bellanoche said:

domeng13 said:

Overrated? Whose standards? Well of course yours. I know this is a primarily a Prince site. And we respect the artist. But you not liking Madonna and always comparing the Purple One to her will only highlight the insecurity that you feel. I accept the fact that you don't like Madonna and have expressed it clearly, though your reasons are anchored on the fact that you just hate her and her success that you thought could only be achieved by your kind of talented people. You said you love the visual element. She is the visual element. At 36 you have more to watch and more to learn.

You and some of these other Madonna fans are so completely illogical that I now understand why you stan for her. What standards would someone have other than their own for judging someone? If airbak finds Madonna overrated, she is entitled to that if Madonna's "talents" do not meet her expectations. This is a Prince site, yes, but that is not fodder to dismiss legitimate observations about Madonna's mediocrity. If you compare Madonna to any of the big artists of the 1980s, she falls short. She is nowhere near as naturally talented as Prince, MJ, Bruce, Whitney or Sade. She is not the visual element, she is the gimmick. She is not great at anything beyond media manipulation. I do not like her because for me, there is nothing for me to like about her as an "artist." She is not original. She is a very limited "singer." She is an average dancer at best. Her songs are catchy pop tunes with no real staying power. I like Dress You Up, Holiday, Human Natur and Get into the Groove, but these are not great songs. I do not think there is a "great song in her catalogue.

Your talk of hate and insecurity belie an unhealthy connection to the talentless wonder that you are so in love with. Why would a Prince fan feel insecure about anything Madonna has done? His catalogue is unparalleled in its breadth, diversity and quality. What serious musician has ever praised Madonna? “Entertainers” might enjoy her spectacle, but serious musicians see her for what she is – an overblown pop artist who would have been a few-hit wonder were it not for her crafty media savvy and the media’s willingness to prop her up as something more than she is. At 53, Prince's natural talent, musicianship and showmanship mean that he does not have to reduce himself to a visual spectacle like Madonna to garner attention. Her talented counterparts from the 1980s are still making good, adult music without desperately pandering to young audiences, trying to suck the life out of other mediocre current artists like Britney, LMFAO, Nicki Minaj and M.I.A for a hint of relevance.

I don’t like Lady Gaga, but at least she is talented. It is funny that Madonna called Lady GaGa reductive. I have never seen a greater instance of the pot calling the kettle black. Talk about someone feeling insecure. However, at least Gaga can sing and play piano. What about your girl?

She is nowhere near as naturally talented as Prince, MJ, Bruce, Whitney or Sade. - who said she was? Not even Madonna claimed to be naturally talented. She had to work hard for everything that she has right now.

I like Dress You Up, Holiday, Human Natur and Get into the Groove, but these are not great songs. I do not think there is a "great song in her catalogue. - What is a great song? Again whose criteria? Yours!

Why would a Prince fan feel insecure about anything Madonna has done? - Not why would a Prince fan feel insecure...why would YOU feel insecure. Prince doesn't give a damn about Madonna...so why would you?

She is not the visual element, she is the gimmick.- And you saw her right...so it's visual.

She is not great at anything beyond media manipulation. - That's true...the greatest achievement of Madonna...is to be Madonna.

Her songs are catchy pop tunes with no real staying power. - This is where you show your insecurity.

Your talk of hate and insecurity belie an unhealthy connection to the talentless wonder that you are so in love with. - That's why it's love.

At 53, Prince's natural talent, musicianship and showmanship mean that he does not have to reduce himself to a visual spectacle like Madonna to garner attention. - And I respect this. But why again...compare her to Madonna?

Her talented counterparts from the 1980s are still making good, adult music without desperately pandering to young audiences, trying to suck the life out of other mediocre current artists like Britney, LMFAO, Nicki Minaj and M.I.A for a hint of relevance. - Cyndi is Cyndi...Annie is Annie...Sade is Sade....great artists all. Again why drag Madonna into this?

I don’t like Lady Gaga, but at least she is talented. It is funny that Madonna called Lady GaGa reductive.- And Madonna saw this too...if you followed them both and watched that whole interview where that reductive comment was first seen...then you would know better. The expression says it all. It's SNL part two.

What about your girl? - Simply the queen.

It all comes back to a strong woman having lots of power, and everyone who is made uncomfortable by that feeling the need to question her every qualification.

Just about 30 years into her career she is still being talked about like no one else, still has the power to have a hit single, a #1 album, etc. She's Madonna, and if you don't like her, by now you should have learned to just get over it.

airbak said:

domeng13 said:

Overrated? Whose standards? Well of course yours. I know this is a primarily a Prince site. And we respect the artist. But you not liking Madonna and always comparing the Purple One to her will only highlight the insecurity that you feel. I accept the fact that you don't like Madonna and have expressed it clearly, though your reasons are anchored on the fact that you just hate her and her success that you thought could only be achieved by your kind of talented people. You said you love the visual element. She is the visual element. At 36 you have more to watch and more to learn.

If you had read my posts regarding Madonna, you would have clearly understood my position. I said that I do like some of her music but that she is OVERRATED! Lyrically, theory/composition wise her songs aren't anything to write home about. They are simply catchy pop songs. I put her in the same category as I do Brittany Spears or others of this cloak. This has nothing to do with this being a Prince site, but everything to do with my well-trained eye and measure for quality. I'm sorry that you have lower expectations and are obviously content with a lower standard for music and "performance" for that matter. Also, if you had clearly understood my points of view, you would have seen that I compared her to several artists from the 80s. The Prince comparison was made because in addition to being a popular 80s artist, they both performed at the Superbowl. You mention her being a "visual element" but that "performance" wasn't worth the visual.

but everything to do with my well-trained eye and measure for quality. I'm sorry that you have lower expectations and are obviously content with a lower standard for music and "performance" for that matter. - Then so be it...you have a well-trained eye. So why wait for anything that we say? Maybe the comparison was made because M fans said that the SB performance was the greatest ever. And all you have to do is explain why you believe that Prince's performance was in fact the greatest (it was live...he played instruments....etc. etc. etc.) but you have to say that Madonna is overrated.

You mention her being a "visual element" but that "performance" wasn't worth the visual. - I rest my case.

If you had read my posts regarding Madonna, you would have clearly understood my position. I said that I do like some of her music but that she is OVERRATED! - For the legions of critics and academicians who think that Madonna is a great artist, there are those who don't believe so...including you. I think the ratio is 1:2 (one believer for every 2 non-believers) and therefore not overrated....overhated more likely.

RKJCNE said:

It all comes back to a strong woman having lots of power, and everyone who is made uncomfortable by that feeling the need to question her every qualification.

wrong

asg said:

SoulAlive said:

You hate her but yet you watched her performance anyway that's what I'm talking about: even the haters follow her every career move.

I watch everyone superbowl performance just so i can make a comparison. I didnt see her other performance even thou some fan bois claim she was singing live 90%. as i said another thing i have in common with madonna we both never sang on the superbowl half time show.

And that is because you will never be invited....

RKJCNE said:

It all comes back to a strong woman having lots of power, and everyone who is made uncomfortable by that feeling the need to question her every qualification.

Just about 30 years into her career she is still being talked about like no one else, still has the power to have a hit single, a #1 album, etc. She's Madonna, and if you don't like her, by now you should have learned to just get over it.

Right!

domeng13 said:

RKJCNE said:

It all comes back to a strong woman having lots of power, and everyone who is made uncomfortable by that feeling the need to question her every qualification.

Just about 30 years into her career she is still being talked about like no one else, still has the power to have a hit single, a #1 album, etc. She's Madonna, and if you don't like her, by now you should have learned to just get over it.

Right!

First part is wrong: not everyone dislikes her because of her female empowerment . There are other reasons.

Second part is correct: shes a dynamo still relevant in the biz after 30 years, no body can deny that regardless of what anyone thinks of gher, her talent etc etc.

Just clarifying my intial statement(s)

RKJCNE said:

It all comes back to a strong woman having lots of power, and everyone who is made uncomfortable by that feeling the need to question her every qualification.

Just about 30 years into her career she is still being talked about like no one else, still has the power to have a hit single, a #1 album, etc. She's Madonna, and if you don't like her, by now you should have learned to just get over it.

RKJCNE said:

I wonder did Prince watch it?

Astasheiks said:

I wonder did Prince watch it?

you know he did

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NaughtyKitty said:

This thread is bigger than the MJ sticky!

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Well it should be. Afterall, Michael's dead. He had like 50 RIP threads (A record on this site i'm sure) and has had a sticky on this site for almost 3 years now. It's not like MJ fans have new performances,appearences or albums to talk about anymore tho, so of course her thread is bigger.

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OMG is that supposed to be Madonna?????

jngnrgnrn

RKJCNE said:

It all comes back to a strong woman having lots of power, and everyone who is made uncomfortable by that feeling the need to question her every qualification.

Just about 30 years into her career she is still being talked about like no one else, still has the power to have a hit single, a #1 album, etc. She's Madonna, and if you don't like her, by now you should have learned to just get over it.

I have \no problem with her success but she didnt sing a note all her show was built up with over the top production which hide all her weaknesses.

For once i wanted her to stand on her 2 feet and she didnt want to

http://music.uk.msn.com/t...her-throne

Madonna v Lady Gaga: How the Queen of Pop reclaimed her throne

For the last three years it has seemed as if The Queen of Pop was a title we only bestowed on Madonna as an affectionate courtesy for all the work she's put in, and that the real crown was actually now firmly on the head of Lady Gaga (when she isn't wearing a cup, some ham or a fascinator made out of beagles and moon rocks).

At the half-time of a sporting event we can't begin to fathom, Madonna changed the game.

Or more accurately, Madonna used the 2012 Super Bowl to remind everyone that the game is hers and that she is still the best pop star we've got, and any young pretender, no matter how ambitious/creative/deranged, is going to have to work a whole lot harder for a whole lot longer to even get near the ball.

Long gone are the days when the pop world was ruled by giants. Madonna, Michael Jackson and Prince once strode about the Earth performing vast, dazzling, theatrically thrilling, stadium-busting concerts other acts could only dream about (as their accountants pointed to the bank balance and shook their heads).

Now, even our biggest stars seem to exist on a more manageable scale.

Certainly pop concerts are still big, flashy, laser-filled, dancified affairs, packed to the popcorn-odoured rafters with costume changes, trap doors, daft props and glitter canons.

But such fripperies are now commonplace, expected and done on the cheap.

That was until Gaga decided it was a perfectly shrewd business move to lose money on a tour - such were her extravagant technical tastes.

Yet while Gaga's gigs are a riot of high camp, gore and awe (recently revealed stage plans for the Born This Way tour suggest the action will take place in a castle), Madonna's Super Bowl show was on a whole other level.

We'd go so far as to call it her most inventive and impressive display since 1990's Blond Ambition concerts and the best use of a video floor since the Beijing Olympics.

Most importantly she made several million dollars worth of excessive, advertiser-attracting, attention-demanding spectacle look almost effortless and hugely entertaining. Did you clock that smile during Music?

Madonna genuinely looked to be having the time of her life up there with the hyper-real Nicki Minaj, M.I.A. and her naughty finger, the frat-buffoons LMFAO, the Reverend Cee Lo Green, Roman centurions, cheerleaders, marching bands, and... oh my, we had forgotten what we were missing.

Madonna makes pop fun; now we remember!

Because no matter how fascinating The Haus of Gaga's work is (and we're not bored yet, despite the media saturation), their creative director sure goes a long way to make it seem like a thankless task.

In her interviews she's always keen to stress just how much "hard work" goes into being this otherworldly superstar.

And while we appreciate the extra effort, her job is simply to make some nice pop records, wear daft clothes and emerge from an egg from time to time.

And yet we don't get the sense Ms Germanotta is actually enjoying herself from the über-serious and often incomprehensible way she discusses her art. To borrow a phrase from an old editor of ours, we don't want to hear the labour pains; we just want to see the baby.

The main difference between Madonna's approach to her work and Gaga's is that Ms Ciconne never makes it feel like a task. Being Madonna is always what Madonna has wanted to do, and it's what she does best. She positively revels in being Madonna. Or at least she used to before the marriage, religion and film directing made her boring.

The first sign that the fun, solipsistic Madonna was back came when she was overheard expressing her disgust at the flowers presented to her by a fan. It was the Madonna of In Bed With Madonna - hilariously callous and particular.

The second sign was when she responded to the media brouhaha about hydrangea-gate with a tongue-in-cheek video begging for absolution (once a Catholic...)

The third indicator that the Queen of Pop was returning to her throne was a literal one: her arrival onto the Super Bowl stage on a colossal, man-pulled chariot - fit for a Cecil B. DeMille directed Cleopatra.

These are good signs.

When Michael Jackson played the same show in 1993, he pulled off the illusion of darting from one side of the stadium to the other, as if to say, "You think you see me but you don't. I'm elusive. You can't pin me down". By contrast, Madonna's entrance was slow, stately and supremely confident.

All eyes were on her as she drawled, "What are you looking at?"

It was the entrance of someone at ease with her self, her stardom and her sense of humour.

And no, we don't think Give Me All Your Luvin' (don't you just hate that spelling?) is going to trouble any 'best songs of all time' charts. Personally, we'd rank it as only our 59th favourite Madonna single, although we appreciate the Daphne & Celeste influence (we'll never forget you, girls).

And judging by the titles on her upcoming album MDNA (that joke isn't funny anymore, is it?) we're not looking at classic songwriting (Gang Bang? Really?)

But it doesn't matter if these new songs aren't the best songs of her career, because we've 11 previous albums to pick from. There's no shame in trading on past glories if no one else's current glory comes close.

Lady Gaga has made two and a half albums so far, and while she's racked up a few cracking singles, at this point in her career Madonna had given us Holiday, Lucky Star, Borderline, Like A Virgin, Material Girl, Crazy For You and Into The Groove.

There's no comparison.

It seems ludicrous and unfair to Gaga that we even began to consider her worthy of pop royalty so soon. She's achieved an awful lot in a very short amount of time, but let's give it 30 years before we see if Madonna needs to abdicate.

And no, as we're tired of reading in the comments sections of websites, Madonna didn't sing live for the majority of the performance, but then you can't be spun upside your head by impossibly elastic dancers and still hold a note immediately afterwards.

It's one or the other.

And if you think that singing live is more important than being spun upside your head by impossibly elastic dancers, on a night like that, then you don't understand pop at all.

However, for those of you who still think singing is a competitive sport, her rendition of Like A Prayer was all her own live voice and it was faultless.

Touchdown Madonna.

asg said:

RKJCNE said:

It all comes back to a strong woman having lots of power, and everyone who is made uncomfortable by that feeling the need to question her every qualification.

Just about 30 years into her career she is still being talked about like no one else, still has the power to have a hit single, a #1 album, etc. She's Madonna, and if you don't like her, by now you should have learned to just get over it.

I have \no problem with her success but she didnt sing a note all her show was built up with over the top production which hide all her weaknesses.

For once i wanted her to stand on her 2 feet and she didnt want to

Sorry, but what do you think Madonna at the Super Bowl Halftime show should be? I mean, we got a very pleasant, tasteful (but lip-synched and excruciatingly boring) show from Tom Petty a few years ago. And Roger Daltry really should have lip-synched when the Who performed.

If you think Madonna at the Halftime show of the Super Bowl ought to be her sitting there singing a few ballads with some acoustic guitar as accompaniament, you're out of your mind.

There's no chance in hell it was ever going to be anything other than what it was. And I'm glad for it. It was a spectacular show smack dab in the biggest television spectacle of the year. She had a lot to prove and she proved it. You don't watch a Madonna show for some stellar live singing and you don't watch the Halftime show for it either.

Read the article I posted above. If you think live singing is more important than entertaining her audience and the television audience, you know nothing about pop or Madonna or what makes for good halftime entertainment at the Super Bowl. And thank God she never catered to that kind of expectation or she would have been up and out of the business 25 years ago.

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Madonna's Record Breaking Numbers

*Pre-orders for Material Girl's New MDNA Album on iTunes Reaches No. 1 in 50 Countries - Largest One Day Pre-order in iTunes History"

*Give Me All Your Luvin'" Single Arrives at #13 on Billboard's Hot 100 Chart

*Clear Channel's Worldwide Multi-platform Promotion of Madonna's New Single Helps Propel MDNA, Drives Record-breaking Sales

*Madonna's Bridgestone Halftime Super Bowl Performance Peaks at 112.6 Million Viewers - Most Watched Ever

^^the numbers don't lie.Madonna's SuperBowl performance was a "homerun" for her.

SoulAlive said:

^^the numbers don't lie.Madonna's SuperBowl performance was a "homerun" for her.

or maybe a "touchdown"

SoulAlive said:

^^the numbers don't lie.Madonna's SuperBowl performance was a "homerun" for her.

what a horrible show most ppl online were bitter she didnt sing a note.

ugly cunt with no talent.

and her fans r saying she sings 90% of her songs.

what peice of bolony

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asg said:

SoulAlive said:

^^the numbers don't lie.Madonna's SuperBowl performance was a "homerun" for her.

what a horrible show most ppl online were bitter she didnt sing a note.

ugly cunt with no talent.

and her fans r saying she sings 90% of her songs.

what peice of bolony

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holy shit, I can't believe I wasted my time engaging your previous comments. how embarrassing for me

It's 112 million that watched the Super Bowl? Two days ago it was 114.

Timmy84 said:

It's 112 million that watched the Super Bowl? Two days ago it was 114.

I think it just depends on which early or later stat each article picks up on for it's research. I've seen 104, 112 and 114 million.

errant said:

Timmy84 said:

It's 112 million that watched the Super Bowl? Two days ago it was 114.

I think it just depends on which early or later stat each article picks up on for it's research. I've seen 104, 112 and 114 million.

Lord people just guessing now...

asg said:

SoulAlive said:

^^the numbers don't lie.Madonna's SuperBowl performance was a "homerun" for her.

what a horrible show most ppl online were bitter she didnt sing a note.

ugly cunt with no talent.

and her fans r saying she sings 90% of her songs.

what peice of bolony

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Was all that necessary? I mean she don't deserve to be called all that....

I don't understand why people have to be called haters because they didn't like the performance. There is a middle ground, you know. I like several Madonna's songs, but she is not my favorite artist, nor was her Super Bowl performance the best ever, in my opinion. I don't hate her. I don't hate anyone. But the truth is that she is not that talented. She is very popular and I recognize that. However, that is the world we live in, isn't it? Kim Kardashian is far more popular than many musical artists, actors, etc., but she is famous for absolutely nothing. Again, that is the world we are living in.

And before you jump down my throat, I am NOT comparing Madonna to Kim K. I have way more respect for Madonna than that. I am merely trying to point out that there are many more factors that will grow an artist's following than talent alone. Some people are just not as driven by those factors as others.

As for Madonna's "numbers" this week, good for her. I think that it was great that she could orchestrate such a strong marketing campaign on the brink of her tour and new album release. Quite frankly, I wish Prince would take a page out of her book in this regard.

However, I will not be attending Madonna's concert. It is one thing to watch a free television performance, but I will NOT shell out my hard-earned cash to watch someone lip synch and pose. I don't care how great the visuals are. I made that mistake with Janet Jackson's Up Close and Personal tour. I got there and realized that I was viewing a string of live music videos.

Anyway, that's my $0.02. Let's make love, not war people.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

asg said:

what a horrible show most ppl online were bitter she didnt sing a note.

ugly cunt with no talent.

and her fans r saying she sings 90% of her songs.

what peice of bolony

[Edited 2/8/12 18:51pm]

Was all that necessary? I mean she don't deserve to be called all that....

I know, right? Some folks on this site really don't know the art of being critical without being demeaning. I have seen some very hateful postings on this thread. Sad.

PurpleChi said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Was all that necessary? I mean she don't deserve to be called all that....

I know, right? Some folks on this site really don't know the art of being critical without being demeaning. I have seen some very hateful postings on this thread. Sad.

PurpleChi said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Was all that necessary? I mean she don't deserve to be called all that....

I know, right? Some folks on this site really don't know the art of being critical without being demeaning. I have seen some very hateful postings on this thread. Sad.

Not just this thread; I've seen very disturbing posts from members on here in several threads. Makes you wonder what kind of lives they have off the internet to express these kind of things