Musicslave said:

Graycap23 said:

U serious? Why would a none satanist use those type of images?

What impact does that have on certain impressionable people especially kids?

What did they have 2 do besides their so called talent 2 get where they are?

What do they have 2 do 2 stay where they are?

They're taking a page out of the ol' Michael Jackson Media Playbook. Michael often gave the tabloids what they wanted by feeding them crazy stories about himself. The biggest example is that phony "Michael Sleeps in a Hyperbaric Chamber "story.

Exactly what images were satanic besides the upside down cross?

Thats the point people are making... We KNOW the theme of the video was obviously planted...

But I think the point Gray is trying to make is WHY would you want to play around with Satanist images and Christianity? Everything doesnt have to be serious but I would think if someone was a christian they wouldnt want to present certain images associating with Satanist even if it was in a song..

mjscarousal said:

Musicslave said:

They're taking a page out of the ol' Michael Jackson Media Playbook. Michael often gave the tabloids what they wanted by feeding them crazy stories about himself. The biggest example is that phony "Michael Sleeps in a Hyperbaric Chamber "story.

Exactly what images were satanic besides the upside down cross?

Thats the point people are making... We KNOW the theme of the video was obviously planted...

But I think the point Gray is trying to make is WHY would you want to play around with Satanist images and Christianity? Everything doesnt have to be serious but I would think if someone was a christian they wouldnt want to present certain images associating with Satanist even if it was in a song..

Maybe they're not Christian?

smoothcriminal12 said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats the point people are making... We KNOW the theme of the video was obviously planted...

But I think the point Gray is trying to make is WHY would you want to play around with Satanist images and Christianity? Everything doesnt have to be serious but I would think if someone was a christian they wouldnt want to present certain images associating with Satanist even if it was in a song..

Maybe they're not Christian?

To be honest, I REALLY dont care

I just think their both full of bullshit especially Jay Z...

He wants to shoot down rumors and gossip about the Illumunati but plays around with the media with his faith?? Why would you want to joke around about something like that?

AND THEN turn around and call all the rumors stupid

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mjscarousal said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Maybe they're not Christian?

To be honest, I REALLY dont care

I just think their both full of bullshit especially Jay Z...

He wants to shoot down rumors and gossip about the Illumunati but plays around with the media with his faith?? Why would you want to joke around about something like that?

Because people will keep on talking. That means more press for him, more publicity and more sales.

Graycap23 said:

mjscarousal said:

I AGREE!

Its one thing when that shit is sincere... its another when your obviously try to come across as convincing...

Jay Z as well as Kanye do not think like this, do not give a fuck about slavery and do not make songs like this... They do this shit for ATTENTION which is a difference... They want to come across as so deep... fucking idiots..

And the funny part is none of them will never be in a KRS ONE and Nas league... fucking amatuers

While that might be true...........why are they sing Satanist images in the video?

What Satanic images?

All I saw was hangings, beatings, runaway-slave type stuff.

There wasn't anything remotely Satanic in it, but I did pick up on the anti-Christian sentiment going on in the last bit towards the end.

^ I picked up the anti-Christian thing myself.

But like I said, this is just an attention grabber or at least it tries to. They were smart enough not to put the video on TV and just on YouTube and on their concert tour. Otherwise, they wouldn't have heard the last of it.

I personally think it's dumb to do shit like that. They're talented but they need to stop acting like this is actually deep.

Dren5 said:

Graycap23 said:

While that might be true...........why are they sing Satanist images in the video?

What Satanic images?

All I saw was hangings, beatings, runaway-slave type stuff.

There wasn't anything remotely Satanic in it, but I did pick up on the anti-Christian sentiment going on in the last bit towards the end.

Do u have any idea what the upside down cross means?

Musicslave said:

Graycap23 said:

Isn't that enough? Satanist take that particular igame extremely seriously.

I find it interesting that they used that one. Some one taold me yaers ago,

"when someone shows u who they are.......believe them"

My bad, I thought there were supposed to be multiple images the way it was discussed. Yes I understand the significance of the cross and what it symbolizes. I'm just not sure these cats aren't playing everyone for fools that's all.

.........or maybe not.

I'm a Kanye fan, and i would say a Jay-Z fan.. although i think he peaked with The Black Album...

Kanye is annoying sometimes, this seems more like something he would come up with more then J. I liked his Runaway short film, despite his fair bland acting

Power was a cool short video, All Of The Lights was a wasted oppurtunity... we get it the song is called All Of The Lights.... so you think it's artsy to show multiple flashing lights?

And Monster was a mixed bag, didn't hate it didn't love it

But from Monster to know, Kanye is trying so hard to show people how different he is. We get that he's different! we get he's talented. But trying to constantly show shocking images in your videos is an old trick

Gunsnhalen said:

I'm a Kanye fan, and i would say a Jay-Z fan.. although i think he peaked with The Black Album...

Kanye is annoying sometimes, this seems more like something he would come up with more then J. I liked his Runaway short film, despite his fair bland acting

Power was a cool short video, All Of The Lights was a wasted oppurtunity... we get it the song is called All Of The Lights.... so you think it's artsy to show multiple flashing lights?

And Monster was a mixed bag, didn't hate it didn't love it

But from Monster to know, Kanye is trying so hard to show people how different he is. We get that he's different! we get he's talented. But trying to constantly show shocking images in your videos is an old trick

And it's becoming predictable. "Power" was dope though!

Gunsnhalen said:

I'm a Kanye fan, and i would say a Jay-Z fan.. although i think he peaked with The Black Album...

Kanye is annoying sometimes, this seems more like something he would come up with more then J. I liked his Runaway short film, despite his fair bland acting

Power was a cool short video, All Of The Lights was a wasted oppurtunity... we get it the song is called All Of The Lights.... so you think it's artsy to show multiple flashing lights?

And Monster was a mixed bag, didn't hate it didn't love it

But from Monster to know, Kanye is trying so hard to show people how different he is. We get that he's different! we get he's talented. But trying to constantly show shocking images in your videos is an old trick

Kan would be alright if he wasn't such a "tryhard"...