This is for the 0 to 18 at the time Velvet Rope was released. Did your peer group enjoy Janet Jackson at this time of kiddy bands and post-2pac/Biggie hip hop? I was 14 and though people liked Together Again and I Get Lonely, it was mainly those who liked r&b if they weren't into pop, and even then they seemed to like her older stuff better and cared less than before. It made me sad cause it was my favourite album and felt everyone had to hear it, but some were too immature to give her a second look and were not liking her red hair and that tattoo, or calling her lesbian and laughing, and I didn't get what that had to do with the music.

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I will never understand Janet Jackson's popularity here.

I will never understand duccichucka

duccichucka said:

I will never understand Janet Jackson's popularity here.

Why is that? Overall Janet is very underrated currently... I cant speak on her current music but Control up until Velvet Rope she had some pretty amazing material.

I will never understand the Beyonce's and Rihanna's popularity here now if you want to bitch on something bitch on that

Velvet Rope got a lot of love

I think with Janet though she has too much time in between albums. Everything after Velvet Rope I didn't pay much attention to

I would think she would be doing more concept albums like Rhythm Nation at this stage in her life

and I loved the shiny red

Was nuts about the red and wanted my hair that colour too. It took me a year to get it though

I was 27 a the time, so not really a "child" of the era per-se...BUT it's my fav album by Miss Jackson.

alphastreet said:

This is for the 0 to 18 at the time Velvet Rope was released. Did your peer group enjoy Janet Jackson at this time of kiddy bands and post-2pac/Biggie hip hop? I was 14 and though people liked Together Again and I Get Lonely, it was mainly those who liked r&b if they weren't into pop, and even then they seemed to like her older stuff better and cared less than before. It made me sad cause it was my favourite album and felt everyone had to hear it, but some were too immature to give her a second look and were not liking her red hair and that tattoo, or calling her lesbian and laughing, and I didn't get what that had to do with the music.

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Really? I was in high school at the time, and it was definitely a hot album at my school. Plus it had enough dirty songs on it that it was considered rebellious to listen to. I would say it was way cooler to like Janet than any of the cheesy bands that had been popular in recent years like the Spice Girls or Backstreet Boys. I think you may actually have been just a little too young then for your peer group to get it -- I was about 17 then, I think. Things that are weird or freakish to 14-year-olds are often the absolute coolest things to kids just a little bit older. So just consider yourself more mature than your peers.

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Janet Jackson is currently so underrated it exactly kinda doesnt make any sense... (performer wise)

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alphastreet said:

This is for the 0 to 18 at the time Velvet Rope was released. Did your peer group enjoy Janet Jackson at this time of kiddy bands and post-2pac/Biggie hip hop? I was 14 and though people liked Together Again and I Get Lonely, it was mainly those who liked r&b if they weren't into pop, and even then they seemed to like her older stuff better and cared less than before. It made me sad cause it was my favourite album and felt everyone had to hear it, but some were too immature to give her a second look and were not liking her red hair and that tattoo, or calling her lesbian and laughing, and I didn't get what that had to do with the music.

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They made fun of one tattoo in the 90's??? What kind of school did you go to?

robertlove said:

alphastreet said:

I will never understand duccichucka

Whatever will I do?

mjscarousal said:

duccichucka said:

I will never understand Janet Jackson's popularity here.

Why is that? Overall Janet is very underrated currently... I cant speak on her current music but Control up until Velvet Rope she had some pretty amazing material.

I will never understand the Beyonce's and Rihanna's popularity here now if you want to bitch on something bitch on that

Is "is that" because her brother was Michael Joseph Jackson.

I dunno...she's had some pretty cool tunes but c'mon, she wasn't transcendent

or anything, was she?

duccichucka said:

mjscarousal said:

Why is that? Overall Janet is very underrated currently... I cant speak on her current music but Control up until Velvet Rope she had some pretty amazing material.

I will never understand the Beyonce's and Rihanna's popularity here now if you want to bitch on something bitch on that

Is "is that" because her brother was Michael Joseph Jackson.

I dunno...she's had some pretty cool tunes but c'mon, she wasn't transcendent

or anything, was she?

Well people like Britney, Ciara, Beyonce, Mya, Pink, Rihanna, as well as her peer group of female artists from the late 80's/early 90's have all spoken about her being a huge influence on them and breaking down doors for them, and you can even see it in their choreography and videos, so she must have done something right. I don't disagree that her family name helped her in the beginning, but she couldn't rely on that forever and ended up carving a path of her own, though I know in places where she is lesser known or people don't know much about current music, she is referred to as his sister.

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i just had a big argument today at work about janet and i feel she is sooo underated people love 2 throw shade saying she cant sing 2 each its own but i rather have her than beyonce her oversings. but its not a competition its room for both of em at the top but beyonce really makes me sick. i think if it wasnt for the homos and the lessy that wanna be her or get wit her she wouldnt be all that

cbarnes3121 said:

i just had a big argument today at work about janet and i feel she is sooo underated people love 2 throw shade saying she cant sing 2 each its own but i rather have her than beyonce her oversings. but its not a competition its room for both of em at the top but beyonce really makes me sick. i think if it wasnt for the homos and the lessy that wanna be her or get wit her she wouldnt be all that

She really is underrated. I go through periods where I play her way more than mj though I'm nuts about him and tend to take it personally if anyone puts him down or doesn't get him. When he passed, I was glad he was getting props but sometimes I had to point out to people that he was inspired by Janet too sometimes. As for Beyonce, I happen to like her and think she's one of the better performers of her generation.

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Don't worry. I've said it before, and I'll say it again....If she was to produce another hit record, eveyone's amnesia would be cured. She's just not popular now because she hasn't had any real hits in years.

How does that saying goes, "You're only as good as your last record."

alphastreet said:

duccichucka said:

Is "is that" because her brother was Michael Joseph Jackson.

I dunno...she's had some pretty cool tunes but c'mon, she wasn't transcendent

or anything, was she?

Well people like Britney, Ciara, Beyonce, Mya, Pink, Rihanna, as well as her peer group of female artists from the late 80's/early 90's have all spoken about her being a huge influence on them and breaking down doors for them, and you can even see it in their choreography and videos, so she must have done something right. I don't disagree that her family name helped her in the beginning, but she couldn't rely on that forever and ended up carving a path of her own, though I know in places where she is lesser known or people don't know much about current music, she is referred to as his sister.

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This is well argued. I think I will change my perspective of her now.

You wanna know the real reason I bought this album? The real reason?

I loved her Fro on the cover.

Timmy84 said:

You wanna know the real reason I bought this album? The real reason?

I loved her Fro on the cover.

Some kid asked me who that man was on the cover one time, elementary school aged. It was my sister's enemy though

I did mention Together Again was popular though right? I remember trying a dance class one time and the teacher had Together Again with her to teach us and had to keep forwarding the acapella to the song. I can't remember if I gave her my single in my bag to use instead....

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Timmy84 said:

You wanna know the real reason I bought this album? The real reason?

I loved her Fro on the cover.

It was like she was channeling Chaka only with curls

Musicslave said:

Timmy84 said:

You wanna know the real reason I bought this album? The real reason?

I loved her Fro on the cover.

It was like she was channeling Chaka only with curls

Yeah it was similar to Chaka, I'm thinking of the picture in the Waiting to Exhale booklet which came out only a couple of years before though I got it in 96'

Musicslave said:

Timmy84 said:

You wanna know the real reason I bought this album? The real reason?

I loved her Fro on the cover.

It was like she was channeling Chaka only with curls

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duccichucka said:

mjscarousal said:

Why is that? Overall Janet is very underrated currently... I cant speak on her current music but Control up until Velvet Rope she had some pretty amazing material.

I will never understand the Beyonce's and Rihanna's popularity here now if you want to bitch on something bitch on that

Is "is that" because her brother was Michael Joseph Jackson.

I dunno...she's had some pretty cool tunes but c'mon, she wasn't transcendent

or anything, was she?

Every time I get into a Janet Jackson debate on this board you posters always imply I am trying to make Janet out to be some genius.

No Janet is no genius or is a powerhouse vocalist BUT she has a good handful of classics and classic albums (Control and Rhythm Nation).

If you look at ANY female performer out now they all model after her as far as choreography goes..and most of the female performers today have listed her as an influence. I am not saying she is the greatest artist ever but she does deserve a hell of alot more credit that what she currently gets. Janet has alot of great songs and boy can she dance her ass off... I was looking at the AMA's 1987 performance today... amazing..

She is by far the BEST female dancer that is an ARTIST not to mention never being trained.

^ a-ha!

mjscarousal said:

duccichucka said:

Is "is that" because her brother was Michael Joseph Jackson.

I dunno...she's had some pretty cool tunes but c'mon, she wasn't transcendent

or anything, was she?

Every time I get into a Janet Jackson debate on this board you posters always imply I am trying to make Janet out to be some genius.

No Janet is no genius or is a powerhouse vocalist BUT she has a good handful of classics and classic albums (Control and Rhythm Nation).

If you look at ANY female performer out now they all model after her as far as choreography goes..and most of the female performers today have listed her as an influence. I am not saying she is the greatest artist ever but she does deserve a hell of alot more credit that what she currently gets. Janet has alot of great songs and boy can she dance her ass off... I was looking at the AMA's 1987 performance today... amazing..

She is by far the BEST female dancer that is an ARTIST not to mention never being trained.

Very underrated artist

Also, the whole Janet was successful because of her last name blah blah is tired. Yes that is what got her foot in the doors. HOWEVER, she did not last this long based solely on her last name... She did alot of things on her own and made her own destiny for herself. She is her OWN artist, singer, etc seperate from her family and seperate for her legendary brother MJ.

And I LOVEEEE MJ MORE than Janet and can honestly say this.

Love this performance, even the Grammys one! People just have no idea and missed out on this Janet, though she still has it.

cbarnes3121 said:

i just had a big argument today at work about janet and i feel she is sooo underated people love 2 throw shade saying she cant sing 2 each its own but i rather have her than beyonce her oversings. but its not a competition its room for both of em at the top but beyonce really makes me sick. i think if it wasnt for the homos and the lessy that wanna be her or get wit her she wouldnt be all that

Thats the ONLY thing you can throw at Janet but thats a given and I think SHE even knows that..

She is a very talented dancer.

She is not a bad actress

She is not a bad songer writer- average

She is attractive has stage presence etc...

She has a strong catalogue despite her recent failure to produce a hit and has made influential albums. (Which are essential in the reasons as to why she IS an Icon and IS influential)

I rather take a okay singer who makes great music than a singer who oversings, screams etc and makes horrible music and has made no impact...

Your right ... it is not a competition because there is no comparision BUT I find issue with an artist lets say since YOU BROUGHT HER UP Beyonce who is given credit for things.. things an artist such as Janet had already put in place WAY before she was even born.. Yes I find issue with that

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Time to exit...

alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

Every time I get into a Janet Jackson debate on this board you posters always imply I am trying to make Janet out to be some genius.

No Janet is no genius or is a powerhouse vocalist BUT she has a good handful of classics and classic albums (Control and Rhythm Nation).

If you look at ANY female performer out now they all model after her as far as choreography goes..and most of the female performers today have listed her as an influence. I am not saying she is the greatest artist ever but she does deserve a hell of alot more credit that what she currently gets. Janet has alot of great songs and boy can she dance her ass off... I was looking at the AMA's 1987 performance today... amazing..

She is by far the BEST female dancer that is an ARTIST not to mention never being trained.

Very underrated artist

Also, the whole Janet was successful because of her last name blah blah is tired. Yes that is what got her foot in the doors. HOWEVER, she did not last this long based solely on her last name... She did alot of things on her own and made her own destiny for herself. She is her OWN artist, singer, etc seperate from her family and seperate for her legendary brother MJ.

And I LOVEEEE MJ MORE than Janet and can honestly say this.

Love this performance, even the Grammys one! People just have no idea and missed out on this Janet, though she still has it.

Thats why when people say ignorant shit like Beyonce or Lady Gaga are great dancers... I pull out the wood works and am quick to pull up youtube clips in a heart beat

I dont mess around

I will pull up Janet, HELL EVEN MICHAEL, Tina, Nicholas Brothers etc.. so these ignorant motherfuckers can be educated on what real entertainment is.