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^^He left them professionally in '84 and moved out in '87/'88! Like any person eventually does... they move out of their parents house and some fuckers here are saying it was a mistake moving out of his parents house?!? And to those I say, shut the fuck up! Who the fuck are you to judge his life??

Besides, he hasn't isolated himself from his family, he kept them at an armslength and started his own life (which is also quite natural), that doesn't mean he shut them out totally.

And who cares about the fucking US?? It's not the center of the world! He was a bigger star on a worlwide level in '87, '91 and '95 than he'd ever been, playing on tours to 3 and 3.5 and 4.5 mio people respectively. So he did do something right.

bboy87 said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I'm so sick and tired of this family's never ending need for fucking attention. All of them are the saddest motherfuckers on the planet.

You should see the Debarge family

I only see El on BET tryna make a come back. I haven't seen or heard about the others in decades. The Jacksons are the only family I see who can't come to grips that they are washed up has beens that nobody give 2 shits about. From Katharine to Paris to Tito, all of them need their ass kicked and to have a fucking seat.

lowkey said:

nobody knows what really went on or what what or could have been ,we are all speculation

Exactly! So what's the point of people giving their little essays when all of it is speculation and no one knows what really went on!? The only thing that is save to say is, that the two allegations didn't help and pretty much influenced everything else. To say that there would have been no allegations had he stayed with his family professionally is total speculation and that one moves out of moms and dads house and leads a seperate life is pretty much a natural course of life.

PlayboyOriginal said:

bboy87 said:

You should see the Debarge family

I only see El on BET tryna make a come back. I haven't seen or heard about the others in decades. The Jacksons are the only family I see who can't come to grips that they are washed up has beens that nobody give 2 shits about. From Katharine to Paris to Tito, all of them need their ass kicked and to have a fucking seat.

anyway.....

So them talking about their addictions is looking for attention like this lame ass tour of a bunch of non singing jackasses? Are you serious? Janet and her D-List Nutrisystem endorsement, Katharine's MJ tribute in the UK, LaToya being on Celebrity Apprentice, Paris randomly appearing on Ellen to talk about nothing are all equal to The DeBarges finally sharing with America what led to their demise?

You Jackson stans are THE absolute WORST!!! I'm tired of yall no life having ass as much as I am of the Jackson clan. Just pathetic. Gerl bye!!

PlayboyOriginal said:

I'm tired of yall no life having ass as much as I am of the Jackson clan. Just pathetic. Gerl bye!!

Well! If you're tired off them, then why don't you get a life, get the fuck out of here and shut the fuck up? They annoy you, but still I see you posting in every Jackson related thread! It's really you that should get a life!

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PlayboyOriginal said:

So them talking about their addictions is looking for attention like this lame ass tour of a bunch of non singing jackasses? Are you serious? Janet and her D-List Nutrisystem endorsement, Katharine's MJ tribute in the UK, LaToya being on Celebrity Apprentice, Paris randomly appearing on Ellen to talk about nothing are all equal to The DeBarges finally sharing with America what led to their demise?

You Jackson stans are THE absolute WORST!!! I'm tired of yall no life having ass as much as I am of the Jackson clan. Just pathetic. Gerl bye!!

Who said that?

You said the Jacksons were sad muthafuckas, I responded saying "You should see the Debarge family" so I simply posted a video of their recent appearance on Dr. Drew

Damn, muthafuckas can't have a conversations or post a video without conflict

PlayboyOriginal said:

I'm so sick and tired of this family's never ending need for fucking attention. All of them are the saddest motherfuckers on the planet.

This clan is annoying me too, creepy family. They're just freaks of success, to use children MJ to get attention, because they themselves are not interesting to the public. Michael hid children from the public and the media, and now they are totally public personas.

It is never ends. Jacksons-generation 50-60's - it's only a small part of the family, but they have many children and grandchildren. Jackson clan is huge, so they will always be here ...
Interestingly, in one day they will grow an artist at the level of MJ or at least Janet?

They dream about it .. And they do not care, musically talented child or not.
Why they do not want to grow PhD or Nobel laureate ...? Jackson - the artist - it's so corny.

bboy87 said:

Damn, muthafuckas can't have a conversations or post a video without conflict

its just passion

I agree with lowkey and rdhull.

MJ isolated himself from everyone in his life who could call him out. Quincy Jones? When Jermaine released Word To The Badd many older fans were happy that someone finally expressed their feelings about Michael.

Word To The Badd good song just listened to it ..

CANUHELPME said:

I agree with lowkey and rdhull.

MJ isolated himself from everyone in his life who could call him out. Quincy Jones? When Jermaine released Word To The Badd many older fans were happy that someone finally expressed their feelings about Michael.

so jermaine's cowardly act was something to celebrate? feeding the lie that mj changed his shade on purpose, telling him he forgot where he came from when all the while that muthaeffer is laying up in his mother's house, living off of mj's dime with his mistress? acting as though mj owed it to the brothers to return to group, when he thought nothing of leaving the group himself to suit his own interests?

yeah, i can see mj running to jermaine to 'thank him' for that.

LiLi1992 said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I'm so sick and tired of this family's never ending need for fucking attention. All of them are the saddest motherfuckers on the planet.

This clan is annoying me too, creepy family. They're just freaks of success, to use children MJ to get attention, because they themselves are not interesting to the public. Michael hid children from the public and the media, and now they are totally public personas.

It is never ends. Jacksons-generation 50-60's - it's only a small part of the family, but they have many children and grandchildren. Jackson clan is huge, so they will always be here ...
Interestingly, in one day they will grow an artist at the level of MJ or at least Janet?

They dream about it .. And they do not care, musically talented child or not.
Why they do not want to grow PhD or Nobel laureate ...? Jackson - the artist - it's so corny.

well, not quite. i'm sure if the brothers' tour hits the states, they can count on lowkey, rdhull, and canuhelpme to be there to cheer them on.

lowkey said:

lazycrockett said:

Im not even a casual fan of MJ, so I don't have a dog in this race, but anyone can see that the family cared more bout the moneyand the fame than their son, or brother. All of them.

and the people he surrounded himself with cared about him? i dont care how much they loved his money i will never believe any of his relatives would have stood by while he had some doctor hooking him up to iv drips at night, or watch him bring strange families into his life so the kids can accuse him of sexual abuse, or watch him repeat the same dumb mistake and giving another kid/family the opportunity to accuse him of the same shit. we have no idea what went on behind the scenes with that family, but i know i saw them be there for him in his darkest hours even after mj supposedly had distanced himself and hadnt spoken to some of them in years.

you don't care how much they loved money, yet you turn around and try to assert that somehow in spite of that, they were the ones that would have "protected" mj from the other people who were also around for the coin?

let's look at some examples of that family love:

in 1993, the family flies to thailand to supposedly show support for him when he was first accused. underlying reason for the visit? get him to participate in that bullshit family honors show. even though they're standing right in front of him, they obviously don't see - don't care - that he's struggling with addiction. when mj reaches out, he reaches out to the one person he felt he could trust and it isn't his beloved mother. no, it's elizabeth taylor who does the right thing and gets him into rehab. mj goes b/c as he said in that taped message that he released, she is a true friend. meanwhile, even as he's recuperating, jermaine is continuing to feed the lie to the public that mj will be performing at the honors show.

in 2005, even as mj is on trial, randy tries to bully him into divesting himself of his one true asset, the atv catalog, and sides with the accountants who are trying to force him into bankruptcy. mj also puts him in charge of helping him run neverland only to see randy allow bills and employees to go unpaid, while he pockets mj's money.

in 2009, mj is introduced to thome thome by jermaine. thome was another crook, who even though he had been fired by mj had not returned $5 million of mj's money. the last i heard, he was still trying to get the executors to pay him off of a 'contract' that he claims mj signed giving him some ridiculous percentage of his money. i'm sure jermaine received some kickback for the introduction to his brother. at the same time, joe successfully bullies mj into signing a contract with leonard rowe, a man who has outstanding judgments against him from usher and r.kelly for his unethical business dealings with them. mj signs but quickly rescinds the contract, but the fact that he allowed joe to bully him in the first place speaks volume.

just in these examples alone, it's clear that mj was in contact with this family, so your argument that they wouldn't have stood by while x, y, and z were happening to mj is invalid. they were around. but like the others who were around him they just didn't give a shit.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

thanks I like the brothers and I'm glad they're going out and doing their thing, or at least 3 of them

There's 2 sides of the story...maybe 3...maybe 4. So there's reasons why things happened the way they did for Michael and the brothers but's kinda a whole other thing

While it's easy to say "Michael didn't need his brothers, he was the star, he should've left" or "The brothers kept him grounded, if he had stayed, he'd still be alive" but there's alot we don't know so I always try to be objective when it comes to the Jacksons....

....except for Joe

[img:$uid]http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6075/joexq.jpg[/img:$uid]

this man will always get the side eye from me

He got some nerve holding a gun. Seriously he's the only member of the Jackson family that I'll have no love for. I feel sorry for the children and Katherine but this fool... he gets no fucking love from me.

That is SO CRAZY wow at that cover.

patrick and kibbles

sitting in a tree

h.y.p.e.r. -ventalating

rdhull said:

patrick and kibbles

sitting in a tree

h.y.p.e.r. -ventalating

silly nursery rhymes b/c that's all you've got. lol!

PlayboyOriginal said:

So them talking about their addictions is looking for attention like this lame ass tour of a bunch of non singing jackasses? Are you serious? Janet and her D-List Nutrisystem endorsement, Katharine's MJ tribute in the UK, LaToya being on Celebrity Apprentice, Paris randomly appearing on Ellen to talk about nothing are all equal to The DeBarges finally sharing with America what led to their demise?

You Jackson stans are THE absolute WORST!!! I'm tired of yall no life having ass as much as I am of the Jackson clan. Just pathetic. Gerl bye!!

damn you seem mad. you dont have to support the tour if you dont want, janet's commercial is on tv all the time so i dont understand what you mean by D-list, trump and ellen must have wanted latoya and paris on their shows. i dont see no stanning going on in this thread all i see is a very angry poster for whatever reason. we all heard the debarge story before, they are not new to this, they have been drug addicts for a couple decades. you call the jacksons washed up yet you pointed out that they are still being asked to do things in the industry.

CANUHELPME said:

I agree with lowkey and rdhull.

MJ isolated himself from everyone in his life who could call him out. Quincy Jones? When Jermaine released Word To The Badd many older fans were happy that someone finally expressed their feelings about Michael.

When did Michael isolate himself from Quincy? If I recall, he trusted Quincy more than his own father and remained close until the late 90s

and Jermaine's explanation Word To The Badd. I can see why and how LaFace convinced him to do the track. Still, you don't make a diss track about your own brother.

Especially when you're living in his house with your baby momma and kids rent free

[img:$uid]http://i41.tinypic.com/25kkj08.jpg[/img:$uid]

videos from the Tokyo show

who's next to ride MJ's corpse dick?

bboy87 said:

babybugz said:

Maybe or maybe not. I think Michael in general should have surrounded himself with better people but what’s done is done sadly. It’s just a big what if *shrugs*

THIS, not to mention the family is surrounded by shady folks taking advantage of them too

and again, Jermaine and Randy aren't involved. What exactly are they doing? I know Randy seems to have an issue (he refused to take part in the reality show, Cardiff and Tokyo tribute shows) going on and Jermaine is......being Jermaine

Is Randy still posting cryptic messages on his twitter?

kibbles said:

rdhull said:

patrick and kibbles

sitting in a tree

h.y.p.e.r. -ventalating

silly nursery rhymes b/c that's all you've got. lol!

Yeah! Pretty juvenile, but pretty common when people run out of real arguments!

The Jacksons obviously have issues, every single one of them. And in away I can understand why Michael distance himself from them. However, I do believe being around his family did keep him GROUNDED to a certain extent. Michael free-fall into la-la land started in earnest when he completely distance himself from his family.

And lets face it, even musically MJ best years were when he was still around his family. I still believe his highlights musically were between 1978 to 1982, when year after year he released classic album after classic album with his brothers and solo. When he stopped completely working with his brothers he practically only did 3.5 albums in the last 20 years of his life, and quite personally I do not think Bad, Dangerous and History were his best work. Michael actually musical legacy rest mainly on the era of 1969 to 1984. If his legacy rested on the last 20 years of his life, you would get very little music, but lots of scandals.

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bboy87 said:

rdhull said:

You are a good person.

thanks I like the brothers and I'm glad they're going out and doing their thing, or at least 3 of them

There's 2 sides of the story...maybe 3...maybe 4. So there's reasons why things happened the way they did for Michael and the brothers but's kinda a whole other thing

While it's easy to say "Michael didn't need his brothers, he was the star, he should've left" or "The brothers kept him grounded, if he had stayed, he'd still be alive" but there's alot we don't know so I always try to be objective when it comes to the Jacksons....

....except for Joe

[img:$uid]http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6075/joexq.jpg[/img:$uid]

this man will always get the side eye from me

Is this really the official cover? Has anyone seen the trailor?

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whatsgoingon said:

The Jacksons obviously have issues, every single one of them. And in away I can understand why Michael distance himself from them. However, I do believe being around his family did keep him GROUNDED to a certain extent. Michael free-fall into la-la land started in earnest when he completely distance himself from his family.

And lets face it, even musically MJ best years were when he was still around his family. I still believe his highlights musically were between 1978 to 1982, when year after year he released classic album after classic album with his brothers and solo. When he stopped completely working with his brothers he practically only did 3.5 albums in the last 20 years of his life, and quite personally I do not think Bad, Dangerous and History were his best work. Michael actually musical legacy rest mainly on the era of 1969 to 1984. If his legacy rested on the last 20 years of his life, you would get very little music, but lots of scandals.

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BS! Many people only really got into Michael during his Bad, Dangerous and HIStory albums! Those where his most successful albums. So to exempt those from his legacy just shows what fools some people are!

And after releasing albums year after year for 15 years, it was just within his rights to take it a little bit slower and it wasn't like he just sat around doing nothing! He released Bad in 87 and was touring from 87 to 91. He released Dangerous in '91 and was touring '92 and '93 and he released HIStory in '95 and was promoting and touring HIStory from '95 to '97. And as a young father he clearly had other priorities after that! So stop making up your own versions of things! The period '82 to '97 was just as important than the one before!

And like someone pointed out before, he didn't completly distance himself.

PatrickS77 said:

kibbles said:

silly nursery rhymes b/c that's all you've got. lol!

Yeah! Pretty juvenile, but pretty common when people run out of real arguments!

Whats juvenile is people state their opinions in a mannered way and you contiunue to keep it going running behind each sensible post jumping up n down as if you are hyperventalating against opinions..like a e-chicken little

PatrickS77 said:

whatsgoingon said:

The Jacksons obviously have issues, every single one of them. And in away I can understand why Michael distance himself from them. However, I do believe being around his family did keep him GROUNDED to a certain extent. Michael free-fall into la-la land started in earnest when he completely distance himself from his family.

And lets face it, even musically MJ best years were when he was still around his family. I still believe his highlights musically were between 1978 to 1982, when year after year he released classic album after classic album with his brothers and solo. When he stopped completely working with his brothers he practically only did 3.5 albums in the last 20 years of his life, and quite personally I do not think Bad, Dangerous and History were his best work. Michael actually musical legacy rest mainly on the era of 1969 to 1984. If his legacy rested on the last 20 years of his life, you would get very little music, but lots of scandals.

[Edited 12/31/11 23:55pm]

BS! Many people only really got into Michael during his Bad, Dangerous and HIStory albums! Those where his most successful albums. So to exempt those from his legacy just shows what fools some people are!

And after releasing albums year after year for 15 years, it was just within his rights to take it a little bit slower and it wasn't like he just sat around doing nothing! He released Bad in 87 and was touring from 87 to 91. He released Dangerous in '91 and was touring '92 and '93 and he released HIStory in '95 and was promoting and touring HIStory from '95 to '97. And as a young father he clearly had other priorities after that! So stop making up your own versions of things! The period '82 to '97 was just as important than the one before!

And like someone pointed out before, he didn't completly distance himself.

Whatever.... His lack of output musically coincides with the controversies and scandals. He put out more music and hadrdly had any scandals or controversies in the first 15 yrs of his career, when he was still tied closely to his brothers. That in itself tells its own story. Completely by himself he descends completely into la-la land & he becomes know as Wacko Jacko, rightly or wrongly.

The shade is thick in here...