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PrintableAaronUnlimited said: Brother915 said: 2)Radio Issues...Radio have all of these independent contractors suppling them with playlists, plus you have the payola issues that play a factor. I remember back in the 70's radio stations{namely R&B radio stations played a wide variety of music{even throwing some jazz/fusion, reggae and rock..people laugh now when I tell them that The Police used to get played on R&B radio} These radio stations now have all of these contests where they're giving away a whole lot of money to keep listeners on their radio dial. EX: They will structure a contest where they will give you three songs that you must listen out to being played in a row, before calling in. Once you hear these three songs in a row you call in and if you're correct caller, then you win. The whole object is to keep you on the radio station. A substantial amount of these radio stations are at or near or at the top of the radio ratings. But it is not the quality of their music that has them at that position, but rather the money that they give away. Most radio listeners will tell you this as well. Additionally, it is very hard for an upstart artist to get airplay on radio now-a-days unless they got a big money machine behind them . if people listen to the radio to win stuff, then they're getting what they want out of radio. as for payola, it was a bigger problem back in the old days than it is today. today, it's in the form of prizes to give away to the audience. back in the day it was in the form of cash, drugs, and women directly to the DJ or program director. mistermaxxx | |
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mistermaxxx said: AaronUnlimited said: Brother915 said: 2)Radio Issues...Radio have all of these independent contractors suppling them with playlists, plus you have the payola issues that play a factor. I remember back in the 70's radio stations{namely R&B radio stations played a wide variety of music{even throwing some jazz/fusion, reggae and rock..people laugh now when I tell them that The Police used to get played on R&B radio} These radio stations now have all of these contests where they're giving away a whole lot of money to keep listeners on their radio dial. EX: They will structure a contest where they will give you three songs that you must listen out to being played in a row, before calling in. Once you hear these three songs in a row you call in and if you're correct caller, then you win. The whole object is to keep you on the radio station. A substantial amount of these radio stations are at or near or at the top of the radio ratings. But it is not the quality of their music that has them at that position, but rather the money that they give away. Most radio listeners will tell you this as well. Additionally, it is very hard for an upstart artist to get airplay on radio now-a-days unless they got a big money machine behind them . if people listen to the radio to win stuff, then they're getting what they want out of radio. as for payola, it was a bigger problem back in the old days than it is today. today, it's in the form of prizes to give away to the audience. back in the day it was in the form of cash, drugs, and women directly to the DJ or program director. i'm not saying there's no payola anymore. i'm saying that it was more prevalent and direct back in the day. | |
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I haven't listened to mainstream 'pop' radio in my home for 10 years.I don't miss it, the only stations i listen to are News and talk stations.At work they usually put the radio on and i sometimes ask "who's this?" if something catches my ear.That happens maybe once a week.
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AaronUnlimited said: mistermaxxx said: AaronUnlimited said: Brother915 said: 2)Radio Issues...Radio have all of these independent contractors suppling them with playlists, plus you have the payola issues that play a factor. I remember back in the 70's radio stations{namely R&B radio stations played a wide variety of music{even throwing some jazz/fusion, reggae and rock..people laugh now when I tell them that The Police used to get played on R&B radio} These radio stations now have all of these contests where they're giving away a whole lot of money to keep listeners on their radio dial. EX: They will structure a contest where they will give you three songs that you must listen out to being played in a row, before calling in. Once you hear these three songs in a row you call in and if you're correct caller, then you win. The whole object is to keep you on the radio station. A substantial amount of these radio stations are at or near or at the top of the radio ratings. But it is not the quality of their music that has them at that position, but rather the money that they give away. Most radio listeners will tell you this as well. Additionally, it is very hard for an upstart artist to get airplay on radio now-a-days unless they got a big money machine behind them . if people listen to the radio to win stuff, then they're getting what they want out of radio. as for payola, it was a bigger problem back in the old days than it is today. today, it's in the form of prizes to give away to the audience. back in the day it was in the form of cash, drugs, and women directly to the DJ or program director. i'm not saying there's no payola anymore. i'm saying that it was more prevalent and direct back in the day. mistermaxxx | |
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mistermaxxx said: AaronUnlimited said: mistermaxxx said: AaronUnlimited said: Brother915 said: 2)Radio Issues...Radio have all of these independent contractors suppling them with playlists, plus you have the payola issues that play a factor. I remember back in the 70's radio stations{namely R&B radio stations played a wide variety of music{even throwing some jazz/fusion, reggae and rock..people laugh now when I tell them that The Police used to get played on R&B radio} These radio stations now have all of these contests where they're giving away a whole lot of money to keep listeners on their radio dial. EX: They will structure a contest where they will give you three songs that you must listen out to being played in a row, before calling in. Once you hear these three songs in a row you call in and if you're correct caller, then you win. The whole object is to keep you on the radio station. A substantial amount of these radio stations are at or near or at the top of the radio ratings. But it is not the quality of their music that has them at that position, but rather the money that they give away. Most radio listeners will tell you this as well. Additionally, it is very hard for an upstart artist to get airplay on radio now-a-days unless they got a big money machine behind them . if people listen to the radio to win stuff, then they're getting what they want out of radio. as for payola, it was a bigger problem back in the old days than it is today. today, it's in the form of prizes to give away to the audience. back in the day it was in the form of cash, drugs, and women directly to the DJ or program director. i'm not saying there's no payola anymore. i'm saying that it was more prevalent and direct back in the day. payola and duets are two different things. which would you like to talk about? | |
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mistermaxxx said: Brother915 said: A quick overview of why music today is problematic...
I Agree.Number 5 Rings truest because I truly Believe that the Industry thinks the Buying Public are Dumb&will go for anything&they don't care if the Song was Hot last Tuesday if they can PIMP it back Next Tuesday than it's there all over again just another Name floating with it.Peace1) No Long Term Vision From Record Company...only interested in the quick HIT aka $$$, instead of carefully nurturing and developing artists. 2)Radio Issues...Radio have all of these independent contractors suppling them with playlists, plus you have the payola issues that play a factor. I remember back in the 70's radio stations{namely R&B radio stations played a wide variety of music{even throwing some jazz/fusion, reggae and rock..people laugh now when I tell them that The Police used to get played on R&B radio} These radio stations now have all of these contests where they're giving away a whole lot of money to keep listeners on their radio dial. EX: They will structure a contest where they will give you three songs that you must listen out to being played in a row, before calling in. Once you hear these three songs in a row you call in and if you're correct caller, then you win. The whole object is to keep you on the radio station. A substantial amount of these radio stations are at or near or at the top of the radio ratings. But it is not the quality of their music that has them at that position, but rather the money that they give away. Most radio listeners will tell you this as well. Additionally, it is very hard for an upstart artist to get airplay on radio now-a-days unless they got a big money machine behind them 3) Lack Of Musicians...this has been stated many times. A lot of upcoming artists simply don't want to take the time to learn an instrument. But considering the way the music industry {and the Billboard charts} are now-a-days, there's not much of an incentive. Why learn an instrument when you can go double platinum with a good producer and drum/beat machine and some programming equipment? The benchmark was much different back in the 60's and 70's. I'm speaking primarily of musical woes within the r&B world. On the contermporary rock scene, you have musicians, but they're not good ones. A lot of musicians I hear now just seem to be going through the motions, just banging/thrashing away on their instruments{without any type of true musicality...in short it sounds like one big messy hodgepodge of sounds}. 4)Lack Of Great Songwriters...As the old folks say they just don't write em like they used to. 5)Music Listeners...Part of the problem are music listeners who don't execute good musical discernment. You have many people who are have very short attention span. They are looking for something that grabs their attention within the first 10 seconds{namely a great beat/or hook..thus record producers and artists know this and thus they try to cater to the demands}. If these people had to listen to a 19 minute piece by Weather Report{for an example}, if would be extremely painful for them. We live in a microwave age, where people want instant gratification.,,,INSTANTLY. Whatever happen to good songs with great melodies, chord and harmonic progressions? These are few things off the top of my head. Yea...I feel ya. To me, it's like that old economic 101 lesson...Supply And Demand. These record companies are simply just giving the people what they want. That's why I say that the music consumers dictate the flow of things commercially. If music consumers, would exercise good listenership, then they'd know the shallowness of this music now-a-days and choose to spend their money on music of more artistic merit. But how many times have you heard people say..."I like that track, it's BANGIN', that BEAT is tight?. The song from a lyrical and arrangement standpoint could be sloppy as I don't know what, but if the beat is tight, then it will sell more times than not. Going back to number #1 on my post. Consider the group L.T.D. featuring Jeffrey Obsborne for example. L.T.D had put out three albums on A&M Records before landing their first big hit which was "Love Ballad" in 1976. In this current musical climate, L.T.D. would have been dropped from the record label like a two-ton anchor...then L.T.D would stand for Lootless, and Totally Devastated...  ..
It just goes to show the impatient behavior which is the norm now-a-days amongst record companies. [This message was edited Mon Apr 21 8:47:36 PDT 2003 by Brother915] | |
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lovebizzare said: With very few exceptions (and I do mean few), today's music just seems very dry and boring.
I mean, rap is all about "I'm gonna murder you" and "bling-bling", r&b, nothings really impressses me there, and of course there's the buble gum pop music. So my question to you guys is: do you today's music will improve? where when you turn on the radio you'll actually like what you're hearing? he "arists" will actually write and play their own music? will rap actually have more meanig then nkilling somebody or "thug life"? Or will the music industry just get worse then it already is? Sorry about my little rant, I grew up in the '80s, so I guess I'm a little spoiled, but I just think today's muisc is just getting worser worser. Nothing's new or exciting. It's really sad to think that 20 years from now this is what today's children will be sharing with their own. i just can't imagine 20 years from now this what people will be calling the "good ole days", I hate to think what music will be like then. Anyone understand what I'm trying to say? Oh yes,I definitely understand what you're saying,and I agree!!! I don't have much faith in the future of music. I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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Brother915 said: mistermaxxx said: Brother915 said: A quick overview of why music today is problematic...
I Agree.Number 5 Rings truest because I truly Believe that the Industry thinks the Buying Public are Dumb&will go for anything&they don't care if the Song was Hot last Tuesday if they can PIMP it back Next Tuesday than it's there all over again just another Name floating with it.Peace1) No Long Term Vision From Record Company...only interested in the quick HIT aka $$$, instead of carefully nurturing and developing artists. 2)Radio Issues...Radio have all of these independent contractors suppling them with playlists, plus you have the payola issues that play a factor. I remember back in the 70's radio stations{namely R&B radio stations played a wide variety of music{even throwing some jazz/fusion, reggae and rock..people laugh now when I tell them that The Police used to get played on R&B radio} These radio stations now have all of these contests where they're giving away a whole lot of money to keep listeners on their radio dial. EX: They will structure a contest where they will give you three songs that you must listen out to being played in a row, before calling in. Once you hear these three songs in a row you call in and if you're correct caller, then you win. The whole object is to keep you on the radio station. A substantial amount of these radio stations are at or near or at the top of the radio ratings. But it is not the quality of their music that has them at that position, but rather the money that they give away. Most radio listeners will tell you this as well. Additionally, it is very hard for an upstart artist to get airplay on radio now-a-days unless they got a big money machine behind them 3) Lack Of Musicians...this has been stated many times. A lot of upcoming artists simply don't want to take the time to learn an instrument. But considering the way the music industry {and the Billboard charts} are now-a-days, there's not much of an incentive. Why learn an instrument when you can go double platinum with a good producer and drum/beat machine and some programming equipment? The benchmark was much different back in the 60's and 70's. I'm speaking primarily of musical woes within the r&B world. On the contermporary rock scene, you have musicians, but they're not good ones. A lot of musicians I hear now just seem to be going through the motions, just banging/thrashing away on their instruments{without any type of true musicality...in short it sounds like one big messy hodgepodge of sounds}. 4)Lack Of Great Songwriters...As the old folks say they just don't write em like they used to. 5)Music Listeners...Part of the problem are music listeners who don't execute good musical discernment. You have many people who are have very short attention span. They are looking for something that grabs their attention within the first 10 seconds{namely a great beat/or hook..thus record producers and artists know this and thus they try to cater to the demands}. If these people had to listen to a 19 minute piece by Weather Report{for an example}, if would be extremely painful for them. We live in a microwave age, where people want instant gratification.,,,INSTANTLY. Whatever happen to good songs with great melodies, chord and harmonic progressions? These are few things off the top of my head. Yea...I feel ya. To me, it's like that old economic 101 lesson...Supply And Demand. These record companies are simply just giving the people what they want. That's why I say that the music consumers dictate the flow of things commercially. If music consumers, would exercise good listenership, then they's know the shallowness of this music now-a-days and choose to spend their money on music of more artistic merit. But how many times have you heard people say..."I like that track, it's BANGIN', that BEAT is tight?. The song from a lyrical and arrangement standpoint could be sloppy as I don't know what, but if the beat is tight, then it will sell more times than not. Going back to number #1 on my post. Consider the group L.T.D. featuring Jeffrey Obsborne for example. L.T.D had put out three albums on A&M Records before landing their first big hit which was "Love Ballad" in 1976. In this current musical climate, L.T.D. would have been dropped from the record label like a two-ton anchor...then L.T.D would stand for Lootless, and Totally Devastated... ..
It just goes to show the impatient behavior which is the norm now-a-days amongst record companies. mistermaxxx | |
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AaronUnlimited said: mistermaxxx said: AaronUnlimited said: mistermaxxx said: AaronUnlimited said: Brother915 said: 2)Radio Issues...Radio have all of these independent contractors suppling them with playlists, plus you have the payola issues that play a factor. I remember back in the 70's radio stations{namely R&B radio stations played a wide variety of music{even throwing some jazz/fusion, reggae and rock..people laugh now when I tell them that The Police used to get played on R&B radio} These radio stations now have all of these contests where they're giving away a whole lot of money to keep listeners on their radio dial. EX: They will structure a contest where they will give you three songs that you must listen out to being played in a row, before calling in. Once you hear these three songs in a row you call in and if you're correct caller, then you win. The whole object is to keep you on the radio station. A substantial amount of these radio stations are at or near or at the top of the radio ratings. But it is not the quality of their music that has them at that position, but rather the money that they give away. Most radio listeners will tell you this as well. Additionally, it is very hard for an upstart artist to get airplay on radio now-a-days unless they got a big money machine behind them . if people listen to the radio to win stuff, then they're getting what they want out of radio. as for payola, it was a bigger problem back in the old days than it is today. today, it's in the form of prizes to give away to the audience. back in the day it was in the form of cash, drugs, and women directly to the DJ or program director. i'm not saying there's no payola anymore. i'm saying that it was more prevalent and direct back in the day. payola and duets are two different things. which would you like to talk about? mistermaxxx | |
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mistermaxxx said: AaronUnlimited said: payola and duets are two different things. which would you like to talk about? that's not payola. payola is paying a radio station to play the record. putting a hot act together with a no-longer or up-coming act is called marketing. | |
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