Timmy84 said:

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mjscarousal said:

cbarnes3121 said:

i just had a big argument today at work about janet and i feel she is sooo underated people love 2 throw shade saying she cant sing 2 each its own but i rather have her than beyonce her oversings. but its not a competition its room for both of em at the top but beyonce really makes me sick. i think if it wasnt for the homos and the lessy that wanna be her or get wit her she wouldnt be all that

Thats the ONLY thing you can throw at Janet but thats a given and I think SHE even knows that..

She is a very talented dancer.

She is not a bad actress

She is not a bad songer writer- average

She is attractive has stage presence etc...

She has a strong catalogue despite her recent failure to produce a hit and has made influential albums. (Which are essential in the reasons as to why she IS an Icon and IS influential)

I rather take a okay singer who makes great music than a singer who oversings, screams etc and makes horrible music and has made no impact...

Your right ... it is not a competition because there is no comparision BUT I find issue with an artist lets say since YOU BROUGHT HER UP Beyonce who is given credit for things.. things an artist such as Janet had already put in place WAY before she was even born.. Yes I find issue with that

She does a lot with her voice. She's not a Whitney Houston or Celine Dion, but she means what she sings and sings different on many tracks, and adjusts her voice based on the style. I do think that on later albums, the vocals got just a little lazy, except on a few tracks. And on Rock Witchu, she sounded really good live and I can't imagine her singing I Get Lonely any other way, whether on her or anyone else, it just wouldn't sound right.

carosual: So what was Velvet Rope era like for you if you remember it?

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I loved that the fact that she performed with just about half of The Time on this one:

Sorry for the poor quality though... Oh yeah, Jerome cracks me up starting around the 1:22 mark. That boy's a fool.

duccichucka said:

I will never understand Janet Jackson's popularity here.

Pretty voice, pretty woman, damn good videos and dance music.

Not really that hard to see her appeal.

alphastreet said:

This is for the 0 to 18 at the time Velvet Rope was released. Did your peer group enjoy Janet Jackson at this time of kiddy bands and post-2pac/Biggie hip hop? I was 14 and though people liked Together Again and I Get Lonely, it was mainly those who liked r&b if they weren't into pop, and even then they seemed to like her older stuff better and cared less than before. It made me sad cause it was my favourite album and felt everyone had to hear it, but some were too immature to give her a second look and were not liking her red hair and that tattoo, or calling her lesbian and laughing, and I didn't get what that had to do with the music.

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...Who did you hang out around?

Everybody I knew at least liked "I Get Lonely".

I was big on "You" and that last hidden track.

Dren5 said:

alphastreet said:

This is for the 0 to 18 at the time Velvet Rope was released. Did your peer group enjoy Janet Jackson at this time of kiddy bands and post-2pac/Biggie hip hop? I was 14 and though people liked Together Again and I Get Lonely, it was mainly those who liked r&b if they weren't into pop, and even then they seemed to like her older stuff better and cared less than before. It made me sad cause it was my favourite album and felt everyone had to hear it, but some were too immature to give her a second look and were not liking her red hair and that tattoo, or calling her lesbian and laughing, and I didn't get what that had to do with the music.

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...Who did you hang out around?

Everybody I knew at least liked "I Get Lonely".

I was big on "You" and that last hidden track.

I hung around my friends outside of school, they liked Together Again and I Get Lonely and several had the singles or the TA remix from the radio though not the album, but the people at school who were into r&b/hip hop overall didn't care for her if I brought them up, some did, some didn't, they preferred her older stuff. And those who liked teeny bopper acts just were too young to know her older stuff and some might have liked Together again, but I mentioned my cousin earlier that I didn't hang out with, I had seen her after so long, brought up Janet and she was weird about her a couple of times, and I got along better with her sister older than her and it turned out she was a fan too and I had no idea and we saw the VR show together Oh yeah I just remembered, another cousin and I loved Go Deep when we met again after a family wedding and I didn't have the booklet and forgot the words, so we were writing them down from the mixtape I had and laughing, and she likes to play it whenever she sees me But she didn't have VR either, and always loved MJ way more

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alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats the ONLY thing you can throw at Janet but thats a given and I think SHE even knows that..

She is a very talented dancer.

She is not a bad actress

She is not a bad songer writer- average

She is attractive has stage presence etc...

She has a strong catalogue despite her recent failure to produce a hit and has made influential albums. (Which are essential in the reasons as to why she IS an Icon and IS influential)

I rather take a okay singer who makes great music than a singer who oversings, screams etc and makes horrible music and has made no impact...

Your right ... it is not a competition because there is no comparision BUT I find issue with an artist lets say since YOU BROUGHT HER UP Beyonce who is given credit for things.. things an artist such as Janet had already put in place WAY before she was even born.. Yes I find issue with that

She does a lot with her voice. She's not a Whitney Houston or Celine Dion, but she means what she sings and sings different on many tracks, and adjusts her voice based on the style. I do think that on later albums, the vocals got just a little lazy, except on a few tracks. And on Rock Witchu, she sounded really good live and I can't imagine her singing I Get Lonely any other way, whether on her or anyone else, it just wouldn't sound right.

carosual: So what was Velvet Rope era like for you if you remember it?

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I was to young to remember it... I was to little lol but I do have aspects about this era that I adore.. While this isnt my favorite Janet era... I love this era because it was her most personal and you got a glimpse of how Janet was and felt as a person beyond being an entertainer... I loved the red hair, I loved the natural look, I love the septum piercing... that really is my most favorite thing as far as style goes from this era....

I love how she took a risk with this album and experiemented with different sounds. This album is very eclectic. She goes through neo soul, r&b, soul, funk, rock, etc.... all the songs stand on there own and the topics are all different...

Since graduating high school, I'm not around too many people my age anymore, but as a 19 year old my peers don't even mention Janet. She's in the same league as Whitney to most teens/early 20s, which is a washed-up has-been. I don't know how to put this and I don't want to offend anyone, but most young people don't surf message boards all day long talking about how today's music sucks and posting 20 year old videos. I've been using internet forums a while now (since '07), and I now realize it's a different world (the interent world, that is). Internet stans of artists spend all their time on youtube and message boards arguing about who's an icon and who infuenced who. Nobody outside the cyber world gives a shit about that stuff . Hell, if I ask my brother what the thinks about The Velvet Rope, he won't know what the hell I'm talking about. But he sure as hell would know about so and so's new mix tape, which I most likely won't know about. It just recently became "cool" again to like MJ becase of his death, a few years ago you got made fun of and called gay for liking him. But now you see kids moonwalking down the hallway like it's 1983 again . I get told all the time I spend too much time online, which I know I do, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it. And I frankly don't care enough about it to change it. I'm not a Janet fan at all, but as far as the interent community goes, she probably is underrated. And probably with the general public as well, but they don't care because their too busy listening to top 40 radio and facebooking.

mjscarousal said:

I will never understand the Beyonce's and Rihanna's popularity here now if you want to bitch on something bitch on that

My opnion, its a tie, they all lose.

Terrib3Towel said:

Since graduating high school, I'm not around too many people my age anymore, but as a 19 year old my peers don't even mention Janet. She's in the same league as Whitney to most teens/early 20s, which is a washed-up has-been. I don't know how to put this and I don't want to offend anyone, but most young people don't surf message boards all day long talking about how today's music sucks and posting 20 year old videos. I've been using internet forums a while now (since '07), and I now realize it's a different world (the interent world, that is). Internet stans of artists spend all their time on youtube and message boards arguing about who's an icon and who infuenced who. Nobody outside the cyber world gives a shit about that stuff . Hell, if I ask my brother what the thinks about The Velvet Rope, he won't know what the hell I'm talking about. But he sure as hell would know about so and so's new mix tape, which I most likely won't know about. It just recently became "cool" again to like MJ becase of his death, a few years ago you got made fun of and called gay for liking him. But now you see kids moonwalking down the hallway like it's 1983 again . I get told all the time I spend too much time online, which I know I do, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it. And I frankly don't care enough about it to change it. I'm not a Janet fan at all, but as far as the interent community goes, she probably is underrated. And probably with the general public as well, but they don't care because their too busy listening to top 40 radio and facebooking.

Yeah I'm aware people are aware of michael more than janet, even before the death. She was always underrated, even among the younger crowd. I really don't hear her on the radio anymore, barely ever, so I can't blame them. Some people were called gay for liking him, some weren't. I used to be afraid of that in high school after going to a junior high where he was loved, cause I knew a huge fan who actually was gay and some people were mean about it and I was afraid of being treated the same way since I was already misunderstood, but towards the end and uni, I just went "fuck it" and flaunted him and didn't care if I got called gay or not (and people thought I danced to him well at a dance), and I was just in denial about my own orientation cause of guilt, though I don't give it a label nowadays anyway.

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Terrib3Towel said:

Since graduating high school, I'm not around too many people my age anymore, but as a 19 year old my peers don't even mention Janet. She's in the same league as Whitney to most teens/early 20s, which is a washed-up has-been. I don't know how to put this and I don't want to offend anyone, but most young people don't surf message boards all day long talking about how today's music sucks and posting 20 year old videos. I've been using internet forums a while now (since '07), and I now realize it's a different world (the interent world, that is). Internet stans of artists spend all their time on youtube and message boards arguing about who's an icon and who infuenced who. Nobody outside the cyber world gives a shit about that stuff . Hell, if I ask my brother what the thinks about The Velvet Rope, he won't know what the hell I'm talking about. But he sure as hell would know about so and so's new mix tape, which I most likely won't know about. It just recently became "cool" again to like MJ becase of his death, a few years ago you got made fun of and called gay for liking him. But now you see kids moonwalking down the hallway like it's 1983 again . I get told all the time I spend too much time online, which I know I do, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it. And I frankly don't care enough about it to change it. I'm not a Janet fan at all, but as far as the interent community goes, she probably is underrated. And probably with the general public as well, but they don't care because their too busy listening to top 40 radio and facebooking.

Great Post... this probably sums up the reason why I go on message boards. Its very very hard when your young like I am to find people your own age that listens to the kind of music you listen to especially when its older music or non mainstream. I love message boards because their meant to be avenues for people to discuss DIFFERENT things BESIDES commercial or pop.

Ive been listening to my parents and grandparents music since I was a little girl so alot of all these albums and music we talk about Ive been knowing since I was a little thing. Its frustrating alot of times when little kids, teens and young adults stay stupid shit about music when its not accurate sometimes because you know they only have that mindset because their music selection is so one dimensional primarily consisting of the pop radio...

I remember growing in grade school like 3rd 4th grade being teased because I loved MJ so much. These kids were like MJ?? What the hell is wrong with you.. weird mofo

even at that age!!

Its just mindblowing that it had to take his passing for him to get his respect back...

With Janet... she has always been less known than Michael and success... having a brother that is the biggest artist of all time doesnt help that..

AT ONE POINT, Janet was slightly overrated during her peak which I would say was around the All 4 U era... but snce then has been very very underrated credibility wise and influence.

She to an extent has done this to herself with the redundant weak generic releases since VR. She has had 4 weak albums back to back...

I hear Janet on the radio still... Control- Velvet Rope songs get good airplay on R&B stations.... Ironically I heard Nasty playing on the way to work yesterday ...

Janet peaked during All For You for your age group, I think for mine it was the janet. era for those who were listening, I mostly hear janet. era though I remember people liking All For You too. I think All For You had the potential to be like the janet. era, but it just wasn't, it was cut short too quickly and it's a shame Trust a Try never got released. I grew up around older music too for as long as I could remember which is why I don't find it odd either like some my age might, I was listening to records regularly till 95, though I still collect them. I did miss out on some mainstream too for sometime, and then not at other times. I would listen to or play what family played for the first 10 or 11 years and it was all different styles and genres. It included 80's pop, rock and r&b music videos, solid gold performances, disco records, adult contemporary from the 60's and 70's dad would play, music from around the world, religious music, classical when I was learning piano, you name it.

The janet songs I hear the most on the radio now are Together Again and All For You. Occasionally I'll hear Let's Wait Awhile. I remember hearing different songs in the 90's and 00's of hers though, so I don't know what happened. I no longer hear That's the Way Love Goes, Escapade, If, Someone To Call My Lover, I find that her songs are played the most at the time of their release.

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I remember making a copy of TVR on cassette for my friend and another was telling me how his brother kept track #19 (rope burn my favourite of hers too) on repeat when he got the album.

Good old days - i miss this Janet - soooooooooooo much cooler than the janet we have now

I've been cranking VR tracks for the past 15 minutes. I actually need to replace my CD cause I can't find mine, I think I dumped it in some bag when cleaning out my car. I'd bought it on the day it was released during lunch hour. I have it on cassette though, but Can't Be Stopped isn't on it and I can't live without a physical copy, I feel old school for that.

And at your friend's brother, her sensual sex songs are so well done, it's the trashy ones I can't stand like Would You Mind and Warmth. I still love Janet and go to her shows and buy the albums, loved Discipline, but the excitement level is different from before. I think her new album will be good if she's genuine about her feelings on it, but if not, then I think she should stick to acting for a few more years, she's the perfect age for it and still looks good.

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alphastreet said:

I've been cranking VR tracks for the past 15 minutes. I actually need to replace my CD cause I can't find mine, I think I dumped it in some bag when cleaning out my car. I'd bought it on the day it was released during lunch hour. I have it on cassette though, but Can't Be Stopped isn't on it and I can't live without a physical copy, I feel old school for that.

And at your friend's brother, her sensual sex songs are so well done, it's the trashy ones I can't stand like Would You Mind and Warmth. I still love Janet and go to her shows and buy the albums, loved Discipline, but the excitement level is different from before. I think her new album will be good if she's genuine about her feelings on it, but if not, then I think she should stick to acting for a few more years, she's the perfect age for it and still looks good.

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I know - i hate "would you mind" and "wamth - I want to punch Ne-yo for writing "Discipline".

But really enjoyed "take care", "love2love" and "moist" - i wish she ended her sex crazed phase on damita jo and moved on from there.

mancabdriver said:

alphastreet said:

I've been cranking VR tracks for the past 15 minutes. I actually need to replace my CD cause I can't find mine, I think I dumped it in some bag when cleaning out my car. I'd bought it on the day it was released during lunch hour. I have it on cassette though, but Can't Be Stopped isn't on it and I can't live without a physical copy, I feel old school for that.

And at your friend's brother, her sensual sex songs are so well done, it's the trashy ones I can't stand like Would You Mind and Warmth. I still love Janet and go to her shows and buy the albums, loved Discipline, but the excitement level is different from before. I think her new album will be good if she's genuine about her feelings on it, but if not, then I think she should stick to acting for a few more years, she's the perfect age for it and still looks good.

[Edited 1/26/12 2:02am]

I know - i hate "would you mind" and "wamth - I want to punch Ne-yo for writing "Discipline".

But really enjoyed "take care", "love2love" and "moist" - i wish she ended her sex crazed phase on damita jo and moved on from there.

I surprisingly liked Discipline, but it's probably cause I liked Ne Yo's writing in the 00's, I don't care for the current material. Take Care is HOT and so is Moist, I wanted to hate that one cause it's so nasty, but the music is so pretty and there are metaphors sometimes I'm still rooting for that honest album, I'm sure she has a lot to sing about.

alphastreet said:

I've been cranking VR tracks for the past 15 minutes. I actually need to replace my CD cause I can't find mine, I think I dumped it in some bag when cleaning out my car. I'd bought it on the day it was released during lunch hour. I have it on cassette though, but Can't Be Stopped isn't on it and I can't live without a physical copy, I feel old school for that.

And at your friend's brother, her sensual sex songs are so well done, it's the trashy ones I can't stand like Would You Mind and Warmth. I still love Janet and go to her shows and buy the albums, loved Discipline, but the excitement level is different from before. I think her new album will be good if she's genuine about her feelings on it, but if not, then I think she should stick to acting for a few more years, she's the perfect age for it and still looks good.

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Pretty Much..

If this next album isnt honest... she should just forget music and just stick to acting.

For someone who has practically grew up around music her whole entire life you would think she would have so much to talk about or what to explore other things... She has a versatile voice where she really really could experiment if she really wanted to... She could do jazz, soul, rock etc... She has done these things BEFORE... except for jazz but that would be cool. Its sad really because she has a pretty good catalogue except for all her albums in the 00s

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

I've been cranking VR tracks for the past 15 minutes. I actually need to replace my CD cause I can't find mine, I think I dumped it in some bag when cleaning out my car. I'd bought it on the day it was released during lunch hour. I have it on cassette though, but Can't Be Stopped isn't on it and I can't live without a physical copy, I feel old school for that.

And at your friend's brother, her sensual sex songs are so well done, it's the trashy ones I can't stand like Would You Mind and Warmth. I still love Janet and go to her shows and buy the albums, loved Discipline, but the excitement level is different from before. I think her new album will be good if she's genuine about her feelings on it, but if not, then I think she should stick to acting for a few more years, she's the perfect age for it and still looks good.

[Edited 1/26/12 2:02am]

Pretty Much..

If this next album isnt honest... she should just forget music and just stick to acting.

For someone who has practically grew up around music her whole entire life you would think she would have so much to talk about or what to explore other things... She has a versatile voice where she really really could experiment if she really wanted to... She could do jazz, soul, rock etc... She has done these things BEFORE... except for jazz but that would be cool. Its sad really because she has a pretty good catalogue except for all her albums in the 00s

I think we're more likely to get a real janet record versus before because of her free agent status. I think JD and LA were probably overbearing with her last couple of projects. Even if she signs/signed with one of the major dinosaurs that's left, I hope they give her the full artistic freedom and support she deserves at this stage in her career. She should demand that.

Janet taste is really eclectic (sp?). Her records should reflect that because that's who she is musically. Fuck what's trending....

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Dren5 said:

Everybody I knew at least liked "I Get So Lonely".

One of the best songs ever made.

To this day, the Velvet Rope tour is one of the best concerts I've seen as far as entertainment value goes. It was an amazing show.

Musicslave said:

mjscarousal said:

Pretty Much..

If this next album isnt honest... she should just forget music and just stick to acting.

For someone who has practically grew up around music her whole entire life you would think she would have so much to talk about or what to explore other things... She has a versatile voice where she really really could experiment if she really wanted to... She could do jazz, soul, rock etc... She has done these things BEFORE... except for jazz but that would be cool. Its sad really because she has a pretty good catalogue except for all her albums in the 00s

I think we're more likely to get a real janet record versus before because of her free agent status. I think JD and LA were probably overbearing with her last couple of projects. Even if she signs/signed with one of the major dinosaurs that's left, I hope they give her the full artistic freedom and support she deserves at this stage in her career. She should demand that.

Janet taste is really eclectic (sp?). Her records should reflect that because that's who she is musically. Fuck what's trending....

[Edited 1/26/12 9:41am]

Good Post! I just hope she does...

Thats what Im saying!!! Janet is really underrated in that aspect she has done alot of genres and even fused alot of genres in her past works. She MOST DEFINITLY deserves full artistic freedom at this stage... she has earned it, shes an Icon.

mjscarousal said:

Musicslave said:

I think we're more likely to get a real janet record versus before because of her free agent status. I think JD and LA were probably overbearing with her last couple of projects. Even if she signs/signed with one of the major dinosaurs that's left, I hope they give her the full artistic freedom and support she deserves at this stage in her career. She should demand that.

Janet taste is really eclectic (sp?). Her records should reflect that because that's who she is musically. Fuck what's trending....

[Edited 1/26/12 9:41am]

Good Post! I just hope she does...

Thats what Im saying!!! Janet is really underrated in that aspect she has done alot of genres and even fused alot of genres in her past works. She MOST DEFINITLY deserves full artistic freedom at this stage... she has earned it, shes an Icon.

Thanks. With the extended time off, she's had plenty of life to experience and draw inspiration from.

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BlaqueKnight said:

To this day, the Velvet Rope tour is one of the best concerts I've seen as far as entertainment value goes. It was an amazing show.

agreed. her peak as a dancer; though i loved Rock With u even more.

I remember this period, but I'm Control era. I knew some people connected to Virgin back then so I got some Janet, D'Angelo and Lenny stuff for free. I was good with the remixes & things I got from Velvet Rope though. Control is still my fave period of all from Janet.

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It's interesting when someone mentions eras. I could barely remember Control, saw a full glimpse of Rhythm Nation 1814 at 5 but I don't think it wasn't until janet. when I was 9 that I totally experienced an era of her's. I guess I can call myself a child of the Velvet Rope era since I was 13 when it came out. Put it in point blank, Janet was part of my entire childhood.

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

I've been cranking VR tracks for the past 15 minutes. I actually need to replace my CD cause I can't find mine, I think I dumped it in some bag when cleaning out my car. I'd bought it on the day it was released during lunch hour. I have it on cassette though, but Can't Be Stopped isn't on it and I can't live without a physical copy, I feel old school for that.

And at your friend's brother, her sensual sex songs are so well done, it's the trashy ones I can't stand like Would You Mind and Warmth. I still love Janet and go to her shows and buy the albums, loved Discipline, but the excitement level is different from before. I think her new album will be good if she's genuine about her feelings on it, but if not, then I think she should stick to acting for a few more years, she's the perfect age for it and still looks good.

[Edited 1/26/12 2:02am]

Pretty Much..

If this next album isnt honest... she should just forget music and just stick to acting.

For someone who has practically grew up around music her whole entire life you would think she would have so much to talk about or what to explore other things... She has a versatile voice where she really really could experiment if she really wanted to... She could do jazz, soul, rock etc... She has done these things BEFORE... except for jazz but that would be cool. Its sad really because she has a pretty good catalogue except for all her albums in the 00s

I remember in the Velvet Rope era she would talk about wanting to do an album with Brazillian jazz sounds and talk about influences and then there were reports of her working on a hip hop album. And during Damita Jo interviews, she would say she wants to make an album about racism and anger, which reminded me of her at her musical peak. These statements alone tell me she didn't have much power and say at Virgin after Velvet Rope since she signed with them for the second time before that album.

BlaqueKnight said:

To this day, the Velvet Rope tour is one of the best concerts I've seen as far as entertainment value goes. It was an amazing show.

Yup it was my first concert and the best I've attended.

badujunkie said:

BlaqueKnight said:

To this day, the Velvet Rope tour is one of the best concerts I've seen as far as entertainment value goes. It was an amazing show.

agreed. her peak as a dancer; though i loved Rock With u even more.

Her dancing was really amazing on Velvet Rope, but after seeing RN and Janet. tour footage online, I have to go with those ones. Her choreography for songs like All Nite Don't Stop, So Excited and Rock Withchu, and So Much Better were pretty amazing too.

alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

Pretty Much..

If this next album isnt honest... she should just forget music and just stick to acting.

For someone who has practically grew up around music her whole entire life you would think she would have so much to talk about or what to explore other things... She has a versatile voice where she really really could experiment if she really wanted to... She could do jazz, soul, rock etc... She has done these things BEFORE... except for jazz but that would be cool. Its sad really because she has a pretty good catalogue except for all her albums in the 00s

I remember in the Velvet Rope era she would talk about wanting to do an album with Brazillian jazz sounds and talk about influences and then there were reports of her working on a hip hop album. And during Damita Jo interviews, she would say she wants to make an album about racism and anger, which reminded me of her at her musical peak. These statements alone tell me she didn't have much power and say at Virgin after Velvet Rope since she signed with them for the second time before that album.

She still didn't have power after she left either. Despite L.A. Reid saying they wanted her to do more grown up music, I'm convinced Janet was listening to Dupri to tell her where to go next. In other words, Janet had gotten bored with doing music. She didn't and doesn't wanna say that upfront because she knows it'll hurt her fans if they knew that.

Timmy84 said:

alphastreet said:

I remember in the Velvet Rope era she would talk about wanting to do an album with Brazillian jazz sounds and talk about influences and then there were reports of her working on a hip hop album. And during Damita Jo interviews, she would say she wants to make an album about racism and anger, which reminded me of her at her musical peak. These statements alone tell me she didn't have much power and say at Virgin after Velvet Rope since she signed with them for the second time before that album.

She still didn't have power after she left either. Despite L.A. Reid saying they wanted her to do more grown up music, I'm convinced Janet was listening to Dupri to tell her where to go next. In other words, Janet had gotten bored with doing music. She didn't and doesn't wanna say that upfront because she knows it'll hurt her fans if they knew that.

I love the Discipline album surprisingly, but I guess I did skip over it. She didn't write a single song though I happened to love the album. And I happened to love the tour, but not the TV performances at all. I've known for a long time she's tired of being in the industry and already feels she has paid her dues, but had contracts to fulfill. And so many fans since All For You's release knew that something had changed and could see through it. I had a like-hate relationship with that album, but now I love it again. That's why right now, I really don't care if she puts out an album or not, and I never thought I would say it. I'm all for her doing a bunch of movies and maybe TV. She should make a guest appearance on How I Met Your Mother!

But from what I recall, I think Janet was complaining that LA Reid wanted her to sound like Sade. I thought Janet wanted to do jazzy music. So was she listening to Jermaine or she wanted what the label did?

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