MadamGoodnight said:

MickyDolenz said:

Paul wrote Hey Jude for Julian because he (Paul) felt sorry for Julian's situation.

Poor Julian.

What was funny about that song if you hear the song closely before they get to that "na na na na" bridge, John, who is singing with Paul in the background harmony parts, stops for a minute and goes "oh, fucking hell". You have to hear it lol

Timmy84 said:

MadamGoodnight said:

Poor Julian.

What was funny about that song if you hear the song closely before they get to that "na na na na" bridge, John, who is singing with Paul in the background harmony parts, stops for a minute and goes "oh, fucking hell". You have to hear it lol

Maybe he was enjoying f*cking some chicks and didn't want kids but Julian's mother went and had the baby anyway. That explains 99% of it, and blame her, not John Lennon. It's sad and Julian Lennon probably can't accept this but it's the obvious truth to anyone removed from the situation. But his dopey mother decided he would only have one parent from the start.

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Gunsnhalen said:

Yes, a lot of my musical heroes where not... the greatest of people some of them like

Ray Charles, Miles Davis, Axl Rose, James Brown, Ozzy, Eddie Van Halen, R. Kelly, George Michael, hell even Marvin a little bit.

Yet we are constantly reminded of these peoples faults, it's rare to go to a youtube video and not to hear people talk about Ray Charles drug use, Axl Rose being a psycho, Kells being a pedophile, George Michael being a gay pervert. Or Kanye West being a whiny asshole

But with Lennon, it's all hero worship... in the media and nothing else. Lennon has faults like those musicians listed above, and shouldn't be treated any more special. Just cause he helped & supported some great causes.

someone care to explain that?

FunkiestOne said:

Maybe he was enjoying f*cking some chicks and didn't want kids but Julian's mother went and had the baby anyway. That explains 99% of it, and blame her, not John Lennon. It's sad and Julian Lennon probably can't accept this but it's the obvious truth to anyone removed from the situation. But his dopey mother decided he would only have one parent from the start.

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john lennon was a flawed human being like the rest of us....could be very loving and very hurtful and was quite a complex man....i think julian was feeling quite angry the day this interview was filmed....i have saw him speak warmly about his dad as well in interviews...he just didnt see a lot of his dad at the end of the day...this was not all john's fault due to the demands of being a beatle and a worldwide icon...but i think john did know that he had let julian down and said as much in some interviews...

but john was also let down by his parents badly remember...his dad leaving him when he was fieve and his mother not being around much during his childhood...i think john was a decent human being who was flawed...

^ Julian is allowed to feel some type of way. Doesn't mean he don't love his father. You can tell he loves his music. He's not ashamed to look just like his father's twin (Sean looks more like Yoko by comparison). I think there's always gonna be an anger in there as well as the joy. It's almost like that other famous family and their relationship with their father. They felt some type of way about that person's parenting but still loved them. Same with the Lennons. But I still wished John and Julian had a better relationship than what they did have.

I don't doubt that his anger is real. My father didn't participate in my life when I was a kid so I can relate to what he's talking about. It's just a bit unintentionally funny to see him talking about all this stuff about not growing up rich and neglected by his famous father while he is lying on his stomach on a deckchair on a beach somewhere. A bit Spinal Tap-like even.

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novabrkr said:

I don't doubt that his anger is real. My father didn't participate in my life as a kid so I can relate to what he's talking about. It's just a bit unintentionally funny to see him talking about all this stuff about being poor and neglected by his famous father while he is lying on his stomach on a deckchair on a beach somewhere. A bit Spinal Tap-like even.

I mean, that just makes shit worse. Kids gonna talk shit because they think you rich. Hell I don't even think John was wealthy like that when Julian was attending school either. It was only later (after John died) that the wealth started to get into his bank account. Plus it ain't no walk in the park when people know you're a son of a celebrity, especially an uber-famous pop star!

Timmy84 said:

novabrkr said:

I don't doubt that his anger is real. My father didn't participate in my life as a kid so I can relate to what he's talking about. It's just a bit unintentionally funny to see him talking about all this stuff about being poor and neglected by his famous father while he is lying on his stomach on a deckchair on a beach somewhere. A bit Spinal Tap-like even.

I mean, that just makes shit worse. Kids gonna talk shit because they think you rich. Hell I don't even think John was wealthy like that when Julian was attending school either. It was only later (after John died) that the wealth started to get into his bank account. Plus it ain't no walk in the park when people know you're a son of a celebrity, especially an uber-famous pop star!

basically Julian has never really moaned about money, at times he spoke on it mainly because he was excluded, and he was sticking up for his mother and Lennon's family back in england, which people forget, Lennon has relatives other than just Yoko and to be honest for one person to take over was wrong, not sure if that was ever John's plan, though he had a will i dont think he knew he would die so young. Also when Julian went back to NYC after John's murder, literally the day after, the scene was still there, Julian had to walk through/over his fathers blood still on the street, one of Lennons business people told Julian straight out WATCH THE FINANACES, they knew then that this was gonna get ugly. Now say what you want, but i have Julian countless times NOT just on a beach like this clip there are about 20 others on talk shows, interviews, etc...behind the music, where he talks on it, and almost never is it money, its more material things like postcards HIS DAD wrote to HIM, now why joe schmo on the corner gets that an auction and Julian isnt offered it is just plain fucking wrong no matter how you slice and dice this, YOKO was wrong to not open this up to the family, Julian is most worthy since he is the first child, Julian and Sean now have equal cuts and also have a very small % of the publishing and licensing and moneys paid from all John's solo works. Which is something that Julian and Sean can transfer to their kids.

And very true about JOHN's money, it was greater after all the beatles stuff happend then while it was.

lastdecember said:

And very true about JOHN's money, it was greater after all the beatles stuff happend then while it was.

Brian Epstein was inexperienced in being a manager, and he got conned by people quite a bit. The Beatles made little if anything from the many items sold in their name back in the 1960's like dolls, wigs, games, etc. Before The Beatles, he just ran the Epstein family's record store. That was how he came to hear about the group.

Julian as timmy mentioned has said he loves his father music, and he said in a seperate interview he did have a few good moments with his father. I love John & Julians music a lot....

I still repect the shit out of John Lennon's music.... even with some of the contradictions...

I have to say though, Paul seems like the most ''normal'' Beatle

Besides marrying 1,000 times & the weed incident in the 80's. he never beat the shit out of muliple women, he admited he was wrong in not having a better post Beatles relationship with George & John. He didn't get into any weird religions, has always been good to his fans....

George got so invested in his relgion he from what Eric Clapton said pretty much gave Patty to him, Ringo tries to hard with that love & peace stuff. I think that is all an act

Gunsnhalen said:

Julian as timmy mentioned has said he loves his father music, and he said in a seperate interview he did have a few good moments with his father. I love John & Julians music a lot....

I still repect the shit out of John Lennon's music.... even with some of the contradictions...

I have to say though, Paul seems like the most ''normal'' Beatle

Besides marrying 1,000 times & the weed incident in the 80's. he never beat the shit out of muliple women, he admited he was wrong in not having a better post Beatles relationship with George & John. He didn't get into any weird religions, has always been good to his fans....

George got so invested in his relgion he from what Eric Clapton said pretty much gave Patty to him, Ringo tries to hard with that love & peace stuff. I think that is all an act

Well i think Julian was never given the time he should have had as an artist, but that happens with alot of talent. His mother said when he made the first album he never should have, despite it being a huge hit, it was a label cashing in on a LENNON again, julian was still coming to terms with his dad's death and who he was, i mean when julian hit it big he was 21 as a top selling artist, but then reality of the business came in, Julian NEVER should have recorded that second album so quick, he admits it was the worst thing ever, not the album just the timing. Then on "Mr Jordan" he was maturing but he was actually trying to NOT sound like John, he really hit his stride though with "Help Yourself" in 1991 though no one cared at that point, it was a strong record, "Saltwalter" was a song that NOW could be the "cool" enviromental song, back then that talk wasnt cool. His best move was to walk away, from the business though, go it alone, something his dad surely did and would have done if alive, 1998's "photograph smile" and hhis latest 2011's "Everything Changes" despite the huge gap in studio albums rival anything John did solo.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

I mean, that just makes shit worse. Kids gonna talk shit because they think you rich. Hell I don't even think John was wealthy like that when Julian was attending school either. It was only later (after John died) that the wealth started to get into his bank account. Plus it ain't no walk in the park when people know you're a son of a celebrity, especially an uber-famous pop star!

basically Julian has never really moaned about money, at times he spoke on it mainly because he was excluded, and he was sticking up for his mother and Lennon's family back in england, which people forget, Lennon has relatives other than just Yoko and to be honest for one person to take over was wrong, not sure if that was ever John's plan, though he had a will i dont think he knew he would die so young. Also when Julian went back to NYC after John's murder, literally the day after, the scene was still there, Julian had to walk through/over his fathers blood still on the street, one of Lennons business people told Julian straight out WATCH THE FINANACES, they knew then that this was gonna get ugly. Now say what you want, but i have Julian countless times NOT just on a beach like this clip there are about 20 others on talk shows, interviews, etc...behind the music, where he talks on it, and almost never is it money, its more material things like postcards HIS DAD wrote to HIM, now why joe schmo on the corner gets that an auction and Julian isnt offered it is just plain fucking wrong no matter how you slice and dice this, YOKO was wrong to not open this up to the family, Julian is most worthy since he is the first child, Julian and Sean now have equal cuts and also have a very small % of the publishing and licensing and moneys paid from all John's solo works. Which is something that Julian and Sean can transfer to their kids.

And very true about JOHN's money, it was greater after all the beatles stuff happend then while it was.

Yoko is a golddigger. She couldn't wait until John died to do what she did. Not saying she didn't love John but you can't tell me all those auctions for this and that was from the goodness of her heart. She couldn't give back the things that married to other folks John loved like his son, his ex, his relatives (not sure if he had siblings, I think he was an only child)...

^^John had half-sisters.

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

basically Julian has never really moaned about money, at times he spoke on it mainly because he was excluded, and he was sticking up for his mother and Lennon's family back in england, which people forget, Lennon has relatives other than just Yoko and to be honest for one person to take over was wrong, not sure if that was ever John's plan, though he had a will i dont think he knew he would die so young. Also when Julian went back to NYC after John's murder, literally the day after, the scene was still there, Julian had to walk through/over his fathers blood still on the street, one of Lennons business people told Julian straight out WATCH THE FINANACES, they knew then that this was gonna get ugly. Now say what you want, but i have Julian countless times NOT just on a beach like this clip there are about 20 others on talk shows, interviews, etc...behind the music, where he talks on it, and almost never is it money, its more material things like postcards HIS DAD wrote to HIM, now why joe schmo on the corner gets that an auction and Julian isnt offered it is just plain fucking wrong no matter how you slice and dice this, YOKO was wrong to not open this up to the family, Julian is most worthy since he is the first child, Julian and Sean now have equal cuts and also have a very small % of the publishing and licensing and moneys paid from all John's solo works. Which is something that Julian and Sean can transfer to their kids.

And very true about JOHN's money, it was greater after all the beatles stuff happend then while it was.

Yoko is a golddigger. She couldn't wait until John died to do what she did. Not saying she didn't love John but you can't tell me all those auctions for this and that was from the goodness of her heart. She couldn't give back the things that married to other folks John loved like his son, his ex, his relatives (not sure if he had siblings, I think he was an only child)...

I just never can get past that Julian goes to Beatles auctions and buys back alot of his dads very personal items, with his inheritance money, i mean i cant get around that.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Yoko is a golddigger. She couldn't wait until John died to do what she did. Not saying she didn't love John but you can't tell me all those auctions for this and that was from the goodness of her heart. She couldn't give back the things that married to other folks John loved like his son, his ex, his relatives (not sure if he had siblings, I think he was an only child)...

I just never can get past that Julian goes to Beatles auctions and buys back alot of his dads very personal items, with his inheritance money, i mean i cant get around that.

Sad shit, ain't it?

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I read somewhere (which means it may not be true) that Barry White said his father would have destroyed him had he been in his life. I had never heard of anyone saying this so it sticks with me to this day, although I read it many, many years ago.

I believe there are situations where not having your father in your life is actually better than having a father who's just not qualified or is unwilling to be a father in your life. Or do you guys believe any type of father (excluding pedophiles and abusers) is better than none?

I'm not defending John Lennon. But if Yoko was able to influence him to not be engaged in his son's life, it was probably a good thing that he really wasn't. What type of father would allow himself to be influenced in this way?

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Shaolin325 said:

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I read somewhere (which means it may not be true) that Barry White said his father would have destroyed him had he been in his life. I had never heard of anyone saying this so it sticks with me to this day, although I read it many, many years ago.

I believe there are situations where not having your father in your life is actually better than having a father who's just not qualified or is unwilling to be a father in your life. Or do you guys believe any type of father (excluding pedophiles and abusers) is better than none?

I'm not defending John Lennon. But if Yoko was able to influence him to not be engaged in his son's life, it was probably a good thing that he really wasn't. What type of father would allow himself to be influenced in this way?

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I wouldn't be surprised if that happened to Barry because his father left the family shortly after his brother was born. Barry of course became a more attentive father - obviously - than his father. Which is why his mother renamed him Barry White (his birth name was Barry Carter). John had a troubling relationship with his mother too (his mother wasn't real attentive and ironically they were bonding like John and Julian when she died when HE was 17. Ironically Julian was also 17 when his dad died, which is quite ironic). John claims Yoko didn't control him so I don't know about that but she sure controlled his bank account after he died.

I actually like Yoko's music to, but she was and probably still is a selfish, self centered moron. She acts all weird & crazy, but her shit stinks like everyone else, and she's a hateful bitch like a normal person to

Timmy84 said:

Shaolin325 said:

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I read somewhere (which means it may not be true) that Barry White said his father would have destroyed him had he been in his life. I had never heard of anyone saying this so it sticks with me to this day, although I read it many, many years ago.

I believe there are situations where not having your father in your life is actually better than having a father who's just not qualified or is unwilling to be a father in your life. Or do you guys believe any type of father (excluding pedophiles and abusers) is better than none?

I'm not defending John Lennon. But if Yoko was able to influence him to not be engaged in his son's life, it was probably a good thing that he really wasn't. What type of father would allow himself to be influenced in this way?

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I wouldn't be surprised if that happened to Barry because his father left the family shortly after his brother was born. Barry of course became a more attentive father - obviously - than his father. Which is why his mother renamed him Barry White (his birth name was Barry Carter). John had a troubling relationship with his mother too (his mother wasn't real attentive and ironically they were bonding like John and Julian when she died when HE was 17. Ironically Julian was also 17 when his dad died, which is quite ironic). John claims Yoko didn't control him so I don't know about that but she sure controlled his bank account after he died.

well the fact that Julian and Sean have great love and respect for each other makes everything else a wash. Julian says its not good but not bad between him and Yoko, he doesnt want to hurt her because that is Seans mom, and he loves sean too much, that too me shows a truly great human being! Hope his dad is proud of him, but again it took living life to learn all this, John was a kid when he had a kid, Julian was a kid when his dad died and all this crap happend, they are all just human beings, money dont change that shit.

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lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if that happened to Barry because his father left the family shortly after his brother was born. Barry of course became a more attentive father - obviously - than his father. Which is why his mother renamed him Barry White (his birth name was Barry Carter). John had a troubling relationship with his mother too (his mother wasn't real attentive and ironically they were bonding like John and Julian when she died when HE was 17. Ironically Julian was also 17 when his dad died, which is quite ironic). John claims Yoko didn't control him so I don't know about that but she sure controlled his bank account after he died.

well the fact that Julian and Sean have great love and respect for each other makes everything else a wash. Julian says its not good but not bad between him and Yoko, he doesnt want to hurt her because that is Seans mom, and he loves sean too much, that too me shows a truly great human being! Hope his dad is proud of him, but again it took living life to learn all this, John was a kid when he had a kid, Julian was a kid when his dad died and all this crap happend, they are all just human beings, money dont change that shit.

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Right and I respect that. I wouldn't disrespect my boy's mama either because I know better than that.

Timmy84 said:

That's odd. I was just watching this about an hour ago.

And it's pretty funny that the same man that wrote "All You Need is Love" and "Give Peace a Chance" would also be the one to verbally and emotionally abuse his first wife, abandon his eldest son and then the few contacts they did have were either awkward or confrontational (sources say John hit him for any shortcomings) and also beefed with the rest of the Beatles (mainly George Harrison and Paul McCartney) until nearly the moment he died.

I know not all icons are perfect but the way the media has made Lennon such a deity has become such that it's really becoming a sickness at this point.

That’s the case with most of them they showed a side to the public and behind closed doors they are nightmares. Smh

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

That's odd. I was just watching this about an hour ago.

And it's pretty funny that the same man that wrote "All You Need is Love" and "Give Peace a Chance" would also be the one to verbally and emotionally abuse his first wife, abandon his eldest son and then the few contacts they did have were either awkward or confrontational (sources say John hit him for any shortcomings) and also beefed with the rest of the Beatles (mainly George Harrison and Paul McCartney) until nearly the moment he died.

I know not all icons are perfect but the way the media has made Lennon such a deity has become such that it's really becoming a sickness at this point.

That’s the case with most of them they showed a side to the public and behind closed doors they are nightmares. Smh

It's a shame because you DO want your favorite artists to show the side similar to the public image but that's not always possible unfortunately.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

That’s the case with most of them they showed a side to the public and behind closed doors they are nightmares. Smh

It's a shame because you DO want your favorite artists to show the side similar to the public image but that's not always possible unfortunately.

I agree with you. I do wish that some of them are sincere but one of my goals for 2012 was not to get caught up lmao just focus on the music. Sometimes it’s hard but its best. It's only natural that when you become a fan of someone you want to know what you're getting yourself into. I stayed away from twitter mostly because that’s where they act up smh.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

It's a shame because you DO want your favorite artists to show the side similar to the public image but that's not always possible unfortunately.

I agree with you. I do wish that some of them are sincere but one of my goals for 2012 was not to get caught up lmao just focus on the music. Sometimes it’s hard but its best. It's only natural that when you become a fan of someone you want to know what you're getting yourself into. I stayed away from twitter mostly because that’s where they act up smh.

Twitter always bring the worst out of celebrities...

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

That’s the case with most of them they showed a side to the public and behind closed doors they are nightmares. Smh

It's a shame because you DO want your favorite artists to show the side similar to the public image but that's not always possible unfortunately.

i dont think John showed a side at all, i mean, frank sinatra sang love songs and was a womanizer, Freddie Mercury wrote a song or two about women and was gay, i mean as much as songs and the things that artists write about themselves, we tend to forget we all have different sides. INXS got blasted, mainly michael hutchence for the song "Beautiful Girl" making the video about girls and images not to let them own you, but Michael dated supermodels most of his life? so people jumped on that. Prince talked soulmates and dumped Mayte, so love and these things are elements of these people but we put them on that level because WE WANT it to be true in our own lives in some way. John Lennon was human, yes he made alot of mistakes, but he also did some pretty good things in his life, i think thats why Julian is at peace now with the man who was his father.

Gunsnhalen said:

I actually like Yoko's music to

I sure don't, horrible voice, & lucky for her she married John Lennon :disbelief

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

It's a shame because you DO want your favorite artists to show the side similar to the public image but that's not always possible unfortunately.

i dont think John showed a side at all, i mean, frank sinatra sang love songs and was a womanizer, Freddie Mercury wrote a song or two about women and was gay, i mean as much as songs and the things that artists write about themselves, we tend to forget we all have different sides. INXS got blasted, mainly michael hutchence for the song "Beautiful Girl" making the video about girls and images not to let them own you, but Michael dated supermodels most of his life? so people jumped on that. Prince talked soulmates and dumped Mayte, so love and these things are elements of these people but we put them on that level because WE WANT it to be true in our own lives in some way. John Lennon was human, yes he made alot of mistakes, but he also did some pretty good things in his life, i think thats why Julian is at peace now with the man who was his father.

I hear people say John was "real" or some shit lol I guess since he was quite blunt in his interviews and shit.

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

i dont think John showed a side at all, i mean, frank sinatra sang love songs and was a womanizer, Freddie Mercury wrote a song or two about women and was gay, i mean as much as songs and the things that artists write about themselves, we tend to forget we all have different sides. INXS got blasted, mainly michael hutchence for the song "Beautiful Girl" making the video about girls and images not to let them own you, but Michael dated supermodels most of his life? so people jumped on that. Prince talked soulmates and dumped Mayte, so love and these things are elements of these people but we put them on that level because WE WANT it to be true in our own lives in some way. John Lennon was human, yes he made alot of mistakes, but he also did some pretty good things in his life, i think thats why Julian is at peace now with the man who was his father.

I hear people say John was "real" or some shit lol I guess since he was quite blunt in his interviews and shit.

oh he is, and Julian is very much like that too, a recent interview when Julian was about to play his new song the interviewer asked Julian about playing together with the other beatles kids as a group, and Julian responded, "id rather be dead than do that". Also on the Behind the Music special in 1999 at the hieght of Julian being very very bitter, he said of Yoko "Shes raped and pillaged the lennon family for everything, what more does she want", he can be very very blunt as you see