm guessing that they specified those drugs as not the cause because it was very little of those drugs in her system..

Right. The pills she used were not at levels that seemed threatening to her heart THOUGH it was still in her system and that's not good either. People are scratching their heads because no alcohol was reported. People can abuse alcohol without it being found in your system but it definitely doesn't help any matters. She used. No conspiracy here.

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nursev said:

musicjunky318 said:

She did not committ suicide nursev. Just drop it.

Wow how rude I'm just speaking about the drugs she took, but yeah your opinion is the only one that matters

I don't mean to sound snarky I'm sorry. I'm just saying suicide is very left-field when you add everything up.

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

^ maybe the cocaine is a false reading. i would be interested to see the amount she had in her system. I'm not ready to accept that she was wilfully using just days or even hours before her death. I mean she was with Ray J and aint no telling what he may have done, anticipating some fun times with his girl no less. Yeah I'm calling foul on Ray cuz its well known how he and his boys get down when it comes to drink and drugs. Plus how are you going to trust some scrub that routinely makes sex tapes with the women he beds.

I doubt it's false. Rick James was using cocaine at the time of his death too but he died of pulmonary disease. You could still use cocaine and die of something else.

well thing is if someone with Heart Disease, is still doing something like Cocaine, they are gonna die, regardless. So whether she had a heart attack and drowned, something brought it on, and for coke to be in her system it was done recent enough. Now she may have just started using again, who knows, thing is Heart Disease kills you when you add to it, taking something that is gonna cause the heart to work overtime and at an irregular rate, its just like putting a gun to your head. Now again, it might not even be the overall cause, but she had heart disease and did coke in the time frame, so that combo is all you need.

Andy Gibb died the similar except he was clean, no drugs in his system and he had heart failure from the years of doing cocaine. In Andys case recently its been said he "may" have had aids and this was kept hidden because of the stigman the Gibb Family had.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

I doubt it's false. Rick James was using cocaine at the time of his death too but he died of pulmonary disease. You could still use cocaine and die of something else.

well thing is if someone with Heart Disease, is still doing something like Cocaine, they are gonna die, regardless. So whether she had a heart attack and drowned, something brought it on, and for coke to be in her system it was done recent enough. Now she may have just started using again, who knows, thing is Heart Disease kills you when you add to it, taking something that is gonna cause the heart to work overtime and at an irregular rate, its just like putting a gun to your head. Now again, it might not even be the overall cause, but she had heart disease and did coke in the time frame, so that combo is all you need.

Andy Gibb died the similar except he was clean, no drugs in his system and he had heart failure from the years of doing cocaine. In Andys case recently its been said he "may" have had aids and this was kept hidden because of the stigman the Gibb Family had.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

I doubt it's false. Rick James was using cocaine at the time of his death too but he died of pulmonary disease. You could still use cocaine and die of something else.

well thing is if someone with Heart Disease, is still doing something like Cocaine, they are gonna die, regardless. So whether she had a heart attack and drowned, something brought it on, and for coke to be in her system it was done recent enough. Now she may have just started using again, who knows, thing is Heart Disease kills you when you add to it, taking something that is gonna cause the heart to work overtime and at an irregular rate, its just like putting a gun to your head. Now again, it might not even be the overall cause, but she had heart disease and did coke in the time frame, so that combo is all you need.

Andy Gibb died the similar except he was clean, no drugs in his system and he had heart failure from the years of doing cocaine. In Andys case recently its been said he "may" have had aids and this was kept hidden because of the stigman the Gibb Family had.

I heard the AIDS rumor but I don't buy it.

as far as suicide, the older I've gotten the more I make things simpler. People get what they want, if they are doing something self-destructive like smoking or alcohol, they want to die more than they want to live. It's that simple. That is oversimplified for most people but I've had too much family do stupid shit to think otherwise. My ma got out of the hospital for heart surgery and i saw her smoking, I was past the point of saying anything to her, and I say this without any malice or irony or anything else, she wanted to die more than she wanted to live. So it makes no difference whether whit took a billion pills, anyone doing all that shit knows full well what will happen and they do it anyway. they just do it slower than a suicidal person.

Timmy84 said:

banks said:

That was my point earlier.. The tox report CLEARLY stated what contributed to her death and what did not and i'm guessing that they specified those drugs as not the cause because it was very little of those drugs in her system..

Right. The pills she used were not at levels that seemed threatening to her heart THOUGH it was still in her system and that's not good either. People are scratching their heads because no alcohol was reported. People can abuse alcohol without it being found in your system but it definitely doesn't help any matters. She used. No conspiracy here.

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alcohol doesnt stick aound long, couple of hours and that shit is gone. Coke is a diffrent matter. for them to have found that she had to have some in the last week before her death.

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toots said:

HotGritz said:

They could say she overdosed but they don't even say that.

The thing is, who bothers to get a bath for a suicide? Who bothers making plans for the next few days if they are going to commit suicide? Who bothers to promote their film, a film they invested a great deal of time and money in if they are feeling suicidal?

Having known people who have tried to take their lives, the signs just aren't there from what I've read so far.

Shit if anybody was gonna commit suicide it would have been Bobby Brown way back when. You had a dude with a busted career, busted marriage, multiple arrests, bad press, too much financial responsibility with not enough money to cover it. I mean damn, that shit is depressing me while I'm typing it.

ok ill try to explain this.. add depression + stress +public image+ the many factors of being a celebrity ur expected to live up to + plu s th e constant use of alchohol and drugs ...noone plans to commit suicide if they wanna actually do it it usually a spur of the moment decision

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I realize that but you are forgetting one fundamental fact. Whitney was a Christian and church girl and suicide still holds great stigma among many religious folk be you christian, jew or muslim. The depression, stress, public image etc have been experienced by many drug addicted celebs and they don't as a general rule commit suicide. There are signs to look for and that's why we have suicide prevention programs today. Again, her behavior before her death does not speak to an intent to end her life. Sorry but it just doesn't.

banks said:

Timmy84 said:

Right. The pills she used were not at levels that seemed threatening to her heart THOUGH it was still in her system and that's not good either. People are scratching their heads because no alcohol was reported. People can abuse alcohol without it being found in your system but it definitely doesn't help any matters. She used. No conspiracy here.

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alcohol doesnt stick aound long, couple of hours and that shit is gone. Coke is a diffrent matter. for them to have found that she had to have some in the last week before her death.

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Yeah I didn't think it did.

banks said:

Timmy84 said:

Right. The pills she used were not at levels that seemed threatening to her heart THOUGH it was still in her system and that's not good either. People are scratching their heads because no alcohol was reported. People can abuse alcohol without it being found in your system but it definitely doesn't help any matters. She used. No conspiracy here.

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alcohol doesnt stick aound long, couple of hours and that shit is gone. Coke is a diffrent matter. for them to have found that she had to have some in the last week before her death.

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Doesn't coke produce benzoylecgonine in the body and that stays in the body for up to a month or longer depending on how much coke you use and the type of coke (all cocaine aint the same)? If Whitney was in rehab back in December then maybe it was around that time she was using versus using the night or two before her death.

HotGritz said:

banks said:

alcohol doesnt stick aound long, couple of hours and that shit is gone. Coke is a diffrent matter. for them to have found that she had to have some in the last week before her death.

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Doesn't coke produce benzoylecgonine in the body and that stays in the body for up to a month or longer depending on how much coke you use and the type of coke (all cocaine aint the same)? If Whitney was in rehab back in December then maybe it was around that time she was using versus using the night or two before her death.

you know i'm talking from a piss test stand point. you can use coke and it not be found in your system during a piss test within 7 days..being that they actually tested tissue from her body i can't say that it was recently injested..

banks said:

HotGritz said:

Doesn't coke produce benzoylecgonine in the body and that stays in the body for up to a month or longer depending on how much coke you use and the type of coke (all cocaine aint the same)? If Whitney was in rehab back in December then maybe it was around that time she was using versus using the night or two before her death.

you know i'm talking from a piss test stand point. you can use coke and it not be found in your system during a piss test within 7 days..being that they actually tested tissue from her body i can't say that it was recently injested..

aah ok. I guess that's why niacin be flying off the shelves. it helps with passing the piss test. that's what i heard anyway.

I know this is an odd time to bring it up, but since we on the subject of Whitney, I have a question.

Either in the very late 90's or the early 00's, Bobby and Whitney were performing together on an awards show and were dressed alike...they were both wearing white and yellow. I remember Whit's hair was curly. Anyway, her stomach was noticeably bigger than normal and she looked as if she could had been 5 or 6 months pregnant but it WAS NEVER MENTIONED (possibly because she has suffered so many miscarriages, so I could understand the matter of it being discreet). So was she really pregnant around that time but eventually miscarried?

Whitney was on alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, and a muscle relaxer when she died in a hotel before a party. And Bobby was out on tour. Maybe it’s time to stop assuming Bobby brought the drugs into that marriage.

jpnyc said:

Whitney was on alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, and a muscle relaxer when she died in a hotel before a party. And Bobby was out on tour. Maybe it’s time to stop assuming Bobby brought the drugs into that marriage.

agreed

missfee said:

I know this is an odd time to bring it up, but since we on the subject of Whitney, I have a question.

Either in the very late 90's or the early 00's, Bobby and Whitney were performing together on an awards show and were dressed alike...they were both wearing white and yellow. I remember Whit's hair was curly. Anyway, her stomach was noticeably bigger than normal and she looked as if she could had been 5 or 6 months pregnant but it WAS NEVER MENTIONED (possibly because she has suffered so many miscarriages, so I could understand the matter of it being discreet). So was she really pregnant around that time but eventually miscarried?

I don't know. I had wondered if she was carrying too. Then again, she also had a similar gut during her last tour.

jpnyc said:

Whitney was on alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, and a muscle relaxer when she died in a hotel before a party. And Bobby was out on tour. Maybe it’s time to stop assuming Bobby brought the drugs into that marriage.

Whitney confirmed to Sister2Sister in 2003 that she had used drugs prior to her meeting Bobby. She said "I started in the hood, I'm what you call a functioning junkie."

Also if you recall back when Whitney's professional career started, drugs were always around. It's possible she started either when she was doing session work in New York or during her modeling days (1980-1982) meaning she started using cocaine until she turned 18. So 30 years of damage led to her death.

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jpnyc said:

Whitney was on alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, and a muscle relaxer when she died in a hotel before a party. And Bobby was out on tour. Maybe it’s time to stop assuming Bobby brought the drugs into that marriage.

Amen to that........

missfee said:

I know this is an odd time to bring it up, but since we on the subject of Whitney, I have a question.

Either in the very late 90's or the early 00's, Bobby and Whitney were performing together on an awards show and were dressed alike...they were both wearing white and yellow. I remember Whit's hair was curly. Anyway, her stomach was noticeably bigger than normal and she looked as if she could had been 5 or 6 months pregnant but it WAS NEVER MENTIONED (possibly because she has suffered so many miscarriages, so I could understand the matter of it being discreet). So was she really pregnant around that time but eventually miscarried?

If you are talking 1996 she was definitely pregnant then and suffered a miscarriage.

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

I know this is an odd time to bring it up, but since we on the subject of Whitney, I have a question.

Either in the very late 90's or the early 00's, Bobby and Whitney were performing together on an awards show and were dressed alike...they were both wearing white and yellow. I remember Whit's hair was curly. Anyway, her stomach was noticeably bigger than normal and she looked as if she could had been 5 or 6 months pregnant but it WAS NEVER MENTIONED (possibly because she has suffered so many miscarriages, so I could understand the matter of it being discreet). So was she really pregnant around that time but eventually miscarried?

I don't know. I had wondered if she was carrying too. Then again, she also had a similar gut during her last tour.

Hmm..I know she had a gut during her last tour, but that gut was what you would call a gut, know what I mean? This "gut" she had during that show was not a gut, not a bloated stomach either. I just for some reason never forgot about it.

HotGritz said:

missfee said:

I know this is an odd time to bring it up, but since we on the subject of Whitney, I have a question.

Either in the very late 90's or the early 00's, Bobby and Whitney were performing together on an awards show and were dressed alike...they were both wearing white and yellow. I remember Whit's hair was curly. Anyway, her stomach was noticeably bigger than normal and she looked as if she could had been 5 or 6 months pregnant but it WAS NEVER MENTIONED (possibly because she has suffered so many miscarriages, so I could understand the matter of it being discreet). So was she really pregnant around that time but eventually miscarried?

If you are talking 1996 she was definitely pregnant then and suffered a miscarriage.

Chile I'm not sure, let me run to youtube for a sec...

missfee said:

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't know. I had wondered if she was carrying too. Then again, she also had a similar gut during her last tour.

Hmm..I know she had a gut during her last tour, but that gut was what you would call a gut, know what I mean? This "gut" she had during that show was not a gut, not a bloated stomach either. I just for some reason never forgot about it.

Hmm, I see what you mean. Maybe she was indeed preggo. But I guess if she had been pregnant, maybe performing wasn't a really bright idea. I remember how bad of a night she was having. Her voice had given out and her frustration during the performance of "Try It On My Own" was real visible. Even Bobby was like " ".

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musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

You know I saw some of her performances from the "comeback year"... girl was out of it then.

There's not a single performance from that era that I enjoyed wholeheartedly. They were all either cringeworthy or verging on cringeworthy.

I loved when she sang "I look to you" on Oprah. It wasn't cringeworthy. Poor thing, she was really trying.