^I agree except for Tina Turner. I think she has mad soul. And Diana Ross just plain can't sing ![]() | |
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LMFAO @ you & Aisha's "d-cup" comment because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." | |
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Beyonce is soulful AND she can sing, she does make wack ass songs.
I think the dream is kinda right, but he also make that same wack ass pop songs. Untill the 90s you still had listenable pop songs that had that soul and r&b influence. Best example is MJ and Prince. Also other acts like SWV, TLC, Bobby Brown, Boyz 2 men and so on. All black artist that were in the top of the charts, so you can say they were pop artist. But u could always hear the soul/r&b influence. But nowadays that Electro 90s Euro shit, im not feeling it. | |
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you got some of your music online? very interested. | |
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Agreed Tina has tons of soul sang those songs with pure soul | |
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Tina is definitely a soul legend. | |
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I've got an album coming out soon. I'll tell you when. | |
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See response to DirtyChris. | |
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I will say that one thing for certain is that Love On top is a direct rip off of the 1987 hit "LIES" by South African r&b/jazz singer-guitarist Jonathan Butler. I hope home boy got paid. But then, knowing how the Knowles' have been known to operate, that may be wishful thinking. | |
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Can I hear it smooth? | |
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Genius. | |
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Ottensen said:
I will say that one thing for certain is that Love On top is a direct rip off of the 1987 hit "LIES" by South African r&b/jazz singer-guitarist Jonathan Butler. I hope home boy got paid. But then, knowing how the Knowles' have been known to operate, that may be wishful thinking. bm Are you serious? I should have known she didn't come up with such a good song. Do you have a link? | |
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Duffy can't sing for shit, sounds like a chipmunk in heat. D'Angelo is soulful, so is Chaka and a whole host of others. "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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![]() Beyonce better pay up!. | |
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Nope. It was a popular song back in my day and lord knows my mother wore that particular cd out, although these days I listen to Butler's jazz outings and religious music and have no idea where that cd is ( I eventually invested in my own copy
You can prolly find "Lies" on youtube though. | |
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Oh there's plenty of black artists that sing r&b and soul, but they are not being promoted heavily in the industry. You have Ledisi, Leelah James, and more that can sing the kind of soul from back in the day, but the industry isn't interested in pushing their type of sound. Now what you have are artists like Beyonce, Rihanna, singing mainstream pop-sounding tracks that are soul-less and sometimes instrumentally overproduced. | |
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I agree about D'Angelo. Yesterday I heard him on a radio station in the post office singing Smokey Robinson's 'Cruising' and his falsetto voice could have been mistaken for Prince, but yeah, D'Angelo is one of the few black male artists, that still has that soul thing going on.. | |
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The Dream, and our responses, shows four basic problems with this whole discussion.
1. If "soul" music doesn't get played on the radio, it does not exist. This whole line of discussion is based on a lazy premise. There are any number of artists out there making music in the "soul" or "rhythm and blues" traditions. They don't sell in the kinds of numbers that could get them on the radio, but they exist and are making music to fill that void. Saadiq, Ledisi, James, etc. We just don't look past the cable box or radio dial for them.
2. The definition of "soul music" needs expanding. Soul is "truth music." The more truthful and unfiltered the sound, the more soulful it is. This is why Adele is considered soulful and Beyonce, largely is not. And while a lot of artists are experimenting with new sounds, they're really expanding the soul tradition. Van Hunt, Bilal, Me'Shell, Aloe Blacc, Hawthorne, the list goes on.
3. The icons of modern soul are not nearly as prolific as their predecessors. There are a variety of reasons for this. True enough, an artist does not owe his/her audiences a certain amount of music. But some of the icons of the last 2 decades -- Maxwell, D'Angelo, Badu, Sade, Bilal, etc. -- take 3 years or more to between albums. Other stars in the making, like Lewis Taylor, dropped out altogether. Without bankable names making albums on a consistent basis, "soul" music is seen as endangered.
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Tina Turner has plenty of soul.... one of the greatest singers to convey real emotion. While she didnt necessarily sing "soul' she was soulful... | |
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There's really nothing else to say after this. Excellent commentary.
What I want to know is, why did artists such as Brandy and Usher and Kelly Rowland stop doing r&b and start doing pop/dance crap? Did Brandy suddenly stop loving r&b and start loving autotuned/synthy crap? I would be depressed if I was recording material in a genre that wasn't my true love.
The artists who truly love r&b are still doing it. Erykah, Jill, Maxwell, etc. "Keep in mind that I'm an artist...and I'm sensitive about my shit."--E. Badu | |
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for real, I knew when I didn't immediately switch the channel upon hearing her that something was up. I was listening to her, but hearing JB. "I know that living with u baby, was sometimes hard...but I'm willing 2 give it another try.
Cause nothing compares....nothing compares 2 u!" | |
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I KNOW
I was being sarcastic with that last statement.... Erykah, Ledsi etc make soul music... | |
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he's an exec at Def Jam now so he has a somewhat major role in this chaos lol | |
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Somewhat? | |
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Think about it. | |
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As a solo artist, except for some tracks on "Private Dancer", I would have to agree with you. But, go back and listen to a lot of the songs she recorded with Ike. Pure Soul! "It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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well I'm more than sure they won't leave him in charge of anything major so that's why I phrased it that way | |
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For real! When did he EVER make a soul record? I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. ![]() | |
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