K can we not do the conspiracy thing? Nothing out of the ordinary was going on. Whitney showed up in LA for the pre grammy party and party she did. Honestly for the last 20 some years off and on Houston did drugs and and enjoyed doing drugs. There is no reason for some sort of bs that her crew "feed her the last dose." Like it or not she has been messed up. No one else is at fault, nor is Whitney just some times you roll the dice and they come up snake eyes.

lazycrockett said:

K can we not do the conspiracy thing? Nothing out of the ordinary was going on. Whitney showed up in LA for the pre grammy party and party she did. Honestly for the last 20 some years off and on Houston did drugs and and enjoyed doing drugs. There is no reason for some sort of bs that her crew "feed her the last dose." Like it or not she has been messed up. No one else is at fault, nor is Whitney just some times you roll the dice and they come up snake eyes.

Didn't she stay for a full WEEK in L.A.?

OzlemUcucu said:

Prince is supposed to make some kinda statements, i think it was necessary when MJ died, and also in this case with Whitney. If Paul can, so can he..he did appear at the JB funeral if i remember correctly?!

Why is Prince supposed to make a statement? As for James Brown, I don't remember if Prince said anything or not but that's perfectly understandable if he did. James Brown was one of his musical heroes and his influence has been in Prince's music from day one.

As for folks like Celine Dionne, Mariah Carey, Brandy, etc. making statements, yes they should. Not only should they make a statement but they should also be bending over backwards praising and kissing her ass because none of them would have careers if it wasn't for her. As for Prince, he was around for years before her and her career has nothing whatsover to do with his. If anything, her career is one of the contributors over time as to why his career isn't as big as it used to be. James Brown opened doors for people like Prince, she opened doors for people like the majority of these making these statements.

I just thought of something. In her interview with Diane Sawyer, she mentioned that she was addicted to prescription pills alongside cocaine. I just read somewhere that said prescription drugs can lead to erratic behavior, especially if taken for recreational use. All of a sudden, her death doesn't seem that shocking. Plus with the alcohol, it made for a deadly mix. I'm also hearing the preliminary results of her autopsy did find some prescription drug usage in her system.

lazycrockett said:

K can we not do the conspiracy thing? Nothing out of the ordinary was going on. Whitney showed up in LA for the pre grammy party and party she did. Honestly for the last 20 some years off and on Houston did drugs and and enjoyed doing drugs. There is no reason for some sort of bs that her crew "feed her the last dose." Like it or not she has been messed up. No one else is at fault, nor is Whitney just some times you roll the dice and they come up snake eyes.

No one is denying she doesnt have drug problem but something is fishy went on between early hours of February 10th and February 11th when was she found dead. I am not saying she was murdered I dont think she was I am saying there is some cover up going on. She show up at the party on February 9th and was seen by various people included several celebrities but the question is where was she on February 10th? Why has it yet been reported whereabouts on that day?What is funny is that her entourage said on Friday night she was at the hotel bar with them and having fun but I read off from another board that someone said a fan on twitter specially said he was at the hotel bar and seen Bobbi Kristina but not Whitney on Friday night. If Whitney was at the hotel on February 10th and hotel bar was a tourist spot (where fans do go there to have fun and stakeout for any celebrity sightings), the question is why has NOT been any videos or pictures to vertified? People most certainly have no problem talked about the sightings of the places that she went to that happened on February 9th but not one peep about her sighting at the hotel bar on February 10th? I am sure someone would had pictures of her being there Friday night at the hotel bar, and people were staking out as it was reported. And not to mention story changes several times of who allegedly found her. So EXCUSE ME for not being some gullible person and accept whatever bullshyt that the corporate media puts out.

And also people have the right to question things without getting accused of being theroist, so if you dont like it then just ignore my posts or stay away from this thread, SIMPLE AS THAT.

free2bfreeda said:

me again! found this:

A Timeline of Whitney Houston's Final Days

1.

http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...d=15567254 Friday, Feb. 10:

Houston reportedly spent Friday night at the bar of the Beverly Hilton hotel with a group of friends. She was at the bar for a long time, drinking and being very loud, according to TMZ.

2.

Video: Witness to Whitney Houston's final days (posted feb 13th) w/Anderson Cooper

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.co...inal-days/

and:

Timmy84 said:

I also read that on Feb. 10th, there were reports that Bobbi Krissy was also in a tub...unconscious.

found that also:

http://jezebel.com/588456...hotel-bath

[Edited 2/14/12 23:05pm]

But not one picture or video of her being at the bar on that night? This is freaking Whitney Houston and people are know to capture pictures on her antics and it posts all the blogs. All those people and witness at the bar and not one picture or video surface? I dont think there was some private event it was a very open area the hotel bar. Why is rthat there were so many pictures and videos of the events on February 9th but not one picture or video on February 10th? I am not being a conspiracy it just a simple question. I am not suggesting anything but why is it the media are not asking these questions?

I'm glad there wasn't a video actually. I hated seeing what I saw of her on Feb. 9th.

ladygirl99 said:

free2bfreeda said:

me again! found this:

A Timeline of Whitney Houston's Final Days

1.

http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...d=15567254 Friday, Feb. 10:

Houston reportedly spent Friday night at the bar of the Beverly Hilton hotel with a group of friends. She was at the bar for a long time, drinking and being very loud, according to TMZ.

2.

Video: Witness to Whitney Houston's final days (posted feb 13th) w/Anderson Cooper

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.co...inal-days/

and:

Timmy84 said:

I also read that on Feb. 10th, there were reports that Bobbi Krissy was also in a tub...unconscious.

found that also:

http://jezebel.com/588456...hotel-bath

[Edited 2/14/12 23:05pm]

But not one picture or video of her being at the bar on that night? This is freaking Whitney Houston and people are know to capture pictures on her antics and it posts all the blogs. All those people and witness at the bar and not one picture or video surface? I dont think there was some private event it was a very open area the hotel bar. Why is rthat there were so many pictures and videos of the events on February 9th but not one picture or video on February 10th? I am not being a conspiracy it just a simple question. I am not suggesting anything but why is it the media are not asking these questions?

now i'm really wondering. no witness/friend statements. no photos, no hotel employee statements, no boyfriend statement, nothing related to Feb 10th. seems like someone would have been near her to watch over her after her erratic behavior on the 9th. (no i'm on a respectful quest for info)

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free2bfreeda said:

ladygirl99 said:

But not one picture or video of her being at the bar on that night? This is freaking Whitney Houston and people are know to capture pictures on her antics and it posts all the blogs. All those people and witness at the bar and not one picture or video surface? I dont think there was some private event it was a very open area the hotel bar. Why is rthat there were so many pictures and videos of the events on February 9th but not one picture or video on February 10th? I am not being a conspiracy it just a simple question. I am not suggesting anything but why is it the media are not asking these questions?

now i'm really wondering. no witness/friend statements. no photos, no hotel employee statements, no boyfriend statement, nothing related to Feb 10th. seems like someone would have been near her to watch over her after her erratic behavior on the 9th. (no i'm on a respectful quest for info)

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Exactly. Why I got a feeling she did NOT died on Saturday?

free2bfreeda said:

ladygirl99 said:

But not one picture or video of her being at the bar on that night? This is freaking Whitney Houston and people are know to capture pictures on her antics and it posts all the blogs. All those people and witness at the bar and not one picture or video surface? I dont think there was some private event it was a very open area the hotel bar. Why is rthat there were so many pictures and videos of the events on February 9th but not one picture or video on February 10th? I am not being a conspiracy it just a simple question. I am not suggesting anything but why is it the media are not asking these questions?

now i'm really wondering. no witness/friend statements. no photos, no hotel employee statements, no boyfriend statement, nothing related to Feb 10th. seems like someone would have been near her to watch over her after her erratic behavior on the 9th. (no i'm on a respectful quest for info)

[Edited 2/15/12 0:33am]

Another thing http://www.forbes.com/sit...-incident/ And a hotel guest on third floor also complain too about there was water coming from above in Whitney's bathroom at around 2:30 am the day before she was found. The hotel staff said there is a leak but it could had been any of the suites that Whitney but the guy insist the water came from Whitney's bathroom as he was told by security the same person who went to check where the water came from. I know most people might think this detail is minor but that is very interesting.

Meanwhile, Ray J is nowhere to be heard/seen.

Frpm billboard

Whitney Houston Re-Enters Top 10 on Billboard 200 by Keith Caulfield, L.A. Following the death of Whitney Houston on Saturday, Feb. 11, the diva's "Whitney: The Greatest Hits" album re-enters the Billboard 200 chart at No. 6. It sold 64,000 copies in the U.S. (according to Nielsen SoundScan) in the tracking week that ended on Feb. 12 -- reflecting only one full day of sales after her passing. "Greatest Hits" posted a 10,419% gain over its previous week's sales, when it shifted just under 1,000. Houston also returns to the list with her 1986 debut "Whitney Houston" (No. 72 with 8,000; up 3,901%), "The Bodyguard" soundtrack (No. 80 with 8,000; up 5,213%), her last studio album "I Look To You" (No. 118 with 5,000; up 3,901%), 1987's "Whitney" (No. 122 with 5,000; up 2,274%) and "The Preacher's Wife" soundtrack (No. 183 with 4,000; up 3,913%). There were more Houston albums purchased in the last week (101,000 - up 5,994% from 2,000 the week previous) than had been sold in all of 2011 and 2012 combined until her death (97,000). The vast majority of the 101,000 albums sold last week were downloads -- 91,000. That hefty digital sum isn't surprising, since there would be a relative few physical CD copies of Houston's albums on the shelves at brick-and-mortar stores. (Most retailers don't carry a wide selection of an artist's back catalog.) In terms of digital tracks, Houston sold a combined 887,000 downloads this past week -- up from only 15,000 the week previous (a gain of 5,730%). Her biggest seller was her 1992 Billboard Hot 100 No. 1 single "I Will Always Love You," with 195,000 (up 6,724%). It debuts on the seven-year old Digital Songs Chart at No. 3. Houston also arrives on the 75-position chart with seven more songs: "I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)" at No. 25 (74,000; up 8,769%), "Greatest Love Of All" at No. 32 (60,000; up 7,270%), "How Will I Know" at No. 46 (43,000; up 5,767%), "I Have Nothing" at No. 53 (38,000; up 5,179%), "Saving All My Love For You" at No. 65 (33,000; up 6,423%), "One Moment In Time" at No. 74 (30,000; up 6,206%) and "The Star Spangled Banner" at No. 75 (29,000; up 8,278%). It's expected that Houston's catalog of albums and songs will see even bigger sales next week, after a full week's worth of impact from her passing is felt on the charts. Next week's charts will reflect the sales week that will end on Sunday, Feb. 19. Our regular recap of the week's top 10 selling albums and songs will be available on Wednesday (Feb. 15) morning.

Harlepolis said:

ladygirl99 said:

free2bfreeda said:

me again! found this:

A Timeline of Whitney Houston's Final Days

1.

http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...d=15567254 Friday, Feb. 10:

Houston reportedly spent Friday night at the bar of the Beverly Hilton hotel with a group of friends. She was at the bar for a long time, drinking and being very loud, according to TMZ.

2.

Video: Witness to Whitney Houston's final days (posted feb 13th) w/Anderson Cooper

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.co...inal-days/

and:

Timmy84 said:

found that also:

http://jezebel.com/588456...hotel-bath

[Edited 2/14/12 23:05pm]

But not one picture or video of her being at the bar on that night? This is freaking Whitney Houston and people are know to capture pictures on her antics and it posts all the blogs. All those people and witness at the bar and not one picture or video surface? I dont think there was some private event it was a very open area the hotel bar. Why is rthat there were so many pictures and videos of the events on February 9th but not one picture or video on February 10th? I am not being a conspiracy it just a simple question. I am not suggesting anything but why is it the media are not asking these questions?

[Edited 2/15/12 4:08am]

[Edited 2/15/12 5:10am]

[Edited 2/15/12 5:11am]

For those who want to falsely blame Bobby for her demise, this article says it all:

Whitney Houston Friend: "Death Is Not Bobby's Fault"

Ted Casablanca, eonline
13 hours ago

Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown

Whitney Houston 's cause of death is still unknown, though that hasn't stopped many from weighing in. And if you listen to some very vocal —and very angry —fans, all the blame could be put on one man: Whitney ex-husband Bobby Brown.

Not so, says a close friend to the late singer, who's known Whitney since before she met the New Edition singer in 1989: "Bobby Brown did not start Whitney Houston on a road that led to her death."

Then what did lead to the super-star's well-documented demise?

"Whitney's death is not Bobby's fault," insisted the Houston source, responding to those allegations that mark Brown as a bad influence and turning point in Houston's life.

"It was Whitney herself," the Houston pal confided. "I think even she has admitted that . And Bobby never forced her to do anything. These were her choices."

Even though it didn't always appear as such.

"All people ever saw," continued Whitney's friend and business colleague "were the drugs, the fighting, Bobby's terrible temper and that horrible reality show."

Meaning Being Bobby Brown, which was arguably the lowest openly self-destructive point in the couple's 14-year marriage. The bickering duo, whose daughter, Bobbi Kristina, often seemed helplessly caught in the crossfire, would attack each other incessantly while the cameras rolled on.

"What people don't know," explained the Houston source, "is that the fighting wasn't just caused by drugs. It really had to do more with Whitney's secrets."

I asked the Houston insider, as well as another friend to the late legend, to elaborate on just what those secrets were. In other words, what was the "biggest devil" that Houston so famously mentioned to Diane Sawyer in 2002?

"That is not for me to say," answered the first Houston source.

The other Whitney friend, who knew the 48-year old performer more socially, would only say:

"This is so very sad. But, I'm sure in a year a book will be written about that very question."

Or sooner.

© 2012 E! Entertainment Television, Inc. All rights reserved., http://comcast.eonline.co.../index.jsp

[Edited 2/15/12 4:32am]

PatrickS77 said:

Dreamer2 said:

Cashing in.... like they did with Michael Jackson... i feel sorry for any artist that does not learn to play the game and get out of their contracts as soon as they have made a bit of money to keep them until old age....

Mike and Whitney got all the "show" ...... but did not find out until later that they had sold their sole to the "business" ...

Sad...

Oh, please... could you stop linking Michael to Whitney?? Two totally different stories and circumstances. And who's to say that the "business" is really to blame for anything? Fame might have been a problem, living under the scrutiny of the world might have been a problem, but poor clueless victims of the business?? Don't really think so. Besides, Michael was out of his contract.

What? maybe you need to read the back story on these two icons of the 80's ... There is more linking them than just the person friendship ... both died in a tragic way ... pushed by the "business" into an overworked drug prep comeback?

But why? .... money that's why? ... who was the money for if MJ was out of contract? ... did these guys need the money?

MJ and Whitney could have done one off TV specials around the world with special guest over a period of years ..... but they had to rush them into world tours pumping them with drugs....

As chaka Khan said of one of her ex managers "you know you'll be worth more dead than alive"

missfee said:

For those who want to falsely blame Bobby for her demise, this article says it all:

Whitney Houston Friend: "Death Is Not Bobby's Fault"

Ted Casablanca, eonline
13 hours ago

Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown

Whitney Houston 's cause of death is still unknown, though that hasn't stopped many from weighing in. And if you listen to some very vocal —and very angry —fans, all the blame could be put on one man: Whitney ex-husband Bobby Brown.

Not so, says a close friend to the late singer, who's known Whitney since before she met the New Edition singer in 1989: "Bobby Brown did not start Whitney Houston on a road that led to her death."

Then what did lead to the super-star's well-documented demise?

"Whitney's death is not Bobby's fault," insisted the Houston source, responding to those allegations that mark Brown as a bad influence and turning point in Houston's life.

"It was Whitney herself," the Houston pal confided. "I think even she has admitted that . And Bobby never forced her to do anything. These were her choices."

Even though it didn't always appear as such.

"All people ever saw," continued Whitney's friend and business colleague "were the drugs, the fighting, Bobby's terrible temper and that horrible reality show."

Meaning Being Bobby Brown, which was arguably the lowest openly self-destructive point in the couple's 14-year marriage. The bickering duo, whose daughter, Bobbi Kristina, often seemed helplessly caught in the crossfire, would attack each other incessantly while the cameras rolled on.

"What people don't know," explained the Houston source, "is that the fighting wasn't just caused by drugs. It really had to do more with Whitney's secrets."

I asked the Houston insider, as well as another friend to the late legend, to elaborate on just what those secrets were. In other words, what was the "biggest devil" that Houston so famously mentioned to Diane Sawyer in 2002?

"That is not for me to say," answered the first Houston source.

The other Whitney friend, who knew the 48-year old performer more socially, would only say:

"This is so very sad. But, I'm sure in a year a book will be written about that very question."

Or sooner.

© 2012 E! Entertainment Television, Inc. All rights reserved., http://comcast.eonline.co.../index.jsp

[Edited 2/15/12 4:32am]

Dreamer2 said:

PatrickS77 said:

Oh, please... could you stop linking Michael to Whitney?? Two totally different stories and circumstances. And who's to say that the "business" is really to blame for anything? Fame might have been a problem, living under the scrutiny of the world might have been a problem, but poor clueless victims of the business?? Don't really think so. Besides, Michael was out of his contract.

What? maybe you need to read the back story on these two icons of the 80's ... There is more linking them than just the person friendship ... both died in a tragic way ... pushed by the "business" into an overworked drug prep comeback?

But why? .... money that's why? ... who was the money for if MJ was out of contract? ... did these guys need the money?

MJ and Whitney could have done one off TV specials around the world with special guest over a period of years ..... but they had to rush them into world tours pumping them with drugs....

As chaka Khan said of one of her ex managers "you know you'll be worth more dead than alive"

I watched Pierce Morgan last night. And a songwriter with short, black hair was on there talking about the dynamics. He asked why didn't any of her friends do anything when they saw Whitney drinking at that party.

She said there was nothing they could do. That if anyone would have tried Whitney would have thrown a fit.But I just think that's an old and tired excuse. I'm sorry; I just do.

I just think somebody should have had the balls enough to try. He/she wouldn't have to talk to Whitney directly. Why not talk to her manager? Why not talk to one of her family members that were there. Was there not a single, responsible person in either Whitney's entourage or in the room a friend couldn't have expressed concerned to?

If all else fails, make an anonymous call to the police! I don't know if the police could have done anything but offer some advice. But at least be on-record as trying to do something.

lazycrockett said:

K can we not do the conspiracy thing? Nothing out of the ordinary was going on. Whitney showed up in LA for the pre grammy party and party she did. Honestly for the last 20 some years off and on Houston did drugs and and enjoyed doing drugs. There is no reason for some sort of bs that her crew "feed her the last dose." Like it or not she has been messed up. No one else is at fault, nor is Whitney just some times you roll the dice and they come up snake eyes.

Dreamer2 said:

PatrickS77 said:

Oh, please... could you stop linking Michael to Whitney?? Two totally different stories and circumstances. And who's to say that the "business" is really to blame for anything? Fame might have been a problem, living under the scrutiny of the world might have been a problem, but poor clueless victims of the business?? Don't really think so. Besides, Michael was out of his contract.

What? maybe you need to read the back story on these two icons of the 80's ... There is more linking them than just the person friendship ... both died in a tragic way ... pushed by the "business" into an overworked drug prep comeback?

But why? .... money that's why? ... who was the money for if MJ was out of contract? ... did these guys need the money?

MJ and Whitney could have done one off TV specials around the world with special guest over a period of years ..... but they had to rush them into world tours pumping them with drugs....

As chaka Khan said of one of her ex managers "you know you'll be worth more dead than alive"

No, it is not the same. Just because they were both working in the music business doesn't mean their stories are the same. I don't recall Whitney being humiliated twice by being accused of the most heinous crime possible. I don't recall Whitney having an abusive father. I don't recall her being torn down by the press relentlessly for something that has not been entirely her fault. No matter how you try to paint the picture of both of them succumbing to the evil music industry, their stories are not the same and it's not that easy as to say, that the business is to blame. Michael died because his doctor was a hack. Whitney died, as it looks at the moment, because she made the mistake of mixing pills and alcohol. Both mishaps, which weren't the logical (or should I say, only possible) outcome of everything that has happened before. Like others have been fortunate, they have been unfortunate.

And why they did it (agreeing to a comeback)?? Maybe it's not just about money... maybe it's about the adoration of the fans, maybe it's about confirmation, maybe it's because that's what they felt they were here to do.

On newsstands this Fri.

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Speaking of the dumb ass commercial music business, this is another thing that really made me mad last night.

Another guest Pierce Morgan had on there was Babyface and David Foster. Pierce asked about Whitney's vocal decline. David said something like, "That's just due to the normal part of the aging process."

What? From my understanding, opera singers don't even hit their primes vocally until their 30's. Heck, a lot of them can sing well until their 50's and 60's--their voices only maturing, not necessarily losing range. Look at Aretha Franklin for goodness sakes, and she's not an opera singer!

I cannot even believe David Foster wouldn't mention there was a possibility Whitney Houston suffered from vocal polyps. Hell... Adele just had surgery to remove vocal polyps and she's what...23 years-old? Chaka even mentioned having suffered from vocal polyps.

A lot of times, those polyps are result of poor technique as well as other abuses. Rachel Ray even suffered from them, and had to be retrained how support her voice without straining it. Julie Andrews lost her voice from them!

David Foster should have worked with enough vocalists by now to at least mention the possibility, for goodness sakes. Or is he just completely clueless?

Who are these people?

I just couldn't even believe it.

banks said:

OzlemUcucu said:

It's kinda weird, but where is Prince? He has not said anything about this so far.. he's supposed to.

why does he have to make a public statement? for all we know he could have reached out to Cissy and the family in private.. I don't recall him ever making a public statment about his peers that have passed on.

I agree, when has Prince really made any statements about anyone passing. And if he was not a friend of hers why would he make some statement just to be part of the herd?

Times like this I am almost happy he is as much of a "recluse" as he is, that he is not running around making statements in connection with someone just to have his name out there.

Whitney Houston Had Premonition About Death

Identity said:

Prince never spoke about the deaths of his own parents, which I found rather strange. That said, I don't expect him to comment on Whitney's tragic passing.

I don't. It was a private thing and in this day and age with everyone doing everything publicly, his grasp on privacy is a bit refreshing.

Sometimes fans think that artist owe them something. That they owe us an accounting on every aspect of their lives. They don't. His parents passed, I am sure he mourned them with his family and close friends, same as we would do.

Whether he was friends with Whitney, I don't know. He probably called Chaka, maybe her family, maybe not, but one thing is for sure, he doesn't showboat and grandstand. He is not in a public forum to make a public statement. Had he been at the Grammy's and questioned, I am sure he would have given the proper response, but as he wasn't, there is no need to put anything out there.

banks said:

Whitney Houston Had Premonition About Death

Whitney Houston told friends she "really wanted to see Jesus" in the days before her death ... and claimed she had a feeling the end was near for her ... this according to several of Whitney's friends.

TMZ has learned ... Whitney had been very spiritual in her final days ... quoting the bible, singing hymns and engaging in intense conversations about Jesus Christ and the afterlife with her close friends and family members.

We're told .... on Friday , one day after she performed, "Yes Jesus Loves Me" at Tru nightclub in Hollywood, Whitney told one of her friends, "I'm gonna go see Jesus ... I want to see Jesus."

The next morning, hours before her death, Whitney was discussing a bible passage involving John the Baptist and Jesus ... when Houston flashed a big smile and remarked, "You know, he's so cool ... I really want to see that Jesus."

Another source tells us ... Whitney had been telling friends she "felt like her time was coming" ... and wanted to make sure she spent her time praising her lord and savior whenever she could.

Unfortunately, Whitney's premonition came true.

Sounds to me if this is true, she knew she was playing with fire, but probably so screwed-up to do anything about it.

IF and that's a big IF all of this is true, it sounds to me like she had given up.

Plus, I bet she was depressed... about a lot of things.

I just don't buy into the notion it's was all Whitney's fault. Or let's say, I WON'T buy into the notion until I see some evidence somebody indeed went above and beyond the call of duty to help her.

Her daughter couldn't do it... She's just a kid, for goodness sakes.

As Chaka said, Whitney she NEVER have gone to LA without somebody reputable to keep the losers away. I, personally, don't think she should have gone at all under any circumstances.

deadmansbones said:

Speaking of the dumb ass commercial music business, this is another thing that really made me mad last night.

Another guest Pierce Morgan had on there was Babyface and David Foster. Pierce asked about Whitney's vocal decline. David said something like, "That's just due to the normal part of the aging process."

What? From my understanding, opera singers don't even hit their primes vocally until their 30's. Heck, a lot of them can sing well until their 50's and 60's--their voices only maturing, not necessarily losing range. Look at Aretha Franklin for goodness sakes, and she's not an opera singer!

I cannot even believe David Foster wouldn't mention there was a possibility Whitney Houston suffered from vocal polyps. Hell... Adele just had surgery to remove vocal polyps and she's what...23 years-old? Chaka even mentioned having suffered from vocal polyps.

A lot of times, those polyps are result of poor technique as well as other abuses. Rachel Ray even suffered from them, and had to be retrained how support her voice without straining it. Julie Andrews lost her voice from them!

David Foster should have worked with enough vocalists by now to at least mention the possibility, for goodness sakes. Or is he just completely clueless?

Who are these people?

I just couldn't even believe it.

Maybe Foster didn't want to speculate too much about Whitney's diminished singing voice, so he pointed toward the natural aging process. The question is this: If the central problem was vocal cord nodules or polyps, why wasn't she seeking medical treatment to have the damaged tissue removed?

silverchild said:

I didn't know whether to laugh or cringe at this. I found it heartfelt and disgusting at the same time. Typical Wendy.

This interview was the wrongest shit I have ever seen......and by the way, I think she had Bobby on there not too long ago and didn't even address him, and he is the one she had met. For her to sit there and cry........whatever

PatrickS77 said:

lazycrockett said:

K can we not do the conspiracy thing? Nothing out of the ordinary was going on. Whitney showed up in LA for the pre grammy party and party she did. Honestly for the last 20 some years off and on Houston did drugs and and enjoyed doing drugs. There is no reason for some sort of bs that her crew "feed her the last dose." Like it or not she has been messed up. No one else is at fault, nor is Whitney just some times you roll the dice and they come up snake eyes.

Yeah. As it appears she was just unlucky (or stupid) in mixing pills with alcohol (should that really turn out to be the cause of death).

Smh at all these smartass, wiseass, theorizing, assuming, speculating, gossiping people in this thread. You all should really apply for a job at the enquirer. Geez.

What? maybe you need to read the back story on these two icons of the 80's ... There is more linking them than just the person friendship ... both died in a tragic way ... pushed by the "business" into an overworked drug prep comeback?

But why? .... money that's why? ... who was the money for if MJ was out of contract? ... did these guys need the money?

MJ and Whitney could have done one off TV specials around the world with special guest over a period of years ..... but they had to rush them into world tours pumping them with drugs....

As chaka Khan said of one of her ex managers "you know you'll be worth more dead than alive"

No, it is not the same. Just because they were both working in the music business doesn't mean their stories are the same. I don't recall Whitney being humiliated twice by being accused of the most heinous crime possible. I don't recall Whitney having an abusive father. I don't recall her being torn down by the press relentlessly for something that has not been entirely her fault. No matter how you try to paint the picture of both of them succumbing to the evil music industry, their stories are not the same and it's not that easy as to say, that the business is to blame. Michael died because his doctor was a hack. Whitney died, as it looks at the moment, because she made the mistake of mixing pills and alcohol. Both mishaps, which weren't the logical (or should I say, only possible) outcome of everything that has happened before. Like others have been fortunate, they have been unfortunate.

And why they did it (agreeing to a comeback)?? Maybe it's not just about money... maybe it's about the adoration of the fans, maybe it's about confirmation, maybe it's because that's what they felt they were here to do.

Yep it's about the money, look if it was just about the music they would just go into the studio write, record and upload to the internet itunes .... easy.... strike a deal with a newspaper to put out a free CD out or do a run in LAS VEGAS...

The whole big over the top "stage show" world tour was beyond both of them ... pushed on them like the "doctors" pills they took by "the business of show" ...

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deadmansbones said:

Speaking of the dumb ass commercial music business, this is another thing that really made me mad last night.

Another guest Pierce Morgan had on there was Babyface and David Foster. Pierce asked about Whitney's vocal decline. David said something like, "That's just due to the normal part of the aging process."

What? From my understanding, opera singers don't even hit their primes vocally until their 30's. Heck, a lot of them can sing well until their 50's and 60's--their voices only maturing, not necessarily losing range. Look at Aretha Franklin for goodness sakes, and she's not an opera singer!

I cannot even believe David Foster wouldn't mention there was a possibility Whitney Houston suffered from vocal polyps. Hell... Adele just had surgery to remove vocal polyps and she's what...23 years-old? Chaka even mentioned having suffered from vocal polyps.

A lot of times, those polyps are result of poor technique as well as other abuses. Rachel Ray even suffered from them, and had to be retrained how support her voice without straining it. Julie Andrews lost her voice from them!

David Foster should have worked with enough vocalists by now to at least mention the possibility, for goodness sakes. Or is he just completely clueless?

Who are these people?

I just couldn't even believe it.

Maybe Foster didn't want to speculate too much about Whitney's diminished singing voice, so he pointed toward the natural aging process. The question is this: If the central problem was vocal cord nodules or polyps, why wasn't she seeking medical treatment to have the damaged tissue removed?

But he did speculate by saying it was part of the natural aging process. In fact, his speculation was not necessarily accurate. A lot singers don't lose vocal range due to aging,necessarily.

Besides Whitney was only 48, correct? It's not like she was 68.

This is the thing. I understand how speculation can be annoying and irresponsible. At the same time, it's equally irresponsible not to discuss the realities of being a vocalist either--particularly in pop music where good vocal training is not necessarily emphasized.

Kelly Clarkson had vocal polyps. I'm not sure she had surgery, but I believe I read she was diagnosed.

If Whitney had polyps it may have well been due to a combination of factors. From what I could tell in some of her past interviews, her speaking voice had been hoarse for years. She may have been diagnosed but was afraid to have surgery. At the same time, what surgeon is going to risk operating on a drug addict? Even if it were possible, polyps can recur without proper care. So I would imagine, treating Whitney for even vocal problems would have been very complicated. But that doesn't negate the fact she clearly had vocal problems.

The same thing is true about Whitney's death. It very well be she died from some other cause besides an accidental overdose. But that doesn't negate the fact drug use had taken their toll on her physically and emotionally.

It's just like with Amy Winehouse, Heath Ledger, Anna Nicole Smith, Michael Jackson among others. Everyone is always saying, "Let's not speculate..." But then weeks later it turns out that all the speculation was indeed correct.

As I said, technically speaking, Jim Morrison died of a heart attack while in a bathtub in Paris. He was there, trying to keep clean. He wasn't even 30 years old when he died, right? He may have not died specifically as a result of a drug overdose. But..the physical toll of his drug and alcohol abuse may have contributed to his premature death.

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