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Thread started 02/24/03 2:16pm

intha916

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Jay-Z concert on Showtime

Did anyone see this mess. It was almost as bad as the fixed fight that took place after (the Black Rhino was paid to lay down for sure) It really brings us back to the same issue when talking about all rap shows. Are they worth paying to see? My answer would be no. 99% of the time, you have 1-5 (in no limits case 12+) rappers on stage, yelling into a mic as a dj spins. This was cool the first time I saw RUN-DMC on the raising hell tour in the mid 80's. But then again, those cats had stage presence. PE was another act that was worth seeing live. And regardless of what fools say now, nobody could touch Hammer. Other than those cats (and maybe the roots since they play live, although I haven't seen them) What rap act is worth seeing live? Even cats I like (LL, Snoop, Outkast) have lame live shows. Hip Hop just does not translate well live. Thoughts??
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Reply #1 posted 02/24/03 2:18pm

mistermaxxx

BORING!!!Performance
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Reply #2 posted 02/24/03 2:19pm

Moonbeam

Busta Rhymes was incredible. He brought so much energy that the whole crowd was an ocean of movement.
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Reply #3 posted 02/24/03 2:22pm

mistermaxxx

depends on the Artist Live.LL COOL J's Unplugged from 91 is still My Favorite Unplugged Set Ever on that Network still.
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Reply #4 posted 02/24/03 2:36pm

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mistermaxxx said:

depends on the Artist Live.LL COOL J's Unplugged from 91 is still My Favorite Unplugged Set Ever on that Network still.



Yea I saw that and it was kinda cool. Problem is that is not his usual concert. Hammer would bring a tight band every night not just for a MTV special. Someone also mentioned busta. I like dude but other than "emotion" what can he bring to a live show? That's the problem, these cats are not musicians. And I'm not just picking on rappers. It's just as bad when you see a singer live without a band (Ashanti) If people pay for a show, give it to them damn it.
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Reply #5 posted 02/24/03 2:41pm

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intha916 said:

mistermaxxx said:

depends on the Artist Live.LL COOL J's Unplugged from 91 is still My Favorite Unplugged Set Ever on that Network still.



Yea I saw that and it was kinda cool. Problem is that is not his usual concert. Hammer would bring a tight band every night not just for a MTV special. Someone also mentioned busta. I like dude but other than "emotion" what can he bring to a live show? That's the problem, these cats are not musicians. And I'm not just picking on rappers. It's just as bad when you see a singer live without a band (Ashanti) If people pay for a show, give it to them damn it.
Hammer was Cool with His,Public Enemy,Gil Scott Heron,Funky Poets,Eric B.&Rakim,The Roots,MC Lyte,are all tight Live IMHO also RUN DMC were tight as well&the Beastie Boys.it depends how it's Brought&Presented IMHO no Matter what the Style.
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Reply #6 posted 02/24/03 2:46pm

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intha916 said:

mistermaxxx said:

depends on the Artist Live.LL COOL J's Unplugged from 91 is still My Favorite Unplugged Set Ever on that Network still.



Yea I saw that and it was kinda cool. Problem is that is not his usual concert. Hammer would bring a tight band every night not just for a MTV special. Someone also mentioned busta. I like dude but other than "emotion" what can he bring to a live show? That's the problem, these cats are not musicians. And I'm not just picking on rappers. It's just as bad when you see a singer live without a band (Ashanti) If people pay for a show, give it to them damn it.


Busta's raps are innovative and delivered in an incredibly rhythmic, unique style. Plus he brings heart and emotion to everything he does.
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Reply #7 posted 02/24/03 3:07pm

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Moonbeam said:

intha916 said:

mistermaxxx said:

depends on the Artist Live.LL COOL J's Unplugged from 91 is still My Favorite Unplugged Set Ever on that Network still.



Yea I saw that and it was kinda cool. Problem is that is not his usual concert. Hammer would bring a tight band every night not just for a MTV special. Someone also mentioned busta. I like dude but other than "emotion" what can he bring to a live show? That's the problem, these cats are not musicians. And I'm not just picking on rappers. It's just as bad when you see a singer live without a band (Ashanti) If people pay for a show, give it to them damn it.


Busta's raps are innovative and delivered in an incredibly rhythmic, unique style. Plus he brings heart and emotion to everything he does.


I respect your take Moonbeam, so I will take you at your word. Still don't you agree that cats like that are few and far between in the rap world?
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Reply #8 posted 02/24/03 3:16pm

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Moonbeam said:

intha916 said:

mistermaxxx said:

depends on the Artist Live.LL COOL J's Unplugged from 91 is still My Favorite Unplugged Set Ever on that Network still.



Yea I saw that and it was kinda cool. Problem is that is not his usual concert. Hammer would bring a tight band every night not just for a MTV special. Someone also mentioned busta. I like dude but other than "emotion" what can he bring to a live show? That's the problem, these cats are not musicians. And I'm not just picking on rappers. It's just as bad when you see a singer live without a band (Ashanti) If people pay for a show, give it to them damn it.


Busta's raps are innovative and delivered in an incredibly rhythmic, unique style. Plus he brings heart and emotion to everything he does.
Busta&Missy remind me of one another.Hype Track Artists is what I call them&it's catchy stuff but nothing I'd buy a Whole Album of.
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Reply #9 posted 02/24/03 3:05pm

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mistermaxxx said:

Moonbeam said:

intha916 said:

mistermaxxx said:

depends on the Artist Live.LL COOL J's Unplugged from 91 is still My Favorite Unplugged Set Ever on that Network still.



Yea I saw that and it was kinda cool. Problem is that is not his usual concert. Hammer would bring a tight band every night not just for a MTV special. Someone also mentioned busta. I like dude but other than "emotion" what can he bring to a live show? That's the problem, these cats are not musicians. And I'm not just picking on rappers. It's just as bad when you see a singer live without a band (Ashanti) If people pay for a show, give it to them damn it.


Busta's raps are innovative and delivered in an incredibly rhythmic, unique style. Plus he brings heart and emotion to everything he does.
Busta&Missy remind me of one another.Hype Track Artists is what I call them&it's catchy stuff but nothing I'd buy a Whole Album of.


You know what,I always thought of Busta and Missy as twins sort of. They have a similiar energy.
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Reply #10 posted 02/24/03 5:41pm

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intha916 said:

Moonbeam said:

intha916 said:

mistermaxxx said:

depends on the Artist Live.LL COOL J's Unplugged from 91 is still My Favorite Unplugged Set Ever on that Network still.



Yea I saw that and it was kinda cool. Problem is that is not his usual concert. Hammer would bring a tight band every night not just for a MTV special. Someone also mentioned busta. I like dude but other than "emotion" what can he bring to a live show? That's the problem, these cats are not musicians. And I'm not just picking on rappers. It's just as bad when you see a singer live without a band (Ashanti) If people pay for a show, give it to them damn it.


Busta's raps are innovative and delivered in an incredibly rhythmic, unique style. Plus he brings heart and emotion to everything he does.


You are right- there aren't many I'd pay to see. Missy would be another. Beasties would be fun too. However, the "giant rap tours" like Up in Smoke, etc. don't appeal to me at all. No stage presence. Can't anyone do it on his/her own?
I respect your take Moonbeam, so I will take you at your word. Still don't you agree that cats like that are few and far between in the rap world?
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Reply #11 posted 02/25/03 4:21am

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I agree with what has been stated above, you won't see me at any rap concerts...that's for sure. However, there have been some great live hip-hop rap performances thoughout

1)L.L Cool J's Unplugged Peformance was excellent {as Maxx mentioned}

2)Dr. Dre And Snoop Dogg performance of "Nothing But A G Thang with live musicians during the MTV awards in the early 90's

3) Public Enemy's 1994 album Muse Sick-N-Hour Mess Agehad some live musicians on it playing and a pretty good record IMO. Forget what those dumb critics said about the album being a letdown.
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Reply #12 posted 02/25/03 4:26pm

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"3) Public Enemy's 1994 album Muse Sick-N-Hour Mess Agehad some live musicians on it playing and a pretty good record IMO. Forget what those dumb critics said about the album being a letdown."

Right on. I thought I was the only person diggin this.
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Reply #13 posted 03/03/03 3:21pm

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intha916 said:

Hip Hop just does not translate well live. Thoughts??


Actually, in 1991 I remember seeing Public Enemy when they headlined a tour with A Tribe Called Quest, Naughty By Nature, Geto Boys, and Leaders of the New School. All the acts were good (funny, at that time Busta ripped the mic and got NO love), but A Tribe Called Quest put on one of the best performances I've ever seen live in any genre. This was right after they released The Low End Theory, and they were at the top of their game. P.E., of course, put on a killer set too. Now, I can see what you're saying, although I hear good things about the Roots and De La concerts.
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