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Has The Music Well Run Dry?? (Discussion) Hear me out, looking at the music of today and the state of the industry, is it possible that too many songs were recorded over the past 150 years??!!
Too many recording "artists" have pulled from the past, I guess more for inspiration than originality. We tend to compare them to favorites of the past. Even Stevie Wonder and Prince can't generate classics like they once did.
There are only 12 notes in a musical scale, and you have to admit, there has to be a limit!
Have all the stories been told? Have all the melodies been used up??
The formula of; Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus/Bridge/Chorus is old.
Can anyone answer this question? Approximately how many songs have been produced in the US and UK since the music industry was born?
Earliest Recordings ever made
BUT… a new recording has turned up. It was made on April 9, 1860 and it is of a woman singing the French folk song “Claire de la lune “. It has now been heard for the first time in 150 years.
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The AMA's, Grammy's, etc...seems like they are having a hard time honoring the best of the best each year. The shows from the past ten years have been suffering and there seems to be no wow factor from anyone.
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No, there are people with sincere experiences that have something to share and sing about. And God is always putting new talent on this earth. Music embraces the connection between humans.
But does the music industry care about that. Nope. And for the past +decade it has been about crappy music that can make a guranteed quick buck. The industry wants to ensure their survival throughout all the tecnology changes. Many 'o good artists don't get the same exposure. They have to do it on their own.
Sadly the '00 caused a whole generation to be raised on bad music. They expected it cause it is all they know. Those terrible songs of the '00 are now classics to those entering their 20's in the '10s
Music is a set of patterned beats. It is what it is. Maybe someone innovative would come in and change the whole lyrics/chourus/ lyrics/ bridge... But most songs that do that don't sound right, bland, missing something, or stays in one place.
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Well, they made their bed. There's a heap load of talent out there to be honored and droolled over, but if they wanna blame their hunger for ratings on so-called lack of music "artists", I'd say its a day late and a dollar short for that cop plea. | |
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If 4 basic elements can fill up an entire world, I think music will be fine.
Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Music Theory is just THAT, a theory! All of the scales & chords are not absolute final Music Law, hence why the music well has not run dry.
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The talent is lacking on some levels. I have faith that we have yet 2 hear some GREAT material. | |
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This. | |
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[img:$uid]http://www.wildmusic-jazz.com/oc.gif[/img:$uid] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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I disagree.
It's the application of theory and the million(s) combinations of possible musical tones that makes it possible for music to exist as an inexhaustible. There are only 12 tones in Western music (more in some Eastern scales); even still, the number of combinations is in fact, boundless.
Think about it. Take your normal ii-V-i chord progression:
D - G - C
In jazz, you can augment, diminish, suspend, or alter any of those chords, nevermind the millions of different melodic combinations you can arrange (or compose) just by having those twelve tones. I'm not a mathematician but I'm pretty sure that having 12 tones gives one millions if not trillions of possibilities. Besides, there is more to music than "tones;" rhythm is just as important as those tones are.
So music has its limits; there are finite possibilites but creativity does not exist under the same stipulations. I wonder if the real complaint here is more about shitty music.
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I don't believe the music well has run dry. As long as there are new people, there will be great new musical ideas...somewhere...I hope. What is all dryed up is the "music industry". The "music industry" is on life support and is run by people more interested in pushing their political agendas and making money by any means necessary than nurturing artists and allowing the artists the space and freedom to create their art. The bigger problem (at least here in America), as I see it, is the lack of music education programs in schools. We have generations of musical illiterates who are expected to recreate the wheel when they haven't been taught how to make a wheel to start with. What's produced from all this is often a lot mediocrity passed off and praised as the new greatness simply by default. [Edited 2/23/12 14:54pm] | |
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I sometimes wonder about this,too.Has music reached the end of the line? Has all the "good" music already been recorded? So much has already been done,so much ground has been broken....where do we go from here? | |
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You can tell this post is by someone who doesn't like new music. That comes with age. Many of y'alls parents didn't like Prince, remember? You're showing your age!
New bands come out all the time and some of my favorite all-time music came out from the 00s. Not all of it and I typically identify as a 60s, 70s, and 80s fan, but I like music from all generations.
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Besides, Madonna manages to slap together some semblance of an "album" every 4 years and makes gajillions of dollars. Methinks that the well is plenty-full. | |
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If that's factual, what's a teenager's reason for not liking new music? 'Cause by my late teens I was pretty much turned off by what the mainstream was pushing out. My mother on the other hand loved the stuff I listened to as a kid. And she thinks a lot of the new stuff is awesome as well. | |
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I guess the Addams weren't the only kooky, spooky family. | |
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Now I remember why I don't converse 'round herrr. | |
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It can't rain all the time. | |
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namepeace said: If 4 basic elements can fill up an entire world, I think music will be fine.
Too bad the org doesn't have a like button! Well said. |
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Absolutely NOT. Music hasn't run it's course by far. There are plenty of new acts out there that are good, but its finding them that's the issue....connecting them to a wide audience. The biggest issue that's crashing the industry to the wall is how music is now presented and consumed. The idea that acts must fit in the tidy box of whatever's popular at the time AND be "good looking" too is a disastrous turn for the industry, IMHO. I blame these things far more than I do the net or file sharing. The demand (whether real or manufactured) for conformity has stagnated most popular music genres (maybe excepting country, but even there...).
In the "olden days"
Long story short...it's not music that's dying but the industry that had built up to distribute it. There's a real disconnect between the listening public and TPTB. Unless both groups can start communicating and some of the old diversity comes back, I see things only getting worse.
Think about this...what if Marvin Gaye tried to break out today, where would he get play? Would he have to sing over (cringe) hip hop beats? It's very scary when put so brutually like this huh?! | |
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To me the real talent is out there, but not in mainstream. Most of the real music you find these days are most, if not all, recording on indie labels. And because indie artists aren't promoted like mainstream, the average folks who go to the radio or tv for music will get the mainstream garbage instead. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Speak for yourself. My late mother was a Prince-fan right before my sister & I were! | |
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I'm a HUGE fan of new music..but do you call T-Pain, Electro-Dance, Shit-Hop new music??
My teenage kids HATE the radio (and new music) and alawys say, "Why do all the songs sound the same?" | |
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I'm glad that I grew up in the 70s | |
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Well, I think it's unfair really because your kids got an advantage over other kids by having good music at home. When I was growing up, I had Motown in my home and today, I feel I have a decent taste in music. I do not like a lot of the new music on the top 40, but some of it is alright.
I tend to stick with artists I like and know, then branch out from there. I think a lot of kids these days hear what is played on the radio and they like it because of repetition. Not all kids, just kids who don't have good music at home. | |
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@G300, if you surround your kids with music like Motown and such, of course, they'll develop that attitude lol but yeah like Spin says, it's an unfair advantage. I could relate actually. | |
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my 17-year old nephew despises most of today's music.He listens to stuff like Marvin Gaye,The Temptations,Smokey Robinson and the Supremes.Go figure
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It has nothing to do with age. Hell, it's our parents generation that were the ones partying in the discos and clubs because we weren't old enough to get into places other than skating rinks so yeah, they liked the same stuff we liked and listened to the same radio stations. The ones that did the complaining back then were the grandparents, not the parents. My grandmother used to call it "bumpitty bump" music and say "why can't you listen to some slower purtier music instead of all that bumpitty bump stuff". They grew up in the era before rock and roll and rock and roll changed things and made things faster and rhythm was "the devil's music". That was their beef. If it weren't for the cussing in today's music, my grandmother would probably love it because it's certainly slow and "purty" enough for her generation, especially the R&B.
The R&B music scene has gone backwards instead of forwards. Back to the days before music had rhythm. I see people who complain about current music as staying young rather than getting older because we're too young to like all that rhythmless stuff that's out now which would have pleased our grandparents if they were still living. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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My mother liked the songs "Controversy", "1999", "When Doves Cry" and a few others. She didn't like all his music but she did like several of his songs and so did all her friends that were all her age. People tend to forget that we were kids back then. We weren't the ones old enough to go to these concerts and out clubbing. It was people our parent's age, so yes, they liked the same music we did.
That arguement about every generation's parents hated their music is a bunch of bullshit and simply people trying to defend today's music by making comparisons to those older generations that hated when rock and roll took over in the 50s. They just don't want to admit that today's music actual IS bullshit. The parents of the 50s was for completely different reasons. They hated it because it had rhythm. We hate today's music because it doesn't have rhythm. See, things have gone backwards instead of progressing forwards. . . . [Edited 2/25/12 18:18pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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it was easy to find diverse music of varying quality levels by merely turning on the radio....and if you were of age, all you had to do was go to a club to see live music or hear good dance tunes. Not so simple anymore. Many people simply have neither the time nor patience to sit around on the net looking for great new music. So what of them? They either tend to retreat to their beloved oldies and tune out anything new. TPTB have decided that radio must break new talent that ONLY fits a complete mold which forces people (who have the time/inclination) to search for other stuff elsewhere. That gives us this industry vs fans vs internet dynamic. The industry is too short-sighted to see that this turn of events proves that people want MORE diversity rather than less. It's become an ugly dog-chase-tail scenerio.
In those days,I was listening to stuff like Earth Wind and Fire,Stevie Wonder,The Commodores,P-Funk,Fleetwood Mac,The Eagles,etc.I think it spoiled me,though.I always though that great music would be the 'norm',you know.Never thought that it would fade away,leading us to where we are now.