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Reply #30 posted 12/20/11 6:15am

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OH SNAP: Rihanna Claps Back At Racist Dutch Magazine Editor For "N*GGAB*TCH" CommentDec 20 | by Natasha

Y'all knew it was only a matter of time before Rihanna responded to the pure f*ckery that is the recent Dutch magazine article calling her and generally all black women a "N*GGAB*TCH." And she didn't disappoint. Check out the "We Found Love" singer's words to the unwise inside.... When Dutch magazine editor, Eva Kroes, allowed for her Jackie magazine to print an article with one of the most disrespectful titles possible in reference black women, she must have known she would catch global backlash. And she did. So since she used singer Rihanna as her basis for the disrespectful terminology, which she apologized for later and ignorantly said it was meant as a "joke," Rihanna took it upon herself to respond.

She tweeted:

@evajackie I hope u can read english, because your magazine is a poor representation of the evolution of human rights! I find you disrespectful, and rather desperate!! You ran out of legit, civilized information to print! There are 1000's of Dutch girls who would love to be recognized for their contributions to your country, you could have given them an article. Instead, u paid to print one degrading an entire race! That's your contribution to this world! To encourage segregation, to mislead the future leaders to act in the past! You put two words together,with the intent of abasement, that made no sense..."***** BITCH"?!....

Well with all respect, on behalf of my race, here are my two words for you...FUCK YOU!!!

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[Edited 12/20/11 6:17am]

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Reply #31 posted 12/20/11 7:01am

Unholyalliance

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I saw worse and on a far more regular basis in my years in the US.

Umm..wasn't there a racially related riot in England just this year?

Just sayin'.

[Edited 12/20/11 7:03am]

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Reply #32 posted 12/20/11 7:09am

Identity

Damn! confused

[Edited 12/20/11 7:14am]

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Reply #33 posted 12/20/11 7:27am

Mong

Unholyalliance said:

Mong said:

I saw worse and on a far more regular basis in my years in the US.

Umm..wasn't there a racially related riot in England just this year?

Just sayin'.

[Edited 12/20/11 7:03am]

Some of you need to educate yourselves so badly.

A mixed race man was shot and killed by police in Tottenham. There was a demonstration about the police doing this as they claimed that he had fired the first shot - it was later established that he hadn't even shot at the police at all. What was a peaceful protest later turned into missiles being thrown at police cars and the cars being set alight. The police just stood back and let it happen, possibly wary of the police being accused of being racist by getting heavy handed in a predominantly black area. Consequently, buses were set alight, buildings and people's homes were burnt down, shops were looted...and the police did sod all, probably not helped by being outnumbered. This gave people the green light to loot stores in other areas, no doubt thinking if the police aren't doing anything about it, why not? And so ensued 4 days of a lawless society in London mainly.

I saw black, white, asian people looting. Not a race thing. It may have been borne out of legitimate protest at an immoral police force (they really are bastards), but it was nothing more than opportunistic little pricks on their school/college holiday running wild.

But i know how you Americans like to make everything out in the UK to be racially related. Just sayin'.

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Reply #34 posted 12/20/11 8:54am

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Rihanna encounters some racist asshole who hates blacks so she brings her "nigga" out. I'm not even sure what that means, but the guy probably had all of his racist notions confirmed when she pulled her "nigga" out. And then she's upset when a magazine refers to her as a niggabitch "who displays it proudly." She seemed proud on Twitter! Does she find the word nigga offensive or not and is she one??

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Reply #35 posted 12/20/11 11:28am

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Identity said:

Damn! confused

[Edited 12/20/11 7:14am]

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Reply #36 posted 12/20/11 11:41am

Unholyalliance

Mong said:

I saw black, white, asian people looting. Not a race thing.

So...if it was just, for example, black people looting it would be a race thing?

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Reply #37 posted 12/20/11 12:54pm

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Unholyalliance said:

Mong said:

I saw black, white, asian people looting. Not a race thing.

So...if it was just, for example, black people looting it would be a race thing?

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Reply #38 posted 12/20/11 1:12pm

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MidniteMagnet said:

Rihanna encounters some racist asshole who hates blacks so she brings her "nigga" out. I'm not even sure what that means, but the guy probably had all of his racist notions confirmed when she pulled her "nigga" out. And then she's upset when a magazine refers to her as a niggabitch "who displays it proudly." She seemed proud on Twitter! Does she find the word nigga offensive or not and is she one??

I'm pretty sure Rihanna interpreted the 'niggab**ch' in a Dutch magazine not the way it was intended. The article is for mothers faced with young daughters who want to dress just like Rihanna (Or Beyonce or any of the other one in a dozen marketing stars) and call themselves bitches. These little girls copy style and words from their favorite singers. And mothers need to find a way to negotiate with their kids how to dress in that style in the winter and not get yelled at by their children as they learn from these videoclips. This artical was sarcastically refering to those negotiations with your daughter. Little kids who have no idea about the American racial issues, will yell out terms as bitch and niggabitch. I don't understand why it is suddenly shocking that these terms now are commonly used. Not only by Afro American singers, but also in the general media.

Kids are adopting the "cool Afro American style" displayed in hiphop video clips and dressing style of some female Afro American artists in video's, along with the lyrics they sing. The music is marketed at little kids. In Holland Beyonce, Rihanna etcetera generally are considered girls that are run by the marketing machines.

Fortunately, when kids grow up, they get interested in musicians with their own style and ideas. They will be sick of having to adore an empty shell like Beyonce. They will look for musicians who connect with their fans in stead of just want to be adored by them. Musicians who actuallly have ideas of their own about their music and style. Females like Erikah, Pink and Dutch singers as Caro Emerald, Anouk, Glennis Grace or Nina have an older fanbase.

However, little girls love the fake Disney style and Beyonce and Rihanna are examples of that. I like Rihannas voice and sexy songs. However, I do think she is making money by making music for little kids. When she stops making music by a format and develops her own identity, she might be appealing to older girls. Then she will not be mentioned in an article directed at moms on how to deal with your 8 year old who is copying you and wants to go out in extremely short dresses and use that kind of language. And when there is a sarcastic article about that, and she is playing the race card, I doubt if she understands what kind of impact she has on little kids that try to be as 'filthy' as her.

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Reply #39 posted 12/20/11 1:20pm

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dJJ said:

MidniteMagnet said:

Rihanna encounters some racist asshole who hates blacks so she brings her "nigga" out. I'm not even sure what that means, but the guy probably had all of his racist notions confirmed when she pulled her "nigga" out. And then she's upset when a magazine refers to her as a niggabitch "who displays it proudly." She seemed proud on Twitter! Does she find the word nigga offensive or not and is she one??

I'm pretty sure Rihanna interpreted the 'niggab**ch' in a Dutch magazine not the way it was intended. The article is for mothers faced with young daughters who want to dress just like Rihanna (Or Beyonce or any of the other one in a dozen marketing stars) and call themselves bitches. These little girls copy style and words from their favorite singers. And mothers need to find a way to negotiate with their kids how to dress in that style in the winter and not get yelled at by their children as they learn from these videoclips. This artical was sarcastically refering to those negotiations with your daughter. Little kids who have no idea about the American racial issues, will yell out terms as bitch and niggabitch. I don't understand why it is suddenly shocking that these terms now are commonly used. Not only by Afro American singers, but also in the general media.

Kids are adopting the "cool Afro American style" displayed in hiphop video clips and dressing style of some female Afro American artists in video's, along with the lyrics they sing. The music is marketed at little kids. In Holland Beyonce, Rihanna etcetera generally are considered girls that are run by the marketing machines.

Fortunately, when kids grow up, they get interested in musicians with their own style and ideas. They will be sick of having to adore an empty shell like Beyonce. They will look for musicians who connect with their fans in stead of just want to be adored by them. Musicians who actuallly have ideas of their own about their music and style. Females like Erikah, Pink and Dutch singers as Caro Emerald, Anouk, Glennis Grace or Nina have an older fanbase.

However, little girls love the fake Disney style and Beyonce and Rihanna are examples of that. I like Rihannas voice and sexy songs. However, I do think she is making money by making music for little kids. When she stops making music by a format and develops her own identity, she might be appealing to older girls. Then she will not be mentioned in an article directed at moms on how to deal with your 8 year old who is copying you and wants to go out in extremely short dresses and use that kind of language. And when there is a sarcastic article about that, and she is playing the race card, I doubt if she understands what kind of impact she has on little kids that try to be as 'filthy' as her.

To be honest I dont think she cares the same with the rest of the artists you mentioned. Its about MONEY but if you look at her age for example she is only 23 so she is kind of a kid herself and has alot of growing up to do. Shes a puppet and just does what she is being told to do but it is sad how the the industry pushes trashy images out and glorifies overly sex images when their are young girls/children that consider these pop figures as role models. And then you have these young men who look at those images thinking that ALL girls or young women are suppose to wear clothes like that or look like that...

Thats when the responsibility of the parent comes in

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Reply #40 posted 12/20/11 1:34pm

Mong

Unholyalliance said:

Mong said:

I saw black, white, asian people looting. Not a race thing.

So...if it was just, for example, black people looting it would be a race thing?

What the hell are you on about? I have detailed the racial make up of those in the disturbances in London. Just stating it's not one race reacting against another race.

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Reply #41 posted 12/20/11 1:37pm

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dJJ said:

MidniteMagnet said:

Rihanna encounters some racist asshole who hates blacks so she brings her "nigga" out. I'm not even sure what that means, but the guy probably had all of his racist notions confirmed when she pulled her "nigga" out. And then she's upset when a magazine refers to her as a niggabitch "who displays it proudly." She seemed proud on Twitter! Does she find the word nigga offensive or not and is she one??

I'm pretty sure Rihanna interpreted the 'niggab**ch' in a Dutch magazine not the way it was intended. The article is for mothers faced with young daughters who want to dress just like Rihanna (Or Beyonce or any of the other one in a dozen marketing stars) and call themselves bitches. These little girls copy style and words from their favorite singers. And mothers need to find a way to negotiate with their kids how to dress in that style in the winter and not get yelled at by their children as they learn from these videoclips. This artical was sarcastically refering to those negotiations with your daughter. Little kids who have no idea about the American racial issues, will yell out terms as bitch and niggabitch. I don't understand why it is suddenly shocking that these terms now are commonly used. Not only by Afro American singers, but also in the general media.

Kids are adopting the "cool Afro American style" displayed in hiphop video clips and dressing style of some female Afro American artists in video's, along with the lyrics they sing. The music is marketed at little kids. In Holland Beyonce, Rihanna etcetera generally are considered girls that are run by the marketing machines.

Fortunately, when kids grow up, they get interested in musicians with their own style and ideas. They will be sick of having to adore an empty shell like Beyonce. They will look for musicians who connect with their fans in stead of just want to be adored by them. Musicians who actuallly have ideas of their own about their music and style. Females like Erikah, Pink and Dutch singers as Caro Emerald, Anouk, Glennis Grace or Nina have an older fanbase.

However, little girls love the fake Disney style and Beyonce and Rihanna are examples of that. I like Rihannas voice and sexy songs. However, I do think she is making money by making music for little kids. When she stops making music by a format and develops her own identity, she might be appealing to older girls. Then she will not be mentioned in an article directed at moms on how to deal with your 8 year old who is copying you and wants to go out in extremely short dresses and use that kind of language. And when there is a sarcastic article about that, and she is playing the race card, I doubt if she understands what kind of impact she has on little kids that try to be as 'filthy' as her.

Your post had me completely SMH. I admit that I do not closely follow any of these artists. However, I am not aware of any of them referring to themselves or black women as "nigga bitches." Those two words together form one of the most derogatory racial slurs ever used to refer to black women. There was no excuse for the article to use that term to refer to Rihanna (whom I personally could care less about).

Black female artists are not the only ones parading around half-naked (or 3/4 naked) in videos. Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, Britney, etc. wear comparable clothing. Yet, the article did not feature either of these women with the derogatory term "cracka bitch."

As a member of the journalism community, I think the editor of this publication is a joke. This should have never made it to print.

Additionally, I am sick of Europeans feigning innocence or naivety when it comes to racism against blacks/people of African descent. The Dutch, English, French, Spanish and Portuguese have a history of racism. They were some of the main contributors to the distorted notions created, propagated and still held about black people throughout the world. This dates back centuries and continues today. Many of these societies today are as xenophobic as they come. If you are not willing to completely assimilate into their dominant culture, you face discrimination. So, the "there is nothing racial behind it" excuse is also a joke.

Finally, I am tired of hearing the justification that "black people refer to themselves that way" as a justification for whites in any country to use what is still an offensive term. Neither Rappers/singers nor the lemmings who follow them represent the whole of the black race. Even if they did people within a group have the right to refer to themselves any way they want without people outside that group regulating it or “wanting in on it” - no matter how ridiculous it is.

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Reply #42 posted 12/20/11 1:38pm

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Jackie Mag Editor Eva Hoeke Quits Following Rihanna ‘Niggabitch’ Debacle

December 20, 2011 | Parlour Fam

Sometimes a joke … is not a joke. Sadly, Eva Hoeke (at left), Editor-In-Chief of Dutch magazine Jackie learned this the hard way in the past 36 hours when she issued the most non-apology-apology for her publication’s decision to refer to Rihanna as a “niggabitch” in their latest issue. After we reported the rundown, Rihanna issued her own response directly to Eva via Twitter that ended with “Fuck You.” Well, it seems that Eva has had it up to here with the mess that her own niggabitchness has created, so she’s decided to quit her job as editor. We got our hands on the press release, here is a translation: Read the rest

Eva Hoeke Quits as Editor-in-Chief of Jackie

Following a recent publication in Jackie magazine, issue 49, a worldwide outcry arose over an article on page 45 entitled “De Niggabitch”, which refers to Rihanna and her style of dress. This word is used in America as slang.

Throughout the various social media there has been an emotional response to this choice of words, as published in Jackie. As a first reaction to this editor-in-chief Eva Hoeke said via Twitter that the choice of words was meant as a joke and offered an apology to anyone who felt offended. This reaction cause further consternation, as Hoeke herself also referred to the term elsewhere in the magazine. In a second reaction through Twitter, Hoeke came to the following conclusion: ‘1. Don’t publish bad jokes in the magazine 2. Don’t pretend as if a bad joke is good. Sorry guys. My bad.’ The response on social media now took on an international character. In a third reaction Hoeke even offered to rectify in the next issue of Jackie. This morning Rihanna response on the article through Twitter. She was furious over the use of the word ‘niggabitch’ and ended her message with ‘Fuck you Eva’. Through social media Hoeke was taunted and threatened in various ways.

Following these events she consulted with publisher Yves Gijrath of GMG. Together they came to the following joint conclusion: In the interest of Jackie Magazine and all involved she will leave her function as editor-in-chief effective immediately. Hoeke gives the following comment:

“I realize that my first reaction through Twitter, in which I indicated that it was a joke, has been an incomplete description of what me, and also the author of the article, meant. The term ‘niggabitch’ came from America and we solely used it to describe a style of dress. Because of the enormous pressure through social media I was tempted to promise amendment regarding the language in future issues of Jackie. Apart from that I also offered an rectification. I have now come to the conclusion that rectification is not the right solution. I regret that I have taken a stand too quickly regarding an article in Jackie — which moreover had no racial motive at its basis. Through the course of events, me and the publisher have concluded that because my credibility is now affected, it is better for all parties if I quit my function as editor-in-chief effective immediately. After putting my heart and soul into for Jackie for eight years, I realize that these errors although not intented maliciously are enough reason for leaving.”

Publisher Yves Gijrath regrets the state of affairs and praises Hoeke’s attitude, who primarily chooses for the credibility of the title, which – as she realizes herself – would have been damaged had she stayed. According to Gijrath there’s no doubt about the intentions and qualities of Eva Hoeke, however he does think this joint decision is the correct one. Hoeke concludes:

“I should have counted to ten before taking unnuanced stands through social media channels. Through this my credibility has been hurt and that neither fits the role of an editor-in-chief, nor Jackie Magazine. Jackie Magazine will invite Rihanna to share her feelings and thoughts on the article in the next issue.”

Well there it is folks. Offensive article runs. Editor in Chief offers a half-apology. Artist responds. Editor in Chief quits. I wonder if the response that this ignited globally will make a difference in how issues like this are handled in the future or if Hoeke’s resignation is simply a temporary solution to a deep-rooted problem.

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Reply #43 posted 12/20/11 1:44pm

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I agree she is only 23 and still needs to grow up. However, she does take the money as an adult and sings about adult play. Then, why not be hold accountable as an adult?

It seems as if Rihanna is a kid who wants to be just like the big stars now. Coming an hour late for her concerts and showing up with an attitude copied from Snoop Doggy Dog/ Jay-Z etc. However, I hope she understands that for example in Amsterdam people are pretty fed up with Snoop his 'star' behavior and I just hope for Rihanna that she is not wrecking her career right now, by just doing what the marketing people are saying. And believing herself that she doesn't need to comply to any social (or just polite) norms, just because she is a 'star'.

She only picked up on the racist part of the article. Not the sarcastic undertone of the article about what mothers have to deal with, when faced with little 8-year old Rihanna fans who say they want to be a niggabitch and dress like one.

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Reply #44 posted 12/20/11 1:46pm

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OOHH MY GODD. dead

In an article published in the latest issue of Dutch fashion magazine Jackie, the magazine offers a little advice on how to dress like Rihanna without looking like the “ultimate n*ggerbitch.” That’s right. No typo there. Check out the full English translation below:

“She has street cred, she has a ghetto ass and she has a golden throat. Rihanna, the good girl gone bad, is the ultimate n***abitch and displays that gladly, and for her that means: what’s on can come off. If that means she’ll be on stage half naked, then so be it. But Dutch winters aren’t like Jamaican ones, so pick a clothing style in which your daughter can resist minus ten. No to the big sunglasses and the pornheels, and yes to the tiger print, pink shizzle and everything that glitters. Now let’s hope she won’t beat anybody up at daycare.”

neutral neutral neutral neutral

Lawd the writer of that article. Not surprised. This is what happens when people get their cultural education out of a cereal box. Total ignorance at its highest.

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Reply #45 posted 12/20/11 2:27pm

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bellanoche said:

dJJ said:

I'm pretty sure Rihanna interpreted the 'niggab**ch' in a Dutch magazine not the way it was intended. The article is for mothers faced with young daughters who want to dress just like Rihanna (Or Beyonce or any of the other one in a dozen marketing stars) and call themselves bitches. These little girls copy style and words from their favorite singers. And mothers need to find a way to negotiate with their kids how to dress in that style in the winter and not get yelled at by their children as they learn from these videoclips. This artical was sarcastically refering to those negotiations with your daughter. Little kids who have no idea about the American racial issues, will yell out terms as bitch and niggabitch. I don't understand why it is suddenly shocking that these terms now are commonly used. Not only by Afro American singers, but also in the general media.

Kids are adopting the "cool Afro American style" displayed in hiphop video clips and dressing style of some female Afro American artists in video's, along with the lyrics they sing. The music is marketed at little kids. In Holland Beyonce, Rihanna etcetera generally are considered girls that are run by the marketing machines.

Fortunately, when kids grow up, they get interested in musicians with their own style and ideas. They will be sick of having to adore an empty shell like Beyonce. They will look for musicians who connect with their fans in stead of just want to be adored by them. Musicians who actuallly have ideas of their own about their music and style. Females like Erikah, Pink and Dutch singers as Caro Emerald, Anouk, Glennis Grace or Nina have an older fanbase.

However, little girls love the fake Disney style and Beyonce and Rihanna are examples of that. I like Rihannas voice and sexy songs. However, I do think she is making money by making music for little kids. When she stops making music by a format and develops her own identity, she might be appealing to older girls. Then she will not be mentioned in an article directed at moms on how to deal with your 8 year old who is copying you and wants to go out in extremely short dresses and use that kind of language. And when there is a sarcastic article about that, and she is playing the race card, I doubt if she understands what kind of impact she has on little kids that try to be as 'filthy' as her.

Your post had me completely SMH. I admit that I do not closely follow any of these artists. However, I am not aware of any of them referring to themselves or black women as "nigga bitches." Those two words together form one of the most derogatory racial slurs ever used to refer to black women. There was no excuse for the article to use that term to refer to Rihanna (whom I personally could care less about).

Black female artists are not the only ones parading around half-naked (or 3/4 naked) in videos. Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, Britney, etc. wear comparable clothing. Yet, the article did not feature either of these women with the derogatory term "cracka bitch."

As a member of the journalism community, I think the editor of this publication is a joke. This should have never made it to print.

Additionally, I am sick of Europeans feigning innocence or naivety when it comes to racism against blacks/people of African descent. The Dutch, English, French, Spanish and Portuguese have a history of racism. They were some of the main contributors to the distorted notions created, propagated and still held about black people throughout the world. This dates back centuries and continues today. Many of these societies today are as xenophobic as they come. If you are not willing to completely assimilate into their dominant culture, you face discrimination. So, the "there is nothing racial behind it" excuse is also a joke.

Finally, I am tired of hearing the justification that "black people refer to themselves that way" as a justification for whites in any country to use what is still an offensive term. Neither Rappers/singers nor the lemmings who follow them represent the whole of the black race. Even if they did people within a group have the right to refer to themselves any way they want without people outside that group regulating it or “wanting in on it” - no matter how ridiculous it is.

I agree with you that there is a lot of racial ignorance in Holland. And of course the editor has rightly so apologised. She should publish an article about the racial ignorance in the media in Holland imo. In that way she could turn the incident into a wake up call for not only her, but many 'ignorant' white people.

This year there has been a series on national tv about Holland and their history of slavery. From that series a lot of discussions have evolved and I think that is the only way to get to a better understanding and less ignorance. These kind of tv series and debates are needed and fortunately get funded by the government.

The term nigga bitches is only known over here by the lyrics and video's of Afro American musicans. Over here kids and adults have not the same association to these words as in America. And I doubt if they even realize that it is a derogatory racial slur ever used to refer to black women. They think it's cool because that's what they have heared in American music, movies, music clips etcetera. How else do you think young Dutch girls heard these kind of terminology?

At this moment Rihanna is popular. When Britney was popular and little girls copied her, she was joked about a lot in the media here too. The jokes about Britney were about her being a stereotype of Blond Southern girl. Therefore not being very smart. She has never been taken serious as a real musician, but for the kids channels as MTV and back then TMF.

Also, I think Rihanna actually is being a great role model by responding to this Dutch editor.

I'm not saying there is no such thing as racism or ignorance. Especially the last decade Europe became very xenophobic and I am still shocked about the many votes for the Dutch right wing and imo racist political parties.

I do think that the most famous bling couple Jay-Z & Beyonce and other African American stars pose a very materialistic identity and convey a female image being all about the outside and looks. And not about love or care about the content of their profession. So, my response is not claiming that it's only the fault of the the Afro-American stars. I do think that they'r videos and music create a culture that is very female unfriendly. Females seem to only exist to be as perfect as they can be, so they elevate the status of their man. And they have to be very sexy and convey they allways want unlimited sex, because apparently that is what men want from their woman in video clips.

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Reply #46 posted 12/20/11 2:35pm

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dJJ said:

I agree she is only 23 and still needs to grow up. However, she does take the money as an adult and sings about adult play. Then, why not be hold accountable as an adult?

It seems as if Rihanna is a kid who wants to be just like the big stars now. Coming an hour late for her concerts and showing up with an attitude copied from Snoop Doggy Dog/ Jay-Z etc. However, I hope she understands that for example in Amsterdam people are pretty fed up with Snoop his 'star' behavior and I just hope for Rihanna that she is not wrecking her career right now, by just doing what the marketing people are saying. And believing herself that she doesn't need to comply to any social (or just polite) norms, just because she is a 'star'.

She only picked up on the racist part of the article. Not the sarcastic undertone of the article about what mothers have to deal with, when faced with little 8-year old Rihanna fans who say they want to be a niggabitch and dress like one.

What the hell this has to do with her being called a niggabitch?

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Reply #47 posted 12/20/11 2:46pm

dJJ

PoppyBros said:

dJJ said:

I agree she is only 23 and still needs to grow up. However, she does take the money as an adult and sings about adult play. Then, why not be hold accountable as an adult?

It seems as if Rihanna is a kid who wants to be just like the big stars now. Coming an hour late for her concerts and showing up with an attitude copied from Snoop Doggy Dog/ Jay-Z etc. However, I hope she understands that for example in Amsterdam people are pretty fed up with Snoop his 'star' behavior and I just hope for Rihanna that she is not wrecking her career right now, by just doing what the marketing people are saying. And believing herself that she doesn't need to comply to any social (or just polite) norms, just because she is a 'star'.

She only picked up on the racist part of the article. Not the sarcastic undertone of the article about what mothers have to deal with, when faced with little 8-year old Rihanna fans who say they want to be a niggabitch and dress like one.

What the hell this has to do with her being called a niggabitch?

It was a response to mjscarousel:

"To be honest I dont think she cares the same with the rest of the artists you mentioned. Its about MONEY but if you look at her age for example she is only 23 so she is kind of a kid herself and has alot of growing up to do. Shes a puppet and just does what she is being told to do but it is sad how the the industry pushes trashy images out and glorifies overly sex images when their are young girls/children that consider these pop figures as role models. And then you have these young men who look at those images thinking that ALL girls or young women are suppose to wear clothes like that or look like that...

Thats when the responsibility of the parent comes in"

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Reply #48 posted 12/20/11 3:01pm

dJJ

PoppyBros said:

dJJ said:

I agree she is only 23 and still needs to grow up. However, she does take the money as an adult and sings about adult play. Then, why not be hold accountable as an adult?

It seems as if Rihanna is a kid who wants to be just like the big stars now. Coming an hour late for her concerts and showing up with an attitude copied from Snoop Doggy Dog/ Jay-Z etc. However, I hope she understands that for example in Amsterdam people are pretty fed up with Snoop his 'star' behavior and I just hope for Rihanna that she is not wrecking her career right now, by just doing what the marketing people are saying. And believing herself that she doesn't need to comply to any social (or just polite) norms, just because she is a 'star'.

She only picked up on the racist part of the article. Not the sarcastic undertone of the article about what mothers have to deal with, when faced with little 8-year old Rihanna fans who say they want to be a niggabitch and dress like one.

What the hell this has to do with her being called a niggabitch?

I think her current imago is about her growing out of being a child star and trying hard to be adult. She changed her lyrics into very explicit sexual statements and dresses accordingly. Her music and stardom is from a template. She doesn't write or invent herself, she seems more of a marketing product than a person who is becoming mature, both personally and musically. Her imago lead up to the content of the article: how to dress your young daughter in a cold winter when all she wants to wear is what Rihanna is wearing.

I stipulate these kind of subjects in the hope it will generate a discussion beyond this one editor. The term doesn't have the same meaning in Holland as it has in America. And I responded that the use of language in some Afro American music and movies has lead up to the use of these words in other countries. However, withouth the knowledge and sensitivity to the cultural background of the original meaning of the word.

It is easy to conclude that the editor rightly resigned. However, the underlying issue, the copying of Afro American slang by little kids and the way parents should deal with their 8-year olds wanting to go to school dressed as Rihanna and parroting hip hop video clips is not discussed.

Also, I would love to hear how, when and by whom it is apropriate to use the word 'niggabitch' in media. And where the term comes from and what groups incorporate the word in their vocabulary, would be a productive discussion imo.

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Reply #49 posted 12/20/11 3:19pm

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banks said:

OH SNAP: Rihanna Claps Back At Racist Dutch Magazine Editor For "N*GGAB*TCH" CommentDec 20 | by Natasha

Y'all knew it was only a matter of time before Rihanna responded to the pure f*ckery that is the recent Dutch magazine article calling her and generally all black women a "N*GGAB*TCH." And she didn't disappoint. Check out the "We Found Love" singer's words to the unwise inside.... When Dutch magazine editor, Eva Kroes, allowed for her Jackie magazine to print an article with one of the most disrespectful titles possible in reference black women, she must have known she would catch global backlash. And she did. So since she used singer Rihanna as her basis for the disrespectful terminology, which she apologized for later and ignorantly said it was meant as a "joke," Rihanna took it upon herself to respond.

She tweeted:

@evajackie I hope u can read english, because your magazine is a poor representation of the evolution of human rights! I find you disrespectful, and rather desperate!! You ran out of legit, civilized information to print! There are 1000's of Dutch girls who would love to be recognized for their contributions to your country, you could have given them an article. Instead, u paid to print one degrading an entire race! That's your contribution to this world! To encourage segregation, to mislead the future leaders to act in the past! You put two words together,with the intent of abasement, that made no sense..."***** BITCH"?!....

Well with all respect, on behalf of my race, here are my two words for you...FUCK YOU!!!

http://www.theybf.com/201...ch-comment

[Edited 12/20/11 6:17am]

And people say racism is dead...psh.

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Reply #50 posted 12/20/11 3:24pm

dJJ

smoothcriminal12 said:

banks said:

OH SNAP: Rihanna Claps Back At Racist Dutch Magazine Editor For "N*GGAB*TCH" CommentDec 20 | by Natasha

Y'all knew it was only a matter of time before Rihanna responded to the pure f*ckery that is the recent Dutch magazine article calling her and generally all black women a "N*GGAB*TCH." And she didn't disappoint. Check out the "We Found Love" singer's words to the unwise inside.... When Dutch magazine editor, Eva Kroes, allowed for her Jackie magazine to print an article with one of the most disrespectful titles possible in reference black women, she must have known she would catch global backlash. And she did. So since she used singer Rihanna as her basis for the disrespectful terminology, which she apologized for later and ignorantly said it was meant as a "joke," Rihanna took it upon herself to respond.

She tweeted:

@evajackie I hope u can read english, because your magazine is a poor representation of the evolution of human rights! I find you disrespectful, and rather desperate!! You ran out of legit, civilized information to print! There are 1000's of Dutch girls who would love to be recognized for their contributions to your country, you could have given them an article. Instead, u paid to print one degrading an entire race! That's your contribution to this world! To encourage segregation, to mislead the future leaders to act in the past! You put two words together,with the intent of abasement, that made no sense..."***** BITCH"?!....

Well with all respect, on behalf of my race, here are my two words for you...FUCK YOU!!!

http://www.theybf.com/201...ch-comment

[Edited 12/20/11 6:17am]

And people say racism is dead...psh.

The good thing is that it will generate a discussion in Holland. I hope Rihanna will do an interview with the Jacky about using that kind of terminology and about how she would like her young fans to perceive her and be inspired by her.

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Reply #51 posted 12/20/11 3:37pm

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dJJ said:

I agree she is only 23 and still needs to grow up. However, she does take the money as an adult and sings about adult play. Then, why not be hold accountable as an adult?

It seems as if Rihanna is a kid who wants to be just like the big stars now. Coming an hour late for her concerts and showing up with an attitude copied from Snoop Doggy Dog/ Jay-Z etc. However, I hope she understands that for example in Amsterdam people are pretty fed up with Snoop his 'star' behavior and I just hope for Rihanna that she is not wrecking her career right now, by just doing what the marketing people are saying. And believing herself that she doesn't need to comply to any social (or just polite) norms, just because she is a 'star'.

She only picked up on the racist part of the article. Not the sarcastic undertone of the article about what mothers have to deal with, when faced with little 8-year old Rihanna fans who say they want to be a niggabitch and dress like one.

I agree she should be held accountable but this is an INDUSTRY thing. Its not just soley Rihanna.

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Reply #52 posted 12/20/11 3:59pm

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Reply #53 posted 12/20/11 5:59pm

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dJJ said:

I do not understand this post. How does it relate to the article about Rihanna? Although the term "bitch niggaz" is often and has been used in recent years to reference emasculated black men, it has nothing to do with the term "nigga bitch." The terms have separate histories and connotations.

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Reply #54 posted 12/20/11 6:10pm

wavesofbliss

bboy87 said:

mjscarousal said:

RACISM hasnt gone anywhere... it is still alive and well ESPECIALLY over there in the UK.

but the show was in Portugal....

glad someone noticed that too.... Portugal is still a european country last i looked.

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Reply #55 posted 12/20/11 6:18pm

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ScarletScandal said:

Unholyalliance said:

So...if it was just, for example, black people looting it would be a race thing?

DAY-UM!!!! This clip speaks VOLUMES. THANKS for posting this. I will screen shot it and save it for one of my workshops on race and white privilege. I knew such coverage took place during Katrina, great visual to show the difference in coverage!

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Reply #56 posted 12/20/11 7:35pm

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dJJ said:

I agree she is only 23 and still needs to grow up. However, she does take the money as an adult and sings about adult play. Then, why not be hold accountable as an adult?

You do realize it's possible to hold somebody accountable for their actions without being racist and misogynist, right? Honestly, NOTHING about that article struck me as a woman trying to hold Rihanna accountable for her image (which, as mjscarousel rightly noted, is not just Rihanna). It was just a sad, racist, out-of-touch editor trying to sound cool and edgy. What people like her don't realize is that the second you resort to bigotry to make your point, your point is lost.

bellanoche said:

Additionally, I am sick of Europeans feigning innocence or naivety when it comes to racism against blacks/people of African descent.

YES. I've lived in Germany and Amsterdam, and was in Amsterdam during 9/11. You would not believe how all kinds of ugly broke out there afterwards. Anybody who doubts it should just Google Pim Fortuyn. I don't think Europeans are any more or less racist than Americans -- that's a frankly useless and unwinnable discussion -- but it is obnoxious how in denial Europeans are about the racism within their own borders. Yes, I realize that they view racism as a U.S. thing and Europeans would understandably rather not be associated with a lot of the stupidity that goes on here, but sometimes you gotta put your pride aside and face facts. So you have something unpleasant in common with the United States. It doesn't mean you share all our other flaws, damn.


Also, the Dutch are more familiar with American culture than any other place I've traveled, and your average Dutch person speaks perfect English. I shit you not, I met many Dutch people who speak better English than some Americans I know. American slang is easily and frequently adopted into Dutch, and most Dutch I met understood the nuances of our slang terms quite well. As an example, shortly after arriving in Amsterdam one of my Dutch friends explained to me that their version of the word "cunt" is not nearly as forbidden as ours, and can be used in all sorts of situations, such as stubbing one's toe, waking up late to work, etc. So the ignorance argument is really some bullshit. And then you add in Holland's colonial history -- I mean, let's not forget for a second that this is the country that inititially colonized South Africa, and their descendants were the most enthusiastic about apartheid. You can't just sit and play dumb about racism when you have the type of history that Holland has in South Africa, Indonesia, and Surinaam. Also, isn't it kind of a well-known fact that Europeans often know American history better than Americans? So, how are you gonna argue ignorance on the topic of racism in American history? I KNOW those European history books didn't skip slavery because Europeans love to pull it out any time they need to make a point about our racist history, but then when they say something racist about a black American they suddenly don't know aaaaaanything about U.S. history. Damn. So many transparent excuses on this topic....

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[Edited 12/20/11 19:44pm]

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Reply #57 posted 12/20/11 8:55pm

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MidniteMagnet said:

Rihanna encounters some racist asshole who hates blacks so she brings her "nigga" out. I'm not even sure what that means, but the guy probably had all of his racist notions confirmed when she pulled her "nigga" out. And then she's upset when a magazine refers to her as a niggabitch "who displays it proudly." She seemed proud on Twitter! Does she find the word nigga offensive or not and is she one??

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Reply #58 posted 12/20/11 9:38pm

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The lesson from this to european magazine editors is to not assume you understand US vernacular and culture when you one half do (and thus dont know whats offensive and whats not) and the lesson for singers who want to portray themselves like sluts like Rihanna is that if you put yourself out there like that, expect people to talk shit about you because of course, you're portraying yourself like a slut.

[Edited 12/20/11 21:51pm]

Change it one more time..
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Reply #59 posted 12/20/11 9:50pm

bellanoche

Arbwyth said:

dJJ said:

I agree she is only 23 and still needs to grow up. However, she does take the money as an adult and sings about adult play. Then, why not be hold accountable as an adult?

You do realize it's possible to hold somebody accountable for their actions without being racist and misogynist, right? Honestly, NOTHING about that article struck me as a woman trying to hold Rihanna accountable for her image (which, as mjscarousel rightly noted, is not just Rihanna). It was just a sad, racist, out-of-touch editor trying to sound cool and edgy. What people like her don't realize is that the second you resort to bigotry to make your point, your point is lost.

bellanoche said:

Additionally, I am sick of Europeans feigning innocence or naivety when it comes to racism against blacks/people of African descent.

YES. I've lived in Germany and Amsterdam, and was in Amsterdam during 9/11. You would not believe how all kinds of ugly broke out there afterwards. Anybody who doubts it should just Google Pim Fortuyn. I don't think Europeans are any more or less racist than Americans -- that's a frankly useless and unwinnable discussion -- but it is obnoxious how in denial Europeans are about the racism within their own borders. Yes, I realize that they view racism as a U.S. thing and Europeans would understandably rather not be associated with a lot of the stupidity that goes on here, but sometimes you gotta put your pride aside and face facts. So you have something unpleasant in common with the United States. It doesn't mean you share all our other flaws, damn.


Also, the Dutch are more familiar with American culture than any other place I've traveled, and your average Dutch person speaks perfect English. I shit you not, I met many Dutch people who speak better English than some Americans I know. American slang is easily and frequently adopted into Dutch, and most Dutch I met understood the nuances of our slang terms quite well. As an example, shortly after arriving in Amsterdam one of my Dutch friends explained to me that their version of the word "cunt" is not nearly as forbidden as ours, and can be used in all sorts of situations, such as stubbing one's toe, waking up late to work, etc. So the ignorance argument is really some bullshit. And then you add in Holland's colonial history -- I mean, let's not forget for a second that this is the country that inititially colonized South Africa, and their descendants were the most enthusiastic about apartheid. You can't just sit and play dumb about racism when you have the type of history that Holland has in South Africa, Indonesia, and Surinaam. Also, isn't it kind of a well-known fact that Europeans often know American history better than Americans? So, how are you gonna argue ignorance on the topic of racism in American history? I KNOW those European history books didn't skip slavery because Europeans love to pull it out any time they need to make a point about our racist history, but then when they say something racist about a black American they suddenly don't know aaaaaanything about U.S. history. Damn. So many transparent excuses on this topic....

[Edited 12/20/11 19:42pm]

[Edited 12/20/11 19:44pm]

Thanks so much for this post. I hate when people act like I am crazy when I point out these things.

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