smoothcriminal12 said:

This Christian rapper using "nigga" in his song?

I used to listen to a lot of Christian rap and over 50% had the word in it

doegx said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

This Christian rapper using "nigga" in his song?

I used to listen to a lot of Christian rap and over 50% had the word in it

Really? Damn. Talk about hypocrisy.

doegx said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

This Christian rapper using "nigga" in his song?

I used to listen to a lot of Christian rap and over 50% had the word in it

Thats why the old church folk dont want to bring that stuff in the church and dont accept it as real gospel.

doegx said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

This Christian rapper using "nigga" in his song?

I used to listen to a lot of Christian rap and over 50% had the word in it

Don't know why that doesn't surprise me...

the use of the N word is more of a cultural issue and the "complexities" attached to it, no matter how psuedo, is a conversation for another day but it seems like its use to many on this thread automatically disparages and discredits any "Christian" MC who uses it. the presumption it seems is that everyone feels the same about the word and any "spiritual" enlightenment (in this case being Christian) automatically and instantly leads to a cultural consciousness that would stop one from using the word. although i understand the presumption, its a presumption nonetheless and given where we are as a community, the continued use, even by someone like Bizzle of the N word is unfortunately understandable. christian hip hop has a continuum of artists and expressions just like any other genre, so for the curious or uninitiated, so even though i think he has skills and personally dislike his use of the N word, don't think Bizzle is representative of the entire genre.

Hmm...

datdude said:

the use of the N word is more of a cultural issue and the "complexities" attached to it, no matter how psuedo, is a conversation for another day but it seems like its use to many on this thread automatically disparages and discredits any "Christian" MC who uses it. the presumption it seems is that everyone feels the same about the word and any "spiritual" enlightenment (in this case being Christian) automatically and instantly leads to a cultural consciousness that would stop one from using the word. although i understand the presumption, its a presumption nonetheless and given where we are as a community, the continued use, even by someone like Bizzle of the N word is unfortunately understandable. christian hip hop has a continuum of artists and expressions just like any other genre, so for the curious or uninitiated, so even though i think he has skills and personally dislike his use of the N word, don't think Bizzle is representative of the entire genre.

The N word is not something that should be said period but if they are using it it is not something that should be put in their MUSIC because that reflects the message they are sending. Rapper or singer.. you cant talk down other artists who do things that you are doing yourself. While it may just seem like a word it does reflect alot more like you are implying. Not all Christian rappers use the N word but more use it than they should... Not a good look and when your rapping about God. I know for me it would be really hard for me to be convinced. Are you making music to sound cool or is this really about God?

I just think it has to do with the GENRE than anything. GOSPEL. It's one of the only genres where I don't think cursing of any type is acceptable. That's why B. Slade left the genre.

doegx said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

This Christian rapper using "nigga" in his song?

I used to listen to a lot of Christian rap and over 50% had the word in it

SAY WHA????

I'm Christian and never heard of this. Was this happening with independent artists? Because I can't see that happening with commercial church releases, Gospel labels or Gospel producers at all. My church is spearheading a recording project right now with an international association of churches and artists, and before one red Euro cent was cut, the lyrics of every song submitted for the compilation had to be reviewed and given approval for being scripturally correct and of sound doctrine---regardless of whether the song was Reggae, Country, Opera, Hip-Hop, Easy Listening, or whatever. That's odd to hear that kind of foulness is slipping through the cracks. There is no reason for that to ever be okay within a Gospel, Parise, or Worship context. EVER.

The Gospel Gangstaz who was working with Kirk Franklin in '98, their cd was full of "nigga this, nigga that" and I think they were on Kirk's label

u sort of echo my point Timmy in that everyone, Christian or otherwise do NOT feel the N word is profanity. which is part of the reason why its use endures. i have tremendous disdain for it but many take Q Tip's position from the song Sucka N**#a. many feel like its a term of "cultural disrespect" more so than PROFANITY. and again since we are far from where we need to be in knowing and understanding our history, ignorance remains, even in Christians (again spiritual and cultural enlightenment are NOT the same thing. and if you don't see it as a curse word, even as a Christian you MAY continue to use it).

i digress but I think B. Slade left gospel more so because of his struggles with his sexuality rather than wanting to use the N word freely

datdude said:

u sort of echo my point Timmy in that everyone, Christian or otherwise do NOT feel the N word is profanity. which is part of the reason why its use endures. i have tremendous disdain for it but many take Q Tip's position from the song Sucka N**#a. many feel like its a term of "cultural disrespect" more so than PROFANITY. and again since we are far from where we need to be in knowing and understanding our history, ignorance remains, even in Christians (again spiritual and cultural enlightenment are NOT the same thing. and if you don't see it as a curse word, even as a Christian you MAY continue to use it).

i digress but I think B. Slade left gospel more so because of his struggles with his sexuality rather than wanting to use the N word freely

I do see your points in this and yeah sometimes we do say it if we're demeaning someone for "acting like a..." good point about B. Slade too.

Timmy84 said:

datdude said:

u sort of echo my point Timmy in that everyone, Christian or otherwise do NOT feel the N word is profanity. which is part of the reason why its use endures. i have tremendous disdain for it but many take Q Tip's position from the song Sucka N**#a. many feel like its a term of "cultural disrespect" more so than PROFANITY. and again since we are far from where we need to be in knowing and understanding our history, ignorance remains, even in Christians (again spiritual and cultural enlightenment are NOT the same thing. and if you don't see it as a curse word, even as a Christian you MAY continue to use it).

i digress but I think B. Slade left gospel more so because of his struggles with his sexuality rather than wanting to use the N word freely

I do see your points in this and yeah sometimes we do say it if we're demeaning someone for "acting like a..." good point about B. Slade too.

"Don't make me mad and act like a nigga!"

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

I do see your points in this and yeah sometimes we do say it if we're demeaning someone for "acting like a..." good point about B. Slade too.

"Don't make me mad and act like a nigga!"