LittleBLUECorvette said:

alphastreet said:

Stomp-Brothers Johnson

You Should Be Dancing-BeeGees

And some of the following artists, more or less

Madonna

Timbaland

Teddy Riley

Bobby Brown

Ginuwine (Heartbreaker reminds me of Pony)

Janet

Jody Watley

But he has his own style, he's definitely not a non-talented rip off.

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Bobby Brown and Ginuwine, don't forget Trey Songs and Chris Brown too lol.

Try reading my other replies to this thread

Shango said:

alphastreet said:

Stomp-Brothers Johnson

You Should Be Dancing-BeeGees

Interesting for which MJ-tracks? I know Mike co-wrote and sang back up for "This Had To Be", from that same Bros. Johnson album.

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Really? I need to check that song out then. If I knew about it, I completely forgot. Sometimes I think I secretly have amnesia.

Get On the Floor was co-written with Brothers Johnson and the structure sounds very similar to Stomp which I believe came out around the same time.

You Should Be Dancing reminds me of the same type of vibe I get from songs like Ease on Down the Road, Get On the Floor, Shake Your Body, and the unreleased Sunset Driver

Listening to it now! MJ sounds good and I love the groove!

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brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

Something about the Jackson 5 shows remind me of the Ike & Tina Turner Revue for some reason... not for their dancing or what not but the way their shows seemed to always be high paced (of course that also goes for the James Brown Revue).

Actually you're right AND for their dancing too! Tina influenced tons of people w/ her singing/dancing at the same time....then add to it their backup singers/dancers the Ikettes. (Shoot, PP Arnold actually got a career out of being an Ikette ). In some ways, Tina was a female version of James Brown, if you really consider it (and she managed to do it as a hot feminine chick.) This is a huge part of her appeal to so many rock stars. MJ was a boy/man, after all!

Ike and Tina had a rollicking upbeat thing w/ a more mainstream sound yet were quite RnB at the same time, no mean feat. The Jackson 5 pre-Motown were NOT some bubblegum kiddie group, but a serious vaudeville RnB outfit whose performers happened to be young. They were very inspired by the adult acts they saw on the circuit they perfomed on. Ike and Tina were/are really underrated IMHO and I can definitely see them inspiring MJ, if not directly, in spirit.

MJ was the last vaudevillian...never forget that!

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True about the J5... I wonder what would've happened had Motown not made them so bubblegum...

alphastreet said: Really? I need to check that song out then. If I knew about it, I completely forgot. Sometimes I think I secretly have amnesia.

Listening to it now! MJ sounds good and I love the groove!

Heh glad you dig it. Yeah, also the drummer is laying down an infectious beat.

alphastreet said: Get On the Floor was co-written with Brothers Johnson and the structure sounds very similar to Stomp which I believe came out around the same time.

You Should Be Dancing reminds me of the same type of vibe I get from songs like Ease on Down the Road, Get On the Floor, Shake Your Body, and the unreleased Sunset Driver

Thanks for the examples Sunset Driver was a big surprise when the Ultimate Collection came out

Timmy84 said:

brooksie said:

Actually you're right AND for their dancing too! Tina influenced tons of people w/ her singing/dancing at the same time....then add to it their backup singers/dancers the Ikettes. (Shoot, PP Arnold actually got a career out of being an Ikette ). In some ways, Tina was a female version of James Brown, if you really consider it (and she managed to do it as a hot feminine chick.) This is a huge part of her appeal to so many rock stars. MJ was a boy/man, after all!

Ike and Tina had a rollicking upbeat thing w/ a more mainstream sound yet were quite RnB at the same time, no mean feat. The Jackson 5 pre-Motown were NOT some bubblegum kiddie group, but a serious vaudeville RnB outfit whose performers happened to be young. They were very inspired by the adult acts they saw on the circuit they perfomed on. Ike and Tina were/are really underrated IMHO and I can definitely see them inspiring MJ, if not directly, in spirit.

MJ was the last vaudevillian...never forget that!

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True about the J5... I wonder what would've happened had Motown not made them so bubblegum...

They would have had a more raw, grittier feel. Like Sam & Dave (who were looking at the J5 in 68) or James Brown.

THis will be our best to what the J5's road show sounded like from 67-69. Mike's vouce was much more rawer than even his early stuff at Motown.

mjscarousal said:

JoeBala said:

Elvis - Heartbreak Hotel

James Brown - Anything and everythang!

FIXED

It's true.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

True about the J5... I wonder what would've happened had Motown not made them so bubblegum...

They would have had a more raw, grittier feel. Like Sam & Dave (who were looking at the J5 in 68) or James Brown.

THis will be our best to what the J5's road show sounded like from 67-69. Mike's vouce was much more rawer than even his early stuff at Motown.

This and "I Got the Feelin'" definitely showed what could've been had Motown allow them some control onstage. Shame Michael didn't do no more splits after a while too.

i dunno how anyone forgot to mention the song thriller being influenced by 1999

plus of course...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

True about the J5... I wonder what would've happened had Motown not made them so bubblegum...

They would have had a more raw, grittier feel. Like Sam & Dave (who were looking at the J5 in 68) or James Brown.

THis will be our best to what the J5's road show sounded like from 67-69. Mike's vouce was much more rawer than even his early stuff at Motown.

IIRC, Sam Moore really was looking and maybe considering putting in a word at Stax for them, but for some reason he seemed to think they were more Motown.

Motown really tried and worked hard on Michael's enunication...which IMHO, was sorely needed and never fully overcome.

Timmy84 said:

brooksie said:

The Jackson 5 pre-Motown were NOT some bubblegum kiddie group, but a serious vaudeville RnB outfit whose performers happened to be young. They were very inspired by the adult acts they saw on the circuit they perfomed on.

MJ was the last vaudevillian...never forget that!

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True about the J5... I wonder what would've happened had Motown not made them so bubblegum...

Truthfully, I can't really imagine them continuing into the career they ultimately had w/ their pre Motown sound. As much as Berry drives me up a wall , I have to say his gut instinct was probably right here. I doubt they would have had the career longevity if they'd become popular w/ such a raw sound when they came on the scene. If nothing else, the time was ripe for a teenybopper Black group and Berry dove in at the challenge of creating one.

That said, I think Berry went too far into the bubblegum realm. The Jacksons could have started w/ something slightly more mature sounding given that they were an actual band. I actually prefer the Sylvers' beginning more than the Jacksons', tho they too got sucked into the bubblegum stuff later a la Freddie Perrin.

You can hear Mike is this Isley Brothers track right here.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

You can hear Mike is this Isley Brothers track right here.

I always said Ron Isley was a big influence on Michael's vocal style especially his gruff-sounding tunes from the late '80s onwards all from the shout-singing Ron displays here and Ron's "OOH!".

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

You can hear Mike is this Isley Brothers track right here.

I always said Ron Isley was a big influence on Michael's vocal style especially his gruff-sounding tunes from the late '80s onwards all from the shout-singing Ron displays here and Ron's "OOH!".

Also Joe Tex, and not just for his dancing. His stage show, early in the J5 days.

He was a big fan of Downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails which in turn, more than lilkely, influenced the song Morphine.