Timmy84 said:

Ottensen said:

and I dare say Mama D is almost looking younger than her own sons!

She'd look younger if she get rid of that blond yak off her head.

I will never figure out why old ladies insist on wearing these dang blonde wigs

But seriously, I was one of those teenager going to the record store signings to get my little autographs when Debarge first came on the scene and blew up; lawd those kids were so young and fine back in the day (though I remember El having less than perfect skin ). It's really a shock to me to see how everyone has aged . Father time seems to have not been kind to most of them, which I imagine is directly connected to their addiction issues and earlier lifestyle choices

brooksie said:

MadamGoodnight said: El's hair is LAID! juices and berries

Dare I admit that I don't get this part.

Yes, his hair is fly as hale....as is the rest of him He looked so innocent and boyish sitting next to Bishop Don Magic Juan, right?!

I'll bet plenty women ran their fingers thru that gorg mane during what El coyly referred to as "social life"! We all know he was telling nothing but the truth on his DJ Quik stuff!

Juices and berries is from Coming To America. Prince Akeem goes in to have a haircut, and the barber is trippin off of his hair. He asks if Prince Akeem has chemicals, and he says no, juices and berries.

Barber: Got damn boy, that some kind of weave or something?

Prince Akeem: That is my natural hair. I have been growing it since birth.

Barber: Well shit, what kinda chemicals you got in there?

Prince Akeem: I have put no chemicals, only juices and berries.

Barber: Shit, that ain't nuthin but an Ultra Perm.

MadamGoodnight said:

Ottensen said:

Timmy84 said:

She'd look younger if she get rid of that blond yak off her head.

I will never figure out why old ladies insist on wearing these dang blonde wigs

But seriously, I was one of those teenager going to the record store signings to get my little autographs when Debarge first came on the scene and blew up; lawd those kids were so young and fine back in the day (though I remember El having less than perfect skin ). It's really a shock to me to see how everyone has aged . Father time seems to have not been kind to most of them, which I imagine is directly connected to their addiction issues and earlier lifestyle choices

I couldn't go to the local wrecka stow when they were there. Talk about disappointed. That was the talk at school with the girls though. They sure were fine, beautiful people. El had long ringlets of curls, they looked like living dolls, until they opened their mouths Black don't crack, but some of theirs has cracked. El still looks good compared to the rest.

prodigalfan said:

love that scene one of my favorites. "that in't nothing but ultra perm.

Mine too! I just love it

MadamGoodnight said:

Ottensen said:

I will never figure out why old ladies insist on wearing these dang blonde wigs

But seriously, I was one of those teenager going to the record store signings to get my little autographs when Debarge first came on the scene and blew up; lawd those kids were so young and fine back in the day (though I remember El having less than perfect skin ). It's really a shock to me to see how everyone has aged . Father time seems to have not been kind to most of them, which I imagine is directly connected to their addiction issues and earlier lifestyle choices

I couldn't go to the local wrecka stow when they were there. Talk about disappointed. That was the talk at school with the girls though. They sure were fine, beautiful people. El had long ringlets of curls, they looked like living dolls, until they opened their mouths Black don't crack, but some of theirs has cracked. El still looks good compared to the rest.

Now girl...what they say?! Was they all ghetto or something?

[Edited 3/20/12 20:48pm]

^ Well they DID come from the D...

brooksie said:

MadamGoodnight said:

I couldn't go to the local wrecka stow when they were there. Talk about disappointed. That was the talk at school with the girls though. They sure were fine, beautiful people. El had long ringlets of curls, they looked like living dolls, until they opened their mouths Black don't crack, but some of theirs has cracked. El still looks good compared to the rest.

Now girl...what they say?! Was they all ghetto or something?

[Edited 3/20/12 20:48pm]

We thought they were these cutie pies, (and they were) but the rest just wasn't what we were expecting at all. Can't say more about it on the 'net tho'

Timmy84 said:

^ Well they DID come from the D...

MadamGoodnight said:

brooksie said:

Now girl...what they say?! Was they all ghetto or something?

[Edited 3/20/12 20:48pm]

We thought they were these cutie pies, (and they were) but the rest just wasn't what we were expecting at all. Can't say more about it on the 'net tho'

I posted that DJ Quick thang, so we've heard Eldra get his cuss on, but now you got me intrigued. THAT bad, eh?

Oh Lord, how could I forget "Coming To America"? Gotta bust that out again.

Timmy84 said:

^ Well they DID come from the D...

right!

Geez guys...here I am, your handy dandy Tommy spiller and El just blew shit up again. I wonder if he read this book and if it has something to do w/ the present sitch? Tommy spilled tons of family secrets that El seems to just disappear. I've been re-reading the book and seriously proceesing what was said because the book is very dense w/ info and trying to decide what to post. As this new sitch (El popped for dealing) has shown Tommy's tale, I fear, is the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

Damn it's hard to be a De Barge stan! Tho I am rocking "Queen of My Heart" '83 version.

[Edited 3/21/12 18:45pm]

brooksie said:

Geez guys...here I am, your handy dandy Tommy spiller and El just blew shit up again. I wonder if he read this book and if it has something to do w/ the present sitch? Tommy spilled tons of family secrets that El seems to just disappear. I've been re-reading the book and seriously proceesing what was said because the book is very dense w/ info and trying to decide what to post. As this new sitch (El popped for dealing) has shown Tommy's tale, I fear, is the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

Damn it's hard to be a De Barge stan! Tho I am rocking "Queen of My Heart" '83 version.

[Edited 3/21/12 18:45pm]

Didn't Gregory Williams say it best about the DeBarge family when he said "they have demons that prove too much powerful for them to overcome"?

Timmy84 said:

brooksie said:

Geez guys...here I am, your handy dandy Tommy spiller and El just blew shit up again. I wonder if he read this book and if it has something to do w/ the present sitch? Tommy spilled tons of family secrets that El seems to just disappear. I've been re-reading the book and seriously proceesing what was said because the book is very dense w/ info and trying to decide what to post. As this new sitch (El popped for dealing) has shown Tommy's tale, I fear, is the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

Damn it's hard to be a De Barge stan! Tho I am rocking "Queen of My Heart" '83 version.

[Edited 3/21/12 18:45pm]

Didn't Gregory Williams say it best about the DeBarge family when he said "they have demons that prove too much powerful for them to overcome"?

Yup and Greg knows where the bodies are buried (not literally...I hope). That cat knew Bobby (in how many ways...including Biblicly?! ) and all them back to at least the early Grand Rapids days, so he saw some stuff popp off, using El's phrase. He said the old man was a psychopath and I have no cause to doubt him.

I'm not sure, but I think Darrell is the only De Barge male not to have served time. smdh

See things never change with El or his family.....

[Edited 3/22/12 5:32am]

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

Didn't Gregory Williams say it best about the DeBarge family when he said "they have demons that prove too much powerful for them to overcome"?

Yup and Greg knows where the bodies are buried (not literally...I hope). That cat knew Bobby (in how many ways...including Biblicly?! ) and all them back to at least the early Grand Rapids days, so he saw some stuff popp off, using El's phrase. He said the old man was a psychopath and I have no cause to doubt him.

I'm not sure, but I think Darrell is the only De Barge male not to have served time. smdh

Yeah you're right. Sounds like Darrell is in the straight and narrow at least and is the only DeBarge son to learn from his brothers' and sister's mistakes (I think Carol is drug free too). But yeah Darrell has not served time least I can tell.

brooksie said:

Geez guys...here I am, your handy dandy Tommy spiller and El just blew shit up again. I wonder if he read this book and if it has something to do w/ the present sitch? Tommy spilled tons of family secrets that El seems to just disappear. I've been re-reading the book and seriously proceesing what was said because the book is very dense w/ info and trying to decide what to post. As this new sitch (El popped for dealing) has shown Tommy's tale, I fear, is the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

Damn it's hard to be a De Barge stan! Tho I am rocking "Queen of My Heart" '83 version.

[Edited 3/21/12 18:45pm]

More bad news for this family. I hope he's able to get help, & get well! 3 of them went on Dr. Drew. Was El too private to do that?

I didn't go to the last concert that El did. My friend went to one last year, & said he was really late showing up. Another time, he didn't play at all at a show that a radio station gave. I saw the video posted from the last show, and it didn't look or sound great, IMO. I know El said he was sick, but it was kinda all over the place. Just sad all around.

MadamGoodnight said:

brooksie said:

Geez guys...here I am, your handy dandy Tommy spiller and El just blew shit up again. I wonder if he read this book and if it has something to do w/ the present sitch? Tommy spilled tons of family secrets that El seems to just disappear. I've been re-reading the book and seriously proceesing what was said because the book is very dense w/ info and trying to decide what to post. As this new sitch (El popped for dealing) has shown Tommy's tale, I fear, is the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

Damn it's hard to be a De Barge stan! Tho I am rocking "Queen of My Heart" '83 version.

[Edited 3/21/12 18:45pm]

More bad news for this family. I hope he's able to get help, & get well! 3 of them went on Dr. Drew. Was El too private to do that?

I didn't go to the last concert that El did. My friend went to one last year, & said he was really late showing up. Another time, he didn't play at all at a show that a radio station gave. I saw the video posted from the last show, and it didn't look or sound great, IMO. I know El said he was sick, but it was kinda all over the place. Just sad all around.

Just leads you to think he couldn't stay sober... suddenly what he went through last year and recently makes sense now. It's the drugs.

Timmy84 said:

MadamGoodnight said:

More bad news for this family. I hope he's able to get help, & get well! 3 of them went on Dr. Drew. Was El too private to do that?

I didn't go to the last concert that El did. My friend went to one last year, & said he was really late showing up. Another time, he didn't play at all at a show that a radio station gave. I saw the video posted from the last show, and it didn't look or sound great, IMO. I know El said he was sick, but it was kinda all over the place. Just sad all around.

Just leads you to think he couldn't stay sober... suddenly what he went through last year and recently makes sense now. It's the drugs.

So true

MadamGoodnight said:

brooksie said:

Geez guys...here I am, your handy dandy Tommy spiller and El just blew shit up again. I wonder if he read this book and if it has something to do w/ the present sitch? Tommy spilled tons of family secrets that El seems to just disappear. I've been re-reading the book and seriously proceesing what was said because the book is very dense w/ info and trying to decide what to post. As this new sitch (El popped for dealing) has shown Tommy's tale, I fear, is the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

Damn it's hard to be a De Barge stan! Tho I am rocking "Queen of My Heart" '83 version.

[Edited 3/21/12 18:45pm]

More bad news for this family. I hope he's able to get help, & get well! 3 of them went on Dr. Drew. Was El too private to do that?

I didn't go to the last concert that El did. My friend went to one last year, & said he was really late showing up. Another time, he didn't play at all at a show that a radio station gave. I saw the video posted from the last show, and it didn't look or sound great, IMO. I know El said he was sick, but it was kinda all over the place. Just sad all around.

Yeah. El's given some interviews on the matter and things like that, but he's very reticent to go past a certain point about things. Given that his mother, sister, and now brother have gone far and deep...I suspect he feels a bit pressed about it all. This guy seems to value his image and dignity, Tommy states this outright in the book. IMHO that's not at all a bad thing because nobody got sober being on a reality show type circus.

El might have been sick at that LA show, but he was also high as hell too. The two aren't mutually exclusive! He's been using for quite some time now IMHO....I honestly doubt he was sober 6 months after he got out. Methinks they went too hard and fast at jump startng his career. In fairness to El, he's worked consistently since he became horribly addicted.....when he was well enough. However, to take a 50 year old man so outta the game and throw him headlong into this crazy world of entertainment full stop...disaster was almost certain.

Sheesh, I'm mainly a classic rock fan, so addicted stars are not new to me....but this stuff w/ the De Barges is getting a bit extra!

Timmy84 said:

MadamGoodnight said:

More bad news for this family. I hope he's able to get help, & get well! 3 of them went on Dr. Drew. Was El too private to do that?

I didn't go to the last concert that El did. My friend went to one last year, & said he was really late showing up. Another time, he didn't play at all at a show that a radio station gave. I saw the video posted from the last show, and it didn't look or sound great, IMO. I know El said he was sick, but it was kinda all over the place. Just sad all around.

Just leads you to think he couldn't stay sober... suddenly what he went through last year and recently makes sense now. It's the drugs.

Sobriety is hard for anyone in the biz, but w/ El it's so much more difficult I think. The duration of his addiction is far greater than most, then add all the pressures he's been under wrt his career, then whatever MamaD/baby mama stuff, etc....I think his sitch is even more extreme than most addicts out there. He's a guy who's on the music charts, yet has no place to call his very own home.

Add to this that the combo of drugs he seems addicted to (heroin and crack) are particularly hard to kick.....this was bound to happen if you know the signs.

brooksie said:

MadamGoodnight said:

More bad news for this family. I hope he's able to get help, & get well! 3 of them went on Dr. Drew. Was El too private to do that?

I didn't go to the last concert that El did. My friend went to one last year, & said he was really late showing up. Another time, he didn't play at all at a show that a radio station gave. I saw the video posted from the last show, and it didn't look or sound great, IMO. I know El said he was sick, but it was kinda all over the place. Just sad all around.

Yeah. El's given some interviews on the matter and things like that, but he's very reticent to go past a certain point about things. Given that his mother, sister, and now brother have gone far and deep...I suspect he feels a bit pressed about it all. This guy seems to value his image and dignity, Tommy states this outright in the book. IMHO that's not at all a bad thing because nobody got sober being on a reality show type circus.

El might have been sick at that LA show, but he was also high as hell too. The two aren't mutually exclusive! He's been using for quite some time now IMHO....I honestly doubt he was sober 6 months after he got out. Methinks they went too hard and fast at jump startng his career. In fairness to El, he's worked consistently since he became horribly addicted.....when he was well enough. However, to take a 50 year old man so outta the game and throw him headlong into this crazy world of entertainment full stop...disaster was almost certain.

Sheesh, I'm mainly a classic rock fan, so addicted stars are not new to me....but this stuff w/ the De Barges is getting a bit extra!

He does seem different from the siblings of his who put it all out there. I need to get Tommy's book.

You know, I didn't want to go to the show because I didn't want to chance it. One, El may show up late, & give a quickie show, or just not show up at all. I also didn't want to see him in that state, if that were the case. I didn't write any of that here at the time, because I didn't want to discourage anyone else from going (if that's what they wanted to do). Seeing a half done show with somebody who really does have talent is sad and unfortunate.

I do remember when it seemed as if El was on every award show or tribute, gospel & holiday show on BET. That man was everywhere! That's a lot for someone trying to re-adjust. He was also playing at clubs, doing promos, music festivals (or scheduled to, I don't know how many he officially made or did not). Yeah, again, a lot for someone who was in his situation, fresh out and getting back on track.

[Edited 3/22/12 0:41am]

I hate to say it but there's too many parallels between El DeBarge and the fates of David Ruffin and Marvin Gaye. In the case of Marvin though, he never served no time for drug possession (but he was probably strongly protected unlike El and David for that matter). I just hope he don't end out like them but who knows?

Timmy84 said:

I hate to say it but there's too many parallels between El DeBarge and the fates of David Ruffin and Marvin Gaye. In the case of Marvin though, he never served no time for drug possession (but he was probably strongly protected unlike El and David for that matter). I just hope he don't end out like them but who knows?

Nah...not Marvin, PapaD is dead! If I had to see this in someone else, I'd say Rick James minus the dealing aspect...but I truly see no others like him except his own brothers due to the dealing factor. It's a consistant theme w/ the De Barge men that sets them apart from other celeb drug stories. IMHO, that's why they've been popped more than not. El's the only one I can think of that had gotten busted for pure possession charges. This new bust changes that one.

Truthfully, I'm more surprised about James than I am about El. I can picture El dealing cuz he seems to have some of the toughness and brass that Bobby had, but James has always seemed too fundamentally soft to do it. Then again..Tommy dealt, so...

Does anyone know what went down between him and the Farmers? I suspect something ain't right w/ his money cuz he's SEEMED to have avoided dealing up to this point.

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

I hate to say it but there's too many parallels between El DeBarge and the fates of David Ruffin and Marvin Gaye. In the case of Marvin though, he never served no time for drug possession (but he was probably strongly protected unlike El and David for that matter). I just hope he don't end out like them but who knows?

Nah...not Marvin, PapaD is dead! If I had to see this in someone else, I'd say Rick James minus the dealing aspect...but I truly see no others like him except his own brothers due to the dealing factor. It's a consistant theme w/ the De Barge men that sets them apart from other celeb drug stories. IMHO, that's why they've been popped more than not. El's the only one I can think of that had gotten busted for pure possession charges. This new bust changes that one.

Truthfully, I'm more surprised about James than I am about El. I can picture El dealing cuz he seems to have some of the toughness and brass that Bobby had, but James has always seemed too fundamentally soft to do it. Then again..Tommy dealt, so...

Does anyone know what went down between him and the Farmers? I suspect something ain't right w/ his money cuz he's SEEMED to have avoided dealing up to this point.

I meant with their drug problems lol least El wasn't accused of burning someone with the pipe...lol

Timmy84 said:

brooksie said:

Nah...not Marvin, PapaD is dead! If I had to see this in someone else, I'd say Rick James minus the dealing aspect...but I truly see no others like him except his own brothers due to the dealing factor. It's a consistant theme w/ the De Barge men that sets them apart from other celeb drug stories. IMHO, that's why they've been popped more than not. El's the only one I can think of that had gotten busted for pure possession charges. This new bust changes that one.

Truthfully, I'm more surprised about James than I am about El. I can picture El dealing cuz he seems to have some of the toughness and brass that Bobby had, but James has always seemed too fundamentally soft to do it. Then again..Tommy dealt, so...

Does anyone know what went down between him and the Farmers? I suspect something ain't right w/ his money cuz he's SEEMED to have avoided dealing up to this point.

I meant with their drug problems lol least El wasn't accused of burning someone with the pipe...lol

Well El has been popped a few times for domestic violence/assault against women. In fact, El\s 1st arrest was about abusing some girl at a college...it was around the time he CLAIMS he started using heavy. The last time was in 07 (I think it was his baby mama Monica that dimed him) and he lost a kid to the system w/ "Mrs El" (aka Melody)...so he ain't too far from Rick's crack pipe if you think about it.

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

I meant with their drug problems lol least El wasn't accused of burning someone with the pipe...lol

Well El has been popped a few times for domestic violence/assault against women. In fact, El\s 1st arrest was about abusing some girl at a college...it was around the time he CLAIMS he started using heavy. The last time was in 07 (I think it was his baby mama Monica that dimed him) and he lost a kid to the system w/ "Mrs El" (aka Melody)...so he ain't too far from Rick's crack pipe if you think about it.

Good point. Forgot all about that.

Tommy sings! Whay'all thank?!

A REALLY shady pic of Bobby and Greg around the White Heat era. Think they got up to something shady w/ this girl?!

brooksie said:

A REALLY shady pic of Bobby and Greg around the White Heat era. Think they got up to something shady w/ this girl?!

Damn Bobby already look like he's all tossed out on heroin...