aardvark15 said:

LiLi1992 said:

I do not think Triumph is better than Off The Wall, but it's close in my opinion.

I know that most people here love Off The Wall to death and consider it a top of world music, but I appreciate Thriller, Bad and Dangerous above.
Off The Wall is obviously a good album, but very overrated on this forum, imo ...
Music - a very subjective thing.

But come on, threads is not about mj`s solo albums.
ONLY Triumph and Destiny

I'm not crazy about Off The Wall either. Dangerous is 100x's beeter in my opnion, but we're talking about MJ so Off The Wall is still an amzing album

This assertion was correct, while MJ has not released Invincible.

I'm wondering, the Jacksons were not in support of Triumph on any show?
It was a lot in Destiny era.

LiLi1992 said:

rebelenterprise said:

I didn't mean to bring MJs solo albums into discussion, BUT, in my opinion, Destiny/OTW/Triumph are like a pop/funk/dance three headed monster. Similar sounds/topics, same lead vocalist. The difference is one was produced by Quincy. But the fact that both Triumph & Destiny were produced by The Jacksons proves they could be self-contained & still come up with production & songs that rivaled the industry standard production veterans... They represent something I wish MJ would've done more in his solo career,'cause Triumph & Destiny proved him & his bros had the ability to run things.

All three albums - a blend of Funk/R&B/Sou/Disco, similar in sound, but one (Off the wall) was a huge success, and two others had an average success. Why is it, in your opinion?
All albums about equally good.

LiLi1992 said:

rebelenterprise said:

like I said before, these two albums proved he really didn't need Quincy,Teddy or anyone else. If they continued with stuff like this, they could've became what other producers became after them. There's some genius stuff on these records...

In my opinion, on the contrary.

Low success of these two good albums of Jacksons proved that to have MJ as a leader of a group does not mean that it is a priori a great success. If you want that an album sold well, just need competent company.

They do not have coped with these functions.

Destiny is a great album, I really like Destiny but........

I LOVE TRIUMPH!

So Triumph wins this one hands down. Brilliant album from the Jacksons. Can You Feel It is one of the best all-time anthem songs IMO. Heartbreak Hotel, killer, epic, masterpiece. All the songs are either great, very good, or just plain good. No mediocre filler on this album.

I prefer Triumph over Destiny. Generally speaking though, I think that Destiny is a little heavier in terms of subject matter than Triumph is.

Unholyalliance said:

I prefer Triumph over Destiny. Generally speaking though, I think that Destiny is a little heavier in terms of subject matter than Triumph is.

Just for this reason alone, I'd have to go with Destiny. But both albums are classics, so you really can't put one against the other.

silverchild said:

Unholyalliance said:

I prefer Triumph over Destiny. Generally speaking though, I think that Destiny is a little heavier in terms of subject matter than Triumph is.

Just for this reason alone, I'd have to go with Destiny. But both albums are classics, so you really can't put one against the other.

Triumpth!

Destiny to me i only care for half the tracks

Triumpth every track is jammin

I could really relate to the subject matter of Destiny and was almost the same age as MJ at the time when I bought it, so it all hit home for me. That's one of the reasons I also chose that album, and his vocals are like butter.

Triumph years>>>>>>>any other jackson years.

DESTINY!!!!!!. The first album that they wrote and produced. It brought them back from obscurity. Triumph is a brilliant album. It was great that they hit 2 out of the park as brothers.When Michael came back after OTW and did Triumph with his brothers it was all but guaranteed to be awesome. Destiny through Thriller was the most significant period of MJ/Jacksons history.

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Count me in the crowd that thinks the Jacksons albums shit all over Off The Wall. Even to this day I truly cant get into it and dont understand the love most people have for it, but Triumph is truly a masterpiece to me. It just has this super fresh sound that never gets old and I wish it was Michaels solo album instead so more people knew about it. As for Destiny vs Triumph I'll still go with Triumph but even Destiny is superior to Off The Wall to me.

Very hard choice since these are my two favorite albums from not just The Jacksons, but Michael Jackson also. MUCH better than "Thriller" or anything that followed it.

Hard choice but I'll go with "Triumph" by just a hair. "Lovely One" did it for me.

SoulAlive said:

to the person who said that Triumph is better than Off The Wall it doesn't even come close!

To me, "Off The Wall" feels more like a Jacksons album rather than a Michael Jackson album. It's sandwiched inbetween "Destiny" and "Triumph" and those three albums right there in a row are my favorite from Michael Jackson's entire career at a time when he was his absolute best. Even though his brothers aren't present on the "Off The Wall" album, it kinda feels like they are because it's just as hot and funky as the two albums it's sandwiched inbetween. Apparently, he must have still been around them at that time on a regular basis and still being influenced by them.

When he made "Thriller" that was much weaker, poppish, and all over the place. You could tell those brothers were gone by then and he was totally on his own and it showed in the music. Then "Victory" came but it was like the opposite. It's more like they were following Michael's lead in a more pop direction rather than throwing down the hard stuff like before. Plus, it sounded forced like they were just releasing something to fulfill their father's and fan's wishes of seeing them together again.

Arnotts said:

Count me in the crowd that thinks the Jacksons albums shit all over Off The Wall. Even to this day I truly cant get into it and dont understand the love most people have for it, but Triumph is truly a masterpiece to me. It just has this super fresh sound that never gets old and I wish it was Michaels solo album instead so more people knew about it. As for Destiny vs Triumph I'll still go with Triumph but even Destiny is superior to Off The Wall to me.

Off The Wall kills any Jacksons album.Everytime Michael had a successful solo album,his brothers tried to top it but they didn't succeed.

***Off The Wall/Triumph

***Thriller/Victory

I've said this before and I'll say it again: After OTW,Michael should have never worked with brothers again.He didn't need them anymore.

SoulAlive said:

Arnotts said:

Count me in the crowd that thinks the Jacksons albums shit all over Off The Wall. Even to this day I truly cant get into it and dont understand the love most people have for it, but Triumph is truly a masterpiece to me. It just has this super fresh sound that never gets old and I wish it was Michaels solo album instead so more people knew about it. As for Destiny vs Triumph I'll still go with Triumph but even Destiny is superior to Off The Wall to me.

Off The Wall kills any Jacksons album.Everytime Michael had a successful solo album,his brothers tried to top it but they didn't succeed.

***Off The Wall/Triumph

***Thriller/Victory

I've said this before and I'll say it again: After OTW,Michael should have never worked with brothers again.He didn't need them anymore.

After "Triumph", I think he should have made another album with his brothers (besides that live one) instead of making "Thriller".

vainandy said:

After "Triumph", I think he should have made another album with his brothers (besides that live one) instead of making "Thriller".

They could have even called it Victory.

Arnotts said:

Count me in the crowd that thinks the Jacksons albums shit all over Off The Wall. Even to this day I truly cant get into it and dont understand the love most people have for it, but Triumph is truly a masterpiece to me. It just has this super fresh sound that never gets old and I wish it was Michaels solo album instead so more people knew about it. As for Destiny vs Triumph I'll still go with Triumph but even Destiny is superior to Off The Wall to me.

Upon first listen to all three of the albums, Off The Wall as a whole took the longest to grow on me though I love it now. I loved Destiny instantly, I liked half of Triumph instantly and the rest grew on me, and OTW was a little slower to digest though I thought it was really well done and worth the praise though it's not in my top 5 mj solo albums

Unholyalliance said:

vainandy said:

After "Triumph", I think he should have made another album with his brothers (besides that live one) instead of making "Thriller".

They could have even called it Victory.

I don't think "Victory" would have sounded like it did if "Thriller" had never occured. That album achieved such pop success that it became the formula that Michael Jackson continued with every album he made afterwards trying to reach that success again. If "Thriller" had never happened, I think they would have made "Victory" a much more funky album.

Destiny, easily.

The momentum of OTW helped to carry Triump whether anbody wants to admit it or not.

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

to the person who said that Triumph is better than Off The Wall it doesn't even come close!

When he made "Thriller" that was much weaker, poppish, and all over the place. You could tell those brothers were gone by then and he was totally on his own and it showed in the music. Then "Victory" came but it was like the opposite. It's more like they were following Michael's lead in a more pop direction rather than throwing down the hard stuff like before. Plus, it sounded forced like they were just releasing something to fulfill their father's and fan's wishes of seeing them together again.

Weaker?? Thriller, no doubt, one of the best albums in pop history. You can love it or hate it, but it's almost perfect album. As for me, I love "Dangerous" is much more than his early work.

Count me in the crowd that thinks the Jacksons albums shit all over Off The Wall. Even to this day I truly cant get into it and dont understand the love most people have for it

I'm afraid to call a general anger, but
Off the wall - a very good album and I like it a lot, but I do not understand this epidemic love most users of this site.
The experts, by the way, also more than 90% of reviews rated this album * * * * *
But on other sites and just among the music lovers, it seems to me that Thriller, Bad and Dangerous - the three most popular albums.

For me, Destiny, Off the Wall and the Triumph - albums around the same quality, but this is not the best albums in the career of MJ, IMO

LiLi1992 said:

vainandy said:

Weaker?? Thriller, no doubt, one of the best albums in pop history. You can love it or hate it, but it's almost perfect album. As for me, I love "Dangerous" is much more than his early work.

Count me in the crowd that thinks the Jacksons albums shit all over Off The Wall. Even to this day I truly cant get into it and dont understand the love most people have for it

I'm afraid to call a general anger, but
Off the wall - a very good album and I like it a lot, but I do not understand this epidemic love most users of this site.
The experts, by the way, also more than 90% of reviews rated this album * * * * *
But on other sites and just among the music lovers, it seems to me that Thriller, Bad and Dangerous - the three most popular albums.

For me, Destiny, Off the Wall and the Triumph - albums around the same quality, but this is not the best albums in the career of MJ, IMO

I doubt this person has ever heard Human Nature..... Off The Wall was a good start but it just got better and better. Bad does have some skippable tracks but he picked it right back up with his masterpiece Dangerous

LiLi1992 said:

Weaker?? Thriller, no doubt, one of the best albums in pop history. You can love it or hate it, but it's almost perfect album. As for me, I love "Dangerous" is much more than his early work.

And that's what's wrong with it. It's pop. Pop is always weaker than straight up R&B/funk.

vainandy said:

LiLi1992 said:

Weaker?? Thriller, no doubt, one of the best albums in pop history. You can love it or hate it, but it's almost perfect album. As for me, I love "Dangerous" is much more than his early work.

And that's what's wrong with it. It's pop. Pop is always weaker than straight up R&B/funk.

It's a mixture. Human Nature is a genius R&B song same with Lady In My Life (though not as good as Human Nature. Billie Jean is a very funky R&B song.

vainandy said:

LiLi1992 said:

Weaker?? Thriller, no doubt, one of the best albums in pop history. You can love it or hate it, but it's almost perfect album. As for me, I love "Dangerous" is much more than his early work.

And that's what's wrong with it. It's pop. Pop is always weaker than straight up R&B/funk.

And all of this together is always weaker than quality rock.

If we do not generalize, then good music - it is good music, regardless of style. The rest - a matter of taste.

Personally, I think that Off the wall, Destiny and Triumph does not have at least one song as good as Billie Jean and Beat it

This thread is already deteriorating.

Timmy84 said:

This thread is already deteriorating.

Well, you can improve it and write a short review about the songs on both albums.

I expressed my opinion about every song in the beginning ...

LiLi1992 said:

Timmy84 said:

This thread is already deteriorating.

Well, you can improve it and write a short review about the songs on both albums.

I expressed my opinion about every song in the beginning ...

lol that ain't the point. I can but it wouldn't be useful because everyone marches to the beat of their own drum and I already had a point on why I may dig Destiny or Triumph. I'm kinda mad though because they should've put this mix of "Walk Right Now" on Triumph: