Fran Lebowitz wisely stated that the world has been in a state of nastalgia for the past few decades and that it's the job of the young to come up with new things. When I think of music I'm shocked that it's been a very long while since anything new has come out with that POW! factor. I've made a little list of what jumps out at me from the past few decades:

Most recent music innovation: Nirvana and Grunge. Argue if you must, it sounded new, and it was a movement that seemed to be at odds with commercial concerns. Just listen to Nirvana or Holes lyrics. Or watch a PJ Harvey video from the time.

Before that: Prince, who created his own sound (The Minneapolis Sound) out of thin air. From guitar licks to keyboard sounds and drum machine staples, nothing did or does sound like the Minneapolis sound.

Then there's rap: Rap changed the game completely in the 80's. Unfortunately it's the innovation I would miss the least were it to go away.

Disco: Oh the days of the 20 minute extended version and slick orchestration over a heavy bottom. Disco was the monster stepchild to 70's R&B.

Heavy Metal: led Zeppalin, Black Sabbath et al extended from 60's rock and added blues and skreechy(sp) guitars.

It's safe to say, unless I'm missing something, that there hasn't been a single musical innovation in 20 years!

CynicKill said:

Fran Lebowitz wisely stated that the world has been in a state of nastalgia for the past few decades and that it's the job of the young to come up with new things. When I think of music I'm shocked that it's been a very long while since anything new has come out with that POW! factor. I've made a little list of what jumps out at me from the past few decades:

Most recent music innovation: Nirvana and Grunge. Argue if you must, it sounded new, and it was a movement that seemed to be at odds with commercial concerns. Just listen to Nirvana or Holes lyrics. Or watch a PJ Harvey video from the time.

Before that: Prince, who created his own sound (The Minneapolis Sound) out of thin air. From guitar licks to keyboard sounds and drum machine staples, nothing did or does sound like the Minneapolis sound.

Then there's rap: Rap changed the game completely in the 80's. Unfortunately it's the innovation I would miss the least were it to go away.

Disco: Oh the days of the 20 minute extended version and slick orchestration over a heavy bottom. Disco was the monster stepchild to 70's R&B.

Heavy Metal: led Zeppalin, Black Sabbath et al extended from 60's rock and added blues and skreechy(sp) guitars.

It's safe to say, unless I'm missing something, that there hasn't been a single musical innovation in 20 years!

Are you implying Prince invented that sound or enhanced it?

mjscarousal said:

CynicKill said:

Fran Lebowitz wisely stated that the world has been in a state of nastalgia for the past few decades and that it's the job of the young to come up with new things. When I think of music I'm shocked that it's been a very long while since anything new has come out with that POW! factor. I've made a little list of what jumps out at me from the past few decades:

Most recent music innovation: Nirvana and Grunge. Argue if you must, it sounded new, and it was a movement that seemed to be at odds with commercial concerns. Just listen to Nirvana or Holes lyrics. Or watch a PJ Harvey video from the time.

Before that: Prince, who created his own sound (The Minneapolis Sound) out of thin air. From guitar licks to keyboard sounds and drum machine staples, nothing did or does sound like the Minneapolis sound.

Then there's rap: Rap changed the game completely in the 80's. Unfortunately it's the innovation I would miss the least were it to go away.

Disco: Oh the days of the 20 minute extended version and slick orchestration over a heavy bottom. Disco was the monster stepchild to 70's R&B.

Heavy Metal: led Zeppalin, Black Sabbath et al extended from 60's rock and added blues and skreechy(sp) guitars.

It's safe to say, unless I'm missing something, that there hasn't been a single musical innovation in 20 years!

Are you implying Prince invented that sound or enhanced it?

Invented?

Am I wrong?

CynicKill said:

mjscarousal said:

Are you implying Prince invented that sound or enhanced it?

Invented?

Yes and no he invented it. The Minneapolis sound is more of a hybrid of many genres.

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CynicKill said:

Fran Lebowitz wisely stated that the world has been in a state of nastalgia for the past few decades and that it's the job of the young to come up with new things. When I think of music I'm shocked that it's been a very long while since anything new has come out with that POW! factor. I've made a little list of what jumps out at me from the past few decades:

Most recent music innovation: Nirvana and Grunge. Argue if you must, it sounded new, and it was a movement that seemed to be at odds with commercial concerns. Just listen to Nirvana or Holes lyrics. Or watch a PJ Harvey video from the time.

Before that: Prince, who created his own sound (The Minneapolis Sound) out of thin air. From guitar licks to keyboard sounds and drum machine staples, nothing did or does sound like the Minneapolis sound.

Then there's rap: Rap changed the game completely in the 80's. Unfortunately it's the innovation I would miss the least were it to go away.

Disco: Oh the days of the 20 minute extended version and slick orchestration over a heavy bottom. Disco was the monster stepchild to 70's R&B.

Heavy Metal: led Zeppalin, Black Sabbath et al extended from 60's rock and added blues and skreechy(sp) guitars.

It's safe to say, unless I'm missing something, that there hasn't been a single musical innovation in 20 years!

My friend, you need a lesson in musicology and its history.

This post is all kinds of wrong and misinformed.

duccichucka said:

CynicKill said:

Fran Lebowitz wisely stated that the world has been in a state of nastalgia for the past few decades and that it's the job of the young to come up with new things. When I think of music I'm shocked that it's been a very long while since anything new has come out with that POW! factor. I've made a little list of what jumps out at me from the past few decades:

Most recent music innovation: Nirvana and Grunge. Argue if you must, it sounded new, and it was a movement that seemed to be at odds with commercial concerns. Just listen to Nirvana or Holes lyrics. Or watch a PJ Harvey video from the time.

Before that: Prince, who created his own sound (The Minneapolis Sound) out of thin air. From guitar licks to keyboard sounds and drum machine staples, nothing did or does sound like the Minneapolis sound.

Then there's rap: Rap changed the game completely in the 80's. Unfortunately it's the innovation I would miss the least were it to go away.

Disco: Oh the days of the 20 minute extended version and slick orchestration over a heavy bottom. Disco was the monster stepchild to 70's R&B.

Heavy Metal: led Zeppalin, Black Sabbath et al extended from 60's rock and added blues and skreechy(sp) guitars.

It's safe to say, unless I'm missing something, that there hasn't been a single musical innovation in 20 years!

My friend, you need a lesson in musicology and its history.

This post is all kinds of wrong and misinformed.

Ok ok. My musicalogical history might be off but I was just trying to list movements that obviously jumped out at me. But I think my point still stands; nothing significant since the heydey of alternative in the early 90's.

It's what I've been saying for awhile now: there is no groundbreaking,innovative music being made these days.By anybody.I think the 80s was the last decade where alot of innovative music was being made.

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CynicKill said:

mjscarousal said:

Are you implying Prince invented that sound or enhanced it?

Invented?

Am I wrong?

See Smoothcriminal post

duccichucka is absolutely right...

The grunge and minneapolis music scenes weren't innovations - they were variations of what had already come before.

Sly Stone is an innovator - so is James Brown - so is Louis Armstrong.

Prince is a fantastic hybrid artist who shook things up immensely but by no means is Prince an innovator in the grand scheme of American pop music history.

duccichucka said:

CynicKill said:

Fran Lebowitz wisely stated that the world has been in a state of nastalgia for the past few decades and that it's the job of the young to come up with new things. When I think of music I'm shocked that it's been a very long while since anything new has come out with that POW! factor. I've made a little list of what jumps out at me from the past few decades:

Most recent music innovation: Nirvana and Grunge. Argue if you must, it sounded new, and it was a movement that seemed to be at odds with commercial concerns. Just listen to Nirvana or Holes lyrics. Or watch a PJ Harvey video from the time.

Before that: Prince, who created his own sound (The Minneapolis Sound) out of thin air. From guitar licks to keyboard sounds and drum machine staples, nothing did or does sound like the Minneapolis sound.

Then there's rap: Rap changed the game completely in the 80's. Unfortunately it's the innovation I would miss the least were it to go away.

Disco: Oh the days of the 20 minute extended version and slick orchestration over a heavy bottom. Disco was the monster stepchild to 70's R&B.

Heavy Metal: led Zeppalin, Black Sabbath et al extended from 60's rock and added blues and skreechy(sp) guitars.

It's safe to say, unless I'm missing something, that there hasn't been a single musical innovation in 20 years!

My friend, you need a lesson in musicology and its history.

This post is all kinds of wrong and misinformed.

I really understand where you're coming from, but I submit that innovations are not necessarily recognized by the masses in real time. A guy like myself may be years behind in recognizing innovative sounds until they build up a critical mass of recognition.

That being said, there are some innovative artists, and several more flirting with innovation, out there. We just have to apply ourselves to find them.

The last time innovation occurred, his name was Sly Stone.

Timmy84 said:

The last time innovation occurred, his name was Sly Stone.

Yes... agreed.

Who invented hip hop/rap though?

J

jayARDAHB said:

Timmy84 said:

The last time innovation occurred, his name was Sly Stone.

Yes... agreed.

Who invented hip hop/rap though?

J

I forgot!

DJ Kool Herc.

Also:

Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa can be argued as other hip-hop inventors.

I forgot there were just as many hip-hop innovators:

Terminator X

Scott La Rock

Marley Marl

Hank Shocklee

Arabian Prince/DJ Yella/Dr. Dre

DJ Quik

Shock G

Jam Master Jay

DJ Screw

Teddy Riley

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