bboy87 said:

paisleypark4 said:

That's the problem. Ok so you will buy music that is not actually from said artist?

Might as well buy the new Prince album I only own...he came to my house and spent the night and recorded 10 tracks.

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That gullible I might as well make some money off it

I brought it to say I have it to be honest. Immortal I was suckered into buying it but I’m not buying anymore albums now with Michael I’ll just download whatever unreleases come out. It's really best to stick with the albums Michael put out when he was alive.

It's been one big mess, since he passed away.

Ah Matty, I feel ya pain.

But really, who cares about these tools? As someone in the MJ thread said, we're not going to see ANY more footage of TII, or anything else us hardcore fans would like. They market to the general public, or the casual fans. I don't see ANY average "fan" listening to "Trouble", "Hot Street", "Best Of Joy", or even "Much Too Soon".

This is why I stay away from these people. They drive me up the freaking wall.

And for all I know, a lot of the people who write these reviews could be shills. So eh...

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ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Ah Matty, I feel ya pain.

But really, who cares about these tools? As someone in the MJ thread said, we're not going to see ANY more footage of TII, or anything else us hardcore fans would like. They market to the general public, or the casual fans. I don't see ANY average "fan" listening to "Trouble", "Hot Street", "Best Of Joy", or even "Much Too Soon".

This is why I stay away from these people. They drive me up the freaking wall.

And for all I know, a lot of the people who write these reviews could be shills. So eh...

[Edited 12/19/11 18:55pm]

I already figured out that some people who do reviews were from the music industry anyway... watch who reviews someone's albums, they may not be normal joes lol

MickyDolenz said:

They like it. What is difficult to understand about that? Those people can ask the same about why you don't like it.

^THIS!

kellistarr120 said:

MickyDolenz said:

They like it. What is difficult to understand about that? Those people can ask the same about why you don't like it.

^THIS!

Timmy84 said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Ah Matty, I feel ya pain.

But really, who cares about these tools? As someone in the MJ thread said, we're not going to see ANY more footage of TII, or anything else us hardcore fans would like. They market to the general public, or the casual fans. I don't see ANY average "fan" listening to "Trouble", "Hot Street", "Best Of Joy", or even "Much Too Soon".

This is why I stay away from these people. They drive me up the freaking wall.

And for all I know, a lot of the people who write these reviews could be shills. So eh...

[Edited 12/19/11 18:55pm]

I already figured out that some people who do reviews were from the music industry anyway... watch who reviews someone's albums, they may not be normal joes lol

Yep and its against the law but alot of the industry does it.... this has been going on for years.. not JUST with music but with reviews done online...

mjscarousal said:

Timmy84 said:

I already figured out that some people who do reviews were from the music industry anyway... watch who reviews someone's albums, they may not be normal joes lol

Yep and its against the law but alot of the industry does it.... this has been going on for years.. not JUST with music but with reviews done online...

sosgemini said:

mjscarousal said:

Yep and its against the law but alot of the industry does it.... this has been going on for years.. not JUST with music but with reviews done online...

It is lying and giving false advertisement and companies make millions off of doing this

The day that record came out was one of the saddest days in popular music history. It's unbelievable that even so many reviewers said nothing about the fake tracks.

I honestly wouldn't have believed it was MJ singing 2000 watts even if it wasn't people who made that album including MJ claiming it was. I'm an MJ fan and my ultimate conclusion to those Cascio tracks is "I.Don't.Know". Not that I'm proud to admit that I can't even distinguish my favorite artist's voice...but that's just the fact I have to live with. Yes I do think the vibrato sounds quite unstable and it's extremely difficult to believe it's MJ but I just can't trust myself 100%. I'm just waiting patiently until someone who initially confirmed that it was MJ who sang on Cascio tracks, decides to come out and say "the truth". And it really has to be one of those people who made that official claim (Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, etc. oh and maybe..Teddy Riley) and until then, I'm still trying to deal with the fact that I.Don't.Know.Anything.4.Sure.(Actually When I first heard Hollywood Tonight..I thought it was one of the Cascio tracks.)

Like bigd74...I do like Keep Your Head Up. There's so many questions I have about these songs, if it's not MJ who's singing them, then who wrote/composed these songs? Because Keep Ur HEad Up to me sounded like a very classic MJ tune that I was familiar with...I don't know to me at this point I just think there are gazillion possibilities..whether those songs weren't completely finished so they decided to make Malachi or whoever sang partially on them, or MJ only made a demo version but they decided to sped it up and changed the pitch like Riley said, or..I just don't know.

Ugh, as for the album itself, I'd give maybe about 3/5. To me it's not an MJ album, and nothing that came out after 6/25/09 will ever be considered as "By Michael Jackson"..it doesn't matter if the next album's gonna be filled with pure MJ's work 100% or not...so yeah, considering this is non-mj-material; made-just-for-fans, it's not that bad.

I know I'm a selfish fan who cares more about hearing MJ's unreleased material than anything. I really want to hear anything MJ worked on at this point whether it's finished or not...I'm even curious about those Will.I.Am tracks that he's not planning to release...It sounds horrible considering how MJ was a perfectionist but I figured, anyone who's logical isn't going to consider any posthumous work as pure "Michael Jackson's art"..

Best.Of.Joy. is amazing I love it so much..I feel like he wrote that just for fans. He has some songs like this, that just make you wonder "huh, is he talking to a lover? family? friend? who the hell is he talking to in this song?!" and Best of Joy is just that! And of all musicians I know I think he's really the best at delivering songs like this. Something that speaks to pretty much everyone who loved MJ.

Emancipation89 said:

I honestly wouldn't have believed it was MJ singing 2000 watts even if it wasn't people who made that album including MJ claiming it was. I'm an MJ fan and my ultimate conclusion to those Cascio tracks is "I.Don't.Know". Not that I'm proud to admit that I can't even distinguish my favorite artist's voice...but that's just the fact I have to live with. Yes I do think the vibrato sounds quite unstable and it's extremely difficult to believe it's MJ but I just can't trust myself 100%.

How can you not trust yourself? That statement mind boggles me.

Well what really sealed the deal for me was when the Cascios said they had video of him singing these songs...then never produced them.

Then the family asked for copies of the masters of the material...but the Cascios and Sony said they were all destroyed.

Plus the many arguments that were had between the family and producers concerning these tracks, not to mention the random add in of Michael Jacksons name two days after he passed, even though these songs were shown to be registered only under Cascio's name before he died....says ENOUGH.

Best.Of.Joy. is amazing I love it so much..I feel like he wrote that just for fans. He has some songs like this, that just make you wonder "huh, is he talking to a lover? family? friend? who the hell is he talking to in this song?!" and Best of Joy is just that! And of all musicians I know I think he's really the best at delivering songs like this. Something that speaks to pretty much everyone who loved MJ.

Yes the other tracks are great...especially Best Of Joy, Behind The Mask, Hollywood Tonight and Another Day...I only question the Cascio tracks because simply...Michael does not sound like that ..no matter if you sepped up or slow down his voice..the accents, grammer, pronounciation and vibrato all stay the same...they do not with those tracks..it actually sounds like a caucasian person trying to emulate him. The rest of it is him for sure.

paisleypark4 said:

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I honestly wouldn't have believed it was MJ singing 2000 watts even if it wasn't people who made that album including MJ claiming it was. I'm an MJ fan and my ultimate conclusion to those Cascio tracks is "I.Don't.Know". Not that I'm proud to admit that I can't even distinguish my favorite artist's voice...but that's just the fact I have to live with. Yes I do think the vibrato sounds quite unstable and it's extremely difficult to believe it's MJ but I just can't trust myself 100%.

How can you not trust yourself? That statement mind boggles me.

Well what really sealed the deal for me was when the Cascios said they had video of him singing these songs...then never produced them.

Then the family asked for copies of the masters of the material...but the Cascios and Sony said they were all destroyed.

Plus the many arguments that were had between the family and producers concerning these tracks, not to mention the random add in of Michael Jacksons name two days after he passed, even though these songs were shown to be registered only under Cascio's name before he died....says ENOUGH.

Best.Of.Joy. is amazing I love it so much..I feel like he wrote that just for fans. He has some songs like this, that just make you wonder "huh, is he talking to a lover? family? friend? who the hell is he talking to in this song?!" and Best of Joy is just that! And of all musicians I know I think he's really the best at delivering songs like this. Something that speaks to pretty much everyone who loved MJ.

Yes the other tracks are great...especially Best Of Joy, Behind The Mask, Hollywood Tonight and Another Day...I only question the Cascio tracks because simply...Michael does not sound like that ..no matter if you sepped up or slow down his voice..the accents, grammer, pronounciation and vibrato all stay the same...they do not with those tracks..it actually sounds like a caucasian person trying to emulate him. The rest of it is him for sure.

How can I not trust myself...like I said, I don't think I could've been able to tell if 2000watts was real MJ or not if it didn't say it was MJ. So yeah I know I could be wrong. I've read many threads/claims about Cascio songs and why they are absolutely not MJ (trust me I actually did use the search function for this haha) and what you're saying makes a really good point but still, at the end of the day, I just don't want to ignore that tiny possibility that it may really be MJ UNTIL someone like Bruce Swedden says that he actually lied. I think that's just how I am. Until then, I just try to judge these songs as they are. It's not like I give extra credit JUST because it's MJ or not, and like I said, I'm so fond of Keep Ur head up and almost more than I wanna know who really sang these songs, I'd like to know who wrote these songs...so..yeah

If this is indeed MJ, his vocals are very deteriorated in recent years: there was no freedom of vocal and no vocal control (which was always the strongest argument in favor of his vocals). Frankly weak voice on the album "Michael."
When MJ was the last time he sang live? in 2001, he sounded quite powerful.

LiLi1992 said:

If this is indeed MJ, his vocals are very deteriorated in recent years: there was no freedom of vocal and no vocal control (which was always the strongest argument in favor of his vocals). Frankly weak voice on the album "Michael."

This doesn't make any sense to me since many of those songs were done at different points in his career.

Unholyalliance said:

LiLi1992 said:

If this is indeed MJ, his vocals are very deteriorated in recent years: there was no freedom of vocal and no vocal control (which was always the strongest argument in favor of his vocals). Frankly weak voice on the album "Michael."

This doesn't make any sense to me since many of those songs were done at different points in his career.

LiLi1992 said:

Unholyalliance said:

This doesn't make any sense to me since many of those songs were done at different points in his career.

I'm about dubious tracks that were recorded with Casio and it was (or not) in recent years. voice trembles and there is no vocal control. Behind the mask and Another day - excellent tracks, and there does not arise any question of authenticity.

Oh. Ok my bad.

LiLi1992 said:

If this is indeed MJ, his vocals are very deteriorated in recent years: there was no freedom of vocal and no vocal control (which was always the strongest argument in favor of his vocals). Frankly weak voice on the album "Michael."
When MJ was the last time he sang live? in 2001, he sounded quite powerful.

div>

One of his last tunes Best Of Joy was recorded in 2008 I believe and he sound just like his old self... All of them do except for the 4 bogus ones.

paisleypark4 said:

LiLi1992 said:

If this is indeed MJ, his vocals are very deteriorated in recent years: there was no freedom of vocal and no vocal control (which was always the strongest argument in favor of his vocals). Frankly weak voice on the album "Michael."
When MJ was the last time he sang live? in 2001, he sounded quite powerful.

div>

One of his last tunes Best Of Joy was recorded in 2008 I believe and he sound just like his old self... All of them do except for the 4 bogus ones.

Michael never lost his vocal styling in the years since Invincible. Actually the producers of Michael did us a favor because it exposed the truth. I can't believe Teddy and 'em were saying this was him. Even in demos he didn't sound like that. It was like "are you taking me for a fool?"

paisleypark4 said:

LiLi1992 said:

If this is indeed MJ, his vocals are very deteriorated in recent years: there was no freedom of vocal and no vocal control (which was always the strongest argument in favor of his vocals). Frankly weak voice on the album "Michael."
When MJ was the last time he sang live? in 2001, he sounded quite powerful.

div>

One of his last tunes Best Of Joy was recorded in 2008 I believe and he sound just like his old self... All of them do except for the 4 bogus ones.

3 wasn't it ?

bigd74 said:

paisleypark4 said:

One of his last tunes Best Of Joy was recorded in 2008 I believe and he sound just like his old self... All of them do except for the 4 bogus ones.

3 wasn't it ?

Yeah.

Timmy84 said:

bigd74 said:

3 wasn't it ?

Yeah.

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah.

Shit my version of Michael does not have those tracks on it anymore since they were replaced by Blue Gangsta, Do You Know Where..., Slave To The Rhythm....I thought they put 4

My version has Blue Gangsta and Do You Know Where...

I think it was Monster, Keep Your Head Up and Breaking News only. The rest was purely MJ.

The same reason Invincible got positive reviews or maybe because he died.

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah.

Shit my version of Michael does not have those tracks on it anymore since they were replaced by Blue Gangsta, Do You Know Where..., Slave To The Rhythm....I thought they put 4

Fall Again

Blue Gangsta

Do You Know Where Your Children Are

Slave To The Rhythm

Behind The Mask

Another Day

Hollywood Tonight

All In Your Name

Hold My Hand

Best Of Joy

They could create a decent album of songs that they already had.
I do not understand the logic behavior of producers and managers.

Because it's high quality and the music is good. Yeah some tracks suck and they should have left it alone, but still the quality alone is worth it. Also I'm sure a lot of the same things on this thread will be said once Prince dies.

I'm sure people would be saying 2000 watts was fake if they put it on here. MJ has a range people!