smoothcriminal12 said:

alphastreet said:

You remind me of myself in high school and university a mere decade ago

Thanks! Just out of curiousity, what were you like back then?

wacko for jacko and not afraid to show it, I was probably nuttier than ever though I was already a fan for years....and you could see it all over me too. I was happy pants with stuff on the sides and studded belts were back in fashion But I went to a uniform school for high school though once I was out, I went a bit crazy in university and some people guessed I liked MJ though most thought I was into punk or rock

To answer your question though, though I always liked older and current music, by 2002 I was so tired of current music and mainly had older music playing on my discman and I was investing my allowance into older CD's instead of current ones more than ever and my interest in Motown grew cause of discovering more Jackson 5 covers when buying rereleases. And I was listening to tons of 80's music though I'd been doing that as a kid anyways for many years, and I was playing some classical as well. I was acting like a music snob then, not to say you are or aren't, but I was 18/19 and I didn't just listen to older music, but couldn't relate to other people my age except for a few exceptions like if I knew fans online and offline, and back then I really believed I may do something musical and was working on my craft. Though I accomplished lots of things in the past decade, I feel a little confused right now despite being employed, I need to find my mojo again

[Edited 1/27/12 19:21pm]

Dren5 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I agree.

The whole mass commercialization of MJ since his 'death' just rubs me the wrong way. And it's kind of cheapening his legacy and image too - it's like the "Hello Kitty"-ization of MJ, his face plastered all over this utter bullshit.

Co-sign

While the estate has made a lot of money since 2009, some of the approved merchandise has been pointless. The posters, t shirts, dolls, and stationary products are cool, but Michael Jackson collector plates? bobbleheads, coffee mugs, belt buckles?

There's a freakin' Michael Jackson wine corkscrew

If it was me, I would be putting a lot more emphasis on Michael Jackson, the artist. Documentaries, books, albums, and videos

Many fans feel that while they're doing great, the Estate is mainly targeting the casual consumer. The "post June 25" fans and it alienates the hardcore fanbase

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

The whole mass commercialization of MJ since his 'death' just rubs me the wrong way. And it's kind of cheapening his legacy and image too - it's like the "Hello Kitty"-ization of MJ, his face plastered all over this utter bullshit.

Co-sign

While the estate has made a lot of money since 2009, some of the approved merchandise has been pointless. The posters, t shirts, dolls, and stationary products are cool, but Michael Jackson collector plates? bobbleheads, coffee mugs, belt buckles?

There's a freakin' Michael Jackson wine corkscrew

If it was me, I would be putting a lot more emphasis on Michael Jackson, the artist. Documentaries, books, albums, and videos

Many fans feel that while they're doing great, the Estate is mainly targeting the casual consumer. The "post June 25" fans and it alienates the hardcore fanbase

I'm with this. ^

Back in the day, I didn't care whether Michael popular or not. I loved him just as he was. I still do. My love for this man, his music, and his message will never change, even though a lot of people think it's "cool" to like him now. They have no bearing on my feelings at all. Love stays strong no matter what the time may bring.

At the end of the day, I can say...

I was there.

And I'd do it all over again.

To add on for the new fans...if your love is true, then it doesn't matter if you weren't there from the start. As long as you're there til the end.

[Edited 1/27/12 19:50pm]

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

The whole mass commercialization of MJ since his 'death' just rubs me the wrong way. And it's kind of cheapening his legacy and image too - it's like the "Hello Kitty"-ization of MJ, his face plastered all over this utter bullshit.

Co-sign

While the estate has made a lot of money since 2009, some of the approved merchandise has been pointless. The posters, t shirts, dolls, and stationary products are cool, but Michael Jackson collector plates? bobbleheads, coffee mugs, belt buckles?

There's a freakin' Michael Jackson wine corkscrew

If it was me, I would be putting a lot more emphasis on Michael Jackson, the artist. Documentaries, books, albums, and videos

Many fans feel that while they're doing great, the Estate is mainly targeting the casual consumer. The "post June 25" fans and it alienates the hardcore fanbase

Although I did buy posters, books, mags and merchandise, I already had a big collection for years to begin with and I hated the fact the birth and death date was on some of the merchandise, cause that was too unfamiliar to me as a long time fan, and it would be seen as something immortal and acceptable to the new fans, too complicated to explain. I can accept it for other artists I like, but with MJ, it`s just not sitting with me at all, cause I didn`t see those years next to his name or picture for all the years in my life, he was always there.

And where ARE you getting all those things, I want stationary products! I nearly bought a figurine, but it was too expensive.

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

The whole mass commercialization of MJ since his 'death' just rubs me the wrong way. And it's kind of cheapening his legacy and image too - it's like the "Hello Kitty"-ization of MJ, his face plastered all over this utter bullshit.

Co-sign

While the estate has made a lot of money since 2009, some of the approved merchandise has been pointless. The posters, t shirts, dolls, and stationary products are cool, but Michael Jackson collector plates? bobbleheads, coffee mugs, belt buckles?

There's a freakin' Michael Jackson wine corkscrew

If it was me, I would be putting a lot more emphasis on Michael Jackson, the artist. Documentaries, books, albums, and videos

Many fans feel that while they're doing great, the Estate is mainly targeting the casual consumer. The "post June 25" fans and it alienates the hardcore fanbase

The estate is concerned about how much money they could get. I don't think they care for the artistry. Well I can't try to ASSume they do but it's hard to think they do after what's been out...

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

The whole mass commercialization of MJ since his 'death' just rubs me the wrong way. And it's kind of cheapening his legacy and image too - it's like the "Hello Kitty"-ization of MJ, his face plastered all over this utter bullshit.

Co-sign

While the estate has made a lot of money since 2009, some of the approved merchandise has been pointless. The posters, t shirts, dolls, and stationary products are cool, but Michael Jackson collector plates? bobbleheads, coffee mugs, belt buckles?

There's a freakin' Michael Jackson wine corkscrew

If it was me, I would be putting a lot more emphasis on Michael Jackson, the artist. Documentaries, books, albums, and videos

Many fans feel that while they're doing great, the Estate is mainly targeting the casual consumer. The "post June 25" fans and it alienates the hardcore fanbase

This, I agree with. I get "This Is It" and think it was really a damn good way to honor him and went to see it in the theaters when it was released, with my mom and my aunts. But pretty much everything that's come out since then I think is just vulgar and unnecessary. I was making the "Who Farted?" face back when I heard about the "Michael" disc and then the Cirque du Soleil show and I've been doing it ever since.

I think it should've been "This Is It", and maybe like one really high-quality, well-thought out coffee table type of book with pictures and little blurbs about him and his work, and maybe (if it wouldn't have gone against MJ's wishes), one new cd full of unreleased MJ tracks - and not the Cascio bullshit either - and that's it. All this other shit just makes me see red.

I think a large part of it is that the Estate is just glad that his name isn't being smeared anymore and that the public's perception of him has improved so much that they want to see that continue, so they pretty much support and sign off on anything that references MJ in a positive light and aren't realizing how some of this stuff cheapens his legacy.

ThrutheEyesofWonder - Okay, I get what you're saying but in a way I don't agree. I've been a fan of MJ's since I was like, anywhere from 2-4 years old. And that's literally not an exaggeration. My mother used to tell stories of me being that young and knowing all the lyrics to MJ songs by heart, that kind of thing. I was around for Thriller (although yes, I was young as hell), I was around for Bad, I was around for Dangerous, for HIStory. Yeah, there were time periods where I listened to other artists way more and would say I wasn't an MJ fan because I got fed up with the fan community and/or dumb shit MJ would do, but really it was all just talk because everytime something went on, I was always 'there'. Hell, I can still remember sitting at the computer watching the livestream of MJ doing the autograph signing for "Invincible".

So to some extent while yeah I get and appreciate that there's new fans - and I think that's a good thing because whoever isn't against you, is for you - at the same time I do think some degree of acknowledgment and respect for the longterm fans from the newer ones, is justified. A lot of the newer ones did just suddenly jump on the MJ bandwagon after he 'died' and suddenly his likeness and his work were everywhere and to be honest they haven't had to take the kind of shit off of people that the older fans have, for being MJ fans back when it wasn't the 'In' thing to be. Now, like others have said, it's suddenly Ok to 'like MJ'. That wasn't always the case. So yeah my patience is short with newer fans who talk shit.

Dren5 said:

bboy87 said:

Co-sign

While the estate has made a lot of money since 2009, some of the approved merchandise has been pointless. The posters, t shirts, dolls, and stationary products are cool, but Michael Jackson collector plates? bobbleheads, coffee mugs, belt buckles?

There's a freakin' Michael Jackson wine corkscrew

If it was me, I would be putting a lot more emphasis on Michael Jackson, the artist. Documentaries, books, albums, and videos

Many fans feel that while they're doing great, the Estate is mainly targeting the casual consumer. The "post June 25" fans and it alienates the hardcore fanbase

This, I agree with. I get "This Is It" and think it was really a damn good way to honor him and went to see it in the theaters when it was released, with my mom and my aunts. But pretty much everything that's come out since then I think is just vulgar and unnecessary. I was making the "Who Farted?" face back when I heard about the "Michael" disc and then the Cirque du Soleil show and I've been doing it ever since.

I think it should've been "This Is It", and maybe like one really high-quality, well-thought out coffee table type of book with pictures and little blurbs about him and his work, and maybe (if it wouldn't have gone against MJ's wishes), one new cd full of unreleased MJ tracks - and not the Cascio bullshit either - and that's it. All this other shit just makes me see red.

I think a large part of it is that the Estate is just glad that his name isn't being smeared anymore and that the public's perception of him has improved so much that they want to see that continue, so they pretty much support and sign off on anything that references MJ in a positive light and aren't realizing how some of this stuff cheapens his legacy.

ThrutheEyesofWonder - Okay, I get what you're saying but in a way I don't agree. I've been a fan of MJ's since I was like, anywhere from 2-4 years old. And that's literally not an exaggeration. My mother used to tell stories of me being that young and knowing all the lyrics to MJ songs by heart, that kind of thing. I was around for Thriller (although yes, I was young as hell), I was around for Bad, I was around for Dangerous, for HIStory. Yeah, there were time periods where I listened to other artists way more and would say I wasn't an MJ fan because I got fed up with the fan community and/or dumb shit MJ would do, but really it was all just talk because everytime something went on, I was always 'there'. Hell, I can still remember sitting at the computer watching the livestream of MJ doing the autograph signing for "Invincible".

So to some extent while yeah I get and appreciate that there's new fans - and I think that's a good thing because whoever isn't against you, is for you - at the same time I do think some degree of acknowledgment and respect for the longterm fans from the newer ones, is justified. A lot of the newer ones did just suddenly jump on the MJ bandwagon after he 'died' and suddenly his likeness and his work were everywhere and to be honest they haven't had to take the kind of shit off of people that the older fans have, for being MJ fans back when it wasn't the 'In' thing to be. Now, like others have said, it's suddenly Ok to 'like MJ'. That wasn't always the case. So yeah my patience is short with newer fans who talk shit.

That's how I feel.

I remember walking in Barnes and Noble in August '09 and seeing books and books and magazines and calendars of Michael and wondering, "I'm 21, I've been a fan since I was 2......where was all of THIS when I was growing up?"

I don't remember seeing Michael posters in stores since my cousin bought me one when I was 5 in 1992. It was very rare occassion to see a book about Michael Jackson in book stores (my friends who wrote one were told by several companies that a positive Michael Jackson book won't sell). Matter of fact, I remember ranting on this very site back in 2008 or 2009 that you can't find books about Michael, Prince, James Brown, Stevie, or Marvin in book stores but you'll see rows of books about The Rolling Stones or Bob Dylan or Kurt Cobain.

I don't remember Michael Jackson t-shirts or buttons or any kind of memorbilia. I remember looking for "The Ultimate Collection" and going to 10 different stores. 2 Wal Marts, 3 Barnes And Nobles, an FYE and FOUR Best Buys and none of them having it....and Best Buy had a special deal when it came out. It was their mail adverts! "Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection for $29.99" I had to order it online. I didn't see it in stores until Thriller 25 was released

So that visit to B&N that summer, I was in shocked and kinda pissed off because like many folks in this sticky, I REMEMBER and to see so many companies making a profit from someone who they wouldn't touch for a greater part of 15 years, it was pretty sickening

The This Is It premiere livecast. Folks there for publicity. Folks there who I remember talking shit about him, saying they loved him and he was an inspiration to them. "What's your favorite song?"

"Err....Billie Jean"

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Yeah.....get the entire fuck outta here

and I can't tell you how TIRED I was at every MJ related event, there was the This Is It dancers doing "The Drill"

and this recent event at the Chinese theater felt more like a promotional tool for the "Immortal World Tour"

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

This, I agree with. I get "This Is It" and think it was really a damn good way to honor him and went to see it in the theaters when it was released, with my mom and my aunts. But pretty much everything that's come out since then I think is just vulgar and unnecessary. I was making the "Who Farted?" face back when I heard about the "Michael" disc and then the Cirque du Soleil show and I've been doing it ever since.

I think it should've been "This Is It", and maybe like one really high-quality, well-thought out coffee table type of book with pictures and little blurbs about him and his work, and maybe (if it wouldn't have gone against MJ's wishes), one new cd full of unreleased MJ tracks - and not the Cascio bullshit either - and that's it. All this other shit just makes me see red.

I think a large part of it is that the Estate is just glad that his name isn't being smeared anymore and that the public's perception of him has improved so much that they want to see that continue, so they pretty much support and sign off on anything that references MJ in a positive light and aren't realizing how some of this stuff cheapens his legacy.

ThrutheEyesofWonder - Okay, I get what you're saying but in a way I don't agree. I've been a fan of MJ's since I was like, anywhere from 2-4 years old. And that's literally not an exaggeration. My mother used to tell stories of me being that young and knowing all the lyrics to MJ songs by heart, that kind of thing. I was around for Thriller (although yes, I was young as hell), I was around for Bad, I was around for Dangerous, for HIStory. Yeah, there were time periods where I listened to other artists way more and would say I wasn't an MJ fan because I got fed up with the fan community and/or dumb shit MJ would do, but really it was all just talk because everytime something went on, I was always 'there'. Hell, I can still remember sitting at the computer watching the livestream of MJ doing the autograph signing for "Invincible".

So to some extent while yeah I get and appreciate that there's new fans - and I think that's a good thing because whoever isn't against you, is for you - at the same time I do think some degree of acknowledgment and respect for the longterm fans from the newer ones, is justified. A lot of the newer ones did just suddenly jump on the MJ bandwagon after he 'died' and suddenly his likeness and his work were everywhere and to be honest they haven't had to take the kind of shit off of people that the older fans have, for being MJ fans back when it wasn't the 'In' thing to be. Now, like others have said, it's suddenly Ok to 'like MJ'. That wasn't always the case. So yeah my patience is short with newer fans who talk shit.

That's how I feel.

I remember walking in Barnes and Noble in August '09 and seeing books and books and magazines and calendars of Michael and wondering, "I'm 21, I've been a fan since I was 2......where was all of THIS when I was growing up?"

I don't remember seeing Michael posters in stores since my cousin bought me one when I was 5 in 1992. It was very rare occassion to see a book about Michael Jackson in book stores (my friends who wrote one were told by several companies that a positive Michael Jackson book won't sell). Matter of fact, I remember ranting on this very site back in 2008 or 2009 that you can't find books about Michael, Prince, James Brown, Stevie, or Marvin in book stores but you'll see rows of books about The Rolling Stones or Bob Dylan or Kurt Cobain.

I don't remember Michael Jackson t-shirts or buttons or any kind of memorbilia. I remember looking for "The Ultimate Collection" and going to 10 different stores. 2 Wal Marts, 3 Barnes And Nobles, an FYE and FOUR Best Buys and none of them having it....and Best Buy had a special deal when it came out. It was their mail adverts! "Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection for $29.99" I had to order it online. I didn't see it in stores until Thriller 25 was released

So that visit to B&N that summer, I was in shocked and kinda pissed off because like many folks in this sticky, I REMEMBER and to see so many companies making a profit from someone who they wouldn't touch for a greater part of 15 years, it was pretty sickening

The This Is It premiere livecast. Folks there for publicity. Folks there who I remember talking shit about him, saying they loved him and he was an inspiration to them. "What's your favorite song?"

"Err....Billie Jean"

[img:$uid]http://i41.tinypic.com/2gtc4xy.gif[/img:$uid]

Yeah.....get the entire fuck outta here

and I can't tell you how TIRED I was at every MJ related event, there was the This Is It dancers doing "The Drill"

and this recent event at the Chinese theater felt more like a promotional tool for the "Immortal World Tour"

EXACTLY! I feel ya on everything.

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

The whole mass commercialization of MJ since his 'death' just rubs me the wrong way. And it's kind of cheapening his legacy and image too - it's like the "Hello Kitty"-ization of MJ, his face plastered all over this utter bullshit.

Co-sign

While the estate has made a lot of money since 2009, some of the approved merchandise has been pointless. The posters, t shirts, dolls, and stationary products are cool, but Michael Jackson collector plates? bobbleheads, coffee mugs, belt buckles?

There's a freakin' Michael Jackson wine corkscrew

If it was me, I would be putting a lot more emphasis on Michael Jackson, the artist. Documentaries, books, albums, and videos

Many fans feel that while they're doing great, the Estate is mainly targeting the casual consumer. The "post June 25" fans and it alienates the hardcore fanbase

It's sad that they don't realize how HUUUUUGE is fanbase actually is. Who else sold out 50 shows in couple of hours?!?! You can't do that without unbelievable huge and devoted fanbase. Are they dumb not to realize that? The general public is not stable as a customer. They're gonna turn their heads away as soon as it becomes IN to hate him again while the fanbase is so stable that TWO child allegations did not shake it.

Playing "armchair A&R" I would release from 2009-2017

-This Is It soundtrack but with this tracklisting

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Speechless

Jam (Silky 7')

They Don't Care About Us

Human Nature

Smooth Criminal (Moonwalker Version) (Unreleased)

The Way You Make Me Feel (Slow Tempo Version) (Unreleased)

The Way You Make Me Feel

I Want You Back (Film Mix)

The Love You Save (Film Mix)

I'll Be There (Adult Version-recorded 1989) (Unreleased)

Shake Your Body

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Thriller (Film Mix)

Beat It (Film Mix)

Black Or White (The Civilies And Cole Radio Mix)

Earth Song (Original What About Us Version)

Billie Jean (12' Mix)

Man In The Mirror

Heal The World

This Is It

Then I would've released Michael like this:

1. Hold My Hand

2. Hollywood Tonight

3. The Way You Love Me

4. Bottom Of My Heart

5. Best Of Joy

6. D.I.E.

7. I Am A Loser

8. Another Day (Original Version)

9. Bang Your Head

10. I Was The Loser

11. Jungle

12. Red Eye

Vision would've been COMPLETELY REMASTERED from the original source tapes and reels

Disc One

Enjoy Yourself

Blues Away

Show You The Way To Go

Dreamer

Goin' Places

Even Though You're Gone

Blame It On The Boogie

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

Off The Wall

She's Out Of My Life

The Triumph (Can You Feel It)

Billie Jean

Beat It

Say Say Say

Thriller

Billie Jean '84

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Man In The Mirror

Dirty Diana

Another Part Of Me

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Speed Demon

Come Together

Liberian Girl

Disc Two

Black Or White

Remember The Time

In The Closet

Jam

Who Is It

Give In To Me

Heal The World

Will You Be There

Gone Too Soon

Scream

They Don't Care About Us (Brazil Version)

They Don't Care About Us (Prison Version)

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Earth Song

Stranger In Moscow

HIStory (Remix)

Why

Ghosts

Blood On The Dancefloor (Original Version)

Blood On The Dancefloor

Blood On The Dancefloor (Refugee Camp Mix)

You Rock My World

Cry

One More Chance

This Is It

and maybe possible unreleased videos for Smile and Heartbreak Hotel and rough cuts of Beat It, Thriller, Bad, and The Way You Make Me Feel

-a nice art/photobook of photographs, sketches, and notes

-Bad Tour DVD/Blu Ray

-Triumph Tour DVD/Blu Ray

-Making Of Thriller DVD/Blu Ray

-a 2 CD compilation of unreleased music from 1975 to 1989 including

Behind The Mask

Much Too Soon (1981 version)

Buffalo Bill

What A Lonely Way To Go

Love Never Felt So Good

Starlight

Iowa

-a followup 2CD set of above but with music from 1990-2009

-Bad 25th Anniversary Edition

-HIStory Disc 2 released seperately

-The Michael Jackson/David Michael Frank collaboration

bboy87 said:

Playing "armchair A&R" I would release from 2009-2017

-This Is It soundtrack but with this tracklisting

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Speechless

Jam (Silky 7')

They Don't Care About Us

Human Nature

Smooth Criminal (Moonwalker Version) (Unreleased)

The Way You Make Me Feel (Slow Tempo Version) (Unreleased)

The Way You Make Me Feel

I Want You Back (Film Mix)

The Love You Save (Film Mix)

I'll Be There (Adult Version-recorded 1989) (Unreleased)

Shake Your Body

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Thriller (Film Mix)

Beat It (Film Mix)

Black Or White (The Civilies And Cole Radio Mix)

Earth Song (Original What About Us Version)

Billie Jean (12' Mix)

Man In The Mirror

Heal The World

This Is It

Then I would've released Michael like this:

Vision would've been COMPLETELY REMASTERED from the original source tapes and reels

Disc One

Enjoy Yourself

Blues Away

Show You The Way To Go

Dreamer

Goin' Places

Even Though You're Gone

Blame It On The Boogie

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

Off The Wall

She's Out Of My Life

The Triumph (Can You Feel It)

Billie Jean

Beat It

Say Say Say

Thriller

Billie Jean '84

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Man In The Mirror

Dirty Diana

Another Part Of Me

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Speed Demon

Come Together

Liberian Girl

Disc Two

Black Or White

Remember The Time

In The Closet

Jam

Who Is It

Give In To Me

Heal The World

Will You Be There

Gone Too Soon

Scream

They Don't Care About Us (Brazil Version)

They Don't Care About Us (Prison Version)

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Earth Song

Stranger In Moscow

HIStory (Remix)

Why

Ghosts

Blood On The Dancefloor (Original Version)

Blood On The Dancefloor

Blood On The Dancefloor (Refugee Camp Mix)

You Rock My World

Cry

One More Chance

This Is It

and maybe possible unreleased videos for Smile and Heartbreak Hotel and rough cuts of Beat It, Thriller, Bad, and The Way You Make Me Feel

-a nice art/photobook of photographs, sketches, and notes

-Bad Tour DVD/Blu Ray

-Triumph Tour DVD/Blu Ray

-Making Of Thriller DVD/Blu Ray

-a 2 CD compilation of unreleased music from 1975 to 1989 including

Behind The Mask

Much Too Soon (1981 version)

Buffalo Bill

What A Lonely Way To Go

Love Never Felt So Good

Starlight

Iowa

-a followup 2CD set of above but with music from 1990-2009

-Bad 25th Anniversary Edition

-HIStory Disc 2 released seperately

-The Michael Jackson/David Michael Frank collaboration

I still find it bewildering why the hell they re-released " The way you love me " ....why ? when they have other songs in the vault !

The original on the ultimate collection was so much better ......

bboy87 said:

Playing "armchair A&R" I would release from 2009-2017

-This Is It soundtrack but with this tracklisting

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Speechless

Jam (Silky 7')

They Don't Care About Us

Human Nature

Smooth Criminal (Moonwalker Version) (Unreleased)

The Way You Make Me Feel (Slow Tempo Version) (Unreleased)

The Way You Make Me Feel

I Want You Back (Film Mix)

The Love You Save (Film Mix)

I'll Be There (Adult Version-recorded 1989) (Unreleased)

Shake Your Body

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Thriller (Film Mix)

Beat It (Film Mix)

Black Or White (The Civilies And Cole Radio Mix)

Earth Song (Original What About Us Version)

Billie Jean (12' Mix)

Man In The Mirror

Heal The World

This Is It

Then I would've released Michael like this:

Vision would've been COMPLETELY REMASTERED from the original source tapes and reels

Disc One

Enjoy Yourself

Blues Away

Show You The Way To Go

Dreamer

Goin' Places

Even Though You're Gone

Blame It On The Boogie

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

Off The Wall

She's Out Of My Life

The Triumph (Can You Feel It)

Billie Jean

Beat It

Say Say Say

Thriller

Billie Jean '84

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Man In The Mirror

Dirty Diana

Another Part Of Me

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Speed Demon

Come Together

Liberian Girl

Disc Two

Black Or White

Remember The Time

In The Closet

Jam

Who Is It

Give In To Me

Heal The World

Will You Be There

Gone Too Soon

Scream

They Don't Care About Us (Brazil Version)

They Don't Care About Us (Prison Version)

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Earth Song

Stranger In Moscow

HIStory (Remix)

Why

Ghosts

Blood On The Dancefloor (Original Version)

Blood On The Dancefloor

Blood On The Dancefloor (Refugee Camp Mix)

You Rock My World

Cry

One More Chance

This Is It

and maybe possible unreleased videos for Smile and Heartbreak Hotel and rough cuts of Beat It, Thriller, Bad, and The Way You Make Me Feel

-a nice art/photobook of photographs, sketches, and notes

-Bad Tour DVD/Blu Ray

-Triumph Tour DVD/Blu Ray

-Making Of Thriller DVD/Blu Ray

-a 2 CD compilation of unreleased music from 1975 to 1989 including

Behind The Mask

Much Too Soon (1981 version)

Buffalo Bill

What A Lonely Way To Go

Love Never Felt So Good

Starlight

Iowa

-a followup 2CD set of above but with music from 1990-2009

-Bad 25th Anniversary Edition

-HIStory Disc 2 released seperately

-The Michael Jackson/David Michael Frank collaboration

Sony needs to hire you pronto.

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

This, I agree with. I get "This Is It" and think it was really a damn good way to honor him and went to see it in the theaters when it was released, with my mom and my aunts. But pretty much everything that's come out since then I think is just vulgar and unnecessary. I was making the "Who Farted?" face back when I heard about the "Michael" disc and then the Cirque du Soleil show and I've been doing it ever since.

I think it should've been "This Is It", and maybe like one really high-quality, well-thought out coffee table type of book with pictures and little blurbs about him and his work, and maybe (if it wouldn't have gone against MJ's wishes), one new cd full of unreleased MJ tracks - and not the Cascio bullshit either - and that's it. All this other shit just makes me see red.

I think a large part of it is that the Estate is just glad that his name isn't being smeared anymore and that the public's perception of him has improved so much that they want to see that continue, so they pretty much support and sign off on anything that references MJ in a positive light and aren't realizing how some of this stuff cheapens his legacy.

ThrutheEyesofWonder - Okay, I get what you're saying but in a way I don't agree. I've been a fan of MJ's since I was like, anywhere from 2-4 years old. And that's literally not an exaggeration. My mother used to tell stories of me being that young and knowing all the lyrics to MJ songs by heart, that kind of thing. I was around for Thriller (although yes, I was young as hell), I was around for Bad, I was around for Dangerous, for HIStory. Yeah, there were time periods where I listened to other artists way more and would say I wasn't an MJ fan because I got fed up with the fan community and/or dumb shit MJ would do, but really it was all just talk because everytime something went on, I was always 'there'. Hell, I can still remember sitting at the computer watching the livestream of MJ doing the autograph signing for "Invincible".

So to some extent while yeah I get and appreciate that there's new fans - and I think that's a good thing because whoever isn't against you, is for you - at the same time I do think some degree of acknowledgment and respect for the longterm fans from the newer ones, is justified. A lot of the newer ones did just suddenly jump on the MJ bandwagon after he 'died' and suddenly his likeness and his work were everywhere and to be honest they haven't had to take the kind of shit off of people that the older fans have, for being MJ fans back when it wasn't the 'In' thing to be. Now, like others have said, it's suddenly Ok to 'like MJ'. That wasn't always the case. So yeah my patience is short with newer fans who talk shit.

That's how I feel.

I remember walking in Barnes and Noble in August '09 and seeing books and books and magazines and calendars of Michael and wondering, "I'm 21, I've been a fan since I was 2......where was all of THIS when I was growing up?"

I don't remember seeing Michael posters in stores since my cousin bought me one when I was 5 in 1992. It was very rare occassion to see a book about Michael Jackson in book stores (my friends who wrote one were told by several companies that a positive Michael Jackson book won't sell). Matter of fact, I remember ranting on this very site back in 2008 or 2009 that you can't find books about Michael, Prince, James Brown, Stevie, or Marvin in book stores but you'll see rows of books about The Rolling Stones or Bob Dylan or Kurt Cobain.

I don't remember Michael Jackson t-shirts or buttons or any kind of memorbilia. I remember looking for "The Ultimate Collection" and going to 10 different stores. 2 Wal Marts, 3 Barnes And Nobles, an FYE and FOUR Best Buys and none of them having it....and Best Buy had a special deal when it came out. It was their mail adverts! "Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection for $29.99" I had to order it online. I didn't see it in stores until Thriller 25 was released

So that visit to B&N that summer, I was in shocked and kinda pissed off because like many folks in this sticky, I REMEMBER and to see so many companies making a profit from someone who they wouldn't touch for a greater part of 15 years, it was pretty sickening

The This Is It premiere livecast. Folks there for publicity. Folks there who I remember talking shit about him, saying they loved him and he was an inspiration to them. "What's your favorite song?"

"Err....Billie Jean"

[img:$uid]http://i41.tinypic.com/2gtc4xy.gif[/img:$uid]

Yeah.....get the entire fuck outta here

and I can't tell you how TIRED I was at every MJ related event, there was the This Is It dancers doing "The Drill"

and this recent event at the Chinese theater felt more like a promotional tool for the "Immortal World Tour"

All y'all speak truth. It's saddening...

I'm sure the similar thing happened when John Lennon and Elvis died. I'm sure their names were everywhere. And compared to 2010, I saw less MJ related things during 2011 so it's slowly dying down already I think. When I hear about MJ tribute on American Idol or Glee from friends, I don't know, it just makes me happy, because usually of all people around me in real life I'd be the first one to know any major MJ related stuff (..I read this sticky often) And the shows, I just like them for simple reasons. I like the fact that I hear his music everywhere and I get to talk about it with my friends. I like the tackiness/corniness of these shows too because in a way it reminds me of Michael as a person lol "What if someone thinks this is better than the original version?!"...if they think it is, so be it. No big deal. If you happen to like certain American Idol cover more than the original, you know, whatever. I don't have to convince people MJ's the best and he should be everyone's favorite because at the end of the day everyone has different taste. And I really love kids! but I don't take their opinions too seriously, there's no way they can ever get me upset lol. Example, My baby sister walked into my room the other day when my laptop was playing 'scandalous' (oops), and she plugged her ears and yelled at me "He(prince) sounds so GROSS! EwwWW" lol, oh well ='(

I personally haven't experienced anything that makes me feel as if this whole tribute could be damaging or cheapening his legacy. Well except for things like MJ ice cream or perfume or whatever that cheap looking stuff that his dad was planning to launch lol even that, I'm like, well...the chances are if you're not his fan, you'll probably never get to even hear about these products so it may be hurting the fans eyes but I don't know if general public will ever give a damn...

Just my opinion, I don't see anything wrong with suddenly being MJ's fan after his death either. A lot of younger crowds, didn't really know about MJ before his death so they really finally got to hear his music and watch his music videos for the first time after he died. As far as the media or certain celebrities claiming that they're all of a sudden MJ fan after his death, I do think it could be partially just for the ratings but it's part of "not-being-a-complete-a hole" as well. When people pass away tragically, unless you're a complete jerk you'll try to show some compassion. I know so many people were more focused on making jokes out of MJ than the music before his death but I honestly think the majority of them still loved his music. The thing is, if you love his music, you can call yourself a fan. You don't have to defend him through out everything. If you think he looks wacky, if you think there's a possibility he could've been a criminal, but at the end of the day it's his music that makes you come back to him, you can say "I love MJ he's a legend", and it doesn't bother me. Then again, I've only been his fan for a very short period of time myself so...

[Edited 1/28/12 12:41pm]

Dren5 said:

bboy87 said:

Co-sign

While the estate has made a lot of money since 2009, some of the approved merchandise has been pointless. The posters, t shirts, dolls, and stationary products are cool, but Michael Jackson collector plates? bobbleheads, coffee mugs, belt buckles?

There's a freakin' Michael Jackson wine corkscrew

If it was me, I would be putting a lot more emphasis on Michael Jackson, the artist. Documentaries, books, albums, and videos

Many fans feel that while they're doing great, the Estate is mainly targeting the casual consumer. The "post June 25" fans and it alienates the hardcore fanbase

This, I agree with. I get "This Is It" and think it was really a damn good way to honor him and went to see it in the theaters when it was released, with my mom and my aunts. But pretty much everything that's come out since then I think is just vulgar and unnecessary. I was making the "Who Farted?" face back when I heard about the "Michael" disc and then the Cirque du Soleil show and I've been doing it ever since.

I think it should've been "This Is It", and maybe like one really high-quality, well-thought out coffee table type of book with pictures and little blurbs about him and his work, and maybe (if it wouldn't have gone against MJ's wishes), one new cd full of unreleased MJ tracks - and not the Cascio bullshit either - and that's it. All this other shit just makes me see red.

I think a large part of it is that the Estate is just glad that his name isn't being smeared anymore and that the public's perception of him has improved so much that they want to see that continue, so they pretty much support and sign off on anything that references MJ in a positive light and aren't realizing how some of this stuff cheapens his legacy.

ThrutheEyesofWonder - Okay, I get what you're saying but in a way I don't agree. I've been a fan of MJ's since I was like, anywhere from 2-4 years old. And that's literally not an exaggeration. My mother used to tell stories of me being that young and knowing all the lyrics to MJ songs by heart, that kind of thing. I was around for Thriller (although yes, I was young as hell), I was around for Bad, I was around for Dangerous, for HIStory. Yeah, there were time periods where I listened to other artists way more and would say I wasn't an MJ fan because I got fed up with the fan community and/or dumb shit MJ would do, but really it was all just talk because everytime something went on, I was always 'there'. Hell, I can still remember sitting at the computer watching the livestream of MJ doing the autograph signing for "Invincible".

So to some extent while yeah I get and appreciate that there's new fans - and I think that's a good thing because whoever isn't against you, is for you - at the same time I do think some degree of acknowledgment and respect for the longterm fans from the newer ones, is justified. A lot of the newer ones did just suddenly jump on the MJ bandwagon after he 'died' and suddenly his likeness and his work were everywhere and to be honest they haven't had to take the kind of shit off of people that the older fans have, for being MJ fans back when it wasn't the 'In' thing to be. Now, like others have said, it's suddenly Ok to 'like MJ'. That wasn't always the case. So yeah my patience is short with newer fans who talk shit.

Beautifully said.

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

This, I agree with. I get "This Is It" and think it was really a damn good way to honor him and went to see it in the theaters when it was released, with my mom and my aunts. But pretty much everything that's come out since then I think is just vulgar and unnecessary. I was making the "Who Farted?" face back when I heard about the "Michael" disc and then the Cirque du Soleil show and I've been doing it ever since.

I think it should've been "This Is It", and maybe like one really high-quality, well-thought out coffee table type of book with pictures and little blurbs about him and his work, and maybe (if it wouldn't have gone against MJ's wishes), one new cd full of unreleased MJ tracks - and not the Cascio bullshit either - and that's it. All this other shit just makes me see red.

I think a large part of it is that the Estate is just glad that his name isn't being smeared anymore and that the public's perception of him has improved so much that they want to see that continue, so they pretty much support and sign off on anything that references MJ in a positive light and aren't realizing how some of this stuff cheapens his legacy.

ThrutheEyesofWonder - Okay, I get what you're saying but in a way I don't agree. I've been a fan of MJ's since I was like, anywhere from 2-4 years old. And that's literally not an exaggeration. My mother used to tell stories of me being that young and knowing all the lyrics to MJ songs by heart, that kind of thing. I was around for Thriller (although yes, I was young as hell), I was around for Bad, I was around for Dangerous, for HIStory. Yeah, there were time periods where I listened to other artists way more and would say I wasn't an MJ fan because I got fed up with the fan community and/or dumb shit MJ would do, but really it was all just talk because everytime something went on, I was always 'there'. Hell, I can still remember sitting at the computer watching the livestream of MJ doing the autograph signing for "Invincible".

So to some extent while yeah I get and appreciate that there's new fans - and I think that's a good thing because whoever isn't against you, is for you - at the same time I do think some degree of acknowledgment and respect for the longterm fans from the newer ones, is justified. A lot of the newer ones did just suddenly jump on the MJ bandwagon after he 'died' and suddenly his likeness and his work were everywhere and to be honest they haven't had to take the kind of shit off of people that the older fans have, for being MJ fans back when it wasn't the 'In' thing to be. Now, like others have said, it's suddenly Ok to 'like MJ'. That wasn't always the case. So yeah my patience is short with newer fans who talk shit.

That's how I feel.

I remember walking in Barnes and Noble in August '09 and seeing books and books and magazines and calendars of Michael and wondering, "I'm 21, I've been a fan since I was 2......where was all of THIS when I was growing up?"

I don't remember seeing Michael posters in stores since my cousin bought me one when I was 5 in 1992. It was very rare occassion to see a book about Michael Jackson in book stores (my friends who wrote one were told by several companies that a positive Michael Jackson book won't sell). Matter of fact, I remember ranting on this very site back in 2008 or 2009 that you can't find books about Michael, Prince, James Brown, Stevie, or Marvin in book stores but you'll see rows of books about The Rolling Stones or Bob Dylan or Kurt Cobain.

I don't remember Michael Jackson t-shirts or buttons or any kind of memorbilia. I remember looking for "The Ultimate Collection" and going to 10 different stores. 2 Wal Marts, 3 Barnes And Nobles, an FYE and FOUR Best Buys and none of them having it....and Best Buy had a special deal when it came out. It was their mail adverts! "Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection for $29.99" I had to order it online. I didn't see it in stores until Thriller 25 was released

So that visit to B&N that summer, I was in shocked and kinda pissed off because like many folks in this sticky, I REMEMBER and to see so many companies making a profit from someone who they wouldn't touch for a greater part of 15 years, it was pretty sickening

The This Is It premiere livecast. Folks there for publicity. Folks there who I remember talking shit about him, saying they loved him and he was an inspiration to them. "What's your favorite song?"

"Err....Billie Jean"

[img:$uid]http://i41.tinypic.com/2gtc4xy.gif[/img:$uid]

Yeah.....get the entire fuck outta here

and I can't tell you how TIRED I was at every MJ related event, there was the This Is It dancers doing "The Drill"

and this recent event at the Chinese theater felt more like a promotional tool for the "Immortal World Tour"

Exactly. Hell, there was a period there in the late 90s/early 2000s where in some stores they didn't even carry his music in the cd section - I shit you not. I used to always go over to the J's (reflex, force of habit type bullshit) and a few times there was nothing there. I was shocked to see after he 'died', not only is his catalog available again in those same places, but there were MJ posters in other sections of the store...

When I was in middle school, about 12 or 13 (this is the early 1990s), I owned the book "Magic and the Madness" and used to read it constantly because let's be real here, it's not like there was much else available about MJ, especially not in the States. I went to my school's library to return some books I'd checked out and realized later that I'd accidentally stuffed the bio down the chute with them. I told the librarian I lost my book and what the title was and, literally out of nowhere she suddenly says she that MJ wasn't her 'favorite person'. No, I hadn't tried to start a discussion about him or anything else, she just felt the need to tell me that for some reason. This was a grown woman that looked to be in either her 50s or 60s at the time.

In elementary school during the Pledge of Allegiance it suddenly became the 'In' thing for the other kids to say "I pledge allegiance to the flag/that Michael Jackson is a f*g..." there was a big window of time there for years and years that if you mentioned you were into MJ, you would basically expect some kind of fucked-up comment from people of various ages.

Every fan who has been around long enough, has stories like that. When new fans wanna run their mouths too much I'm always like, "Where the fuck where you back during the 90s? Were you at fucking MJIFC? Have you ever had to brace yourself for people's reaction when you mention being an MJ fan? No? Then shut the fuck up."

bboy87 said:

Playing "armchair A&R" I would release from 2009-2017

This is my thing. MJ recorded damn near his every step of the day (as far as music goes. rehearsals, performances...) We all know MJ has at least over 100 mixed and mastered records that can be released. WHY isn't Sony releasing these? There HAS to be a clause in the contract with the Estate that's preventing this from happening. Didn't MJ also mention that he had about 100 songs that only his children will have access to after he dies?

Dren5 said:

bboy87 said:

That's how I feel.

I remember walking in Barnes and Noble in August '09 and seeing books and books and magazines and calendars of Michael and wondering, "I'm 21, I've been a fan since I was 2......where was all of THIS when I was growing up?"

I don't remember seeing Michael posters in stores since my cousin bought me one when I was 5 in 1992. It was very rare occassion to see a book about Michael Jackson in book stores (my friends who wrote one were told by several companies that a positive Michael Jackson book won't sell). Matter of fact, I remember ranting on this very site back in 2008 or 2009 that you can't find books about Michael, Prince, James Brown, Stevie, or Marvin in book stores but you'll see rows of books about The Rolling Stones or Bob Dylan or Kurt Cobain.

I don't remember Michael Jackson t-shirts or buttons or any kind of memorbilia. I remember looking for "The Ultimate Collection" and going to 10 different stores. 2 Wal Marts, 3 Barnes And Nobles, an FYE and FOUR Best Buys and none of them having it....and Best Buy had a special deal when it came out. It was their mail adverts! "Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection for $29.99" I had to order it online. I didn't see it in stores until Thriller 25 was released

So that visit to B&N that summer, I was in shocked and kinda pissed off because like many folks in this sticky, I REMEMBER and to see so many companies making a profit from someone who they wouldn't touch for a greater part of 15 years, it was pretty sickening

The This Is It premiere livecast. Folks there for publicity. Folks there who I remember talking shit about him, saying they loved him and he was an inspiration to them. "What's your favorite song?"

"Err....Billie Jean"

[img:$uid]http://i41.tinypic.com/2gtc4xy.gif[/img:$uid]

Yeah.....get the entire fuck outta here

and I can't tell you how TIRED I was at every MJ related event, there was the This Is It dancers doing "The Drill"

and this recent event at the Chinese theater felt more like a promotional tool for the "Immortal World Tour"

Exactly. Hell, there was a period there in the late 90s/early 2000s where in some stores they didn't even carry his music in the cd section - I shit you not. I used to always go over to the J's (reflex, force of habit type bullshit) and a few times there was nothing there. I was shocked to see after he 'died', not only is his catalog available again in those same places, but there were MJ posters in other sections of the store...

When I was in middle school, about 12 or 13 (this is the early 1990s), I owned the book "Magic and the Madness" and used to read it constantly because let's be real here, it's not like there was much else available about MJ, especially not in the States. I went to my school's library to return some books I'd checked out and realized later that I'd accidentally stuffed the bio down the chute with them. I told the librarian I lost my book and what the title was and, literally out of nowhere she suddenly says she that MJ wasn't her 'favorite person'. No, I hadn't tried to start a discussion about him or anything else, she just felt the need to tell me that for some reason. This was a grown woman that looked to be in either her 50s or 60s at the time.

In elementary school during the Pledge of Allegiance it suddenly became the 'In' thing for the other kids to say "I pledge allegiance to the flag/that Michael Jackson is a f*g..." there was a big window of time there for years and years that if you mentioned you were into MJ, you would basically expect some kind of fucked-up comment from people of various ages.

Every fan who has been around long enough, has stories like that. When new fans wanna run their mouths too much I'm always like, "Where the fuck where you back during the 90s? Were you at fucking MJIFC? Have you ever had to brace yourself for people's reaction when you mention being an MJ fan? No? Then shut the fuck up."

You're right. I remember when the Ultimate Collection got released, the shop assistant told me that didn't have it and that they're not gonna support him because of everything that was going on at the time (the trial). I wanted to slap him in the face.

Dren5 said:

Every fan who has been around long enough, has stories like that. When new fans wanna run their mouths too much I'm always like, "Where the fuck where you back during the 90s? Were you at fucking MJIFC? Have you ever had to brace yourself for people's reaction when you mention being an MJ fan? No? Then shut the fuck up."

I will never be able to understand this mentality. Might as well give someone who truly stood by MJ's side no matter what - completely defended him in from any rumors at all time - the right to make final decisions on any MJ related issues? Because apparently "new fans" aren't as qualified as "old fans" to speak of anything related to MJ according to your standard.

Sorry you felt like you were the only one who supported MJ through out the 90's, you must've been lonely and miserable. But now the majority of "new fans" want to hear his unreleased stuff just as much as you do, and some of them still don't give a damn about his personal life and just believe whatever they wanna believe. Just because they didn't give a damn about his personal life during the 90's and 2000's, you think their love for MJ's music is any less than yours?

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

Playing "armchair A&R" I would release from 2009-2017

This is my thing. MJ recorded damn near his every step of the day (as far as music goes. rehearsals, performances...) We all know MJ has at least over 100 mixed and mastered records that can be released. WHY isn't Sony releasing these? There HAS to be a clause in the contract with the Estate that's preventing this from happening. Didn't MJ also mention that he had about 100 songs that only his children will have access to after he dies?

MJ himself said that ? I don't think so.....

using the fake cascios tracks on the michael album still makes me wonder about what is left on the vault , why you use them when you have tons and tons of other songs or there weren't tons of songs at all............

seeingvoices12 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

This is my thing. MJ recorded damn near his every step of the day (as far as music goes. rehearsals, performances...) We all know MJ has at least over 100 mixed and mastered records that can be released. WHY isn't Sony releasing these? There HAS to be a clause in the contract with the Estate that's preventing this from happening. Didn't MJ also mention that he had about 100 songs that only his children will have access to after he dies?

MJ himself said that ? I don't think so.....

using the fake cascios tracks on the michael album still makes me wonder about what is left on the vault , why you use them when you have tons and tons of other songs or there weren't tons of songs at all............

To my knowledge, after MJ passed, somewhere in his will mentioned about 100 unpublished records that will go to the children.

There had to be a reason behind the Cascio tracks making their way on the Michael record that we will never know. MJ spoke highly of a few unreleased records that we haven't heard yet so I know there's plenty of music sitting on shelves. It's just a mater of what can and CAN'T be released possibly due to the contract Sony has with the Estate.

smoothcriminal12 said:

bboy87 said:

Playing "armchair A&R" I would release from 2009-2017

-This Is It soundtrack but with this tracklisting

and maybe possible unreleased videos for Smile and Heartbreak Hotel and rough cuts of Beat It, Thriller, Bad, and The Way You Make Me Feel

-a nice art/photobook of photographs, sketches, and notes

-Bad Tour DVD/Blu Ray

-Triumph Tour DVD/Blu Ray

-Making Of Thriller DVD/Blu Ray

-a 2 CD compilation of unreleased music from 1975 to 1989 including

Behind The Mask

Much Too Soon (1981 version)

Buffalo Bill

What A Lonely Way To Go

Love Never Felt So Good

Starlight

Iowa

-a followup 2CD set of above but with music from 1990-2009

-Bad 25th Anniversary Edition

-HIStory Disc 2 released seperately

-The Michael Jackson/David Michael Frank collaboration

Sony needs to hire you pronto.

wow! this would be a dream come true!

to add on to that, i would also love if they relesaed the victory (kansas and dallas) on dvd and blu ray.

i would also want them to release all of the this is it footage,thats one of the things i want most.maybe in like a really big boxset type thing or something..

i would also like if with all the concert dvd releases if they made a collectors edition with things like backstage and rehearsal footage etc..

and of coarse EVERYTHING in the vault,

ViintageJunkiie said:

seeingvoices12 said:

MJ himself said that ? I don't think so.....

using the fake cascios tracks on the michael album still makes me wonder about what is left on the vault , why you use them when you have tons and tons of other songs or there weren't tons of songs at all............

because they think the cascio tracks sound resent and sound like something that could be on top 40 radio... thats why, im not worried one bit about "how much" is in the vault, cause i know darn well that there TONS AND TONS AND TONS of demos/unreleased songs/concert footage/alternate versions of songs... i could go on forever.. i just hope sony will get it right one day

ViintageJunkiie said:

seeingvoices12 said:

MJ himself said that ? I don't think so.....

using the fake cascios tracks on the michael album still makes me wonder about what is left on the vault , why you use them when you have tons and tons of other songs or there weren't tons of songs at all............

To my knowledge, after MJ passed, somewhere in his will mentioned about 100 unpublished records that will go to the children.

There had to be a reason behind the Cascio tracks making their way on the Michael record that we will never know. MJ spoke highly of a few unreleased records that we haven't heard yet so I know there's plenty of music sitting on shelves. It's just a mater of what can and CAN'T be released possibly due to the contract Sony has with the Estate.

I remembered that rodney jerkins was working on a project with unreleased material , I wonder what happened with that project ?

dm3857 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

because they think the cascio tracks sound resent and sound like something that could be on top 40 radio... thats why, im not worried one bit about "how much" is in the vault, cause i know darn well that there TONS AND TONS AND TONS of demos/unreleased songs/concert footage/alternate versions of songs... i could go on forever.. i just hope sony will get it right one day

I just hope that you right ....

dm3857 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

because they think the cascio tracks sound resent and sound like something that could be on top 40 radio... thats why, im not worried one bit about "how much" is in the vault, cause i know darn well that there TONS AND TONS AND TONS of demos/unreleased songs/concert footage/alternate versions of songs... i could go on forever.. i just hope sony will get it right one day

They'll get it right the moment Jay Wonder hands his resume in to Sony Music....

Who said that!?

The post 2009 fans are annoying as fuck. It's died down now but smh now they all moved on making fansites for his kids I can't at that mess.

Emancipation89 said:

Dren5 said:

Every fan who has been around long enough, has stories like that. When new fans wanna run their mouths too much I'm always like, "Where the fuck where you back during the 90s? Were you at fucking MJIFC? Have you ever had to brace yourself for people's reaction when you mention being an MJ fan? No? Then shut the fuck up."

I will never be able to understand this mentality. Might as well give someone who truly stood by MJ's side no matter what - completely defended him in from any rumors at all time - the right to make final decisions on any MJ related issues? Because apparently "new fans" aren't as qualified as "old fans" to speak of anything related to MJ according to your standard.

Sorry you felt like you were the only one who supported MJ through out the 90's, you must've been lonely and miserable. But now the majority of "new fans" want to hear his unreleased stuff just as much as you do, and some of them still don't give a damn about his personal life and just believe whatever they wanna believe. Just because they didn't give a damn about his personal life during the 90's and 2000's, you think their love for MJ's music is any less than yours?

I know where Dren5 is coming from so I think I can give some insight

He's not talking about new fans who are truly fans. He's most likely talking about bandwagoners who are fans because it became the "in thing" to do. I, like Dren and others don't have problems with people now becoming fans after his passing. It's great to know Michael's music is reaching folks BUT there are people who are fans just because it's somewhat cool to like a dead performer

There's folks who were so sure of him being a freak or a pedophile or "not that good" but the month after he died, he was their favorite singer

To that bolded part, nobody's saying that to be a fan, you have to be invested in his personal life (I'm one of the fans who doesn't keep up with his kids or a lot of the other stuff that surrounded him) but at the same time in certain issues, there has to be a balance. For example, I would give ANYONE the side eye who says they're a Michael Jackson fan but thinks he bleached his skin or molested kids

Like I said, for those of us who remember when, it's kinda....."meh" because there was a time when you got shit just for liking his music

[Edited 1/28/12 16:10pm]