Timmy84 said:

petes2 said:

I wonder if the doctors would say if they thought it was suicide? Probably the amounts of one or the other drugs would tell them. Maybe they just don't want to make it too hard on the family to take which I guess is understandable. But I still don't get the contributory this and that. I mean can't they tell if she had a massive heart attack?

They can. Like banks said, the FULL report ain't coming out in another two weeks. They know. They just wanted to make sure. Whitney's heart just flatly gave out like I thought.

Like the doctor said this is just the tox report but he's leaning toward a heart attack but we'll know in 2 weeks when the official report is released..

HotGritz said:

petes2 said:

I wonder if the doctors would say if they thought it was suicide? Probably the amounts of one or the other drugs would tell them. Maybe they just don't want to make it too hard on the family to take which I guess is understandable. But I still don't get the contributory this and that. I mean can't they tell if she had a massive heart attack?

They could say she overdosed but they don't even say that.

The thing is, who bothers to get a bath for a suicide? Who bothers making plans for the next few days if they are going to commit suicide? Who bothers to promote their film, a film they invested a great deal of time and money in if they are feeling suicidal?

Having known people who have tried to take their lives, the signs just aren't there from what I've read so far.

Shit if anybody was gonna commit suicide it would have been Bobby Brown way back when. You had a dude with a busted career, busted marriage, multiple arrests, bad press, too much financial responsibility with not enough money to cover it. I mean damn, that shit is depressing me while I'm typing it.

ok ill try to explain this.. add depression + stress +public image+ the many factors of being a celebrity ur expected to live up to + plu s th e constant use of alchohol and drugs ...noone plans to commit suicide if they wanna actually do it it usually a spur of the moment decision

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musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

That's what I'm saying. She had her home in ATL and Jersey if I'm not mistaken. Like I said earlier, people don't make future plans when they don't want a future. She didn't even update her will before the suspected suicide. Many people planning on ending their lives do strange things that indicate they are saying goodbye. For example, they give things away, the clean, they talk as if they are taking some trip somewhere, they distance themselves from the people they are closest too, they experience bouts of depression that are VISIBLE to all around them, they isolate themselves etc. Whitney did none of this. Heck the day before she was all hugged up on Clive.

musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

Why not? Didn't Phyllis do it on a night she had to perform? Some one will notice and come for you

Reading elsewhere but CNN's Don Lemon spoke to the coroner and it was said that due to the fact that Whitney had heart disease, using cocaine created some kind of "heart event" (likely a heart attack) that she slumped over and drowned.

HotGritz said:

musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

That's what I'm saying. She had her home in ATL and Jersey if I'm not mistaken. Like I said earlier, people don't make future plans when they don't want a future. She didn't even update her will before the suspected suicide. Many people planning on ending their lives do strange things that indicate they are saying goodbye. For example, they give things away, the clean, they talk as if they are taking some trip somewhere, they distance themselves from the people they are closest too, they experience bouts of depression that are VISIBLE to all around them, they isolate themselves etc. Whitney did none of this. Heck the day before she was all hugged up on Clive.

ever heard of hiding behind a smile or mask?

Timmy84 said:

petes2 said:

Jimmy who? Hendrix? Tell me more.

Nah Jimmy Potter, manager of the Five Heartbeats, you didn't watch the movie? lol

oh hell no, townsend was brilliant and made one of my all time faves with Hollywood Shuffle but he lost his edge by the time of Meteor Man so I wrote his ass off.

nursev said:

musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

Why not? Didn't Phyllis do it on a night she had to perform? Some one will notice and come for you

Phyllis also left a note and had talked about suicide to friends months before. In Phyllis' "Unsung", Regina Belle explained that she was worried about her because while they were talking, Regina looked over and saw two books about death, meaning that Phyllis was in a way telling folks "there's no need to live anymore". Whitney doesn't strike me as the suicidal type. Maybe she was depressed, yeah, but suicidal? Nah.

Timmy84 said:

Reading elsewhere but CNN's Don Lemon spoke to the coroner and it was said that due to the fact that Whitney had heart disease, using cocaine created some kind of "heart event" (likely a heart attack) that she slumped over and drowned.

thats what most of the doctors i've seen on tv are saying..

banks said:

Timmy84 said:

Reading elsewhere but CNN's Don Lemon spoke to the coroner and it was said that due to the fact that Whitney had heart disease, using cocaine created some kind of "heart event" (likely a heart attack) that she slumped over and drowned.

thats what most of the doctors i've seen on tv are saying..

And I believe them.

toots said:

HotGritz said:

They could say she overdosed but they don't even say that.

The thing is, who bothers to get a bath for a suicide? Who bothers making plans for the next few days if they are going to commit suicide? Who bothers to promote their film, a film they invested a great deal of time and money in if they are feeling suicidal?

Having known people who have tried to take their lives, the signs just aren't there from what I've read so far.

Shit if anybody was gonna commit suicide it would have been Bobby Brown way back when. You had a dude with a busted career, busted marriage, multiple arrests, bad press, too much financial responsibility with not enough money to cover it. I mean damn, that shit is depressing me while I'm typing it.

ok ill try to explain this.. add depression + stress +public image+ the many factors of being a celebrity ur expected to live up to + plu s th e constant use of alchohol and drugs ...noone plans to commit suicide if they wanna actually do it it usually a spur of the moment decision

[Edited 3/22/12 15:50pm]

i guess it'll be easier to tell once the amounts come out. If she took a thousand pills it'll be clear. Either way, slow suicide or intentional suicide, results the same.

nursev said:

musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

Why not? Didn't Phyllis do it on a night she had to perform? Some one will notice and come for you

Phyllis was bipolar and suffered from mental illness. It's a difference from being a drug addict. And she was in New York and was performing at the Apollo.

nursev said:

musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

Why not? Didn't Phyllis do it on a night she had to perform? Some one will notice and come for you

let's be fair though, that business is full of assholes who push and push and push, nothing like how most of us live our lives.

And y'know what? I can't even blame the shady folks she hung around with, sometimes, you decide that you're gonna do what you wanna do fuck who else cares. So Whitney's fate was possibly sealed. But even I won't blame them, hanging around folks like Pat Houston, her brother, Ray J and the like was not gonna be the solutions to her problem.

Timmy84 said:

And y'know what? I can't even blame the shady folks she hung around with, sometimes, you decide that you're gonna do what you wanna do fuck who else cares. So Whitney's fate was possibly sealed. But even I won't blame them, hanging around folks like Pat Houston, her brother, Ray J and the like was not gonna be the solutions to her problem.

You think Pat is shady? I thought she seemed sincere.

musicjunky318 said:

nursev said:

Why not? Didn't Phyllis do it on a night she had to perform? Some one will notice and come for you

Phyllis was bipolar and suffered from mental illness. It's a difference from being a drug addict. And she was in New York and was performing at the Apollo.

Even with that, she was also using. I think doctors found a few prescription pills in her system at the time of her death, I don't think they found cocaine. Either she hadn't used in three days or she had at least let go of cocaine but was still abusing pills. Maybe she thought pills would be a quicker way to kill herself than cocaine. Whitney's issue was heart problems.

musicjunky318 said:

nursev said:

Why not? Didn't Phyllis do it on a night she had to perform? Some one will notice and come for you

Phyllis was bipolar and suffered from mental illness. It's a difference from being a drug addict. And she was in New York and was performing at the Apollo.

Phyllis was not only bipolar and depressed, she also battled drug, alcohol and food addictions. I can't even begin the imagine what she had to be going thru with all of those crosses to bear.

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

And y'know what? I can't even blame the shady folks she hung around with, sometimes, you decide that you're gonna do what you wanna do fuck who else cares. So Whitney's fate was possibly sealed. But even I won't blame them, hanging around folks like Pat Houston, her brother, Ray J and the like was not gonna be the solutions to her problem.

You think Pat is shady? I thought she seemed sincere.

I honestly don't know. I almost didn't wanna include her in there... I just don't understand her terminology of how she explained why Whitney was struggling up until her death. So maybe that's where I expect shadiness. If she's not I deeply apologized.

Timmy84 said:

Reading elsewhere but CNN's Don Lemon spoke to the coroner and it was said that due to the fact that Whitney had heart disease, using cocaine created some kind of "heart event" (likely a heart attack) that she slumped over and drowned.

Lil research for ya'll-Benadryl and heart conditions don't mix.

Before taking Benadryl, tell your doctor if you have

• glaucoma or increased pressure in the eye;

• a stomach ulcer;

• an enlarged prostate, bladder problems or difficulty urinating;

• an overactive thyroid (hyperthyroidism);

• hypertension or any type of heart problems; or

• asthma.

You may not be able to take Benadryl, or you may require a lower dose or special monitoring during treatment if you have any of the conditions listed above.

Like I said add all those other drugs on top of Benadryl and a bad heart and it's over.

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

Reading elsewhere but CNN's Don Lemon spoke to the coroner and it was said that due to the fact that Whitney had heart disease, using cocaine created some kind of "heart event" (likely a heart attack) that she slumped over and drowned.

Lil research for ya'll-Benadryl and heart conditions don't mix.

Before taking Benadryl, tell your doctor if you have

• glaucoma or increased pressure in the eye;

• a stomach ulcer;

• an enlarged prostate, bladder problems or difficulty urinating;

• an overactive thyroid (hyperthyroidism);

• hypertension or any type of heart problems; or

• asthma.

You may not be able to take Benadryl, or you may require a lower dose or special monitoring during treatment if you have any of the conditions listed above.

Like I said add all those other drugs on top of Benadryl and a bad heart and it's over.

Wow I didn't know all that about Benadryl. Then again I'm not surprised...

Even if it was in lower dosage that's still a lot considering what she had.

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Phyllis was bipolar and suffered from mental illness. It's a difference from being a drug addict. And she was in New York and was performing at the Apollo.

Even with that, she was also using. I think doctors found a few prescription pills in her system at the time of her death, I don't think they found cocaine. Either she hadn't used in three days or she had at least let go of cocaine but was still abusing pills. Maybe she thought pills would be a quicker way to kill herself than cocaine. Whitney's issue was heart problems.

The circumstances were different. Phyllis was in the same vicinity, she left a suicide note, she was by herself...Whitney had her daughter with her, her sister-in-law, her brother. She spoke to her cousin the same day, she flew across-country. I sincerely doubt it was suicide.

Timmy84 said:

nursev said:

Why not? Didn't Phyllis do it on a night she had to perform? Some one will notice and come for you

Phyllis also left a note and had talked about suicide to friends months before. In Phyllis' "Unsung", Regina Belle explained that she was worried about her because while they were talking, Regina looked over and saw two books about death, meaning that Phyllis was in a way telling folks "there's no need to live anymore". Whitney doesn't strike me as the suicidal type. Maybe she was depressed, yeah, but suicidal? Nah.

Interesting about Phyllis. But let's look at Whitney for a moment. A woman who had the greatest voice ever, losses that voice, her marriage was filled with heartache and drugs, her career was on a downward turn due to the voice/cocaine and who knows if the "being broke" rumors were true. The man she loved had moved on, remarried, had another child and possibly cleaned up from drugs and here's Whitney still fucking with cocaine I'd say it's enough to make a person want to committ suicide.

sad man....

I really wish people would let this woman R.I.P, I have to see people talking shit on her constantly. And people posting pics with the starving children saying 1 dies a million cry & a million die & one cry.. and crap like that. Gosh people will just give shit to this woman constantly......

Yet they act like they never did anything bad in there life... please.

R.I.P Whitney

@musicjunky Yeah like seriously you gonna call your cousin and mother before your death and say everything's good and then kill yourself? Nah ain't buying that.

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petes2 said:

nursev said:

Why not? Didn't Phyllis do it on a night she had to perform? Some one will notice and come for you

let's be fair though, that business is full of assholes who push and push and push, nothing like how most of us live our lives.

true

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

You think Pat is shady? I thought she seemed sincere.

I honestly don't know. I almost didn't wanna include her in there... I just don't understand her terminology of how she explained why Whitney was struggling up until her death. So maybe that's where I expect shadiness. If she's not I deeply apologized.

I think she had good intentions and I 100% agree with her about the chasing after Ray-J and how it destroyed her.

musicjunky318 said:

nursev said:

Why not? Didn't Phyllis do it on a night she had to perform? Some one will notice and come for you

Phyllis was bipolar and suffered from mental illness. It's a difference from being a drug addict. And she was in New York and was performing at the Apollo.

Yes I remember that, but still she had to deal with Clive Davis and his shit. I just used her as an example of why a person would committ suicide when they have a party to go to-cuz they know they will be missed and found. But carry on.

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

I honestly don't know. I almost didn't wanna include her in there... I just don't understand her terminology of how she explained why Whitney was struggling up until her death. So maybe that's where I expect shadiness. If she's not I deeply apologized.

I think she had good intentions and I 100% agree with her about the chasing after Ray-J and how it destroyed her.

I do agree with what she said there. That girl had no business being with that idiot... then again Whitney did what she wanted to do.

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

Phyllis also left a note and had talked about suicide to friends months before. In Phyllis' "Unsung", Regina Belle explained that she was worried about her because while they were talking, Regina looked over and saw two books about death, meaning that Phyllis was in a way telling folks "there's no need to live anymore". Whitney doesn't strike me as the suicidal type. Maybe she was depressed, yeah, but suicidal? Nah.

Interesting about Phyllis. But let's look at Whitney for a moment. A woman who had the greatest voice ever, losses that voice, her marriage was filled with heartache and drugs, her career was on a downward turn due to the voice/cocaine and who knows if the "being broke" rumors were true. The man she loved had moved on, remarried, had another child and possibly cleaned up from drugs and here's Whitney still fucking with cocaine I'd say it's enough to make a person want to committ suicide.

She did not committ suicide nursev. Just drop it.

Her heart gave out .. what a shame. smh drugs no joke.