musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

You know I saw some of her performances from the "comeback year"... girl was out of it then.

There's not a single performance from that era that I enjoyed wholeheartedly. They were all either cringeworthy or verging on cringeworthy.

Exactly. Not to mention the times on her tour when she definitely seemed out of it.

Identity said:

Put simply, I think she had a massive heart attack, which killed her. Her body then slid underwater.

I don't think she took her own life because she longed to be with her daughter forever. She abused drugs and met a bitter end.

I aint buying suicide at all. She loved Bobbi K more than anyone else in her world.

musicjunky318 said:

So with this revelation we can go two ways. The comeback in 2009....Whitney herself was continuing to lie about being clean or Arista, Clive, etc. knew there was a problem but pushed her in the spotlight anyway simply to make a buck - telling everybody she was fine when they knew damn well she wasn't.

Clive fucking knew it, but made her do it anyway Like I said before her voice was gone and I'm pretty sure she was tired of the humiliation from that, but this bastard kept dragging her along anyway.

I bet U Ray J knew she was still doing coke & everything else. There have been pix of them two together with pills in her purse...

nursev said:

toots said:

add Flexeril to the mix and yeah and ur talking a great long sleep possibly death

every muscle is the body relaxes including the chest wall/diaphragm Certain death. Not to forget the time it takes for the body to metabolize these drugs. Death Cocktail.

Yup. People need to read up on how drugs of any sort (street or legal) can cause your heart to give out. Now Cissy's letter about being depressed for two months leading to her death and saying she knew Whitney wasn't gonna have long to live makes sense... poor Cissy.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I bet U Ray J knew she was still doing coke & everything else. There have been pix of them two together with pills in her purse...

I bet U Ray J GAVE HER THE COKE!

Spinlight said:

So then, my predictions were pretty close. That is really sad. Rest in peace, Whitney.

but how long does coccaine stay in a persons system? tracible?

I mean a person can smoke weed in March and never again but it can be traced 3+ months down the road (especially thru a hair folical test)

I'm not to up n up on drug stuff

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I bet U Ray J knew she was still doing coke & everything else. There have been pix of them two together with pills in her purse...

That muhfuckka probably helped her get it out there in LA Ray J ass is scum.

It's all so sad. I wish she was still here.

play w fire one too many times and your gonna get burned .. sad it had to be her. Noone who uses and abuses drugs is immuned from its fatal effects. If it wasnt drugs that killed her n she had health issues mixin drugs n alchy dont lend itself to a proper diet.

HotGritz said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I bet U Ray J knew she was still doing coke & everything else. There have been pix of them two together with pills in her purse...

I bet U Ray J GAVE HER THE COKE!

Honey, Nippy would have been getting high on coke even if Ray J was in Timbuktu!!!!

OldFriends4Sale said:

Spinlight said:

So then, my predictions were pretty close. That is really sad. Rest in peace, Whitney.

but how long does coccaine stay in a persons system? tracible?

I mean a person can smoke weed in March and never again but it can be traced 3+ months down the road (especially thru a hair folical test)

I'm not to up n up on drug stuff

Cocaine leaves the system fairly fast... about 7 days.

Cocaine can stay in your body two to three days after an intake or 72 hours. This is from what I read.

For coke to be in your system (or any drug), you still have to be using up until your death. It's also possible for cocaine to still be in your system regardless if you used it or not but from the way they word it: chronic cocaine use, it's possible she was still smoking cocaine blunts at the time she passed away.

I read on Andy Gibb's toxicology report and while he was known to have used cocaine, cocaine was not found in his system when he died. It simply said "heart disease".

I believe Whitney was still using.

Timmy84 said:

nursev said:

every muscle is the body relaxes including the chest wall/diaphragm Certain death. Not to forget the time it takes for the body to metabolize these drugs. Death Cocktail.

Yup. People need to read up on how drugs of any sort (street or legal) can cause your heart to give out. Now Cissy's letter about being depressed for two months leading to her death and saying she knew Whitney wasn't gonna have long to live makes sense... poor Cissy.

So sad The average person really needs to learn about the life of drugs once they enter a person's system. Some take hours to be excreted by the kidneys, some take days, some take weeks You can't add all these narcotics together and think you will live-heart can't take it. Add a depressed person to that and it's a done deal.

musicjunky318 said:

So with this revelation we can go two ways. The comeback in 2009....Whitney herself was continuing to lie about being clean or Arista, Clive, etc. knew there was a problem but pushed her in the spotlight anyway simply to make a buck - telling everybody she was fine when they knew damn well she wasn't.

Bingo. I remember those youtube vids of her acting erratic with her rants and sounding horrible. There were signs way back then that she hadn't kicked her habit, yet Arista pimped her out anyway. Sad situation all around. Then for Clive to show up at the funeral after still having had that party the SAME NIGHT she died spoke volumes in itself. It's like when Big Red showed up at Jimmy's funeral with that single red rose of evil.

[Edited 3/22/12 15:38pm]

HotGritz said:

Identity said:

Put simply, I think she had a massive heart attack, which killed her. Her body then slid underwater.

I don't think she took her own life because she longed to be with her daughter forever. She abused drugs and met a bitter end.

I aint buying suicide at all. She loved Bobbi K more than anyone else in her world.

as a mom myself u can get deeply depressed as well plus Bobbi k was of age to take care of herself and if one is THAT depressed the depression oversees alot of what u wanna live for an d make u think crazy things add the drugs ...yeah its a suicide in disguise

kitbradley said:

HotGritz said:

I bet U Ray J GAVE HER THE COKE!

Honey, Nippy would have been getting high on coke even if Ray J was in Timbuktu!!!!

True but im just saying addicts have an easier time being addicts when their dealer is close by. Ever wonder why Whit wasn't caught on the streets tryna score drugs the way El and Robert Downey Jr were? Cuz she had her dealers right there just ready and willing to give her that rock.

HotGritz said:

Identity said:

Put simply, I think she had a massive heart attack, which killed her. Her body then slid underwater.

I don't think she took her own life because she longed to be with her daughter forever. She abused drugs and met a bitter end.

I aint buying suicide at all. She loved Bobbi K more than anyone else in her world.

I wonder if the doctors would say if they thought it was suicide? Probably the amounts of one or the other drugs would tell them. Maybe they just don't want to make it too hard on the family to take which I guess is understandable. But I still don't get the contributory this and that. I mean can't they tell if she had a massive heart attack?

HotGritz said:

Identity said:

Put simply, I think she had a massive heart attack, which killed her. Her body then slid underwater.

I don't think she took her own life because she longed to be with her daughter forever. She abused drugs and met a bitter end.

I aint buying suicide at all. She loved Bobbi K more than anyone else in her world.

I'm watching the news now and a couple of Doctor's feel like she might have a heart attack, plus the full report comes out in 2 weeks and i think those questions will be answered then.

missfee said:

musicjunky318 said:

So with this revelation we can go two ways. The comeback in 2009....Whitney herself was continuing to lie about being clean or Arista, Clive, etc. knew there was a problem but pushed her in the spotlight anyway simply to make a buck - telling everybody she was fine when they knew damn well she wasn't.

Bingo. I remember those youtube vids of her acting erratic with her rants and sounding horrible. There were signs way back then that she hadn't kicked her habit, yet Arista pimped her out anyway. Sad situation all around. Then for Clive to show up at the funeral after still having had that party the SAME NIGHT she died spoke volumes in itself. It's like when Big Red showed up at Jimmy's funeral with that single red rose of evil.

[Edited 3/22/12 15:38pm]

Jimmy who? Hendrix? Tell me more.

banks said:

HotGritz said:

I aint buying suicide at all. She loved Bobbi K more than anyone else in her world.

I'm watching the news now and a couple of Doctor's feel like she might have a heart attack, plus the full report comes out in 2 weeks and i think those questions will be answered then.

When you add heart disease, it's believeable that she suffered a heart attack, which explains everything.

petes2 said:

HotGritz said:

I aint buying suicide at all. She loved Bobbi K more than anyone else in her world.

I wonder if the doctors would say if they thought it was suicide? Probably the amounts of one or the other drugs would tell them. Maybe they just don't want to make it too hard on the family to take which I guess is understandable. But I still don't get the contributory this and that. I mean can't they tell if she had a massive heart attack?

yea they can tell and we havent seen the full report yet.. that report will be released in 2 weeks

petes2 said:

missfee said:

Bingo. I remember those youtube vids of her acting erratic with her rants and sounding horrible. There were signs way back then that she hadn't kicked her habit, yet Arista pimped her out anyway. Sad situation all around. Then for Clive to show up at the funeral after still having had that party the SAME NIGHT she died spoke volumes in itself. It's like when Big Red showed up at Jimmy's funeral with that single red rose of evil.

[Edited 3/22/12 15:38pm]

Jimmy who? Hendrix? Tell me more.

Nah Jimmy Potter, manager of the Five Heartbeats, you didn't watch the movie? lol

missfee said:

musicjunky318 said:

So with this revelation we can go two ways. The comeback in 2009....Whitney herself was continuing to lie about being clean or Arista, Clive, etc. knew there was a problem but pushed her in the spotlight anyway simply to make a buck - telling everybody she was fine when they knew damn well she wasn't.

Bingo. I remember those youtube vids of her acting erratic with her rants and sounding horrible. There were signs way back then that she hadn't kicked her habit, yet Arista pimped her out anyway. Sad situation all around. Then for Clive to show up at the funeral after still having had that party the SAME NIGHT she died spoke volumes in itself. It's like when Big Red showed up at Jimmy's funeral with that single red rose of evil.

[Edited 3/22/12 15:38pm]

EXACTLY.

toots said:

HotGritz said:

I aint buying suicide at all. She loved Bobbi K more than anyone else in her world.

as a mom myself u can get deeply depressed as well plus Bobbi k was of age to take care of herself and if one is THAT depressed the depression oversees alot of what u wanna live for an d make u think crazy things add the drugs ...yeah its a suicide in disguise

Great way to put it

petes2 said:

missfee said:

Bingo. I remember those youtube vids of her acting erratic with her rants and sounding horrible. There were signs way back then that she hadn't kicked her habit, yet Arista pimped her out anyway. Sad situation all around. Then for Clive to show up at the funeral after still having had that party the SAME NIGHT she died spoke volumes in itself. It's like when Big Red showed up at Jimmy's funeral with that single red rose of evil.

[Edited 3/22/12 15:38pm]

Jimmy who? Hendrix? Tell me more.

The Five Heartbeats.

petes2 said:

HotGritz said:

I aint buying suicide at all. She loved Bobbi K more than anyone else in her world.

I wonder if the doctors would say if they thought it was suicide? Probably the amounts of one or the other drugs would tell them. Maybe they just don't want to make it too hard on the family to take which I guess is understandable. But I still don't get the contributory this and that. I mean can't they tell if she had a massive heart attack?

They could say she overdosed but they don't even say that.

The thing is, who bothers to get a bath for a suicide? Who bothers making plans for the next few days if they are going to commit suicide? Who bothers to promote their film, a film they invested a great deal of time and money in if they are feeling suicidal?

Having known people who have tried to take their lives, the signs just aren't there from what I've read so far.

Shit if anybody was gonna commit suicide it would have been Bobby Brown way back when. You had a dude with a busted career, busted marriage, multiple arrests, bad press, too much financial responsibility with not enough money to cover it. I mean damn, that shit is depressing me while I'm typing it.

petes2 said:

HotGritz said:

I aint buying suicide at all. She loved Bobbi K more than anyone else in her world.

I wonder if the doctors would say if they thought it was suicide? Probably the amounts of one or the other drugs would tell them. Maybe they just don't want to make it too hard on the family to take which I guess is understandable. But I still don't get the contributory this and that. I mean can't they tell if she had a massive heart attack?

They can. Like banks said, the FULL report ain't coming out in another two weeks. They know. They just wanted to make sure. Whitney's heart just flatly gave out like I thought.

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

musicjunky318 said:

It wasn't suicide. Why would she fly all the way to LA for the Grammys to commit suicide? She was ready to party. If she wanted to kill herself she could have stayed home. Whitney lived in Atlanta right?

Exactly. Definitely accidental as has been reported. Whitney didn't wanna die. She still was looking to be with Krissy until they both got older.