vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

There's billions of people on earth. Are you saying they all go to "inner city" schools and write raps?

Do you think people are concerned with what people are listening to over in India, or Egypt, and the backside of Timbuktu? Folks don't give a damn about that. They want to hear something good in their area and they don't want to "search for it".

Bollywood musicals are popular. Jermaine Jackson recorded some songs with Indian singers in the last few years.

rdhull said:

As long as white people keep buying music, it will never die.

As opposed to what? Stealing it??

I'm curious - how do non-white people get their music?

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Do you think people are concerned with what people are listening to over in India, or Egypt, and the backside of Timbuktu? Folks don't give a damn about that. They want to hear something good in their area and they don't want to "search for it".

Bollywood musicals are popular. Jermaine Jackson recorded some songs with Indian singers in the last few years.

I've been exposed to a little of Bollywood. I was at an Indian event and to my surprise, they were not only throwing down, but throwing down hard. What I heard sounded like Indian house music and the food was absolutely wonderful....spicy and hot as Hell's fire, not to mention the Indian men too. I've been going to the Indian restaurant every since.

madhattter said:

Rap is sooooooooooooooo boring. The real musicians are comming back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The day that Hip Hop shared the same chart with R&B was the day I was convinced that music was dying a slow death. Rap sucks. Any clown on the street can do it if they have good poetic skill and knowledge of language usage. Bring back the REAL deal. Rap has had it's day. And what does it accomplish?...It teaches a new and unintelligible vernacular. Nice example for our children who struggle enough with the basics of English. 'Nuff said.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Do you think people are concerned with what people are listening to over in India, or Egypt, and the backside of Timbuktu? Folks don't give a damn about that. They want to hear something good in their area and they don't want to "search for it".

Bollywood musicals are popular. Jermaine Jackson recorded some songs with Indian singers in the last few years.

Jermaine is the 2nd most relevent living Jackson. That being said, he's about a mile away from Janet who's barely relevant anymore

aardvark15 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Bollywood musicals are popular. Jermaine Jackson recorded some songs with Indian singers in the last few years.

Jermaine is the 2nd most relevent living Jackson. That being said, he's about a mile away from Janet who's barely relevant anymore

If you've seen my threads (or not ), I don't care about who's relevant.

Okay, that's it.

Just saw this on Facebook.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Okay, that's it.

Just saw this on Facebook.

I feel so old (and I actually feel good about that in this case).

I have NO idea what they're talking about!

I do know it sucks, aurally and visually.

CynicKill said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Okay, that's it.

Just saw this on Facebook.

I feel so old (and I actually feel good about that in this case).

I have NO idea what they're talking about!

I do know it sucks, aurally and visually.

Basically,

"Weed, black person."

why aren't they writing lyrics about "let's find/create legitimate jobs for ourselves brothas," or "let's educate our community against violence," or "how can stop stereo-typing ourselves?" then maybe when people think of places where black people live, the term "ghetto" can be eliminated in terms of labeling the areas. maybe then people will stop being filled with fear and dread when visiting, or returning home.

or why not write lyrics about pride, dignity, respect for each other, love of our families, building a better world, the beauty of our earth, caring for the/our children or let's care more about our schools for our children's future.

rap's death is due to the primary mentality and lack of education of the writers. i'll bet if you gathered 10 of the top rappers together and accessed their combined educational background, the average level of formal schooling would probably top off at 10-11th grade. q. where do you see these kush nucca morons in the video 10yrs from today?

b. stuck here with the kush and krime?

People want rappers to write uplifting and "heal the world" songs, but don't ask heavy metal or country groups to do that. Writing songs about saving things don't solve anything. Look at all of the hippy peace and love music of the 1960's. Did it stop wars and fighting? Do gospel songs make an atheist a believer? The songs aren't the problem. Music didn't build a ghetto. It doesn't make or sell drugs or shoot people. Music is just sounds on a tape. People were drinking, doing drugs, fighting, and killing each other long before records were even invented.

MickyDolenz said:

People want rappers to write uplifting and "heal the world" songs, but don't ask heavy metal or country groups to do that. Writing songs about saving things don't solve anything. Look at all of the hippy peace and love music of the 1960's. Did it stop wars and fighting? Do gospel songs make an atheist a believer? The songs aren't the problem. Music didn't build a ghetto. It doesn't make or sell drugs or shoot people. Music is just sounds on a tape. People were drinking, doing drugs, fighting, and killing each other long before records were even invented.

Well your right but the issue with rap is.. anybody can be a rapper but hip hop is more so a culturally base thing.

That is why hip hop was invented and came to be. It was an avenue for black youth to vent about their life, issues, problems, crime, street life etc... It had more sincerity to it than it does now... Rap doesnt necessarily have to be political all the time. Rappers such as Heavy D and LL COOL J are some of the greatest but their work wasnt political but it was lighthearted fun... not really watered down generic music that is commonly put out now in the rap game...

The issue is people expect rappers to make hip hop but its a difference. They expect it to be the way it was during the late 80s and 90's and that is just not happening... Rap has gotten to commercial.

mjscarousal said:

Well your right but the issue with rap is.. anybody can be a rapper but hip hop is more so a culturally base thing.

That is why hip hop was invented and came to be. It was an avenue for black youth to vent about their life, issues, problems, crime, street life etc...

Not exactly true. The majority of early rap records were just party music, it had no social message. Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five are now mostly known for The Message. But their stuff before that had little to do with it.

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MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

Well your right but the issue with rap is.. anybody can be a rapper but hip hop is more so a culturally base thing.

That is why hip hop was invented and came to be. It was an avenue for black youth to vent about their life, issues, problems, crime, street life etc...

Not exactly true. The majority of early rap records were just party music, it had no social message. Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five are now mostly known for The Message. But their stuff before that had little to do with it.

I agree most of 1980's rap was far from venting about life issues problems crime and street life

Run DMC

UTFO & Roxanna

LL Cool J

the Fat Boys

most of this stuff was very playfull fun music

MickyDolenz said:

People want rappers to write uplifting and "heal the world" songs, but don't ask heavy metal or country groups to do that. Writing songs about saving things don't solve anything. Look at all of the hippy peace and love music of the 1960's. Did it stop wars and fighting? Do gospel songs make an atheist a believer? The songs aren't the problem. Music didn't build a ghetto. It doesn't make or sell drugs or shoot people. Music is just sounds on a tape. People were drinking, doing drugs, fighting, and killing each other long before records were even invented.

I think a lot of the more negative aspects of rap lyrics in the last 15 years are very different from heavy metal & country music. And to even put those last 2 together is very different spectrums

Heavy Metal and Rock at times does have a similar venting of male issues theme

But a lot of Metal/Rock music has everyday themes coming from a amped up place

Country Music, now I get a good dose of it, the guy I share an office space is a big country music fan.

A lot of County music is very uplifting, and sometimes meloncholy, pro-American, pro-family, pro-friendship, reflecting on the important things of life ... I hear a few too many songs about someone finding out they are dying and finally catching onto the real important things of life.

And Gospel Music was initially a religious express for other believers, not for atheists. The messages were focused on the christians experience.

Music in general has a very influential affect. This can't be denied. The right song can make you cry angry happy or whatever other emotion u can think of. With the right person it can assist them in working out, making love, loving others, being progressive, or hating others, hurting others, hurting self,

Some music/songs should not be listened to if you are sad or close to being depressed, it can help take u to low places.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think a lot of the more negative aspects of rap lyrics in the last 15 years are very different from heavy metal & country music. And to even put those last 2 together is very different spectrums

Heavy Metal and Rock at times does have a similar venting of male issues theme

But a lot of Metal/Rock music has everyday themes coming from a amped up place

Country Music, now I get a good dose of it, the guy I share an office space is a big country music fan.

A lot of County music is very uplifting, and sometimes meloncholy, pro-American, pro-family, pro-friendship, reflecting on the important things of life ... I hear a few too many songs about someone finding out they are dying and finally catching onto the real important things of life.

And Gospel Music was initially a religious express for other believers, not for atheists. The messages were focused on the christians experience.

Music in general has a very influential affect. This can't be denied. The right song can make you cry angry happy or whatever other emotion u can think of. With the right person it can assist them in working out, making love, loving others, being progressive, or hating others, hurting others, hurting self,

Some music/songs should not be listened to if you are sad or close to being depressed, it can help take u to low places.

A lot of country music (at least older country, not this pop country that's out now) is also about getting drunk and fighting at the honky tonk. I mentioned gospel because I was responding to the post above mine saying rappers should write songs about getting an education instead of what they're releasing now. Speeches only reach those that already know about it. Hence an athiest is not going to seek out music talking about Jesus or Buddah. In the same way, a person who want to hear about drugs and shooting is not going likely to buy a song about getting rid of ghetto stereotypes. A guy that likes action movies is not as likely to want to watch a "chick flick". Music may be influential, but why is whatever message there in the music? If someone is going to do something, they were going to do it in the first place. People go to horror movies. Do they all go out and slash people? Look at Charles Manson. He took a song about a roller coaster (Helter Skelter) and said it was about a race war.

I hate a lot of the Eurodance shit....living in Europe I allready had my share

in the 90´s and now it´s back....killing the Rap/R&B groove I really liked..

I loved Pharrell and Timbaland...Jay-Z and some more...Not all of the commercial stuff but still

it was a genre I really enjoyed from Snoop´s Doggystyle untill Jay-Z´s Black album...2 bad!!

MickyDolenz said:

1. People want rappers to write uplifting and "heal the world" songs, but don't ask heavy metal or country groups to do that.

2.Writing songs about saving things don't solve anything.

-Look at all of the hippy peace and love music of the 1960's.

a. Did it stop wars and fighting?

3. Do gospel songs make an atheist a believer?

- The songs aren't the problem.

4. Music didn't build a ghetto.

a. It doesn't make or sell drugs or shoot people.

- Music is just sounds on a tape.

5. People were drinking, doing drugs, fighting, and killing each other long before records were even invented.

1. While the music situation may not be as intense as "people wanting rappers to write uplifting and etc. songs, it cannot be assumed that other catagories of music and the musicians have not been approached to perform "heal the world" songs

2. Positive words in songs create a more harmonious mindset. As we all know the peace movement of the sixties was framed with drugs. Some people were saved during that time. They are the folks that are still trying to make things right in our society.

- So, due to drugs (and C. Manson's fiendish fiasco and etc) what could have been a successful movement was rendered null and void by the drug powers and users that were there at the time.

a. the music of that time (60's) may have not completely stop the war, but songs like

link: "War" by Edwin Starr (Original Video - 1969)

surely helped to end the war in vietnam. not to mention songs by the beatles, bob dylan, jimi hendrix and many other great musicians of the times.

3. songs do nothing more than enhance a person's mindset. if a person chooses to be an athiest or believer, imo it's that person's individual freedom to do so. how a person uses music or what arena they choose to use it in should always be a positive experience.

- songs lyrics can become a problem if they incite violence, self depreciation/mutilation or set a negative standard for those under 16yrs. (i could go on here save the time and space)

4. No, music did not build the ghettos. Economic imbalance in our society has created poor black communities/aka: ghettos. or it might be because lack of enough available jobs for the populous in the areas, no revenue from the working class to support the educational systems in black community areas. (side bar: take a look at these terrains, then look up gentrification).

5. You are right, people did there do's long before records and etc., but why create violent lyrics that further bring women down, that make the ganster/thug/prison life the only video images that the record companies support?

why?

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free2bfreeda said:

5. You are right, people did there do's long before records and etc., but why create violent lyrics that further bring women down, that make the ganster/thug/prison life the only video images that the record companies support?

You can say this about anything. Shakespere, Harry Potter, video games, action movies, cop shows, fans at soccer games, hazing, Edgar Allen Poe, etc. Even the Bible is full of violence, incest, murder, etc. Why are these things popular? Companies are only out to make money, and the way to do that is to give the people what they want. Why are there more McDonald's than vegan restaurants? Because most people don't want vegan food. The US government banned alcohol in the 1920's. How well did that work out? It gave the mafia more power, because they sold bootleg liquor. People wanted booze, so they went out and got it. If people weren't interested in the thug life music, it wouldn't sell, and the companies wouldn't put it out. Porn makes more money than the entire regular entertainment industry: movies, TV, and music. Why is that? Because more people buy porn.

MickyDolenz said:

free2bfreeda said:

5. You are right, people did there do's long before records and etc., but why create violent lyrics that further bring women down, that make the ganster/thug/prison life the only video images that the record companies support?

You can say this about anything. Shakespere, Harry Potter, video games, action movies, cop shows, fans at soccer games, hazing, Edgar Allen Poe, etc. Even the Bible is full of violence, incest, murder, etc. Why are these things popular? Companies are only out to make money, and the way to do that is to give the people what they want. Why are there more McDonald's than vegan restaurants? Because most people don't want vegan food. The US government banned alcohol in the 1920's. How well did that work out? It gave the mafia more power, because they sold bootleg liquor. People wanted booze, so they went out and got it. If people weren't interested in the thug life music, it wouldn't sell, and the companies wouldn't put it out. Porn makes more money than the entire regular entertainment industry: movies, TV, and music. Why is that? Because more people buy porn.

well there you go!

however color me hopeful in helping to create positive change in today's world,

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

Well your right but the issue with rap is.. anybody can be a rapper but hip hop is more so a culturally base thing.

That is why hip hop was invented and came to be. It was an avenue for black youth to vent about their life, issues, problems, crime, street life etc...

Not exactly true. The majority of early rap records were just party music, it had no social message. Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five are now mostly known for The Message. But their stuff before that had little to do with it.

[Edited 2/2/12 8:54am]

But that is the kind of music people are looking for in hip hop currently. They are looking for more depth..

mjscarousal said:

MickyDolenz said:

Not exactly true. The majority of early rap records were just party music, it had no social message. Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five are now mostly known for The Message. But their stuff before that had little to do with it.

But that is the kind of music people are looking for in hip hop currently. They are looking for more depth..

Some people might want that, but not the majority. Conscious rap has never been big, it's vegan food.

MickyDolenz said:

free2bfreeda said:

5. You are right, people did there do's long before records and etc., but why create violent lyrics that further bring women down, that make the ganster/thug/prison life the only video images that the record companies support?

You can say this about anything. Shakespere, Harry Potter, video games, action movies, cop shows, fans at soccer games, hazing, Edgar Allen Poe, etc. Even the Bible is full of violence, incest, murder, etc. Why are these things popular? Companies are only out to make money, and the way to do that is to give the people what they want. Why are there more McDonald's than vegan restaurants? Because most people don't want vegan food. The US government banned alcohol in the 1920's. How well did that work out? It gave the mafia more power, because they sold bootleg liquor. People wanted booze, so they went out and got it. If people weren't interested in the thug life music, it wouldn't sell, and the companies wouldn't put it out. Porn makes more money than the entire regular entertainment industry: movies, TV, and music. Why is that? Because more people buy porn.

And droves of young people are dressing and immitating Shakespearian characters, video game characters, bible characters, etc. and going out committing crimes? Hell no, they aren't. Maybe a few incidents but not everyday occurences every time you turn on the news. But they are dressing and immitating a bunch of shit hop characters and committing crimes. Yeah, Rick James was as negative as they come also but you never saw anyone on the news being thrown into a police car for robbing a store wearing glittery braids, satin pants, and thigh high boots. The average person isn't as bold and flamboyant as these characters and wouldn't have the guts to dress like them in public, much less commit a crime dressed like them.

Shit hop is just as plain and ordinary looking as it is dull and it's very easy to immitate. You can name any examples of other shit that you want to and all that is doing is standing in the way of folks trying to get rid of that bullshit. I wouldn't give a damn if the fucking tooth fairy was creating a negative image, it's long past the time for shit hop to die and it needs to die by any means necessary.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

You can say this about anything. Shakespere, Harry Potter, video games, action movies, cop shows, fans at soccer games, hazing, Edgar Allen Poe, etc. Even the Bible is full of violence, incest, murder, etc. Why are these things popular? Companies are only out to make money, and the way to do that is to give the people what they want. Why are there more McDonald's than vegan restaurants? Because most people don't want vegan food. The US government banned alcohol in the 1920's. How well did that work out? It gave the mafia more power, because they sold bootleg liquor. People wanted booze, so they went out and got it. If people weren't interested in the thug life music, it wouldn't sell, and the companies wouldn't put it out. Porn makes more money than the entire regular entertainment industry: movies, TV, and music. Why is that? Because more people buy porn.

And droves of young people are dressing and immitating Shakespearian characters, video game characters, bible characters, etc. and going out committing crimes? Hell no, they aren't. Maybe a few incidents but not everyday occurences every time you turn on the news. But they are dressing and immitating a bunch of shit hop characters and committing crimes. Yeah, Rick James was as negative as they come also but you never saw anyone on the news being thrown into a police car for robbing a store wearing glittery braids, satin pants, and thigh high boots. The average person isn't as bold and flamboyant as these characters and wouldn't have the guts to dress like them in public, much less commit a crime dressed like them.

Shit hop is just as plain and ordinary looking as it is dull and it's very easy to immitate. You can name any examples of other shit that you want to and all that is doing is standing in the way of folks trying to get rid of that bullshit. I wouldn't give a damn if the fucking tooth fairy was creating a negative image, it's long past the time for shit hop to die and it needs to die by any means necessary.

Saying hip hop fashion causes crime is like saying a woman dressed skimpy is asking to be raped or Muslims are terrorists. It's no different than saying only rednecks wearing overalls listen to country music and chew tobacco. I guess the only crimes in the whole existence of the world has been because people were listening to rap.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

And droves of young people are dressing and immitating Shakespearian characters, video game characters, bible characters, etc. and going out committing crimes? Hell no, they aren't. Maybe a few incidents but not everyday occurences every time you turn on the news. But they are dressing and immitating a bunch of shit hop characters and committing crimes. Yeah, Rick James was as negative as they come also but you never saw anyone on the news being thrown into a police car for robbing a store wearing glittery braids, satin pants, and thigh high boots. The average person isn't as bold and flamboyant as these characters and wouldn't have the guts to dress like them in public, much less commit a crime dressed like them.

Shit hop is just as plain and ordinary looking as it is dull and it's very easy to immitate. You can name any examples of other shit that you want to and all that is doing is standing in the way of folks trying to get rid of that bullshit. I wouldn't give a damn if the fucking tooth fairy was creating a negative image, it's long past the time for shit hop to die and it needs to die by any means necessary.

Saying hip hop fashion causes crime is like saying a woman dressed skimpy is asking to be raped or Muslims are terrorists. It's no different than saying only rednecks wearing overalls listen to country music and chew tobacco. I guess the only crimes in the whole existence of the world has been because people were listening to rap.

The clothes, they lyrics, the image, the attitude....there's a whole lot that goes into it and yes there are "positive" shit hoppers before you start giving examples of them but the majority of it is a bunch of bullshit and even the "positive" ones are just as boring as fucking sitting and listening to the grass grow.

The fact of the matter is, the bullshit has dominated the R&B for 20 years now and it's long past due that it died and as far as "live and let live", fuck that because they haven't let other things come in and naturally take over like they always have.

You can pull every example and scenerio out of your hat that you want to and that doesn't change my mind whatsoever. It is THE dullest thing to happen to R&B in R&B HISTORY and whatever it takes to get rid of the bullshit, fair or unfair, I really don't care, I'm all for it and support it 100%. In fact, I'm at the point now that when shit hop's death finally does happen, I actually HOPE it's unfair because it's not fair that it has dominated for so long and it DESERVE's to get an unfair death. I hope these motherfuckers download as much free shit as they can and I also encourage them to do so because it needs to die one way or another. As I said before, by any means necessary, fair or unfair.

Now, top that.

^^Saying you want it to go away and saying it causes crime are two different things. Crime happened before gangsta rap. There were gangs before hip hop. There are gangs that don't listen to rap. People who don't listen to rap are not saints and they commit crimes too. Rap does not cause illiteracy either, like another poster said above. Some Neo Nazi skinheads listen to reggae, a genre that has mostly black performers. Does reggae cause someone to be a racist Nazi? Does listening to Judy Garland or Barbra Striesand change someone into a homosexual?

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

But that is the kind of music people are looking for in hip hop currently. They are looking for more depth..

Some people might want that, but not the majority. Conscious rap has never been big, it's vegan food.

No MOST people just simple dont care but I can argue more than half do though but dont care to change that... remember mainstream caters to the youth demographic. I understand serious rap has never been that majorly huge but the quality was a bit better. Even the lighthearted ones from LL and Heavy D were alot better than the mess we have now...

MickyDolenz said:

^^Saying you want it to go away and saying it causes crime are two different things. Crime happened before gangsta rap. There were gangs before hip hop. There are gangs that don't listen to rap. People who don't listen to rap are not saints and they commit crimes too. Rap does not cause illiteracy either, like another poster said above. Some Neo Nazi skinheads listen to reggae, a genre that has mostly black performers. Does reggae cause someone to be a racist Nazi? Does listening to Judy Garland or Barbra Striesand change someone into a homosexual?

it's may be it's the visual image and the glamourizatin of such that creates a catalyst to enhance today's thug mentality. low life images sell when minds become terrible and wasted.

imo seeing the video view of this lifestyle by those who live it, creates an illusion of the 15minutes of stardom-syndrome. (kinda like the films in europe 1938 created an illusion.)

remember: ghettos are prisons for the poor and disenfranchised people. pls stop using the term.

(but then i side bar the topic of this thread. )

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free2bfreeda said:

it's may be it's the visual image and the glamourizatin of such that creates a catalyst to enhance today's thug mentality. low life images sell when minds become terrible and wasted.

imo seeing the video view of this lifestyle by those who live it, creates an illusion of the 15minutes of stardom-syndrome. (kinda like the films in europe 1938 created an illusion.)

remember: ghettos are prisons for the poor and disenfranchised people. pls stop using the term.

(but then i side bar the topic of this thread. )

Poor people don't only live in urban housing projects. There's poor people in places like rural Appalachia. There's the Dalits in India. There's sex slaves in Tailand. None of it has anything to do with the type of music they listen to. Capitalism can't work without someone being rich and someone being poor.

MickyDolenz said:

^^Saying you want it to go away and saying it causes crime are two different things. Crime happened before gangsta rap. There were gangs before hip hop. There are gangs that don't listen to rap. People who don't listen to rap are not saints and they commit crimes too. Rap does not cause illiteracy either, like another poster said above. Some Neo Nazi skinheads listen to reggae, a genre that has mostly black performers. Does reggae cause someone to be a racist Nazi? Does listening to Judy Garland or Barbra Striesand change someone into a homosexual?

Nobody said gangs and crime didn't exist before shit hop. Hell, the Al Capone era has been glamorized for years and yes, it was also glamorized in R&B music also with groups like The Time and Lakeside. The pimp thing has also been glamorized for ages also and lots of people have immitated these things. Hell, I have a closet full of brim hats to this very day and I've dressed in zoot suits and fur coats my damn self in the past. It takes spending a little money to do so and also a little indiduality and guts to be so flamboyant because the majority of the rest of the people in the streets, or I'll just narrow it down to the clubs because that's where most people like to flaunt it, don't dress that way.

However, you go into a club these days, mainly one for the R&B crowd, and you are going to see droves of people in sagging ass jeans, baseball caps, T shirts, etc. These are simply average items and any average Joe of the street can easily buy all that shit in the nearest Walmart. No, it won't have the high priced brand name on it, but it will look just the same. And the person will not only fit in, but also blend perfectly into the club without getting a second glance whatsoever from people. It takes no guts, nor individuality, and very little money, time and effort whatsoever to dress the way the criminal image has been glamorized these days. It is extremely easy more now than ever in the past to look the part and combine that with someone who not only worships the look, but also worships the criminal attitude and a lot of the violent lyrics in much of the music, then it makes it very easy for the average person to live out and commit the crimes that these idiots love rapping about. Lord knows, it would be easy for them to do it because hell, they would blend in with so much of the rest of the crowd so when the victim of a crime gives the description of the criminal "baggy jeans, big ass T shirt, baseball cap, hoodie, etc" well hell, there's a thousand other people on the street just like them. When is the last time you saw someone on the news being put into a police car dressed like a 1920s gangster since it was actually during the 1920s? Very rarely. They would stick out like a sore thumb on the street when they tried to escape. And groups like The Time and Lakeside that glamorized the look, didn't have the criminal lyrics to go along with the look.

You know as well as I do, that shit hop has glamorized criminals to a much more widespread point than any other era in the history of music to the point that they can go out and actually live out the parts of what they are seeing on the album covers and in the videos. But whether you believe it or not, I really don't give a damn. I wouldn't give a damn if they were immitating Mary Poppins, that fucking shit needs to die and whatever argument that people that oppose it want to use, I hope they use it till the cows come home and don't back down from it until they get some progress made.

But the "criminal" approach has never been my approach in trying to turn people off to it anyway. Yes, I mention it, but I don't see it as being effective because people that like it will just laugh at that because it's always "cool" when someone doesn't like something that's considered "bad". Lots of folks want to be into things considered "bad" and laugh at the stuff shirts, myself included because I don't like goodie two shoes folks either. A better approach is to insult them, immasculate the music, and turn it around into something "nerdy" and "dorky" in hopes that it will turn them off. And Lord knows, it's certainly as slow and dull as a Lawrence Welk concert, classical music, a symphony, an opera, and anything else that has been considered "nerdy" and "dorky" for ages. And since it has no rhythm, and taking into consideration that it was black music that put rhythm into mainstream music during the swing and rock and roll eras, hell, attack the shit hoppers' "blackness" also. True, not all black folks have rhythm or are into rhythm, but since so many shit hoppers think they are absolute definition of what "black" is, start comparing the music to the dorkiest "whitest" music possible because you could definitely put a shit hop record on one turntable and a classical record on another turntable and mix them without ever having to slide the pitch control. If anything, you'd have to slow the classical record down to match the tempo. But hey, whatever works. Fight dirty with it and if something strikes a nerve, stick with it. Take the "cool" out of shit hop.

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