Lets say MJ was still alive, and he was called upon to do another superbowl show. Do you think he would have done a live performance?

Black or White live- from This is It

Nope

Exactly. Remember before he died, MJ was still a pariah in America (well, America at least) and regularly dismissed as Whacko Jacko, Skeletor, etc.

Hell his music didn't become publicly respectable as classic pop again until his death, when his celebrity (good, bad, & the weird of it) no longer polluted that discussion.

I said at the time, I still say it as cruel as it sounds: Dying was the best career break for MJ at that time.

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RRA said:

RRA said:

Exactly. Remember before he died, MJ was still a pariah in America (well, America at least) and regularly dismissed as Whacko Jacko, Skeletor, etc.

Hell his music didn't become publicly respectable as classic pop again until his death, when his celebrity (good, bad, & the weird of it) no longer polluted that discussion.

I said at the time, I still say it as cruel as it sounds: Dying was the best career break for MJ at that time.

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That is kind of an over-simplification...but whatever!

The dude had just got finished selling out 50 shows at a 17,000-18,000 seat arena in one city in under 4 hours, and AEG said that the demand was there to do another 50. His michaeljacksonlive.com site crashed due to the traffic and ticketmasters servers crashed due to the traffic.

Would he have sold 50 million records in the years after his death? No. Would he have broken every single digital sales record in the years after his death? No. Like many feats accomplished by Michael Jackson in his career- those kind of figures will probably never be seen again by anybody..ever.

But newsflash: Prince, U2, Madge, Rolling Stones, Bruce- none of them sell a whole lot of records these days. They make all their money touring, and I think by selling out those 50 shows in like 4 hours that there was a definite demand for Michael Jackson to get on the road and perform and that he would have destroyed every and all box office touring records had he stayed alive and been able to go on a world tour.

No. Maybe pre-recorded vocals but nothing live.

musicjunky318 said:

No. Maybe pre-recorded vocals but nothing live.

Honestly, I would actually not want MJ to do it. He already did it...he started/created the super bowl half-time show as we know it today. No reason for him to do it again.

And honestly, as This Is It film showed, Michael was a shell of what he used to be and that for me is really hard to watch and swallow. I know it was only rehersals but I have many DVD's of him doing shows during the Bad tour and even a Victory tour, and also the Dangerous tour.

He was just not that guy any more. Age had caught up to him as it does all of us.

Kinda like Michael Jordan playing for the Wizzards. It just did not sit well with me.

realtalk said:

musicjunky318 said:

No. Maybe pre-recorded vocals but nothing live.

Honestly, I would actually not want MJ to do it. He already did it...he started/created the super bowl half-time show as we know it today. No reason for him to do it again.

And honestly, as This Is It film showed, Michael was a shell of what he used to be and that for me is really hard to watch and swallow. I know it was only rehersals but I have many DVD's of him doing shows during the Bad tour and even a Victory tour, and also the Dangerous tour.

He was just not that guy any more. Age had caught up to him as it does all of us.

Kinda like Michael Jordan playing for the Wizzards. It just did not sit well with me.

This was in 2002 and he went-in in this performance. One of my favorites period.

Let's face it, Michael Jackson was a one trick pony.

Yeah, I said it:

If he was doing the Super Bowl today, he woulda performed the same

damn dance routine he's been doing since "Beat It" and "Billie Jean."

It was an awesome, brilliant, masterful one trick, though.

you mean like sing live? NO why would he? some of that TII footage is really neat but I don't even think he planned on singing one of those concerts completely live.

duccichucka said:

Let's face it, Michael Jackson was a one trick pony.

Yeah, I said it:

If he was doing the Super Bowl today, he woulda performed the same

damn dance routine he's been doing since "Beat It" and "Billie Jean."

It was an awesome, brilliant, masterful one trick, though.

Ummmm....no?

I'd agree towards the end of his career he wasn't what he used to be, but if you think Michael Jackson was a one-trick pony....then I don't know what to say...other than....what the fuck are you smoking and can I have some of that shit?

matthewgrant said:

you mean like sing live? NO why would he? some of that TII footage is really neat but I don't even think he planned on singing one of those concerts completely live.

He stopped singing live completely after the Bad tour.

It's hard to sing live though at 50+ years of age AND dance and run around the stage for 2-3 hours a night every damn night.

The guy wasn't 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 in his prime at the height of his powers anymore where he could do that.

realtalk said:

matthewgrant said:

you mean like sing live? NO why would he? some of that TII footage is really neat but I don't even think he planned on singing one of those concerts completely live.

He stopped singing live completely after the Bad tour.

It's hard to sing live though at 50+ years of age AND dance and run around the stage for 2-3 hours a night every damn night.

The guy wasn't 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 in his prime at the height of his powers anymore where he could do that.

musicjunky318 said:

realtalk said:

Honestly, I would actually not want MJ to do it. He already did it...he started/created the super bowl half-time show as we know it today. No reason for him to do it again.

And honestly, as This Is It film showed, Michael was a shell of what he used to be and that for me is really hard to watch and swallow. I know it was only rehersals but I have many DVD's of him doing shows during the Bad tour and even a Victory tour, and also the Dangerous tour.

He was just not that guy any more. Age had caught up to him as it does all of us.

Kinda like Michael Jordan playing for the Wizzards. It just did not sit well with me.

This was in 2002 and he went-in in this performance. One of my favorites period.

as much as I am not a fan of that type of thing, that was an awesome performance. He was a more polished dancer by that point. He damn near looked like a robot, for better and for worse

That's the Michael that I'd want to see at a Super Bowl...and he just wasn't that dude anymore at age 50.

i totally disagree with most of you,

i think if they asked michael to do the super bowl today he would do one of 2 things..

1) say no (because of the way americans treated him when he was alive)..

or

2) make sure it was the best damn half time show there has ever been, i feel like he would have sang live (except for major dance numbers) , michael was ready to comeback, michael was ready to show the world why he is called the king of pop, and if he were to do the super bowl today, i honestly believe 100% it would be like nothing ever scene before, it would be amazing.

musicjunky318 said:

realtalk said:

musicjunky318 said:

No. Maybe pre-recorded vocals but nothing live.

Honestly, I would actually not want MJ to do it. He already did it...he started/created the super bowl half-time show as we know it today. No reason for him to do it again.

And honestly, as This Is It film showed, Michael was a shell of what he used to be and that for me is really hard to watch and swallow. I know it was only rehersals but I have many DVD's of him doing shows during the Bad tour and even a Victory tour, and also the Dangerous tour.

He was just not that guy any more. Age had caught up to him as it does all of us.

Kinda like Michael Jordan playing for the Wizzards. It just did not sit well with me.

if you look at the rehersals from the dangerous tour or even the bad tour you will see that michael did not go full out in rehersals, and michael was putting much more effort in the this is it rehersals than the dangerous rehersals, he was ready.

note:im not trying to "bash" you in any way, (just wanna make that clear ) but to say he "was not that guy anymore" or "age caught up with him" is just not true.

comparison:

dangerous tour rehersal:

this is it rehersal

dangerous rehersal

this is it rehersal

realtalk said:

duccichucka said:

Let's face it, Michael Jackson was a one trick pony.

Yeah, I said it:

If he was doing the Super Bowl today, he woulda performed the same

damn dance routine he's been doing since "Beat It" and "Billie Jean."

It was an awesome, brilliant, masterful one trick, though.

Ummmm....no?

I'd agree towards the end of his career he wasn't what he used to be, but if you think Michael Jackson was a one-trick pony....then I don't know what to say...other than....what the fuck are you smoking and can I have some of that shit?

Virgin lungs can't handle the hash I smoke, kid; be careful of what you wish for!

But seriously, point out to me the artistic evolution of Michael Jackson from Thriller up until

Invincible. Sure, the beats on the albums in between changed, where Thriller contains

Jones's polished R&B stylings and Dangerous is new-jack swing, but why would I expect

Michael Jackson to come out on stage in 2012 and deliver a show that we haven't ever seen

before?

He had his arsenal (they certainly were amazing) of dance moves, choreography (the

ubiquitous military theme), musicians (lead guitarist is a female), etc but I still think that

if MJ was to do a Super Bowl today, it wouldn't be any different than the one he did about

20 years ago: kids, interracial gospel choir, spins...

I mean, Is This It? shows you that the series of shows he had lined up in London were going

to be the same shit he's been doing for 20+ years, down to him twisting his taped finger

around emphatically at the end of a dance move!

I realize mine is probably going to be an unpopular opinion and in no way am I trying to

diss MJ - I'm just answering the question at hand: if he did the Super Bowl today, it wouldnt

be any different than the one he did when it was the Bills vs the Cowboys.

duccichucka said:

realtalk said:

Ummmm....no?

I'd agree towards the end of his career he wasn't what he used to be, but if you think Michael Jackson was a one-trick pony....then I don't know what to say...other than....what the fuck are you smoking and can I have some of that shit?

Virgin lungs can't handle the hash I smoke, kid; be careful of what you wish for!

But seriously, point out to me the artistic evolution of Michael Jackson from Thriller up until

Invincible. Sure, the beats on the albums in between changed, where Thriller contains

Jones's polished R&B stylings and Dangerous is new-jack swing, but why would I expect

Michael Jackson to come out on stage in 2012 and deliver a show that we haven't ever seen

before?

He had his arsenal (they certainly were amazing) of dance moves, choreography (the

ubiquitous military theme), musicians (lead guitarist is a female), etc but I still think that

if MJ was to do a Super Bowl today, it wouldn't be any different than the one he did about

20 years ago: kids, interracial gospel choir, spins...

I mean, Is This It? shows you that the series of shows he had lined up in London were going

to be the same shit he's been doing for 20+ years, down to him twisting his taped finger

around emphatically at the end of a dance move!

I realize mine is probably going to be an unpopular opinion and in no way am I trying to

diss MJ - I'm just answering the question at hand: if he did the Super Bowl today, it wouldnt

be any different than the one he did when it was the Bills vs the Cowboys.

dude...idk why you are arguing with me...read what I wrote in this thread! I kinda agree with much of this...not all...and I said I wouldn't want him to do a SB half-time show.

I think Michael fell off after History. But the guy was in his god damn 40's when Invincible came out. He did have his moments in that 30th Special on CBS, and I did like a few songs on Invincible (especially Butterflies) but he was clearly not the same guy. Like I said, it was like Jordan playing for the Wizzards. Just not the same guy.

Can't be a pop music god forever, age does catch up.

Some of yall dumb as hell if your going to base REHEARSAL FOOTAGE on the ability of a 50 year old when its not full out numbers....

Dumb fucks

I would have LOVE for Michael to do Superbowl again!!!!!!!!!!!

You've got to be kidding me. Maybe people weren't saying they like him, but his music was still selling before his death and people were doing tributes on shows like American Idol and ABDC and so forth. I would argue that he was seen as classic pop and "not good anymore" before his death by people, or people just saying he was good for Thriller. And if you lived in urban areas with more minorities, regardless of race (not to say every single person though) you were most likely to find people who casually liked MJ or at least respected him than not.

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realtalk said:

matthewgrant said:

you mean like sing live? NO why would he? some of that TII footage is really neat but I don't even think he planned on singing one of those concerts completely live.

He stopped singing live completely after the Bad tour.

It's hard to sing live though at 50+ years of age AND dance and run around the stage for 2-3 hours a night every damn night.

The guy wasn't 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 in his prime at the height of his powers anymore where he could do that.

Thats FALSE.... he sung live on the Dangerous Tour as well...

realtalk said:

duccichucka said:

Virgin lungs can't handle the hash I smoke, kid; be careful of what you wish for!

But seriously, point out to me the artistic evolution of Michael Jackson from Thriller up until

Invincible. Sure, the beats on the albums in between changed, where Thriller contains

Jones's polished R&B stylings and Dangerous is new-jack swing, but why would I expect

Michael Jackson to come out on stage in 2012 and deliver a show that we haven't ever seen

before?

He had his arsenal (they certainly were amazing) of dance moves, choreography (the

ubiquitous military theme), musicians (lead guitarist is a female), etc but I still think that

if MJ was to do a Super Bowl today, it wouldn't be any different than the one he did about

20 years ago: kids, interracial gospel choir, spins...

I mean, Is This It? shows you that the series of shows he had lined up in London were going

to be the same shit he's been doing for 20+ years, down to him twisting his taped finger

around emphatically at the end of a dance move!

I realize mine is probably going to be an unpopular opinion and in no way am I trying to

diss MJ - I'm just answering the question at hand: if he did the Super Bowl today, it wouldnt

be any different than the one he did when it was the Bills vs the Cowboys.

dude...idk why you are arguing with me...read what I wrote in this thread! I kinda agree with much of this...not all...and I said I wouldn't want him to do a SB half-time show.

I think Michael fell off after History. But the guy was in his god damn 40's when Invincible came out. He did have his moments in that 30th Special on CBS, and I did like a few songs on Invincible (especially Butterflies) but he was clearly not the same guy. Like I said, it was like Jordan playing for the Wizzards. Just not the same guy.

Can't be a pop music god forever, age does catch up.

Because I said MJ was a one trick pony (and then enumerated the reasons why I think he

was a one trick pony) and you said that in order for me to have formed that opinion, I

must've been high, tantamount to accusing me of saying something stupid.

MJ's show/routine stopped being evolutionary or creative when he was finished with Bad;

old age has nothing to do with it. He could've been artistically lazy, smug, or complacent but

when he was in his 30s, he stopped evolving. He knew he was going down as the greatest

entertainer that ever lived and I'm wondering if he stopped progressing afterwards -because

you can't look at Is This It? or the 30th Special or the HIStory tour or the Dangerous world

tour and say it's different or better than the Bad tour.

He had the greatest one trick in showbiz of all time but I stand by my opinion and take

nothing away from his legacy.

duccichucka said:

realtalk said:

dude...idk why you are arguing with me...read what I wrote in this thread! I kinda agree with much of this...not all...and I said I wouldn't want him to do a SB half-time show.

I think Michael fell off after History. But the guy was in his god damn 40's when Invincible came out. He did have his moments in that 30th Special on CBS, and I did like a few songs on Invincible (especially Butterflies) but he was clearly not the same guy. Like I said, it was like Jordan playing for the Wizzards. Just not the same guy.

Can't be a pop music god forever, age does catch up.

Because I said MJ was a one trick pony (and then enumerated the reasons why I think he

was a one trick pony) and you said that in order for me to have formed that opinion, I

must've been high, tantamount to accusing me of saying something stupid.

MJ's show/routine stopped being evolutionary or creative when he was finished with Bad;

old age has nothing to do with it. He could've been artistically lazy, smug, or complacent but

when he was in his 30s, he stopped evolving. He knew he was going down as the greatest

entertainer that ever lived and I'm wondering if he stopped progressing afterwards -because

you can't look at Is This It? or the 30th Special or the HIStory tour or the Dangerous world

tour and say it's different or better than the Bad tour.

He had the greatest one trick in showbiz of all time but I stand by my opinion and take

nothing away from his legacy.

Crack is wack.... thats all Im going to say...

mjscarousal said:

duccichucka said:

Because I said MJ was a one trick pony (and then enumerated the reasons why I think he

was a one trick pony) and you said that in order for me to have formed that opinion, I

must've been high, tantamount to accusing me of saying something stupid.

MJ's show/routine stopped being evolutionary or creative when he was finished with Bad;

old age has nothing to do with it. He could've been artistically lazy, smug, or complacent but

when he was in his 30s, he stopped evolving. He knew he was going down as the greatest

entertainer that ever lived and I'm wondering if he stopped progressing afterwards -because

you can't look at Is This It? or the 30th Special or the HIStory tour or the Dangerous world

tour and say it's different or better than the Bad tour.

He had the greatest one trick in showbiz of all time but I stand by my opinion and take

nothing away from his legacy.

Crack is wack.... thats all Im going to say...

I'm willing to bet that you've never smoked crack.

Crack is not wack; being addicted to crack is wack. Get your anti-drug

slogans straight, kid.

I'm changing my tune anyways; brushing yo' teef gives one perspective: MJ was in

the biz since he was a child. So I guess peaking in his 30s ain't so bad; plus he

may have thought that his formula up until the Bad years was killer and didn't feel the

need to tweak his set as long as his audience didn't ask him to.

duccichucka said:

realtalk said:

Ummmm....no?

I'd agree towards the end of his career he wasn't what he used to be, but if you think Michael Jackson was a one-trick pony....then I don't know what to say...other than....what the fuck are you smoking and can I have some of that shit?

Virgin lungs can't handle the hash I smoke, kid; be careful of what you wish for!

But seriously, point out to me the artistic evolution of Michael Jackson from Thriller up until

Invincible. Sure, the beats on the albums in between changed, where Thriller contains

Jones's polished R&B stylings and Dangerous is new-jack swing, but why would I expect

Michael Jackson to come out on stage in 2012 and deliver a show that we haven't ever seen

before?

He had his arsenal (they certainly were amazing) of dance moves, choreography (the

ubiquitous military theme), musicians (lead guitarist is a female), etc but I still think that

if MJ was to do a Super Bowl today, it wouldn't be any different than the one he did about

20 years ago: kids, interracial gospel choir, spins...

I mean, Is This It? shows you that the series of shows he had lined up in London were going

to be the same shit he's been doing for 20+ years, down to him twisting his taped finger

around emphatically at the end of a dance move!

I realize mine is probably going to be an unpopular opinion and in no way am I trying to

diss MJ - I'm just answering the question at hand: if he did the Super Bowl today, it wouldnt

be any different than the one he did when it was the Bills vs the Cowboys.

duccichucka said:

mjscarousal said:

Crack is wack.... thats all Im going to say...

I'm willing to bet that you've never smoked crack.

Crack is not wack; being addicted to crack is wack. Get your anti-drug

slogans straight, kid.

I'm changing my tune anyways; brushing yo' teef gives one perspective: MJ was in

the biz since he was a child. So I guess peaking in his 30s ain't so bad; plus he

may have thought that his formula up until the Bad years was killer and didn't feel the

need to tweak his set as long as his audience didn't ask him to.

No I havent... I practice what I preach...

Secondly, you need to quit with spitting foolishness with Michael peaking after BAD which is utter bullshit...he was at the height of his creativity.. Dangerous and History are some of his best works... He peaked after History...

You sound like a angry MJ fan... what happened?

Its either that, crack, or trolling

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