This is a tough question, BUT, I will say Janet. Both are somewhat overrated IMO.

people who diss artists for their age (s) - whether it's M, Tina Turner, Keith Richards, Elton, Charo, Joan Rivers...whoever...yall are just fucking morons - may you age to have the world judge you for how old you are, and you still wont look half as good as cher, michael, or madonna

Neither of them are overrated.

RKJCNE said:

Both are harder workers, trend setters and smart buisness women with a respectable catalogue of classics.

If you can't handle a woman expressing her sexuality and showing independence then I think you should go back to the 1950s.

That crypt keeper looks alot more like Steven Tyler or Mick Jagger yet I don't see scores of people yelling at them to retire or making fun of their parade of younger partners.

That's because they are men, they can get old however they want.

If a woman is in her 50's, people expect them to sit in their house all day or something.

PlayboyOriginal said:

alphastreet said:

Second coming of Allah?

I'm a huge fan of both, but I will admit that though Madonna has good energy onstage, she is far from what she used to be live 20 years ago onstage. She's good for the special effects and wardrobe choices, but something is different. And although it's debatable whether Janet lip synchs or not, I think her current shows showcase her talent way more than Madonna's, though not enough is done with the stage anymore, none of that Velvet Rope book concept onstage or the playful dancefloor concept on All For You. But she keeps me on my feet the whole time, maybe Madonna's next tour will be better than Sticky & Sweet.

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No shade but I would NEVER pay money to see this in concert.

We live in a obese society, yet someone who takes care of her body very well gets all the heath....I never get that.

Janet Jackson

At least, Madonna is interesting and makes good music.

neonlights said:

Janet Jackson

At least, Madonna is interesting and makes good music.

Boy....

you better run for cover.

wait, I'll try to say something useful for this rather lame thread (bait much?)

I prefer the "old" Janet era, when she released albums "as an event", every 3, 4, 5 or even 6 years, like his brother did (the winning streak of Control/RN/janet/Design/VR is still unbeatable by any other female pop-star, 5 great albums in 12 years)

but she has released way too much filler/disposable music during the 00s...

despite HC and some dull tracks on AL, Madonna has been way more consistent than Janet after 1998...

just sayin'

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I think they're both undeserving of some of the praise they get; Janet moreso. That said, they both have had good moments.

Do I really need to state the the following is purely my opinion only? OK.

Janet is hugely overrated in the USA but quite underrated elsewhere. I really don't think she's anywhere near the "legend" some people like to portray her to be, but she deserves better sales and recognition outside of the US and Japan as quite frankly she barely has any, other than being Michael's sister, having a decent run of average sized hits in the 80s and 90s and being known for her stature in American pop culture.

Madonna is massively overrated as a live performer. Her status as the 'Queen of Pop' is pretty much unmatched just because of the first 15 years of her career. The last 10 years have actually been quite rancid. I also think that talentless twat Britney Spears needs to get off Madonna's back and admit that her dancing, music and career was actually more influenced by Janet and the only think she has in common with Madonna is being blonde white women with little singing talent.

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they're both underrated

I agree Madonna has a lot of underrated songs and though she is seen as Queen of Pop, many limit it to her 80's and early 90's work and Ray of Light though some of the current singles are recognized too, like the Britney and Justin duet by those who just have no idea. And American Life and Erotica were overlooked for some of the great songs on there.

To be considered overrated you'd have to have some talent, no?

Madonna. Only thing I liked outta her was Evita.

Janet got style and soul that Madonna will never posess. She can also cut a rug better, too.

I've said my piece.

TD3 said:

To be considered overrated you'd have to have some talent, no?

I've never been a "big fan" of either:

Madonna - the ONE song she made that I really like/want to listen to is "get into the groove"

otherwise.. eh.. I give her "credit" for maximizing her.. "talent" (singing talent.. not so much.. not even after "Evita"..)

I still remember her on "American Bandstand" when she TOLD Dick Clark:

(I want to)"rule the world"

& Madonna has basically done that.

for better or for worse.

Janet - "Ms Jackson" - the 1 song she made that I halfway like was that 1 "I get so lonely"

(or something like that)

Janet had.. "some talent".. but no doubt - she got over having 1 WORLD FAMOUS older brother

&

the benefit of 2 of the biggest producers of all time - the biggest producers of the 80s - Jam & Lewis.

otherwise, with Janet.. like others (here on the .org) have said: Janet's put a lot of energy in trying to be "hot" & "sexy" & "seductive".. even as she's approaching "the big 5-0"

(NOT to say that a woman cannot or should not exude that.. many women of that age can & do, & I find many of them.. nice..)

so I call myself "neutral" or "impartial".. & I would say that

Madonna

is the more "overrated" between these 2.. but Madonna "worked harder" to become more overrated (not sure if that's a "good thing" or not)

I don't really dislike either of them.. I'm simply not that into the music that they've made

over the entirety of their careers. they've both had "cultural" impact as well as (some) musical impact, they've worked hard to get to where they are.

too bad they both belittle themselves by sniping at each other.

I would LOVE to see - I might even become a "casual fan" of 1 or the other - if either would simply take the HIGH ROAD & not take shots at the other.

JUST IMAGINE if 1 said about the other, something like:

"oh.. she said THAT about me. wow, oh well.

I've always been a fan of hers/respected her work.

if she actually likes me or not - that's on her.

maybe 1 day we'll sit down & talk about it.

life is TOO SHORT for her to be hatin' on me

or

for me to be hatin' on her.."

if only..

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Madonna. Only thing I liked outta her was Evita.

Janet got style and soul that Madonna will never posess. She can also cut a rug better, too.

I've said my piece.

gotta be kidding! i liked the music but even as a die-hard fan, she and that movie and were insufferable

Madonna...

But like someone said earlier she has worked a bit harder in sustaining her career especially in the 00's not saying Janet hasnt but it seems she has put her music in the back burner...

I also think alot of the credit and influence Madonna gets really Janet deserves

badujunkie said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Madonna. Only thing I liked outta her was Evita.

Janet got style and soul that Madonna will never posess. She can also cut a rug better, too.

I've said my piece.

gotta be kidding! i liked the music but even as a die-hard fan, she and that movie and were insufferable

Perhaps I should've specified. I liked the music more than I liked the actual movie. She actaully gave some good vocals there.

And I like some other stuff that would've, under normal conditions, made her a one-hit 80's wonder. Stuff like "Like A Virgin", "Tru Blu", and "Get Into The Groove"...

I never was really moved by any of her stuff, to be honest. The occasional catchy song will make me move, but that's about it.

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ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

badujunkie said:

gotta be kidding! i liked the music but even as a die-hard fan, she and that movie and were insufferable

Perhaps I should've specified. I liked the music more than I liked the actual movie. She actaully gave some good vocals there.

And I like some other stuff that would've, under normal conditions, made her a one-hit 80's wonder. Stuff like "Like A Virgin", "Tru Blu", and "Get Into The Groove"...

I never was really moved by any of her stuff, to be honest. The occasional catchy song will make me move, but that's about it.

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I like the actual movie.

'Another Suitcase, Another Hall,' 'High Flying Adored,'

Actually I think I'm going to watch it tonight. We'll see.

mjscarousal said:

Madonna...

But like someone said earlier she has worked a bit harder in sustaining her career especially in the 00's not saying Janet hasnt but it seems she has put her music in the back burner...

I also think alot of the credit and influence Madonna gets really Janet deserves

I enjoy more 00's Madonna albums than Janet ones but I also agree Madonna gets way more credit than Janet and I find that unfair. Britney Spears is getting the credit Janet deserves, but Janet's passion for it is not the same though I loved her last album

Janet is a great dancer. I was into the Control era over most anything else that she ever put out. To be honest I'm not crazy about Janet's voice or Madonna's voice. I generally stay out of their topics for the most part because I'm not a huge fan of Janet's, and not a fan of Madonna at all. I was drawn to this site because of Prince, for obvious reasons. Most artists that I'm heavily into have strong voices, and are in that vein. Otherwise, I really can't get into them as much, and I have tried.

RKJCNE said:

Rayan said:

I don't think either of them is overrated. for them to sustain careers that long definitely accounts for something. now personal preference is another matter.

THIS.

I'm wiith U 2 on that

all this hen pecking is just people personal junk

alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

Madonna...

But like someone said earlier she has worked a bit harder in sustaining her career especially in the 00's not saying Janet hasnt but it seems she has put her music in the back burner...

I also think alot of the credit and influence Madonna gets really Janet deserves

I enjoy more 00's Madonna albums than Janet ones but I also agree Madonna gets way more credit than Janet and I find that unfair. Britney Spears is getting the credit Janet deserves, but Janet's passion for it is not the same though I loved her last album

I don't think Madonna 'getting more credit' than Janet is a realistic thought. And how is Madonna getting more credit?

I love Control - Velvet Rope Janet, but Rhythm Nation Janet was HUGE,

Janet in my opinion stayed out of the scene for too long between albums, that's sorta what keeps her on a certain lower level. She sorta has to break away from the huge band & dancers set up.

I would like to see her do more 'rock' like You Could Be Mine, Black Cat, If, I like to see her do more Janet + band and less dancers. Have a more defined overall look (keep the same band and few dancers and singers) the solo Pleasure Principle vibe I love

I think she can play piano, she she should work on that and start playing live. Do more small sets at smaller venues

i dont think either of them are overrated, in order for that to happen they would have to be praised and hyped as being great,ect. these 2 ladies are dissed more then they are praised, people try to discredit their accompishments and give others the credit for their iconic careers.im not a madonna fan but you cant dismiss her career, i think her and janet have a catalog of music that can stand up against anybody. you cant call somebody overrated based on their fans, thats what fans do. the argument that janet hasnt had a hit in 15 years dont erase the dozens of hits she's had over the last 3 decades. and can somebody please tell me what exactly did michael do to help janet's career? her albums flopped during the height of his success,her music is totally different from his and she was way hotter then him in the 90s.

lowkey said:

i dont think either of them are overrated, in order for that to happen they would have to be praised and hyped as being great,ect. these 2 ladies are dissed more then they are praised, people try to discredit their accompishments and give others the credit for their iconic careers.im not a madonna fan but you cant dismiss her career, i think her and janet have a catalog of music that can stand up against anybody. you cant call somebody overrated based on their fans, thats what fans do. the argument that janet hasnt had a hit in 15 years dont erase the dozens of hits she's had over the last 3 decades. and can somebody please tell me what exactly did michael do to help janet's career? her albums flopped during the height of his success,her music is totally different from his and she was way hotter then him in the 90s.

You mean the U.S. or internationally?

In the U.S. - maybe ... but in the whole world ?.... you're probably kidding?

There is no continent in the world where sales, position in the charts and popularity of Janet in the 90's would be higher than her brother. What are your facts??

Janet. Jam & Lewis were the driving force.

The only overrated artist still in the music industry today for me is Britney Spears. She makes Madonna and Janet look like Mozart and Beethoven.

As much as I've loved her over the years, Janet benefitted greatly from 2 things: her brother being Michael Jackson, and Madonna creating a template for her career beyond her brother's shadow.

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Id hate to day ot but Im the most honest motherfucker on the org but Janet is more overrated. She is more pop rnb princess while Madonna is more culturally relevant. Since day one of her debut.

I honestly would hate to give that bitch I love n hate this credit, but it is what it is.