Timmy84 said:

^ Why did Oprah acted relieved that her part of the interview with Krissy ended? Almost like she was spooked by Pat.

Pat just weirds me out in general. Always has that concerned, angry, "Fuck outta here" look on her face. Even in the pics with Whitney at the club, she has that snarl on. I don't know Pat personally, maybe she has some kind of illness or something that makes her put on a stank face.

Spinlight said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Why did Oprah acted relieved that her part of the interview with Krissy ended? Almost like she was spooked by Pat.

Pat just weirds me out in general. Always has that concerned, angry, "Fuck outta here" look on her face. Even in the pics with Whitney at the club, she has that snarl on. I don't know Pat personally, maybe she has some kind of illness or something that makes her put on a stank face.

Well she did admit she was angry the night she left with Whitney after the club...

Timmy84 said:

Spinlight said:

Pat just weirds me out in general. Always has that concerned, angry, "Fuck outta here" look on her face. Even in the pics with Whitney at the club, she has that snarl on. I don't know Pat personally, maybe she has some kind of illness or something that makes her put on a stank face.

Well she did admit she was angry the night she left with Whitney after the club...

I just watched that Leolah interview now. Cracks me up. She has some stones on her. I dunno if I believe all of it, but it strikes me as very hard to believe that Pat didn't know Whitney was coked up. If you've ever been around a coked up person, they are not ones to hide their addiction. You can know, right away, when someone is on cocaine. And Whitney was a high energy person anyway - coke just amplifies that and you begin to act almost psychotic in a way.

But no, of course Pat didn't know that. Of course it was normal Whitney. What? She's known this woman for 20 years and she didn't know she was on cocaine, muscle relaxers, Xanax..... All at one time? AND getting drunk at the club? Side eye for days.

The reality is that there are things that suggest something is not right. The 'crime' scene was contaminated by the fact that Mary Jones moved her dead body from the tub, where Ms. Houston was face down and nude. If Ms. Jones told the truth, then Ms. Houston was bent over in the tub face submerged.

Upon finding her according to Ms. Jones she screamed for Ray (the bodyguard and Marion (Pat) Houston's brother) to come help her. He was allegedly in his hotel room across from room 434 (Ms. Houston's room).

The hairdresser Tiffany Dixon claims she arrived at 3:30PM PCT and saw the scene on the bathroom floor and started screaming and crying.

Times are off somehow. Cissy Houston claims she talked with her daughter on the phone at 3:15PM PCT. Phone records would clear this up. Pat Houston and Mary Jones left the hotel for an off property errand that supposedly occurred between 3:00PM and 3:30PM. Ms. Jones had allegedly laid Ms, Houston's dress on the bed before going on the errand with Mrs. Houston (Pat).

As Mary Jones and Ray worked on Whitney Houston on the bathroom floor, she was moved to the bedroom floor to no avail, The medical examiner said her head had been underwater for 30 minutes - so timetable is off.

At 3:43PM PCT the authorities were called. We have to backup and consider what the music industry guest in room 534 told police - she heard two loud thumps/boomps at 3:30PMPCT followed by a man's very loud voice. The reason she remembers so well according to her statement to police is because she was sleep and it jolted her and she raised up and looked at the clock.

Pat Houston arrived on the 4th floor from the 3rd floor (where her room was) and saw Tiffany hysterical as she was walking down the hall. A hotel guest stuck her head out and asked if everything was okay, and Pat says, "Call 911". Where was her cell phone? She slowed her walk to the drama scene. The paramedics arrived at 3:45PM PCT. All of this is documented, but the timetables do not make sense.

Too many things happened at 3:30PM PCT and they do not gel.

The 911 call at 3:43PM PCT and the medical people calling her death officially at 3:55PM PCT are the only things certain. Medical examiner said she was dead at 3:00PM PCT. I can't shake Pat Houston saying we don't know how she got in the bathroom.

I know 30 years of heavy cigarette smoking, marijuana smoking, cocoaine and drinking has an effect on the heart - but that day Feb. 11th has some oddities in timetables.

Who gave her the coke and weed? Who got rid of it? Mary Jones, Ray Walton, Tiffany Dixon and Pat Houston seem to me to have more info thna they are giving up.

Also Bobbi Khristina had already gone to the 4th fllor room where her mom was to film the video for Pat Houston's scented candles. What time did she leave room #424 to go to the other room. Why did Pat say somebody call Gary, was there something wrong with her cell phone that day that she didn't return Whitney's calls or call 911 or call her husband?

RodeoSchro said:

So she got high, passed out, and drowned, right?

Or got high, fell and hit her head, and landed in the bathtub and drowned?

Whatever, she must have been so high when she sunk underwater that the survival instinct never had a chance.

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Spinlight said:

Timmy84 said:

Well she did admit she was angry the night she left with Whitney after the club...

I just watched that Leolah interview now. Cracks me up. She has some stones on her. I dunno if I believe all of it, but it strikes me as very hard to believe that Pat didn't know Whitney was coked up. If you've ever been around a coked up person, they are not ones to hide their addiction. You can know, right away, when someone is on cocaine. And Whitney was a high energy person anyway - coke just amplifies that and you begin to act almost psychotic in a way.

But no, of course Pat didn't know that. Of course it was normal Whitney. What? She's known this woman for 20 years and she didn't know she was on cocaine, muscle relaxers, Xanax..... All at one time? AND getting drunk at the club? Side eye for days.

Exactly.

Spinlight said:

TD3 said:

Some of the comments here have been funny to ridiculous. Whitney Houston's family is damn if they did damn if they didn't. As I mentioned in the other thread, some of the people who bitched about her family giving an interview in the first place, would continue to bitch because they didn't hear what they wanted her family to say. Good grief, let it go!!! Less try this on for size, very few people probably knew Ms. Houston very well besides her ex-husband, close family, or friends. No amount of storytelling or anecdotes are going to give you the "true essences" of who Houston is and was; most human beings can be rather complex. Who does anyone really know... except thyself?

Whatever you are going to believe no amount of storytelling is going to change your minds. If you thought Houston was a ghetto crack head sista, that's what you're going to think. If you thought her ex-husband was solely responsible for her down fall and turned her out, that's what you're going to think. If you thought she was this amazing gifted artist with a good heart and got caught up in the music lifestyle, that's what you're going to think. If you think the family are a bunch of leeches who are trying to pimp her in death as they did in life, that's what you're going to think. If think Oprah paid for an interview some way somehow... they could all deny it until pigs fly and you still think what you want to think. Did Oprah do the interview for ratings to boost her tired ass network, she probably did? Happy?

Mother Houston lost her daughter, Bobbi Christiana lost her mother, and her brothers lost a sister. Everybody Some think they are owed an explanation or think her family should act in a certain way and when they don't people pounce on that. Maybe that's what drove Houston to drugs and to her grave... US.

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The whole fact you posted this at all lends to why they would do an interview and why we should be able to discuss the content of the interview. Some people take issue with the timing or whatever. I don't believe anyone involved was snookered. They all know what they went into. And you can smell it all over the place. If they didn't feel the interview was going to be criticized to some degree, then they are oblivious.

I don't think it would've made a bit of difference if Houston's family had remained silent or grant an interview 5 years from now; people would've been talkin' shit about Ms. Houston, her brother, her sistere-in-law, and Bobbby Kristina... for whom known of use know.

All I'm saying is, maybe we need get over ourselves and listen and have a shred of empathy for what Houston's family is going through and saying... instead of nit picking over every word and twisting it to whatever motive we want it to support.

^ Eh, the only members of that family I feel for is Cissy, Dionne and Krissy. Everyone else? Nah.

Timmy84 said:

^ Eh, the only members of that family I feel for is Cissy, Dionne and Krissy. Everyone else? Nah.

You surprise me.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Eh, the only members of that family I feel for is Cissy, Dionne and Krissy. Everyone else? Nah.

You surprise me.

Of all that I post, you surprised by that?

TD3 said:

Spinlight said:

The whole fact you posted this at all lends to why they would do an interview and why we should be able to discuss the content of the interview. Some people take issue with the timing or whatever. I don't believe anyone involved was snookered. They all know what they went into. And you can smell it all over the place. If they didn't feel the interview was going to be criticized to some degree, then they are oblivious.

I don't think it would've made a bit of difference if Houston's family had remained silent or grant an interview 5 years from now; people would've been talkin' shit about Ms. Houston, her brother, her sistere-in-law, and Bobbby Kristina... for whom known of use know.

All I'm saying is, maybe we need get over ourselves and listen and have a shred of empathy for what Houston's family is going through and saying... instead of nit picking over every word and twisting it to whatever motive we want it to support.

Those discussing the issue right *now* have always shown respect and legitimate concern for Whitney and them all. I certainly understand how Pat feels as far as losing a sibling/peer-type person. I presume she felt a certain kinship with her sister in law.

It's just interesting to note the weirdness of the interview. Whatever they do before or after the interivew is what it is. But when the interview itself, the only public glimpse there is should there be a need for one, appears to be very... odd, even taking into account how recent it was that she died... I dunno, it bears examination.

I wish them all the very best. And hopefully Pat can help bring this estate to greater success??

^ Hmm... how about those candles?

Pat's actions on Oprah was still weird as hell...

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

You surprise me.

Of all that I post, you surprised by that?

yes.

Timmy84 said:

^ Hmm... how about those candles?

Pat's actions on Oprah was still weird as hell...

How many times did she mention those candles with Oprah? She spoke about them trying to do an infomercial at the hotel. She did half of one with Oprah, all they needed was the 800 number. Thank God she didn't mention those candles in the eulogy.

MadamGoodnight said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Hmm... how about those candles?

Pat's actions on Oprah was still weird as hell...

How many times did she mention those candles with Oprah? She spoke about them trying to do an infomercial at the hotel. She did half of one with Oprah, all they needed was the 800 number. Thank God she didn't mention those candles in the eulogy.

That would've been real lowdown if she did that... By the way, talk about an overworked schedule, got damn! She had the alleged candles ad, then she was going to do an interview about Brandy (from the VH-1 producer who was interviewed the Monday afterwards), then she was going to attend the party (it's not clear if she was gonna perform or not). While I don't think Pat schemes anymore, I still don't feel an ounce of pity for her or Gary because I think for their alleged actions, they should've done more for Whitney. Yes Whitney was a grown ass woman but it doesn't mean that someone's client should've been allowed to run wild in the days leading up to her death especially considering Whitney's heart condition. The girl needed a break.

Timmy84 said:

MadamGoodnight said:

How many times did she mention those candles with Oprah? She spoke about them trying to do an infomercial at the hotel. She did half of one with Oprah, all they needed was the 800 number. Thank God she didn't mention those candles in the eulogy.

That would've been real lowdown if she did that... By the way, talk about an overworked schedule, got damn! She had the alleged candles ad, then she was going to do an interview about Brandy (from the VH-1 producer who was interviewed the Monday afterwards), then she was going to attend the party (it's not clear if she was gonna perform or not). While I don't think Pat schemes anymore, I still don't feel an ounce of pity for her or Gary because I think for their alleged actions, they should've done more for Whitney. Yes Whitney was a grown ass woman but it doesn't mean that someone's client should've been allowed to run wild in the days leading up to her death especially considering Whitney's heart condition. The girl needed a break.

I agree to a point since pat was always with her she should have intervene more(we don't know how much she was doing though) BUT you can't tell grown people what to do. Sometimes it's just not enough and that person has to decide to get the help. It's all just hearsay though..I don't know it's sad.

Timmy84 said:

MadamGoodnight said:

How many times did she mention those candles with Oprah? She spoke about them trying to do an infomercial at the hotel. She did half of one with Oprah, all they needed was the 800 number. Thank God she didn't mention those candles in the eulogy.

That would've been real lowdown if she did that... By the way, talk about an overworked schedule, got damn! She had the alleged candles ad, then she was going to do an interview about Brandy (from the VH-1 producer who was interviewed the Monday afterwards), then she was going to attend the party (it's not clear if she was gonna perform or not). While I don't think Pat schemes anymore, I still don't feel an ounce of pity for her or Gary because I think for their alleged actions, they should've done more for Whitney. Yes Whitney was a grown ass woman but it doesn't mean that someone's client should've been allowed to run wild in the days leading up to her death especially considering Whitney's heart condition. The girl needed a break.

True, that was going to be a crazy schedule for that day and evening. That was a lot!

More thoughts on this interview. I understand people wanting to promote themselves, but there is a time and a place for that. That was not the time, nor the place. Pat and Gary's daughter played the piano while they sang, & her candles were everywhere. It was just a weird vibe to the whole thing. Sell your goods and services some other time please. I had a discussion with someone about this interview. The person told me they thought Bobbi Kris should hook up with Pat's daughter & do some music. I'm thinking, that's what people remember from the interview. Okay then. Very telling.

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babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

That would've been real lowdown if she did that... By the way, talk about an overworked schedule, got damn! She had the alleged candles ad, then she was going to do an interview about Brandy (from the VH-1 producer who was interviewed the Monday afterwards), then she was going to attend the party (it's not clear if she was gonna perform or not). While I don't think Pat schemes anymore, I still don't feel an ounce of pity for her or Gary because I think for their alleged actions, they should've done more for Whitney. Yes Whitney was a grown ass woman but it doesn't mean that someone's client should've been allowed to run wild in the days leading up to her death especially considering Whitney's heart condition. The girl needed a break.

I agree to a point since pat was always with her she should have intervene more(we don't know how much she was doing though) BUT you can't tell grown people what to do. Sometimes it's just not enough and that person has to decide to get the help. It's all just hearsay though..I don't know it's sad.

Yeah I feel you. It's just fucking sad. I didn't wanna sound heartless but God...

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

I agree to a point since pat was always with her she should have intervene more(we don't know how much she was doing though) BUT you can't tell grown people what to do. Sometimes it's just not enough and that person has to decide to get the help. It's all just hearsay though..I don't know it's sad.

Yeah I feel you. It's just fucking sad. I didn't wanna sound heartless but God...

Yeah I know it's tragic.

HotGritz said:

toots said:

ok ill try to explain this.. add depression + stress +public image+ the many factors of being a celebrity ur expected to live up to + plu s th e constant use of alchohol and drugs ...noone plans to commit suicide if they wanna actually do it it usually a spur of the moment decision

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I realize that but you are forgetting one fundamental fact. Whitney was a Christian and church girl and suicide still holds great stigma among many religious folk be you christian, jew or muslim. The depression, stress, public image etc have been experienced by many drug addicted celebs and they don't as a general rule commit suicide. There are signs to look for and that's why we have suicide prevention programs today. Again, her behavior before her death does not speak to an intent to end her life. Sorry but it just doesn't.

ur forgetting a important fact suicide has NO religion nor race creed etc etc. Drugs have no religion bias either BOTH was found in her system and had lasting effect rather over the counter or doctor prescribed..siuicide CAN be a split decision among whoever decides to follow through rather she partook in a prevention program or not .. that is YOUR opinion not mine .. i think it was a drug induced suicide with th e drugs already IN her system.

toots said:

HotGritz said:

I realize that but you are forgetting one fundamental fact. Whitney was a Christian and church girl and suicide still holds great stigma among many religious folk be you christian, jew or muslim. The depression, stress, public image etc have been experienced by many drug addicted celebs and they don't as a general rule commit suicide. There are signs to look for and that's why we have suicide prevention programs today. Again, her behavior before her death does not speak to an intent to end her life. Sorry but it just doesn't.

ur forgetting a important fact suicide has NO religion nor race creed etc etc. Drugs have no religion bias either BOTH was found in her system and had lasting effect rather over the counter or doctor prescribed..siuicide CAN be a split decision among whoever decides to follow through rather she partook in a prevention program or not .. that is YOUR opinion not mine .. i think it was a drug induced suicide with th e drugs already IN her system.

How does one do that exactly? She didn't overdose on any of the medication/drugs found in her system. She could have simply taken a handful with alcohol to commit suicide. She wasn't expecting to die that day.

Being self-destructive isn't necessarily suicidal. It may seem to be taking the scenic route to get there but someone being self-destructive is punishing themselves, not attempting suicide.

SUPRMAN said:

toots said:

ur forgetting a important fact suicide has NO religion nor race creed etc etc. Drugs have no religion bias either BOTH was found in her system and had lasting effect rather over the counter or doctor prescribed..siuicide CAN be a split decision among whoever decides to follow through rather she partook in a prevention program or not .. that is YOUR opinion not mine .. i think it was a drug induced suicide with th e drugs already IN her system.

How does one do that exactly? She didn't overdose on any of the medication/drugs found in her system. She could have simply taken a handful with alcohol to commit suicide. She wasn't expecting to die that day.

Being self-destructive isn't necessarily suicidal. It may seem to be taking the scenic route to get there but someone being self-destructive is punishing themselves, not attempting suicide.

I've always believed it's possible for self-destructive people to be so latently suicidal that they are consciously unaware of the risks they take. I've known guys who kept getting into car wrecks and I've always believed they had a death instinct but wouldn't consciously do it. You know, with Marvin Gaye, being as religious as he was, has been said to put his father in a position to kill him because he didn't have the heart to do it himself. His dying words according to his brother were along the lines of "it's better this way". Smoking, drinking, drugging may not be as deliberate as taking a pistol and putting it to your head but I'd say the raw subconscious material which is to favor death and self-loathing over life is the same.

im surprised no one on the anti-weed org is blaming the weed for her death

badujunkie said:

im surprised no one on the anti-weed org is blaming the weed for her death

As far as I know weed by itself never killed anyone (excluding possible cancer caused by smoking. etc.)

badujunkie said:

im surprised no one on the anti-weed org is blaming the weed for her death

That's because even anti-weed folks know that weed don't kill you... never did. Unless it contributes to cancer of course (which it does due to how much smoking you do with it).

purplethunder3121 said:

badujunkie said:

im surprised no one on the anti-weed org is blaming the weed for her death

As far as I know weed by itself never killed anyone (excluding possible cancer caused by smoking. etc.)

Yup. Science is still searching for that weed head who overdosed . . . . .

Overdosing on marijuana is known to cause intense lethargy and napping or excitement and the need to keep eating without thinking.

You only get so high on marijuana and will lose interest in continuing until you starting coming off the high which could be several hours later.

There are people who smoke every day starting when they wake up. They still can only smoke so much.

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Thats cause you forget to keep smoking.

SUPRMAN said:

purplethunder3121 said:

As far as I know weed by itself never killed anyone (excluding possible cancer caused by smoking. etc.)

Yup. Science is still searching for that weed head who overdosed . . . . .

Overdosing on marijuana is known to cause intense lethargy and napping or excitement and the need to keep eating without thinking.

You only get so high on marijuana and will lose interest in continuing until you starting coming off the high which could be several hours later.

There are people who smoke every day starting when they wake up. They still can only smoke so much.

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Lethargy, napping, and increased hunger and excitement are symptoms of any amount of weed. Depending on if you are smoking an indica strain (sleepy/hungry), or sativa (excitable, paranoid).

You can certainly overdose on weed and it is not a fun experience. Wanna try it? Eat more than you should of the edibles. You'll be on an hours-long rollercoaster.

But death? No.

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Spinlight said:

SUPRMAN said:

Yup. Science is still searching for that weed head who overdosed . . . . .

Overdosing on marijuana is known to cause intense lethargy and napping or excitement and the need to keep eating without thinking.

You only get so high on marijuana and will lose interest in continuing until you starting coming off the high which could be several hours later.

There are people who smoke every day starting when they wake up. They still can only smoke so much.

[Edited 3/24/12 16:52pm]

Lethargy, napping, and increased hunger and excitement are symptoms of any amount of weed. Depending on if you are smoking an indica strain (sleepy/hungry), or sativa (excitable, paranoid).

You can certainly overdose on weed and it is not a fun experience. Wanna try it? Eat more than you should of the edibles. You'll be on an hours-long rollercoaster.

But death? No.

[Edited 3/24/12 19:21pm]

petes2 said:

Spinlight said:

Lethargy, napping, and increased hunger and excitement are symptoms of any amount of weed. Depending on if you are smoking an indica strain (sleepy/hungry), or sativa (excitable, paranoid).

You can certainly overdose on weed and it is not a fun experience. Wanna try it? Eat more than you should of the edibles. You'll be on an hours-long rollercoaster.

But death? No.

[Edited 3/24/12 19:21pm]

Bruce Lee's doctors warned him about the dangers of a Nepalese strain of MJ that he ate. He didn't listen. To this day, the heavy potheads I know claim it's impossible.

I believe it, about Bruce Lee. I puff on the daily and sometimes pop some edibles for funsies on special occasions or where I cant vape or smoke. I've certainly personally experienced at least 2 "overdose" type situations with edibles and I know of at least a few others who did the same.

Not fatal, obviously, but its very uh.... I guess the best way to describe it is "out of body." Reality is loosely strung together at that point.

But you eventually fall asleep. Heavy tokers usually don't believe the "overdose" possibility because as previously stated in the thread (and in other threads by me), by the time you get to the point where you are remotely close to overdosing on it, you are blazed as tittieballs. I usually know its time to pack it in when I fill a bowl of bud and then forget its there and wonder what I'm doing.

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