Just a few years ago it was the only thing playing on the radio. Now it seems that rap music is restricted only to urban radio stations and BET unless you are someone like Jay-Z or Kanye West. Is rap music finally fading away? Thoughts?

smoothcriminal12 said:

Just a few years ago it was the only thing playing on the radio. Now it seems that rap music is restricted only to urban radio stations and BET unless you are someone like Jay-Z or Kanye West. Is rap music finally fading away? Thoughts?

I think that Europop dance music obliterated it.

wonder505 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Just a few years ago it was the only thing playing on the radio. Now it seems that rap music is restricted only to urban radio stations and BET unless you are someone like Jay-Z or Kanye West. Is rap music finally fading away? Thoughts?

I think that Europop dance music obliterated it.

I think you're rap. The only rap I've heard on the radio this week was Niggas In Paris.

rap isn't my thing AT ALL, i'm too old 4 that shit anyway.. but saw this yesterday, rap battling, UK effort

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Europop and Adele blew it to pieces. Even Rihanna's doing dub-step now.

aardvark15 said:

Europop and Adele blew it to pieces. Even Rihanna's doing dub-step now.

The only place you'll hear it now is on BET.

I really hope so! Unless they can find away to make it innovative and interesting like it was in the 80s and 90s, otherwise it can piss off as far as i'm concrened.

People still listen to the radio?

BlaqueKnight said:

People still listen to the radio?

I do.

That AWFUL Flo-Rida song is played on top 40 radio all the time. But I don't think it's considered rap because the urban stations ignore it and I've never seen it on BET.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

People still listen to the radio?

I do.

I like you smooth but I do get that you like pop shit as well. There are a couple of things u need to understand though if u listen to that as well as the radio...

Jay Z and Kanye make rap music NOT hip hop not saying you said the opposite of this but just trying to get you to understand something. Any body can make a rap song or get on the mic and start rapping it doesnt mean they are a MC or its hip hop which is more so a movement/lifestyle.

They make corporate bullshit for mass appeal. The industry is sliced down the middle and now its about who brings in the big bucks. This industry is not about finding interesting talent or broadening the selection of music that plays on the radio. They just want money! It is up to the listener to do that.

As far as mainstream goes...hip hop does not exist and its been this way for roughly about 15-20 years now.

Rap has been fading out over the last couples of years now to. Everything has been watered down and narrowed... Its about money not about the music. I would seriously advise turning off ur radio or tuning into stations that cater to the oldies and not the pop ones.

mjscarousal said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I do.

I like you smooth but I do get that you like pop shit as well. There are a couple of things u need to understand though if u listen to that as well as the radio...

Jay Z and Kanye make rap music NOT hip hop not saying you said the opposite of this but just trying to get you to understand something. Any body can make a rap song or get on the mic and start rapping it doesnt mean they are a MC or its hip hop which is more so a movement/lifestyle.

They make corporate bullshit for mass appeal. The industry is sliced down the middle and now its about who brings in the big bucks. This industry is not about finding interesting talent or broadening the selection of music that plays on the radio. They just want money! It is up to the listener to do that.

As far as mainstream goes...hip hop does not exist and its been this way for roughly about 15-20 years now.

Rap has been fading out over the last couples of years now to. Everything has been watered down and narrowed... Its about money not about the music. I would seriously advise turning off ur radio or tuning into stations that cater to the oldies and not the pop ones.

Eh...the reason I continue to listen to the radio is because I never want to be out of the loop. I like keeping on top of the current trends and seeing what people like. I refuse to become one of those types of people who are always complaining about the radio and how music sucks today. What they don't realize is that people were saying that about rock and roll back in the 50's too. It's an ongoing cycle that will never end. For all we know, music may be ten times better than it was then (I'm not suggesting that it is) and we may not even know it because we're stuck in the past!

The industry has been that way for a long time. And in their perspective they're probably not doing anything wrong. They want to make money, and if they see an opportunity they'll jump on it. Realistically, who doesn't operate like that? We could complain about corporate bullshit forever, but there's definitely a huge market for it, so it definitely does appeal to a large group of people.

The industry has changed a lot in the past few years. I don't mind that as I can't do anything about it. It is what it is. Good music will continue to exist. When I listen to 80's music compared to now, I hear the same amount of cheesiness as I do now. Mainstream music has never been about artsy fartsy ness and how artistic you are. Why do you think guys like Zappa or Prince never get a lot of play?

It's been about money for a long time. But I refuse to close my ears and listen to oldies music. I always want to hear what's going on as it's quite interesting to hear the trends and study what's going on. I don't want to become one of those people who are always trashing mainstream music, so I always try to look at it from a wider perspective.

Just my

Rap is becoming Pop.

Ask Nelly.

smoothcriminal12 said:

mjscarousal said:

I like you smooth but I do get that you like pop shit as well. There are a couple of things u need to understand though if u listen to that as well as the radio...

Jay Z and Kanye make rap music NOT hip hop not saying you said the opposite of this but just trying to get you to understand something. Any body can make a rap song or get on the mic and start rapping it doesnt mean they are a MC or its hip hop which is more so a movement/lifestyle.

They make corporate bullshit for mass appeal. The industry is sliced down the middle and now its about who brings in the big bucks. This industry is not about finding interesting talent or broadening the selection of music that plays on the radio. They just want money! It is up to the listener to do that.

As far as mainstream goes...hip hop does not exist and its been this way for roughly about 15-20 years now.

Rap has been fading out over the last couples of years now to. Everything has been watered down and narrowed... Its about money not about the music. I would seriously advise turning off ur radio or tuning into stations that cater to the oldies and not the pop ones.

Eh...the reason I continue to listen to the radio is because I never want to be out of the loop. I like keeping on top of the current trends and seeing what people like. I refuse to become one of those types of people who are always complaining about the radio and how music sucks today. What they don't realize is that people were saying that about rock and roll back in the 50's too. It's an ongoing cycle that will never end. For all we know, music may be ten times better than it was then (I'm not suggesting that it is) and we may not even know it because we're stuck in the past!

Recently, On the way to school my father randomly flipped through the station and that annoying Jay Z and Kanye West song came on..

I said dad please put the Stevie disc in PLEASE...

And that was an hour drive thank God he had that Stevie disc in that car because we were driving back to baltimore and that was the only dumb station with reception

Mine you I havent listened to the radio in MONTHS and that annoying song still playing.. shit is that all they play? You dont have to listen to the radio on a constant basis or daily to come up with the same conclusion or to keep up with trends especially in a industry geared toward dollar signs

They play the SAME shit.. there is but so many trends you have or need to stay in the loop with especially if we are talking about rap music..

If I recall correctly no one here is complaining.. You posed a question and Im simply giving you a sip of that truth juice love it or hate

Me personally, I love the oldies... I listen to alot of contemporary music as well but that shit does not play on the radio..

Dont get it twisted..

There IS good music out there but it is not playing on the radio, it is not winning grammys or making top charts... So when you ask rhetorical questions like this you need to think a bit deeper than just the radio.. Rap and hip hop exists if u just turn off the radio or tune into stations that cater to that music....

Its silly to compare how the industry was in the 50s to now when they are both completely different. The industry is not no where how it use to be. Today is about image and what sells. Yes to an extent it was like that during the 50s but merit was a bit higher...and not so generic... You had to have raw talent ... you wasnt just pick because of how you looked or saying a rhyme here or there...The industry has destroyed itself and if u continue to feed into that is exactly what you will get no sense in questioning it..

smoothcriminal12 said:

The industry has been that way for a long time. And in their perspective they're probably not doing anything wrong. They want to make money, and if they see an opportunity they'll jump on it. Realistically, who doesn't operate like that? We could complain about corporate bullshit forever, but there's definitely a huge market for it, so it definitely does appeal to a large group of people.

Right... thats the same thing I said... but remember when folks pose questions like the question you ask knowing that formula... why ask that question?

If you have an undertanding as to what fuels the industry... there is no point in asking questions like this ... A better question would be What are ways OR How are artists like such such saving hip hop or rap instead of questioning why rap doesnt exist in an pop industry only geared to making money...

The music industry doesnt give a fuck about rap music.. All it wants is money... that IS why rap doesnt exist anymore in the mainstream world.. you know that as well as I do.. There is nothing more to add to that..

I dont have a problem with that... get the your hustle on and make that green.. What I personally find issue with are people making this bullshit out to be authentic when it isnt by masking it with false medals and accolades. I wouldnt mine it as much if they stop making it seem like its some Einstein masterpiece... yes that does disturb me especially when their are much more talented artist that make more creative music about art and not to make money... thats the difference. and no the industry has not always been like this, the state that it is in now.

smoothcriminal12 said:

The industry has changed a lot in the past few years. I don't mind that as I can't do anything about it. It is what it is. Good music will continue to exist. When I listen to 80's music compared to now, I hear the same amount of cheesiness as I do now. Mainstream music has never been about artsy fartsy ness and how artistic you are. Why do you think guys like Zappa or Prince never get a lot of play?

It's been about money for a long time. But I refuse to close my ears and listen to oldies music. I always want to hear what's going on as it's quite interesting to hear the trends and study what's going on. I don't want to become one of those people who are always trashing mainstream music, so I always try to look at it from a wider perspective.

Just my

This isnt about old school versus new school. Nothing touches the classic...

There ARE young artists that DO care about their craft and not generic corporate shit yea I said it because thats what it is... Why do you think Jill, Musiq, Anothony, Jaheim etc never get no love or due? They have pretty strong fanbases but their not going to dive into that gutter mess because they trying to make music not sell a image...

Right... good music will exist and does... their is good rap music out there non old school and if you want to find it... why not go out and search for it... The Strange Fruit Project is a pretty good hip hop group why not check them out... Common, Mos Def, Lupe etc make dope records as well... The shit is not on the radio... thats all I am saying... If you just want to listen to Kanye and Jayz or lmfao then turn on the radio BUT dont then turn around and ask why does rap music not exist and insist that you listen to the radio to follow trends..

WHAT trend from three artists that makes the same shit?

The trend of making shit music?

Come on Smooth

I LOVE music and my perspectives go beyond skin deep and wider than the oceans springs.. I feel you on that but see I am also opinionated and Im quick to call phoney shit out which I will never bite my tongue with because to many people follow trends and bandwagoners to afraid to say what it is... and the shit that is on the radio is just that shit... You dont even have to listen to a rack of old school... there are some new up and coming artists and current ones that make a ton of better shit that Jay, Kanye, Riri, Bey and all those overrated heifars thats not being narrow minded thats having a BROAD view on the industry and understanding where the music stands. I understand what that music is meant for and am aware of it I dont have to listen to the shit everyday to come up to the same conclusion. I listen to the music that I love and enjoy and I love all kinds of music... thats why a question like this doesnt exist to me because no its not dead... its dead if u want it to be and if you limit ur self to that ratched radio.

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mjscarousal said:

Recently, On the way to school my father randomly flipped through the station and that annoying Jay Z and Kanye West song came on..

I said dad please put the Stevie disc in PLEASE...

And that was an hour drive thank God he had that Stevie disc in that car because we were driving back to baltimore and that was the only dumb station with reception

Mine you I havent listened to the radio in MONTHS and that annoying song still playing.. shit is that all they play? You dont have to listen to the radio on a constant basis or daily to come up with the same conclusion or to keep up with trends especially in a industry geared toward dollar signs

But you said that I should turn off the radio - that doesn't imply listening every month or so. And I never said that I listened to the radio every day. This was the first time I listened in a while. I just prefer to stay on top of music.

They play the SAME shit.. there is but so many trends you have or need to stay in the loop with especially if we are talking about rap music..

If I recall correctly no one here is complaining.. You posed a question and Im simply giving you a sip of that truth juice love it or hate

Opinion juice. We call come here with different viewpoints and thoughts. I like seeing it from every perspective.

Me personally, I love the oldies... I listen to alot of contemporary music as well but that shit does not play on the radio..

Dont get it twisted..

There IS good music out there but it is not playing on the radio, it is not winning grammys or making top charts... So when you ask rhetorical questions like this you need to think a bit deeper than just the radio.. Rap and hip hop exists if u just turn off the radio or tune into stations that cater to that music....

I'm not exactly sure what you're refering to now.

Its silly to compare how the industry was in the 50s to now when they are both completely different. The industry is not no where how it use to be. Today is about image and what sells. Yes to an extent it was like that during the 50s but merit was a bit higher...and not so generic... You had to have raw talent ... you wasnt just pick because of how you looked or saying a rhyme here or there...The industry has destroyed itself and if u continue to feed into that is exactly what you will get no sense in questioning it..

But how do you know that is the way it really is? I'm only trying to challenge what you think. The industry has changed, I acknowledged that, but can you expect it to stay the same forever? This "raw talent" only had to come about because we do not have the tools we have now. The conditions are different. I was doing exactly what you are donig right now, exactly what EVERYONE on the org does - comparing the industry of the old to the industry of now. Isn't that what you're doing?

Right... thats the same thing I said... but remember when folks pose questions like the question you ask knowing that formula... why ask that question?

If you have an undertanding as to what fuels the industry... there is no point in asking questions like this ... A better question would be What are ways OR How are artists like such such saving hip hop or rap instead of questioning why rap doesnt exist in an pop industry only geared to making money...

The music industry doesnt give a fuck about rap music.. All it wants is money... that IS why rap doesnt exist anymore in the mainstream world.. you know that as well as I do.. There is nothing more to add to that..

But again, when did they ever NOT care about money? I seriously doubt that there was a time period where the music industry didn't care about money.

I dont have a problem with that...

ah, ok.

get the your hustle on and make that green.. What I personally find issue with are people making this bullshit out to be authentic when it isnt by masking it with false medals and accolades. I wouldnt mine it as much if they stop making it seem like its some Einstein masterpiece... yes that does disturb me especially when their are much more talented artist that make more creative music about art and not to make money... thats the difference.

But that's what I'm trying to say. That's your opinion right now, but you cannot say without a shadow of a doubt that it isn't a masterpiece, so that point is irrelevant. "Talent" is really subjective. Music is music. Bleh.

and no the industry has not always been like this, the state that it is in now.

I was referring to the possibility that their goals always involved money, not the "state".

smoothcriminal12 said:

The industry has changed a lot in the past few years. I don't mind that as I can't do anything about it. It is what it is. Good music will continue to exist. When I listen to 80's music compared to now, I hear the same amount of cheesiness as I do now. Mainstream music has never been about artsy fartsy ness and how artistic you are. Why do you think guys like Zappa or Prince never get a lot of play?

It's been about money for a long time. But I refuse to close my ears and listen to oldies music. I always want to hear what's going on as it's quite interesting to hear the trends and study what's going on. I don't want to become one of those people who are always trashing mainstream music, so I always try to look at it from a wider perspective.

Just my

This isnt about old school versus new school. Nothing touches the classic...

Once again - how do you prove such a statement?

There ARE young artists that DO care about their craft and not generic corporate shit yea I said it because thats what it is... Why do you think Jill, Musiq, Anothony, Jaheim etc never get no love or due? They have pretty strong fanbases but their not going to dive into that gutter mess because they trying to make music not sell a image...

I'm trying to point out certain things here..."generic corporate shit..." tell me how exactly music is better now than it used to be? You can't. Because it's all subjective. I'm not suggesting that it is better now than it was then or even on the same level, but I do think about this a lot, and it really is no different from parents of the 50's complaining about rock.

Right... good music will exist and does... their is good rap music out there non old school and if you want to find it... why not go out and search for it... The Strange Fruit Project is a pretty good hip hop group why not check them out... Common, Mos Def, Lupe etc make dope records as well... The shit is not on the radio... thats all I am saying... If you just want to listen to Kanye and Jayz or lmfao then turn on the radio BUT dont then turn around and ask why does rap music not exist and insist that you listen to the radio to follow trends..

I have no idea what you're saying. I love Common, Mos Def, and Lupe Fiasco, and I have quite the wide taste in music. No one is talking about forcing anyone to listen to the radio or following trends. I like to keep up with them and see what's going on, I'm a musician. I have to be in the know. I never said that you have to.

WHAT trend from three artists that makes the same shit?

The trend of making shit music?

Come on Smooth

Huh? I was talking about "trends" as in music that's currently popular now. Shit music or not, it's all subjective. I just want to stay on top of everything, and I really question a lot of the doom and gloom mentality that a lot of orgers hold.

I LOVE music and my perspectives go beyond skin deep and wider than the oceans springs.. I feel you on that but see I am also opinionated and Im quick to call phoney shit out which I will never bite my tongue with because to many people follow trends and bandwagoners to afraid to say what it is... and the shit that is on the radio is just that shit... You dont even have to listen to a rack of old school... there are some new up and coming artists and current ones that make a ton of better shit that Jay, Kanye, Riri, Bey and all those overrated heifars thats not being narrow minded thats having a BROAD view on the industry and understanding where the music stands. I understand what that music is meant for and am aware of it I dont have to listen to the shit everyday to come up to the same conclusion. I listen to the music that I love and enjoy and I love all kinds of music... thats why a question like this doesnt exist to me because no its not dead... its dead if u want it to be and if you limit ur self to that ratched radio.

But see, I listen to a lot of old music and new music. My question was, "is rap dead" in relation to the amount of airplay the songs are getting and how it's not being played nearly as much as it was. You and I both know that I listen to far more music than what's on the radio. I just never want to become one of those people who just judge, judge, judge, and don't look at it from an overall perspective. Music is subjective, as is taste, which is why I never want to put down anyone for their musical tastes or judge them. I listen to my own personal music, but I take in everything. I mean, I'm sure there's someone somewhere who thinks that your taste in music is wack, right?

LOOK EVERYBODY, A THREAD ABOUT HOW TODAY'S MUSIC SUCKS. HOW ORIGINAL.

Terrib3Towel said:

LOOK EVERYBODY, A THREAD ABOUT HOW TODAY'S MUSIC SUCKS. HOW ORIGINAL.

That's not what it's about.

smoothcriminal said:

But you said that I should turn off the radio - that doesn't imply listening every month or so. And I never said that I listened to the radio every day. This was the first time I listened in a while. I just prefer to stay on top of music.

Thats cool.. I wasnt sure how much you was implying, I thought you meant everyday lol.. I think its good to be open minded period. That aspect you are right about and even a true music lover should be knowledgable about what is occuring in the current music scene whether they particularly like it or not.

smoothcriminalsaid:

Opinion juice. We call come here with different viewpoints and thoughts. I like seeing it from every perspective.

I guess I forgot who I was talking to you... your right their opinions but that aspect about the industry is the un spoken truth..

smoothcriminalsaid:

I'm not exactly sure what you're refering to now.

To be honest I am not even sure myself I just love talking about music and get so carried away

But how do you know that is the way it really is? I'm only trying to challenge what you think. The industry has changed, I acknowledged that, but can you expect it to stay the same forever? This "raw talent" only had to come about because we do not have the tools we have now. The conditions are different. I was doing exactly what you are donig right now, exactly what EVERYONE on the org does - comparing the industry of the old to the industry of now. Isn't that what you're doing?

Well to be fair in the example I gave I technically was making a comparision but not in a sense that I was trying to make the industry of the past better than now but just showing that it has changed that it is different it is not based on the same principles which is what I thought you was implying. Yes some of the same formula that occurs today occured in the past... its different which why as you say rap doesnt exist on the radio because the industry did it to itself.. No I dont expect it to stay the same because in each of the eras it gradually changed. While it gradually changed it didnt completely become destructive like how it is now. Even past music in its prime which I personally think was in the 60s, 70s music was still great mainstream and their still was a much more diverse selection than what it is now. It seems now the industry just wants to make bucks quick and markets these images with the same time it takes to make a dollar..

Smoothsaid:

But again, when did they ever NOT care about money? I seriously doubt that there was a time period where the music industry didn't care about money.

I agree with that.. exactly thats one of the points that I was implying stayed the same. Labels always wanted money as well as the industry but it was much harder to get to number one, the public had a little more control over what got played on the radio, awards were exactly earned and not so politically incorrect, and people were exactly buying records... not just singles but whole albums...and most of the talent and exactly were talented... It was about money but designed a bit differently..

Smoothsaid:

But that's what I'm trying to say. That's your opinion right now, but you cannot say without a shadow of a doubt that it isn't a masterpiece, so that point is irrelevant. "Talent" is really subjective. Music is music. Bleh.

For the record people are all talented in their own way. God has blessed everyone with special gifts. Certain people are more talented or gifted in other areas more than others.

When it comes to music you are right talent is subjective... but I have alot more respect for an artist who is talented who makes music to be creative and artisitcally take risks than talented artists who just wants to make money... yes that is a difference and yes that artist will be judged based on that after all as you say music is open for fair game... I dont think all music is subjective... I think their is a such thing as quality music and just mediocre music...

Smoothsaid:

I was referring to the possibility that their goals always involved money, not the "state".

Oh I see I understand your point...and like I said previously agree with that point...

Smoothsaid:

Once again - how do you prove such a statement?

That point is proven based on the kind of MUSIC they make. Their is a reason why they are not shoved down our throats because they dont garner a whole lot of money or sell to a mass appeal. They obviously dont care about that. Some of the artists I mentioned have been in the industry for over 10 years... they dont care about being mainstream of displaying an image because if they did they would make that kind of music. I dont have to prove it... they prove it based on the kind of music they make but not just them other artists as well...

Smoothsaid:

I'm trying to point out certain things here..."generic corporate shit..." tell me how exactly music is better now than it used to be? You can't. Because it's all subjective. I'm not suggesting that it is better now than it was then or even on the same level, but I do think about this a lot, and it really is no different from parents of the 50's complaining about rock.

But see during the 50s alot of things were occuring that had not occured before in music and entertainment.. They didnt even want to show Elvis or Jackie from the hip all the way down because of all the twisting and shaking.. and it wasnt even provocative dancing but during that particular era morals, values and models were held high in the industry. Like I said, it was a different time period. Alot of things that are said on the radio and occur now even in a quality song would not be be played on the radio in the 50's. I think the way parents feel about music now versus back during that time period is similiar but their was a vase bigger selection and you know something is really fucked up if you have a bunch of teenagers and people in their early 20s complaining about current "cool" mainstream music

Smoothsaid:

I have no idea what you're saying. I love Common, Mos Def, and Lupe Fiasco, and I have quite the wide taste in music. No one is talking about forcing anyone to listen to the radio or following trends. I like to keep up with them and see what's going on, I'm a musician. I have to be in the know. I never said that you have to.

I talk aggresive but I know Im just messing with you

Well... I am in the know of what is hot on the scene but I dont feed into either... I am in the know by force because of my age, friends and constantly being surrounded by it not necessariy because " I want to"

Smooth Said:

Huh? I was talking about "trends" as in music that's currently popular now. Shit music or not, it's all subjective. I just want to stay on top of everything, and I really question a lot of the doom and gloom mentality that a lot of orgers hold.

Right... I think we can spend alot more time talking about good CURRENT artists or just music in general that is worth talking about then constantly complaining about the same shit or making threads about the same annoying artists that people are tired of Yes I am tired of that doom and gloom..

Smooth said:

But see, I listen to a lot of old music and new music. My question was, "is rap dead" in relation to the amount of airplay the songs are getting and how it's not being played nearly as much as it was. You and I both know that I listen to far more music than what's on the radio. I just never want to become one of those people who just judge, judge, judge, and don't look at it from an overall perspective. Music is subjective, as is taste, which is why I never want to put down anyone for their musical tastes or judge them. I listen to my own personal music, but I take in everything. I mean, I'm sure there's someone somewhere who thinks that your taste in music is wack, right?

Yes their are some people on here as a matter of fact but I look at them sideways because their awful taste is questionable

Like I said, I think it just has to do with playing whats hot and whats popular... Jay Z, Kanye, LMFAO are hot right now so they are going to play that shit to the hens come rolling home... they cater to what is popualar and that is what is hurting the rap game. There isnt a whole lot of rappers to choose from nowadays and the ones that do constantly come out they dont have mega full blown promotion so most people do not know about it...

mjscarousal said:

Thats cool.. I wasnt sure how much you was implying, I thought you meant everyday lol.. I think its good to be open minded period. That aspect you are right about and even a true music lover should be knowledgable about what is occuring in the current music scene whether they particularly like it or not.

I guess I forgot who I was talking to you... your right their opinions but that aspect about the industry is the un spoken truth..

To be honest I am not even sure myself I just love talking about music and get so carried away

Well to be fair in the example I gave I technically was making a comparision but not in a sense that I was trying to make the industry of the past better than now but just showing that it has changed that it is different it is not based on the same principles which is what I thought you was implying. Yes some of the same formula that occurs today occured in the past... its different which why as you say rap doesnt exist on the radio because the industry did it to itself.. No I dont expect it to stay the same because in each of the eras it gradually changed. While it gradually changed it didnt completely become destructive like how it is now. Even past music in its prime which I personally think was in the 60s, 70s music was still great mainstream and their still was a much more diverse selection than what it is now. It seems now the industry just wants to make bucks quick and markets these images with the same time it takes to make a dollar.

I will give it to you though that music has changed a lot since computers were introduced into the scene...computers, when used properly, can create some of the greatest music ever. But people are just too lazy.

I agree with that.. exactly thats one of the points that I was implying stayed the same. Labels always wanted money as well as the industry but it was much harder to get to number one, the public had a little more control over what got played on the radio, awards were exactly earned and not so politically incorrect, and people were exactly buying records... not just singles but whole albums...and most of the talent and exactly were talented... It was about money but designed a bit differently..

For the record people are all talented in their own way. God has blessed everyone with special gifts. Certain people are more talented or gifted in other areas more than others.

When it comes to music you are right talent is subjective... but I have alot more respect for an artist who is talented who makes music to be creative and artisitcally take risks than talented artists who just wants to make money... yes that is a difference and yes that artist will be judged based on that after all as you say music is open for fair game... I dont think all music is subjective... I think their is a such thing as quality music and just mediocre music...

I definitely, 100 and 10 percent agree with the bolded.

Oh I see I understand your point...and like I said previously agree with that point...

That point is proven based on the kind of MUSIC they make. Their is a reason why they are not shoved down our throats because they dont garner a whole lot of money or sell to a mass appeal. They obviously dont care about that. Some of the artists I mentioned have been in the industry for over 10 years... they dont care about being mainstream of displaying an image because if they did they would make that kind of music. I dont have to prove it... they prove it based on the kind of music they make but not just them other artists as well...

But see during the 50s alot of things were occuring that had not occured before in music and entertainment.. They didnt even want to show Elvis or Jackie from the hip all the way down because of all the twisting and shaking.. and it wasnt even provocative dancing but during that particular era morals, values and models were held high in the industry. Like I said, it was a different time period. Alot of things that are said on the radio and occur now even in a quality song would not be be played on the radio in the 50's. I think the way parents feel about music now versus back during that time period is similiar but their was a vase bigger selection and you know something is really fucked up if you have a bunch of teenagers and people in their early 20s complaining about current "cool" mainstream music

Interesting...

Funy, if you think about, most parents would die of shock if 1980 era Prince took Elvis' place.

I talk aggresive but I know Im just messing with you

Well... I am in the know of what is hot on the scene but I dont feed into either... I am in the know by force because of my age, friends and constantly being surrounded by it not necessariy because " I want to"

Doesn't that suck when you put on some good old Cameo and your friends tell you to switch it to something like Tik Tok?

Right... I think we can spend alot more time talking about good CURRENT artists or just music in general that is worth talking about then constantly complaining about the same shit or making threads about the same annoying artists that people are tired of Yes I am tired of that doom and gloom.

Yes their are some people on here as a matter of fact but I look at them sideways because their awful taste is questionable

Like I said, I think it just has to do with playing whats hot and whats popular... Jay Z, Kanye, LMFAO are hot right now so they are going to play that shit to the hens come rolling home... they cater to what is popualar and that is what is hurting the rap game. There isnt a whole lot of rappers to choose from nowadays and the ones that do constantly come out they dont have mega full blown promotion so most people do not know about it...

I absolutely hate LMFAO. Sexy And I Know It is an awful song. I can't believe it it #1.

mjscarousal said:

people were exactly buying records...not just singles but whole albums...

Not exactly, unless it was jazz and maybe singers like Frank Sinatra, Anita O'Day, and Johnny Mathis. Pre Beatles/British Invasion, the average act on Top 40 pop radio was singles based. Motown and Stax in the 1960's wasn't really known for their albums either. In Motown's case, they had many of their acts recording the same songs or cover tunes. Some small labels didn't even release full albums. The major labels ignored music that was not so-called "high class" like opera or crooner pop. Really, it was the small indie labels that popularized other types of music such as hillbilly, blues, jazz, race, doo wop, R&B, rock 'n roll, teen idol, etc. Once the majors like RCA & Columbia started seeing the other styles becoming popular, they either bought out the small label or started luring acts to their labels. Even Elvis started out on a small label, Sun, and RCA bought out his contract from Sam Phillips.

But see during the 50s alot of things were occuring that had not occured before in music and entertainment.. They didnt even want to show Elvis or Jackie from the hip all the way down because of all the twisting and shaking.. and it wasnt even provocative dancing but during that particular era morals, values and models were held high in the industry.

I didn't know the mafia had any morals. As far as Elvis & Rock 'N Roll goes, it was rejected by older folks because it was African American based, just like ragtime, blues, big band jazz, and wild dances (ie. Charleston, Lindy Hop, Twist) were. They didn't do the "waist up only" with Fred Estaire. Many white teens couldn't bring home a record by a black person or someone that sounded like them, but parents wouldn't complain about a sanitized version by someone like Pat Boone. Pat sounded more like the crooner music the older folks liked.

PlayboyOriginal said:

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

people were exactly buying records...not just singles but whole albums...

Not exactly, unless it was jazz and maybe singers like Frank Sinatra, Anita O'Day, and Johnny Mathis. Pre Beatles/British Invasion, the average act on Top 40 pop radio was singles based. Motown and Stax in the 1960's wasn't really known for their albums either. In Motown's case, they had many of their acts recording the same songs or cover tunes. Some small labels didn't even release full albums. The major labels ignored music that was not so-called "high class" like opera or crooner pop. Really, it was the small indie labels that popularized other types of music such as hillbilly, blues, jazz, race, doo wop, R&B, rock 'n roll, teen idol, etc. Once the majors like RCA & Columbia started seeing the other styles becoming popular, they either bought out the small label or started luring acts to their labels. Even Elvis started out on a small label, Sun, and RCA bought out his contract from Sam Phillips.

But see during the 50s alot of things were occuring that had not occured before in music and entertainment.. They didnt even want to show Elvis or Jackie from the hip all the way down because of all the twisting and shaking.. and it wasnt even provocative dancing but during that particular era morals, values and models were held high in the industry.

I didn't know the mafia had any morals. As far as Elvis & Rock 'N Roll goes, it was rejected by older folks because it was African American based, just like ragtime, blues, big band jazz, and wild dances (ie. Charleston, Lindy Hop, Twist) were. They didn't do the "waist up only" with Fred Estaire. Many white teens couldn't bring home a record by a black person or someone that sounded like them, but parents wouldn't complain about a sanitized version by someone like Pat Boone. Pat sounded more like the crooner music the older folks liked.

Damn Mickey I was hoping you wouldnt come in here

Side note: They did cut off the waist portion though because they thought it was to raunchy that had nothing to do with the African American influence even though that was a vast portion of why he was popular and controversy surrounding him in general.

PlayboyOriginal said:

Terrib3Towel said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

Nas just mad his career is dead.

Yo Terribtowel... you my cherry top but dont f^ck with Nas... thats my favorite rapper.. OH HELL NAHHH

Terrib3Towel said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

Nas just mad his career is dead.

LMAO..... he hasn't had a hit in years, poor thing.

Rap is sooooooooooooooo boring. The real musicians are comming back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously not cause its still all bout the cut n paste.