That is quite interesting about how weed can indeed lead to an overdose... hmm... I heard kush is one of the strongest in terms of weed groups...

Timmy84 said:

That is quite interesting about how weed can indeed lead to an overdose... hmm... I heard kush is one of the strongest in terms of weed groups...

It can be when done the right way. Cali bud is the best bud you will find in the states, don't let anyone tell you otherwise (cuz its a lie). Cali-grown strains in the Kush family will put you on cloud 9.

Bear in mind, though, when I say "overdose" on weed... It's very very literal. Its over the normal dose. But its not an overdose in the sense you are foaming at the mouth. Nothing bad will happen to you on an OD from pot edibles, you will just feel discomfort for an hour before you pass out and sleep for 12 hours.

Cannabis is a wonder plant.

So basically a weed overdose just means you're dozing off in a sleep for hours?

With Bruce, he ate cannabis to relax, being the high strung guy that he was under tremendous stress from fame. He had an episode several weeks before he died, he had a seizure, almost died then. The doctors found that he had been eating cannabis leaves from Nepal and they warned him that the next time he did it he could die. It wasn't an OD as such but a reaction to an alkali in the leaves which caused his brain to swell and he died. The official cause of the pain pill was just to save face and to help his family collect on a life insurance policy. He was far from a junkie or anything and therefore, no one wanted a taint like that on his legacy. As hard as this is to believe for people, the evidence is out there, his own personal doctor who was American says this. His wife still sticks to the "official" story as do many other people.

Spinlight said:

Musicslave said:

Maybe she was thanking her for allowing her to get her point of view across on her mom, instead of the media's portrayal. idk

Or maybe she was thanking her for that check that just posted in her account...

YOu may be right on the former, but I really do feel its the latter.

That interview didn't shed any light on Whitney as a person. All BK talked about was that she's getting through it (good!) and that Whitney's ghost is haunting their home and BK is humbled.

Now if that doesn't sound like a sing for your supper, I dunno what does. If my mom just died from a coke-related drowning, the first thing I'd do is dispel actual rumors. BK never did that. "I love my mom, I'm okay, my mom's ghost is here and I'm humbled, and now I'm gonna be acting, singing, and dancing!"

Uh huh. The Houston family has that killer spirit, for sure! Reminds me of that footage of Destiny's Child and one of them falls down and the other 2 glance at her and keep on movin'. Keep on movin', BK...

[Edited 3/23/12 12:18pm]

What?? link please. Is it on youtube??

petes2 said:

Musicslave said:

Yeah, I too was kind of looking for a little more from her. I mean, Oprah did say she (Bobbi) wanted to tell the real story about her mother and dispel myths.

fuck that, it's taking advantage, just like she did with the Jackson kids. Inexcusable and in my mind just despicable. 3 weeks? Putting this shit out to the whole world, bringing more scrutiny to a life that is already off track. People need time to be left the fuck alone when a parent dies, not comforted, not consoled, not talked to, left the fuck alone. But people are stupid, when my ma died, in the hospital room, i wanted nothing more than to just be alone, 3 or 4 of the staff came in every few minutes asking if I was alright, god I swear people are just plain stupid. Hell, for two months after she died I was ready to punch people out if they gave me a hard time, and I'm a grown middle aged man, Oprah should get some karma for some of this shit, she's rotten to the core. How desperate for ratings and money could this multi-million if not billionaire need? It's not the money though it's ego and vanity.

I believe the OW show offered an open invitation to the Houston family during the funeral time along the lines "if there is anything I can do for you". after a period of mourning BK (with aunt pat urging) contacted OW. if OW did not offer it would have been someone else. Even if Whitney had money to will to BK there maybe a cash flow problem due to filing the will in probate court and all the legalities with that whole process. In the meantime BK is broke and now have bills to pay. It was a responsible thing to do (interviewing with oprah) if this was the case.

petes2 said:

With Bruce, he ate cannabis to relax, being the high strung guy that he was under tremendous stress from fame. He had an episode several weeks before he died, he had a seizure, almost died then. The doctors found that he had been eating cannabis leaves from Nepal and they warned him that the next time he did it he could die. It wasn't an OD as such but a reaction to an alkali in the leaves which caused his brain to swell and he died. The official cause of the pain pill was just to save face and to help his family collect on a life insurance policy. He was far from a junkie or anything and therefore, no one wanted a taint like that on his legacy. As hard as this is to believe for people, the evidence is out there, his own personal doctor who was American says this. His wife still sticks to the "official" story as do many other people.

I'm not swallowing this Kool-Aid.

SUPRMAN said:

petes2 said:

With Bruce, he ate cannabis to relax, being the high strung guy that he was under tremendous stress from fame. He had an episode several weeks before he died, he had a seizure, almost died then. The doctors found that he had been eating cannabis leaves from Nepal and they warned him that the next time he did it he could die. It wasn't an OD as such but a reaction to an alkali in the leaves which caused his brain to swell and he died. The official cause of the pain pill was just to save face and to help his family collect on a life insurance policy. He was far from a junkie or anything and therefore, no one wanted a taint like that on his legacy. As hard as this is to believe for people, the evidence is out there, his own personal doctor who was American says this. His wife still sticks to the "official" story as do many other people.

I'm not swallowing this Kool-Aid.

look it up, it's always the potsmokers who can't handle that story.

prodigalfan said:

Spinlight said:

YOu may be right on the former, but I really do feel its the latter.

That interview didn't shed any light on Whitney as a person. All BK talked about was that she's getting through it (good!) and that Whitney's ghost is haunting their home and BK is humbled.

Now if that doesn't sound like a sing for your supper, I dunno what does. If my mom just died from a coke-related drowning, the first thing I'd do is dispel actual rumors. BK never did that. "I love my mom, I'm okay, my mom's ghost is here and I'm humbled, and now I'm gonna be acting, singing, and dancing!"

Uh huh. The Houston family has that killer spirit, for sure! Reminds me of that footage of Destiny's Child and one of them falls down and the other 2 glance at her and keep on movin'. Keep on movin', BK...

[Edited 3/23/12 12:18pm]

What?? link please. Is it on youtube??

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

What?? link please. Is it on youtube??

They gave her the death stare too.

Thank you for taking the timeto write this. I agree with you. The timeline is all wrong. Have the police accounted for the issues with the timeline. Did they ignore them?

RnBAmbassador said:

The reality is that there are things that suggest something is not right. The 'crime' scene was contaminated by the fact that Mary Jones moved her dead body from the tub, where Ms. Houston was face down and nude. If Ms. Jones told the truth, then Ms. Houston was bent over in the tub face submerged.

Upon finding her according to Ms. Jones she screamed for Ray (the bodyguard and Marion (Pat) Houston's brother) to come help her. He was allegedly in his hotel room across from room 434 (Ms. Houston's room).

The hairdresser Tiffany Dixon claims she arrived at 3:30PM PCT and saw the scene on the bathroom floor and started screaming and crying.

Times are off somehow. Cissy Houston claims she talked with her daughter on the phone at 3:15PM PCT. Phone records would clear this up. Pat Houston and Mary Jones left the hotel for an off property errand that supposedly occurred between 3:00PM and 3:30PM. Ms. Jones had allegedly laid Ms, Houston's dress on the bed before going on the errand with Mrs. Houston (Pat).

As Mary Jones and Ray worked on Whitney Houston on the bathroom floor, she was moved to the bedroom floor to no avail, The medical examiner said her head had been underwater for 30 minutes - so timetable is off.

At 3:43PM PCT the authorities were called. We have to backup and consider what the music industry guest in room 534 told police - she heard two loud thumps/boomps at 3:30PMPCT followed by a man's very loud voice. The reason she remembers so well according to her statement to police is because she was sleep and it jolted her and she raised up and looked at the clock.

Pat Houston arrived on the 4th floor from the 3rd floor (where her room was) and saw Tiffany hysterical as she was walking down the hall. A hotel guest stuck her head out and asked if everything was okay, and Pat says, "Call 911". Where was her cell phone? She slowed her walk to the drama scene. The paramedics arrived at 3:45PM PCT. All of this is documented, but the timetables do not make sense.

Too many things happened at 3:30PM PCT and they do not gel.

The 911 call at 3:43PM PCT and the medical people calling her death officially at 3:55PM PCT are the only things certain. Medical examiner said she was dead at 3:00PM PCT. I can't shake Pat Houston saying we don't know how she got in the bathroom.

I know 30 years of heavy cigarette smoking, marijuana smoking, cocoaine and drinking has an effect on the heart - but that day Feb. 11th has some oddities in timetables.

Who gave her the coke and weed? Who got rid of it? Mary Jones, Ray Walton, Tiffany Dixon and Pat Houston seem to me to have more info thna they are giving up.

Also Bobbi Khristina had already gone to the 4th fllor room where her mom was to film the video for Pat Houston's scented candles. What time did she leave room #424 to go to the other room. Why did Pat say somebody call Gary, was there something wrong with her cell phone that day that she didn't return Whitney's calls or call 911 or call her husband?

RodeoSchro said:

So she got high, passed out, and drowned, right?

Or got high, fell and hit her head, and landed in the bathtub and drowned?

Whatever, she must have been so high when she sunk underwater that the survival instinct never had a chance.

[Edited 3/23/12 15:15pm]

Thanks for taking the time yo write this out. I think the timeline is all wrong. Does the police even address the discrepancies.

^ Nah all that stuff about WHAT TIME Whitney called and all that came from TMZ, it wasn't in official documents. It was all from TMZ, that can explain why it hadn't been investigated. Same thing with Roger Friedman's accusations.

petes2 said:

SUPRMAN said:

I'm not swallowing this Kool-Aid.

look it up, it's always the potsmokers who can't handle that story.

Well if this story is circulating, the insurance company has a complaint for fraud if it paid on the policy. Where is that part of the story?

Are there any other cases of such a reaction? Plenty of people injest marijuana through means other than smoking. I haven't heard of anyone having a fatal reaction from injesting marijuana.

Apparently Bruce Lee hasn't yet made the medical literature either.

What is the lethal dose of marijuana?

According to which US Government authority you want to believe, the lethal dose of marijuana is either about one-third your body weight, or about 1,500 pounds, consumed all at once.

In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals but did produce fatalities in smaller rodents due to profound central nervous system depression.

The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.

Thus, evidence from animal studies and human case reports appears to indicate that the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose is quite large. This ratio is much more favorable than that of many other common psychoactive agents including alcohol and barbiturates (Phillips et al. 1971, Brill et al. 1970).

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

http://druglibrary.org/sc...erdose.htm

So, you were saying about what potsmokers can or can't handle?

Maybe a toke or two would free your mind to think.

[Edited 3/25/12 10:35am]

petes2 said:

SUPRMAN said:

I'm not swallowing this Kool-Aid.

look it up, it's always the potsmokers who can't handle that story.

For future reference- I am the LAST person on the Org. that you want to say that to.

You obviously don't visit P&R.

SUPRMAN said:

petes2 said:

look it up, it's always the potsmokers who can't handle that story.

For future reference- I am the LAST person on the Org. that you want to say that to.

You obviously don't visit P&R.

Look it up.

smoothcriminal12 said:

SUPRMAN said:

For future reference- I am the LAST person on the Org. that you want to say that to.

You obviously don't visit P&R.

Look it up.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Look it up.

SUPRMAN said:

petes2 said:

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

http://druglibrary.org/sc...erdose.htm

So, you were saying about what potsmokers can or can't handle?

Maybe a toke or two would free your mind to think.

[Edited 3/25/12 10:35am]

I keep saying it wasn't an overdose, it was an allegic reaction both of Bruce's physicians believe that it was the cannabis and that people in Nepal who chewed the leaves had a similar reaction to this strain of cannabis. So are you a pothead? I'm not pro/con on the issue, I really think pot is about the mildest thing out there but personally I wouldn't touch it. The friends I have get really lazy and sloppy when they do it. That's their choice but I don't want any of it. The world is too competitive to take on anymore addictions than I already have. I think whatever happened to bruce was freakish and very unlikely but it did happen. He had a pain pill and cannabis in his system at the time of death. Previously, he'd almost died and was warned off the cannabis, but like a good addict, I'm sure he denied that it was the cannabis.

I'm actually surprised a "health nut" like Bruce would have weed in his system. That kinda shocked me... but maybe he ate it because he felt his symptoms would go away idk...

Timmy84 said:

I'm actually surprised a "health nut" like Bruce would have weed in his system. That kinda shocked me... but maybe he ate it because he felt his symptoms would go away idk...

ya, when I first heard he did the stuff(long before I heard it was a cause of death) I was dissapointed but it was true. Bruce was a high strung guy and he really needed to chill somehow.

oh yeah, and ironically, he ate the leaves because smoking it was bad for his lungs. He'd have been much better off smoking the stuff.

petes2 said:

SUPRMAN said:

I keep saying it wasn't an overdose, it was an allegic reaction both of Bruce's physicians believe that it was the cannabis and that people in Nepal who chewed the leaves had a similar reaction to this strain of cannabis. So are you a pothead? I'm not pro/con on the issue, I really think pot is about the mildest thing out there but personally I wouldn't touch it. The friends I have get really lazy and sloppy when they do it. That's their choice but I don't want any of it. The world is too competitive to take on anymore addictions than I already have. I think whatever happened to bruce was freakish and very unlikely but it did happen. He had a pain pill and cannabis in his system at the time of death. Previously, he'd almost died and was warned off the cannabis, but like a good addict, I'm sure he denied that it was the cannabis.

"There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality."

Is that referring to just addiction? Doesn't read that way.

I take it you can't provide a source documenting that theory as a cause of death?

SUPRMAN said:

petes2 said:

I keep saying it wasn't an overdose, it was an allegic reaction both of Bruce's physicians believe that it was the cannabis and that people in Nepal who chewed the leaves had a similar reaction to this strain of cannabis. So are you a pothead? I'm not pro/con on the issue, I really think pot is about the mildest thing out there but personally I wouldn't touch it. The friends I have get really lazy and sloppy when they do it. That's their choice but I don't want any of it. The world is too competitive to take on anymore addictions than I already have. I think whatever happened to bruce was freakish and very unlikely but it did happen. He had a pain pill and cannabis in his system at the time of death. Previously, he'd almost died and was warned off the cannabis, but like a good addict, I'm sure he denied that it was the cannabis.

"There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality."

Is that referring to just addiction? Doesn't read that way.

I take it you can't provide a source documenting that theory as a cause of death?

Look it up. Like I said. Something killed bruce they've officially said it was an allergic reaction to equagesic which is pretty unlikely too. I guess there will always be some debate of the cause, some idiots belive he was given a "death touch" either way he's just as dead.

petes2 said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm actually surprised a "health nut" like Bruce would have weed in his system. That kinda shocked me... but maybe he ate it because he felt his symptoms would go away idk...

ya, when I first heard he did the stuff(long before I heard it was a cause of death) I was dissapointed but it was true. Bruce was a high strung guy and he really needed to chill somehow.

Here is the source of your story apparently, which contains no substantiated information:

http://www.rollitup.org/p...illed.html

Response to that:

Bruce Lee's death was officially attributed to cerebral edema.

On July 20, 1973, Lee was in Hong Kong, due to have dinner with former James Bond star George Lazenby, with whom he intended to make a film. According to Lee's wife Linda, Lee met producer Raymond Chow at 2 P.M. at home to discuss the making of the movie Game of Death. They worked until 4 P.M. and then drove together to the home of Lee's mistress Betty Ting Pei, a Taiwanese actress who was to have a leading role in the film. The three went over the script at her home, and then Chow left to attend a dinner meeting.

A short time later, Lee complained of a headache, and Ting Pei gave him an analgesic. At around 7:30 P.M., he lay down for a nap. After Lee did not turn up for the dinner, Chow came to the apartment but could not wake Lee up. A doctor was summoned, who spent ten minutes attempting to revive him before sending him by ambulance to Queen Elizabeth Hospital. However, Lee was dead by the time he reached the hospital. There was no visible external injury; however, his brain had swollen considerably, from 1,400 to 1,575 grams (13%). Lee was thirty-two years old. On October 15, 2005, Chow stated in an interview that Lee was allergic to Equagesic. When the doctors announced Bruce Lee's death officially, it was coined as "Death by Misadventure."

However, the exact details of Lee's death are controversial. Bruce Lee's iconic status and unusual death at a young age led many people to develop many theories about Lee's death, such as a murder involving Triads, gangsters, ninjas, and so on — none of these have ever been proven.

http://answers.yahoo.com/...216AA3wa7o

petes2 said:

SUPRMAN said:

"There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality."

Is that referring to just addiction? Doesn't read that way.

I take it you can't provide a source documenting that theory as a cause of death?

Look it up. Like I said. Something killed bruce they've officially said it was an allergic reaction to equagesic which is pretty unlikely too. I guess there will always be some debate of the cause, some idiots belive he was given a "death touch" either way he's just as dead.

You were attributing it to injesting cannabis. I just wanted to show that wasn't possible.

Where I first heard it was in the book Fighting Spirit where they interviewed his personal doctor who was an american, from there it honestly looks like a very, very good possibility especially considering he'd almost died before that and the only thing they could find was that he had eaten cannabis then too. The official cause was the pain pill but he had a headache before taking the pill. It just makes more sense to me and the two doctors who were there that it was Cannabis. I think for the sake of his legacy it sounds a lot better to say it was a fluke death due to a pain pill than to say it was a fluke death due to cannabis. Something went wrong with a human in his prime here there is no doubt about that.

petes2 said:

Where I first heard it was in the book Fighting Spirit where they interviewed his personal doctor who was an american, from there it honestly looks like a very, very good possibility especially considering he'd almost died before that and the only thing they could find was that he had eaten cannabis then too. The official cause was the pain pill but he had a headache before taking the pill. It just makes more sense to me and the two doctors who were there that it was Cannabis. I think for the sake of his legacy it sounds a lot better to say it was a fluke death due to a pain pill than to say it was a fluke death due to cannabis. Something went wrong with a human in his prime here there is no doubt about that.

"There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality."

This really isn't getting any airplay is it?

Cannabis did not kill him! It was not a factor in his death. As in Whitney's case it was merely noted to be present. It was not a factor in either death.

There is enough out there that you think the medical profession would jump on such a medical anomaly.

Someone casually gave him a pain relief medication that he was allergic to. Painful way to die. You black out from the pain.

there was no painpill with the first incident in which he passed out, went into seizures. Now, what else could it have been other than perhaps just extreme stress. For sure, the pill or marijuana would be very unlikely culprits but he died somehow. I happen to think the docs are right. Not to say it's common or any of that, but I think it happened here.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Look it up.

petes2 said:

For the most part, your right with the cause of Bruce Lee's death. They tried covering up the real cause of death from the public because of who he was. However, I dont think he consumed the Cannibis because he was addicted to it. I heard it was to help with his traning. He was a workaholic and always conscious about his health. He was not eating much and he had no body fat on him (which is not good with the amount of cannibis he consumed) He almost died from it before. His doctor warned him about it but he still continued to consume it.. your pretty much right about everything. I researched it heavily a few months back after watching The Dragon: Bruce Lee movie. His life is so inspiring and he seemed like a very sweet, open and fun person. Its sad because he passed soo young.