LittleBLUECorvette said:

getxxxx said:

See my previous answer.

There was nothin on the clearance site about syndication. I checked wikepedia about it, coouldn't fond anything.

wiki is not a legal soucre, and not useable in court.

from the clearance site

music owners sell copies of recordings (i.e. records, tapes, CDs) or sheet music to the public. Airplay on radio or through music videos also brings music to audiences.

Once a song or piece of music is heard, there is sometimes an interest by an outside party who would like to it for a secondary purposes, such as a film, commercial, computer chip, or on an oldies album. Music copyright owners can convey permission for these uses by means of licenses.

Therefore, if a desired piece of music is owned by a publisher or record company, music clearance is required in order to get an appropriate license for a permitted purpose.

The US copyright law includes provisions for fair use, which allows that copyright owners do not always control every use of protected material. To the dismay of many, the law does not set out exactly what a fair use is, leaving it to be worked out between copyright owners, users and the courts.

MUSIC IS NOT FREE IN TV SHOWS REGARDLESS IF IN SYNDICATION OR NOT.

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but howdo you explain a show like In Livng Color? The episodes run on sydication are the exact episodes shows some 20 years ago. Yet, the DVD Box Sets distributed by Fox Network chose to cut certain sketches, musical performances and Fly Girl routines with certain songs because of license rights. Why would a 3rd party like BET who only picked up the series by Fox supposedly pay and not the company that originaly ran the series. That doesnt make an ounce of sense to me?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but howdo you explain a show like In Livng Color? The episodes run on sydication are the exact episodes shows some 20 years ago. Yet, the DVD Box Sets distributed by Fox Network chose to cut certain sketches, musical performances and Fly Girl routines with certain songs because of license rights. Why would a 3rd party like BET who only picked up the series by Fox supposedly pay and not the company that originaly ran the series. That doesnt make an ounce of sense to me?

ITS LICENSED AND ALL THE FEES ARE PAID TO SHOW THEM, WHAT PART OF THIS DONT YOU UNDERSTAND? WHY WOULD FOX PAY IF BET OR ANY OTHER NETWORKS WANT TO RERUN A SHOW THEY HAVE TO PAY THE FEES ITS ALL STAND RIGHTS & CLEARANCES FOR TV & FILM.

ANY SHOW YOU SEE WITH MUSIC HAS RIGHTS & CLEARANCES TO DEAL WITH FOR MUSIC (ie. Grey's Anatomy, Unsung, Behind The Music, MAD TV, etc)

I get what you're saying, but Fox already went through that process of gettingv those songs. Fox or whoever doesnt have to keep getting these songs everytime the episode is ran, they pay for it that episode and that's that. Now selling it on market, they have to get another license cause now thosesongs are being used for sale. Fox sales the show for syndication with all that taken care off. No company would ever rerun shows if they have to do as much work as the original company did for a show years ago. You think all these small local staions are paying for these past blckbuster movies songs throughout the film to air it on ther station on a Saturday Night? Like I said, not saying you're wrong, but that link isn't saying anything about this.

IM DONE

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I get what you're saying, but Fox already went through that process of gettingv those songs. Fox or whoever doesnt have to keep getting these songs everytime the episode is ran, they pay for it that episode and that's that. Now selling it on market, they have to get another license cause now thosesongs are being used for sale. Fox sales the show for syndication with all that taken care off. No company would ever rerun shows if they have to do as much work as the original company did for a show years ago. You think all these small local staions are paying for these past blckbuster movies songs throughout the film to air it on ther station on a Saturday Night? Like I said, not saying you're wrong, but that link isn't saying anything about this.

OK, you used the example of Fox paying for song licenses during the network run of "In Living Color". The thing is, licensing agreements are negotiated. And they can expire.

After a licensing deal ends, an artist/songwriter/publisher may deny permission for re-use or try to renegotiate for a bigger fee that could make the music too cost-prohibitive to use again in a show.

The best example of this is the show "WKRP In Cincinnati". The sitcom used a lot of pop music of its day, but the show producers cut music licensing deals for network/syndication that only lasted 10 years. After that those deals expired, the show had to replace many of those songs in syndication with cheaper generic production music. It became too expensive to get another licensing deal for the original songs.

[Edited 2/8/12 22:23pm]

KemiVA said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I get what you're saying, but Fox already went through that process of gettingv those songs. Fox or whoever doesnt have to keep getting these songs everytime the episode is ran, they pay for it that episode and that's that. Now selling it on market, they have to get another license cause now thosesongs are being used for sale. Fox sales the show for syndication with all that taken care off. No company would ever rerun shows if they have to do as much work as the original company did for a show years ago. You think all these small local staions are paying for these past blckbuster movies songs throughout the film to air it on ther station on a Saturday Night? Like I said, not saying you're wrong, but that link isn't saying anything about this.

OK, you used the example of Fox paying for song licenses during the network run of "In Living Color". The thing is, licensing agreements are negotiated. And they can expire.

After a licensing deal ends, an artist/songwriter/publisher may deny permission for re-use or try to renegotiate for a bigger fee that could make the music too cost-prohibitive to use again in a show.

The best example of this is the show "WKRP In Cincinnati". The sitcom used a lot of pop music of its day, but the show producers cut music licensing deals for network/syndication that only lasted 10 years. After that those deals expired, the show had to replace many of those songs in syndication with cheaper generic production music. It became too expensive to get another licensing deal for the original songs.

[Edited 2/8/12 22:23pm]

I don't know how it works but in the early 2000s, I recorded every episode of "WKRP in Cincinnatti" from TNN that I could and they all had the original music in them. About two or three years ago, I saw they had finally released the first season on DVD and the box had a warning on the back that it didn't include the original music and there was also page after page of angry comments on Amazon's customer reviews. However, during this same time period, WGN was airing the episodes on Sunday nights with the original music in it.

I'm just glad I was able to record as many as I could because I'm not buying a DVD set with generic music in it because the music was one of the things that made the show so great because it captured the era.

vainandy said:

KemiVA said:

OK, you used the example of Fox paying for song licenses during the network run of "In Living Color". The thing is, licensing agreements are negotiated. And they can expire.

After a licensing deal ends, an artist/songwriter/publisher may deny permission for re-use or try to renegotiate for a bigger fee that could make the music too cost-prohibitive to use again in a show.

The best example of this is the show "WKRP In Cincinnati". The sitcom used a lot of pop music of its day, but the show producers cut music licensing deals for network/syndication that only lasted 10 years. After that those deals expired, the show had to replace many of those songs in syndication with cheaper generic production music. It became too expensive to get another licensing deal for the original songs.

[Edited 2/8/12 22:23pm]

I don't know how it works but in the early 2000s, I recorded every episode of "WKRP in Cincinnatti" from TNN that I could and they all had the original music in them. About two or three years ago, I saw they had finally released the first season on DVD and the box had a warning on the back that it didn't include the original music and there was also page after page of angry comments on Amazon's customer reviews. However, during this same time period, WGN was airing the episodes on Sunday nights with the original music in it.

I'm just glad I was able to record as many as I could because I'm not buying a DVD set with generic music in it because the music was one of the things that made the show so great because it captured the era.

Agreed! Antenna TV will start airing "WKRP" in April. Curious to hear if these episodes will have the original music, or generic like when the reruns ran on TV Land.

Going back to the Soul Train episodes, I hope the new owners of the show can sort out/affordably renew their licensing deals with more performers. I'd love to see a new round of classic episodes too.

[Edited 2/9/12 22:45pm]