I love both Destiny and Triumph. I really can't choose.

I know I would take Off The Wall over both though.

Timmy84 said:

LiLi1992 said:

Well, you can improve it and write a short review about the songs on both albums.

I expressed my opinion about every song in the beginning ...

lol that ain't the point. I can but it wouldn't be useful because everyone marches to the beat of their own drum and I already had a point on why I may dig Destiny or Triumph. I'm kinda mad though because they should've put this mix of "Walk Right Now" on Triumph:

Yeah I had to dig out my expanded edition copy of Triumph that came out a couple of years ago. When this joint came on, I was jamming all night last night. That mix is so much that the version that is on the album. More kick, funk and energy. The instrumental smokes too.

If Triumph has a slight edge over Destiny, it's the storytelling here:

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And I don't think anyone has noticed this yet but like "Blues Away" four years before, the song only features Michael on vocals (but female vocals on "Hotel") while the other Jacksons applied instrumentation only. So "Heartbreak Hotel" felt like a Michael solo record. Precursor to "Billie Jean" and "Thriller".

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silverchild said:

Timmy84 said:

lol that ain't the point. I can but it wouldn't be useful because everyone marches to the beat of their own drum and I already had a point on why I may dig Destiny or Triumph. I'm kinda mad though because they should've put this mix of "Walk Right Now" on Triumph:

Yeah I had to dig out my expanded edition copy of Triumph that came out a couple of years ago. When this joint came on, I was jamming all night last night. That mix is so much that the version that is on the album. More kick, funk and energy. The instrumental smokes too.

The album version pales in comparison. Also think something went wrong with the editing on "Lovely One". Not only did the song sound too high pitched (maybe in an effort to distance itself from "Shake Your Body" since it was really "Shake Your Body", pt. 2), but I think there was a longer version. "Wondering Who", the Jackie song, was unfinished too, it seems like. It seemed out of place to me... it was funky though.

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Timmy84 said:

silverchild said:

Yeah I had to dig out my expanded edition copy of Triumph that came out a couple of years ago. When this joint came on, I was jamming all night last night. That mix is so much that the version that is on the album. More kick, funk and energy. The instrumental smokes too.

The album version pales in comparison. Also think something went wrong with the editing on "Lovely One". Not only did the song sound too high pitched (maybe in an effort to distance itself from "Shake Your Body" since it was really "Shake Your Body", pt. 2), but I think there was a longer version. "Wondering Who", the Jackie song, was unfinished too, it seems like. It seemed out of place to me... it was funky though.

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It does seem like they tacked "Wondering Who" at the end, but that's my song though. Triumph is just flawless to me.

Timmy84 said:

LiLi1992 said:

Well, you can improve it and write a short review about the songs on both albums.

I expressed my opinion about every song in the beginning ...

lol that ain't the point. I can but it wouldn't be useful because everyone marches to the beat of their own drum and I already had a point on why I may dig Destiny or Triumph. I'm kinda mad though because they should've put this mix of "Walk Right Now" on Triumph:

Yes, the song is very catchy.

Using this song may create a million awesome remixes.

silverchild said:

Timmy84 said:

The album version pales in comparison. Also think something went wrong with the editing on "Lovely One". Not only did the song sound too high pitched (maybe in an effort to distance itself from "Shake Your Body" since it was really "Shake Your Body", pt. 2), but I think there was a longer version. "Wondering Who", the Jackie song, was unfinished too, it seems like. It seemed out of place to me... it was funky though.

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It does seem like they tacked "Wondering Who" at the end, but that's my song though. Triumph is just flawless to me.

Like Jackie asked them "please can I just put this on the album?! PLEASE!" And Michael was like "OK Jackie! Put that damn song on it so he can shut up..."

Timmy84 said:

This thread is already deteriorating.

I know right.. Triumph is the bridge between off the wall and thriller. Adding destiny Michael had a perfect 4 album run imo.

Timmy84 said:

silverchild said:

It does seem like they tacked "Wondering Who" at the end, but that's my song though. Triumph is just flawless to me.

Like Jackie asked them "please can I just put this on the album?! PLEASE!" And Michael was like "OK Jackie! Put that damn song on it so he can shut up..."

That probably is what happened, but I gotta give credit to Jackie, Marlon, Randy and Tito for some of the input into Destiny and Triumph. They really held their own against Michael, who was gonna kill it with or without the guys. Randy's talent is just so underrated by many. He really put the work in after their departure from Motown.

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Something I have always wondered about:

Why the hell did the Jacksons change the title of the song "Heartbreak Hotel" to the ridiculous "This Place Hotel"?? Explain it to me,please.Yes,I know that Elvis Presley has a song called "Heartbreak Hotel" but newsflash: Lots of artists have songs with the same title!! There was no need to change the song title.

SoulAlive said:

Something I have always wondered about:

Why the hell did the Jacksons change the title of the song "Heartbreak Hotel" to the ridiculous "This Place Hotel"?? Explain it to me,please.Yes,I know that Elvis Presley has a song called "Heartbreak Hotel" but newsflash: Lots of artists have songs with the same title!! There was no need to change the song title.

Yeah that always startled me as well. I heard that they didn't want to confuse the title with Elvis' song, which is weird.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

This thread is already deteriorating.

I know right.. Triumph is the bridge between off the wall and thriller. Adding destiny Michael had a perfect 4 album run imo.

Yeah I often argued that Michael's greatest musical run was between Destiny and Thriller. He had nice help from his brothers, Quincy Jones and Rod Temperton. Nice combo.

silverchild said:

SoulAlive said:

Something I have always wondered about:

Why the hell did the Jacksons change the title of the song "Heartbreak Hotel" to the ridiculous "This Place Hotel"?? Explain it to me,please.Yes,I know that Elvis Presley has a song called "Heartbreak Hotel" but newsflash: Lots of artists have songs with the same title!! There was no need to change the song title.

Yeah that always startled me as well. I heard that they didn't want to confuse the title with Elvis' song, which is weird.

Yeah that's the excuse I often heard about why they change it. I didn't agree with it myself... maybe Michael was worried that RCA would file suit lol

Man, i love both of them albums but Your Ways and Walk Right Now, they take me to another place.

I pick Triumph.

It seems that Triumph has a solid advantage, by the way, even video Can you feel it is better than the Boogie

JoeyC said:

Man, i love both of them albums but Your Ways and Walk Right Now, they take me to another place.

I pick Triumph.

I just played that one! Greg Phillinganes (or was it Randy?) was killing it on the keys!

LiLi1992 said: I'm wondering, the Jacksons were not in support of Triumph on any show?

It was a lot in Destiny era.

I think it had to do with Randy, who was injured and hospitalized from an accident. Orger bboy87 might know more info about this situation.

vainandy said: Even though his brothers aren't present on the "Off The Wall" album, it kinda feels like they are because it's just as hot and funky as the two albums it's sandwiched inbetween. Apparently, he must have still been around them at that time on a regular basis and still being influenced by them.

Randy's percussion is actually recorded on "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough". I remember an interview with bass-player Marcus Miller, who hipped Miles Davis to "Shake Your Body Down To The Ground" written by Randy and Michael. I've also read somewhere that Randy added a new punch to the Jackson's sound when he joined them.

SoulAlive said:

Off The Wall kills any Jacksons album.Everytime Michael had a successful solo album,his brothers tried to top it but they didn't succeed.

***Off The Wall/Triumph

***Thriller/Victory

I've said this before and I'll say it again: After OTW,Michael should have never worked with brothers again.He didn't need them anymore.

Imo, "Triumph" is an essential phase and good mix for both careers of the brothers as a unit and for MJ solo. At the time, interested people were still heavy into experiencing the live-shows of the brothers, after their expanded Destiny Tour in the US. It sounds though somewhat illogical to me about the OTW<<>>Triumph-competing when Michael had actually an integral part in the creation-proces of the Triumph-album, including the concept for the "Can You Feel It"-video and also as co-creator (with magician Doug Henning) of the Triumph Tour stage. And even though he initially distanced himself from taking part of the Victory Tour (by this time he was indeed more then ready to continue his path all alone) he still added his creative help to concept the intro and other parts of the Victory Tour. He could've easily had someone else do that.

Timmy84 said:

silverchild said:

Yeah that always startled me as well. I heard that they didn't want to confuse the title with Elvis' song, which is weird.

Yeah that's the excuse I often heard about why they change it. I didn't agree with it myself... maybe Michael was worried that RCA would file suit lol

then he was overly paranoid Record labels are aware that different artists have songs with the same titles.Hell,Whitney Houston also has a song with that title!

SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah that's the excuse I often heard about why they change it. I didn't agree with it myself... maybe Michael was worried that RCA would file suit lol

then he was overly paranoid Record labels are aware that different artists have songs with the same titles.Hell,Whitney Houston also has a song with that title!

In my opinion, this is a well known fact.
But that's okay, madness gives the artist a special charm.

I have a very strange attitude to This Place Hotel. It seems a little crazy song and I rarely listen to it, but impression that this is brilliantly written. Such a paradox.

I first heard it in The Legend Continues Bad tour performance when I was a kid and fell in love with the song instantly. I love the melody, lyrics, everything and it's paranoid like Billie Jean, like a pre-cursor almost.

This is my fave MJ era...from Destiny to Thriller he just kept getting better and better. After that he had his moments, but nothing matched his magic from that era imo.

Hard to pick a fave...but have to go with Destiny, as its the one I go back to regularly to this day. Blame it on the Boogie has been getting me movin since 1978 they have me until the end of the record almost every time.

Though I LOVE Bad, Dangerous and the work from onwards, I don't think one can fully appreciate the artist that is Michael Jackson without also appreciating his era from Destiny to Thriller and the other underrated work as well. Those I know that have liked him before and after his death, whether casually or as big fans just know about the solo work and none of this stuff. It's nice to switch from r&b mj to pop mj to motown young mj and switch it up, which is why I can enjoy him and call him my favourite all time artist instead of narrowing him to a decade or style.

TRIUMPH is (for lack of better words) the MJ album in between Off The Wall and Thriller. And I say it's a MJ album because the mood and vibe of it falls right in sync with both Off The Wall and Thriller. It's basically MJ with special guests "The Jacksons" (even though their contribution is SOILD). His vocals on that album are hands down some of his most soulful. "Your Ways" could've easily been a Marvin Gaye cut (which Jackie actually wrote). Hands down the best Jacksons album EVER! But yeah..that is a hard one to choose from because DESTINY is equally as stellar

LiLi1992 said:

VS

I know that this topic was discussed here a million times, but:
a) it was before I came to the forum;
b) I learned of the existence of these albums, just a few months ago (ooo, I know).

Which album do you prefer and why?

my ratings

Destiny
1. "Blame It on the Boogie" * * * *
2. "Push Me Away" * * * 1/2
3. "Things I Do For You" * * * *
4. "Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)" * * * * *
5. "Destiny" * * * *
6. "Bless His Soul" * * *
7. "All Night Dancin '" * * * 1 / 2
8. "That's What You Get (For Being Polite)" * * * *

In general * * * *

Triumph
1. "Can You Feel It" * * * * *
2. "Lovely One" * * * *
3. "Your Ways" * * *
4. "Everybody" * * * *
5. "This Place Hotel" * * * * 1 / 2
6. "Time Waits for No One" * * * *
7. "Walk Right Now" * * * *
8. "Give It Up" * * * *
9. "Wondering Who" * * *

In general * * * *

Albums about equal, but very little advantage I give to Triumph.

What do you think, guys?

alphastreet said:

Though I LOVE Bad, Dangerous and the work from onwards, I don't think one can fully appreciate the artist that is Michael Jackson without also appreciating his era from Destiny to Thriller and the other underrated work as well.

I think that the work in the Jackson 5/Jacksons is important primarily because it is a huge part of creativity. Adult solo MJ has only 6 studio albums, this is not enough for the artist with his status, so work in a group makes his artistic legacy full and varied.

But I agree that Triumph and Destiny are very good albums of their own and require greater attention, the general public, it is really worthy music.
Remaining albums J5/Jacksons I do not like much, just some songs and singles.

LiLi1992 said:

alphastreet said:

Though I LOVE Bad, Dangerous and the work from onwards, I don't think one can fully appreciate the artist that is Michael Jackson without also appreciating his era from Destiny to Thriller and the other underrated work as well.

I think that the work in the Jackson 5/Jacksons is important primarily because it is a huge part of creativity. Adult solo MJ has only 6 studio albums, this is not enough for the artist with his status, so work in a group makes his artistic legacy full and varied.

But I agree that Triumph and Destiny are very good albums of their own and require greater attention, the general public, it is really worthy music.
Remaining albums J5/Jacksons I do not like much, just some songs and singles.

Yeah, that's why I'm relieved he has those and not just the solo albums. I have the motown albums, there's some I really like, and others I'm indifferent to, but his voice was AMAZING as a child and adolescent, and he sounds different from how he turned out as an adult solo star, though still unique and talented.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

I know right.. Triumph is the bridge between off the wall and thriller. Adding destiny Michael had a perfect 4 album run imo.

Yeah I often argued that Michael's greatest musical run was between Destiny and Thriller. He had nice help from his brothers, Quincy Jones and Rod Temperton. Nice combo.

And Mouse, who was the X-factor on Destiny and Triumph.

Triumph, hands down. Heartbreak Hotel (aka This Place Motel) is my favorite Michael Jackson-penned song.

Adisa said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I often argued that Michael's greatest musical run was between Destiny and Thriller. He had nice help from his brothers, Quincy Jones and Rod Temperton. Nice combo.

And Mouse, who was the X-factor on Destiny and Triumph.

Heh I forgot about Mouse.

As much as I like Triumph, Destiny is my choice. The songs, and Michael's performance, are brilliant. Quality stuff. Mainly sweet and delicate songs.

I recently saw two DVD's, one of the Destiny tour, the other of Victory, and it's obvious how the macho attitude became fundamental in the Jacksons' image, while in the second half of the 70's they were still sweet, almost feminine guys.

By the way, I LOVE Get It Together. It's my favourite Jacksons 5 album, great songs and Norman Whitfield all over the place.

Off topic: aren't the mods becoming more tolerant regarding Michael Jackson's threads not being included in the Sticky? That would be good news, as a discussion like this one, for example, wouldn't have half of its participants had it been "stickyfied".

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