SoulAlive said:

I get what you're saying but you know what? If Rolling Stone doesn't take disco seriously,they shouldn't nominate disco artists at all! Why even nominate Donna and Chic if they have zero chance of ever getting inducted? It makes me furious.

They can nominate, but you know how voting works. An Independent canditate has very little chance of winning, or even getting media coverage, but they run anyway. Probably, the majority of voters are not disco fans. Also disco didn't last long in the mainstream, unlike rap. It's like the Hall doesn't nominate many prog, light rock, or psychedelic acts either. I used to read Rolling Stone, so I don't expect an act like Air Supply to get in, nor any R&B/soul act that didn't have any crossover success. Rufus never really crossed over, like say The Commodores or Kool & The Gang, and neither did Chaka Khan solo for the most part.

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Nevermind, my dumb ass was reading about the 2011 inductees. Look like they didn't even announce when they would announce it... what?

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GNR, Joan Jett, Donna Summer, Freddie KIng, Erik B & Rakim, The Red Hot Chili Peppers & Beastie Boys, The Cure.

They better go in!

All those artists are so huge & influential even today, and have made some incredible albums, they deserve it for sure.

The strange thing is in their site, they didn't even announce the date of when the inductees were supposed to be revealed. I'm still confused, they still have it as "inductees coming in a few weeks". A year ago, they were quick to announce the date of the 2011 inductees, so why not the 2012 ones? Was it actually wrong? I mean why did it get PULLED so quick if it was/wasn't true or whatever? And why leak it?

I had to get myself re-educated on the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

So the first group of people who are chosen are Performers. Usually those are the ones who are the "chosen ones" so to speak as far as how they see as influential artists.

The second group of people are Early Influences and these are the ones who paved the way for rock and roll, which would make Freddie King's induction strange since he came after rock and roll was already formed but I'm guessing the committee is still on its 1960s-1970s rock love fest.

The third group of people inducted get an award called the Ahmet Ertegun Award and that goes for non-performers, mainly songwriters. It's a possibility that if Wiki is correct, Laura Nyro is getting that one instead of being in the performer's aisle, again a miscalculation on the Rock Hall's part.

The fourth group of people get the Lifetime Achievement Award and if that NY Daily News story was correct, Don Kirshner will get in.

The fifth and final group get the Musical Excellence Award and this is usually sidemen and strangely Tom Dowd is the one picked, if to be believed but did he play an instrument?

Ironically if GNR, Donovan, Beasties and RHCP are already announced and Laura is inducted as a songwriter (if the information was correct and not added because some pissed off rock fan put her there), then who the hell is the fifth inductee in the "performers" group?

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I don't know. I'm gonna leave it alone until the news is formally announced. Looks like New York spoil this one. Thanks a lot.

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Eddie Trunk said he heard from a good source that GNR's in.

Axl had been on his show, and he didn't answer whether or not he'd go. He seemed to enjoy the thought of the band being inducted, but as some of you know, not all band members make it in, even if they recorded with them. If The Cure make it in, does Robert Smith just go up for the award, do the original 3 go up, or all the configurations?

Laura Nyro - Elton John was an advocate for Leon Russell getting in last year, Elton and Elvis Costello had a 10 minute discussion on how she influenced Elton's early songs. She did the "confessional" singer songwriter thing pre-Joni, but she wasn't anti-establishment., she just preferred to keep things low key and interact with the audience. It's not like Alicia Keys, where she wants to play arenas, or Tori Amos, who likes to "rock out" every now and then, but it's not like Kate Bush or Enya, who enjoy creating in the studio here and there.

dalsh327 said:

Eddie Trunk said he heard from a good source that GNR's in.

Axl had been on his show, and he didn't answer whether or not he'd go. He seemed to enjoy the thought of the band being inducted, but as some of you know, not all band members make it in, even if they recorded with them. If The Cure make it in, does Robert Smith just go up for the award, do the original 3 go up, or all the configurations?

Laura Nyro - Elton John was an advocate for Leon Russell getting in last year, Elton and Elvis Costello had a 10 minute discussion on how she influenced Elton's early songs. She did the "confessional" singer songwriter thing pre-Joni, but she wasn't anti-establishment., she just preferred to keep things low key and interact with the audience. It's not like Alicia Keys, where she wants to play arenas, or Tori Amos, who likes to "rock out" every now and then, but it's not like Kate Bush or Enya, who enjoy creating in the studio here and there.

I read Robert was angry their current drummer (who had been with them for 17 years) wasn't included in the Rock Hall's biography so he probably would've been there with ALL of its members. I'm guessing if the Cure was to get in, it'll be the pre-1992 members including Simon Gallup.

Yeah I'm not surprised Elton's pushing for Laura. I remember when the 2011 inductees were leaked and it said that Leon Russell was in as an inductee, it was indicated he was in as a performer but he was in as a sideman.

I guess saying "anti-establishment" was too inaccurate. She was definitely lowkey though.

And I'm still wondering who the hell will show up for GNR... that's gonna be weird.

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dalsh327 said:

Axl had been on his show, and he didn't answer whether or not he'd go. He seemed to enjoy the thought of the band being inducted, but as some of you know, not all band members make it in, even if they recorded with them. If The Cure make it in, does Robert Smith just go up for the award, do the original 3 go up, or all the configurations?

Every member of The Eagles was inducted, and Bobby Massey was inducted with the O'Jays, even though he left the group before it became really successful. Sammy Strain, who was also no longer with The O'Jays, was inducted with them too, but the newest member Eric wasn't. But I don't think the pre-Phil Collins/Steve Hackett members of Genesis were inducted.

Timmy84 said:

dalsh327 said:

Eddie Trunk said he heard from a good source that GNR's in.

Axl had been on his show, and he didn't answer whether or not he'd go. He seemed to enjoy the thought of the band being inducted, but as some of you know, not all band members make it in, even if they recorded with them. If The Cure make it in, does Robert Smith just go up for the award, do the original 3 go up, or all the configurations?

Laura Nyro - Elton John was an advocate for Leon Russell getting in last year, Elton and Elvis Costello had a 10 minute discussion on how she influenced Elton's early songs. She did the "confessional" singer songwriter thing pre-Joni, but she wasn't anti-establishment., she just preferred to keep things low key and interact with the audience. It's not like Alicia Keys, where she wants to play arenas, or Tori Amos, who likes to "rock out" every now and then, but it's not like Kate Bush or Enya, who enjoy creating in the studio here and there.

I read Robert was angry their current drummer (who had been with them for 17 years) wasn't included in the Rock Hall's biography so he probably would've been there with ALL of its members. I'm guessing if the Cure was to get in, it'll be the pre-1992 members including Simon Gallup.

Yeah I'm not surprised Elton's pushing for Laura. I remember when the 2011 inductees were leaked and it said that Leon Russell was in as an inductee, it was indicated he was in as a performer but he was in as a sideman.

I guess saying "anti-establishment" was too inaccurate. She was definitely lowkey though.

And I'm still wondering who the hell will show up for GNR... that's gonna be weird.

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Yeah for the Cure for sure it will be pre 92 members.

GNR I know Slash & Duff maybe Matt would show up........... Axl

Dec 07, 2011

USA TODAY: Beastie Boys among Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees

Members of the musical group The Beastie Boys: Adam Horovitz, left, Adam Yauch, and Mike D.

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By Phil Andelman, NONE

The Beastie Boys, Donovan, Guns N' Roses, the late Laura Nyro, Red Hot Chili Peppers and The Small Faces/The Faces are the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 2012 inductees. The 27th induction ceremony will take place April 14 in Cleveland and premiere on HBO in early May. Tickets go on sale Dec. 16. Late guitarist Freddie King will be honored as an early influence, and the late producer/manager Don Kirshner will receive the Ahmet Ertegun (non-performer) award. Awards for musical excellence will go to engineer/producers Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd and Glyn Johns.

Guns N' Roses, Chili Peppers in Rock Hall

By NEKESA MUMBI MOODY | AP – 1 hr 18 mins ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Welcome to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Guns N' Roses.

The seminal rock band of the late 1980s and early '90s, best known for hits like "Welcome to the Jungle," ''Sweet Child O' Mine" and "November Rain," leads the 2012 class of inductees announced on Wednesday. Also making the cut is the hip-hop trio Beastie Boys; rockers the Red Hot Chili Peppers; the late singer/songwriter Laura Nyro; Donovan; and influential British rock group The Small Faces/The Faces, which included Rod Stewart and Rolling Stones guitarist Ronnie Wood.

Nyro, who wrote such hits the 5th Dimension's "Wedding Bell Blues" and Blood Sweat & Tears' "When I Die," is the only female act to make it this time around. The hall passed on Donna Summer, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Heart and Rufus with Chaka Khan, who were on the ballot for 2012.

But it wasn't just women who were denied entry into the rock hall for next year. Voters also passed on hip-hop pioneers Eric B. & Rakim, War, the Cure and the Spinners.

Guns N' Roses blazed on the rock scene in 1987 with their official debut, "Appetite for Destruction." Fronted by siren-voiced singer Axl Rose, with Slash and Izzy Stradlin on guitars, Duff McKagan on bass and Steven Adler on drums, the group dominated music with its aggressive rock grooves. Early in their career they were criticized for lyrics in the song "One in a Million" deemed as homophobic, misogynistic and racist. They were also defined by their dysfunction, gleefully embodying the mantra of sex, drugs and rock and roll.

The band sold millions and millions of albums, providing a sharp contrast to a pop world defined by the likes of Madonna and Michael Jackson. But the group's turmoil, often on display before the whole world, would cause the core to fall apart by 1996. Their induction should lead to talk once again of a possible reunion, at least for the induction ceremony.

Their trajectory was the opposite of the Chili Peppers. Despite troubles that included the drug-related death of guitarist Hillel Slovak and the departure of guitarist John Frusciante, the band, fronted by Anthony Kiedis, with Flea on bass, drummer Chad Smith and guitarist Josh Klinghoffer, released its 10th album, "I'm With You," this year.

The Beastie Boys (Adam Yauch, Mike Diamond and Adam Horowitz) are among the pioneers of rap. The first white act to make real inroads in the emerging genre, they were known initially for boorish party music, but would develop into a group critically acclaimed for its musicality, experimenting with different soundscapes, even producing an instrumental album.

Both Stewart and Wood will become second-time members of the Rock Hall (Stewart was inducted as a solo artist in 1994 and Wood as part of the Rolling Stones in 1989) for the Small Faces/The Faces, a key rock group that developed as British invasion was peaking. Among their hits was the song "Stay With Me."

"Well it's quite a thrill and honor to make it in the Hall of Fame a second time," Stewart said in a statement. "We (The Faces) were always synonymous with a good party and with this list of fellow artists being inducted I'm looking forward to (it) ... and it's a hell of a good reason to reunite and celebrate with my old mates."

Donovan is best known for trippy hits like "Mellow Yellow."

Guns N' Roses and the Faces were inducted their first time on the ballot. The Chili Peppers had to wait until their second try, and the Beastie Boys and Nyro were denied twice before making it this time around.

Other inductees include Freddie King for early influence; rock promoter Don Kirshner, who died earlier this year, receives the Ahmet Ertegun award; and Tom Dowd, Glyn Johns and Cosimo Matssa will be honored for musical excellence.

The Rock and Roll Hall of fame induction ceremony will be held in Cleveland, where the rock hall is based, on April 14.

SoulAlive said:

Dec 07, 2011

USA TODAY: Beastie Boys among Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees

By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY #post-date-updated

Updated 7h 46m ago

Members of the musical group The Beastie Boys: Adam Horovitz, left, Adam Yauch, and Mike D.

CAPTION

By Phil Andelman, NONE

The Beastie Boys, Donovan, Guns N' Roses, the late Laura Nyro, Red Hot Chili Peppers and The Small Faces/The Faces are the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 2012 inductees. The 27th induction ceremony will take place April 14 in Cleveland and premiere on HBO in early May. Tickets go on sale Dec. 16. Late guitarist Freddie King will be honored as an early influence, and the late producer/manager Don Kirshner will receive the Ahmet Ertegun (non-performer) award. Awards for musical excellence will go to engineer/producers Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd and Glyn Johns.

They inducted six now, since when? As for the Faces/Small Faces... this is just to bring Rod Stewart's ass back. I don't see how Don got the Ahmet Ertegun award. Dude was a ROCK PROMOTER so Lifetime Achievement seemed more fair but again this is the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. They're always known for quirky shit. Still a miscalculation to put Laura in the "performers" category but it is what is and overall? I can't complain of the final list of inductees so congrats to all of them.

Yes,you can complain! You know that Donna should have gotten in.

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

I read Robert was angry their current drummer (who had been with them for 17 years) wasn't included in the Rock Hall's biography so he probably would've been there with ALL of its members. I'm guessing if the Cure was to get in, it'll be the pre-1992 members including Simon Gallup.

Yeah I'm not surprised Elton's pushing for Laura. I remember when the 2011 inductees were leaked and it said that Leon Russell was in as an inductee, it was indicated he was in as a performer but he was in as a sideman.

I guess saying "anti-establishment" was too inaccurate. She was definitely lowkey though.

And I'm still wondering who the hell will show up for GNR... that's gonna be weird.

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Yeah for the Cure for sure it will be pre 92 members.

GNR I know Slash & Duff maybe Matt would show up........... Axl

LOL I'm just curious to how THAT'S gonna be played out. Also, this would probably lit a light under the committee's asses and induct more folks. It was five performers for like three straight years.

Timmy84 said:

It's kinda bittersweet to see the Small Faces/Faces only because Steve Marriott, the founder of the Small Faces, is no more among the living, which sucks. Laura was being campaigned for so damn long and as dalsh said, Elton John was rooting for her to be included. Donovan should've been inducted in 1990 (same with the Small Faces).

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Ronnie Lane also didn't live to see himself inducted.

datdude said:

GNR don't deserve it to me. their body of work is to small. sure Appetite was huge and UYI (I & II) sold well, but too few albums and long hiatuses.

Eh, if the Sex Pistols got in on the stength of one album then I don't see why Guns 'n Roses should be excluded for having too small of a body of work.

Reasons why Donna Summer deserves to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

***Groundbreaking music---With producers Girogio Moroder and Pete Bellotte,Donna went far beyond standard disco music.Many of her songs were experimental and combined different genres.Her influential 1977 hit "I Feel Love" basically started the techno/electro movement that became so popular in the 80s and beyond.She recorded the only listenable version of "MacArthur Park".Her 1979 hit "Hot Stuff" was the most effective blend of rock and disco.Her 1975 debut single "Love To Love You Baby" is one of the sexiest,most-talked about records of all-time,with its 17-minute running length.These songs and others basically defined the disco era.Madonna gets alot of credit for her late-90s electronica phase,but Donna was doing that style of music in the late 70s (listen to the last three songs on 'Bad Girls').

***Major success with several albums---Donna is probably the only artist who ever released four double albums back-to-back: 1977's 'Once Upon A Time',1978's 'Live And More',1979's 'Bad Girls' and 'On The Radio'.The latter three reached Number One on the charts and sold millions.In other words,this lady ruled the late 70s.I notice that there are several artists in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame who had maybe one or two big albums.Donna had several.One of her hit songs from this period,"Last Dance",even won an Oscar (it was featured in the disco flick 'Thank God It's Friday',in which Donna also appeared).

***Continued success after disco---In the 80s,Donna continued to thrive and have hit singles.Songs like 1980s' "The Wanderer" (a New Wave/rock-flavored track),1982's "Love Is In Control" (a funky R&B track produced by Quincy Jones),1983's "She Works Hard For The Money" (which is practially an anthem for working women everywhere) and 1989's comeback smash "This Time I Know It's For Real" proved that Donna was so much than just a disco diva.Anyone who dismisses Donna as just another "disco act" apparently wasn't paying attention to her career in the 80s.

***Influence---Madonna,Janet Jackson,Jody Watley and so many other dance music divas owe alot to Donna Summer.She paved the way for those ladies.Even Beyonce sampled one of her tunes.Hell,Donna even inspired Diana Ross and Barbara Streisand to "go disco" in the 70s.Ross' 1976 smash "Love Hangover" was obviously inspired by "Love To Love You Baby".

Has it even been 25 years for GNR and RHCP? I lost count....

Will Asshole Rose even show up?

When is that Donna Summer cover from? I thought it was hard for black artists to get on Rolling Stone before the early 80's....

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alphastreet said:

When is that Donna Summer cover from? I thought it was hard for black artists to get on Rolling Stone before the early 80's....

That cover is from 1978 which brings up another interesting point.In her heyday,she was having major crossover 'pop success and getting alot of acclaim from rock critics too....long before the "crossover 80s".

The Small Faces - awesome. I love these guys.

Too bad about Donna and Chaka, but I know their day will come.

SoulAlive said:

alphastreet said:

When is that Donna Summer cover from? I thought it was hard for black artists to get on Rolling Stone before the early 80's....

That cover is from 1978 which brings up another interesting point.In her heyday,she was having major crossover 'pop success and getting alot of acclaim from rock critics too....long before the "crossover 80s".

Yeah, I've heard that about Right Stuff through documentaries in the past. But then what's the deal with them not putting MJ on Rolling Stone (I'm not counting the j5 days) until they had to fight for it during Thriller? Or is this a "myth" just like MTV....

Im glad but surprised that the Beasties got in seeing how most people only know them for like 2 songs.

Doesn't surprise me. How can The Bestie Boys get inducted before Chaka Khan, the Spinners & Donna Summer???

There should be a rule: to be nominated,you need to have an entire body of work.Not just one or two big albums!

SoulAlive said:

There should be a rule: to be nominated,you need to have an entire body of work.Not just one or two big albums!

I disagree completely. One amazing album is worth much more than twenty mediocre albums.

rialb said:

SoulAlive said:

There should be a rule: to be nominated,you need to have an entire body of work.Not just one or two big albums!

I disagree completely. One amazing album is worth much more than twenty mediocre albums.

What makes an amazing or mediocre album is in the ear of the beholder. There are some who think Lady Ga Ga has recorded amazing albums. I completely disagree.

rialb said:

SoulAlive said:

There should be a rule: to be nominated,you need to have an entire body of work.Not just one or two big albums!

I disagree completely. One amazing album is worth much more than twenty mediocre albums.

If this is bout the BB then I have to disagree. They have had an amazing run of great discs. They just arent the commercial success they should be.

kitbradley said:

rialb said:

I disagree completely. One amazing album is worth much more than twenty mediocre albums.

What makes an amazing or mediocre album is in the ear of the beholder. There are some who think Lady Ga Ga has recorded amazing albums. I completely disagree.

But that doesn't really change the point that I was trying to make. If an artist has a small body of work that is of high quality isn't that better than someone else that has a huge body of work that is generally mediocre?

Jimi Hendrix only released three finished studio albums during his lifetime. Does that mean he should be disqualified due to only having a small body of work? The same thing could be applied to Buddy Holly. For me the quality of the work trumps quantity.

SoulAlive said:

There should be a rule: to be nominated,you need to have an entire body of work.Not just one or two big albums!

Like I mentioned before, success or non-success is not that big of a criteria for nominations, it's if Jann Wenner and his gang likes your music or not (and if they think you have an influence), and Rolling Stone has never really been that big on dance music. They're more fond of 60's & 70's guitar rock (or acts with "deep" lyrics like Bob Dylan) because that is the era Wenner grew up in. Look at the best lists they've been putting out since the 1980's.

Wow. Slam dunk for GNR! Awesome. Looking so foward to whenever the ceremony is. I hope they all get their head out of their asses and don't pull a Van Halen.